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Title: The libertarian platforn vis a vis ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
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URL Source: http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration
Published: Jan 29, 2015
Author: LP Party Platform
Post Date: 2015-01-29 17:04:05 by Vinny
Keywords: None
Views: 23706
Comments: 61
www.lp.org/issues/immigration Low-skilled immigrants cross the Mexican border illegally or overstay their visas for a simple reason: There are jobs waiting here for them to fill, especially in Texas and other, faster growing states. Each year our economy creates hundreds of thousands of net new jobs — in such sectors as retail, cleaning, food preparation, construction and tourism — that require only short-term, on-the-job training. At the same time, the supply of Americans who have traditionally filled many of those jobs — those without a high school diploma — continues to shrink. Their numbers have declined by 4.6 million in the past decade, as the typical American worker becomes older and better educated. Yet our system offers no legal channel for anywhere near a sufficient number of peaceful, hardworking immigrants to legally enter the United States even temporarily to fill this growing gap. The predictable result is illegal immigration. In response, we can spend billions more to beef up border patrols. We can erect hundreds of miles of ugly fence slicing through private property along the Rio Grande. We can raid more discount stores and chicken-processing plants from coast to coast. We can require all Americans to carry a national ID card and seek approval from a government computer before starting a new job. Or we can change our immigration law to more closely conform to how millions of normal people actually live. Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals. As the people of Texas know well, the large majority of illegal immigrants are not bad people. They are people who value family, faith and hard work trying to live within a bad system.
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#22. To: tpaine (#15)
Let them laugh. I'm not important... never claimed to be. I'm a middle income, retired 49 year old civilian. I'm not important enough to decide what grey constitutional area is constitutional or not. I'm only important enough to know I won't let you decide what laws I should abide.
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
I allied myself with...The Truth. Even Broken Clock "allies." Is THIS an official LP platform position? OR one individual's personal opinion? Because it sure doesn't sound "Constitutuional":
Ending welfare? Utopian much? Why not have your...err...leadership give it a test run in say East Los Angeles or Ferguson, MO?
People here are laughing out loud at you, pretending to be important yourself. Your initial comment to me, above, was an obvious superiority remark. Man up to it. I'm giving you my opinion about not so grey areas that you should support, as per your oath to honor the document. -- It's your duty, regardless if you think you're un-important. Yep, you should let the Constitution decide. Pity you can't understand it.
#16. Isn't it ironic that Obama, and every other leftist, holds the exact same position on illegals?
Shouldn't and can't welfare be whiddled down to pre-"Great Society" 1965 percentage levels? Why must ending the rife welfare state be a pipe dream instead of a goal?
I'd love to snap my fingers and make generational welfare vanish, but nothing short of an economic collapse will make that happen. Politics won't allow it. When the Ds talk about getting out the vote, these folks are their prime voting block.
You've allied yourself with the anti-libertarian loonies? For shame. Your allies are bashing ALL libertarians not just the Libertarian Party. I don't care, as I've never been a member of that Party. I agree with the principles outlined in the article I posted from the Cato Institute.
And DCW is wrong anyway. When California voters passed Proposition 187 to reduce welfare and other benefits being given away to illegal aliens, the California Libertarian Party opposed the measure. How dare the state require government IDs to get welfare, subsidized housing, and free medical care, they spluttered.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Sad but true. I just checked out this essay by the author. I'm not sure if this nonsense is just his opinion, or the official Libertarian Party position. More from his essay (it gets scarier): HUH?? Comparing the Illegal Invasion to...the Prohibition Days?? Baaad analogy. Again, the LP author fails miserably. "Illegal squatters"? On whose land or were they "squatting? Prarie dogs? Buffalos? And whose jobs and from whose public trough were they stealing? The 1800s was a period when American was still expanding and growing, the "extralegals" helped developed and settle a new nation. They did NOT steal and covet thy neighbor's land and goods. The Libertarian official site endorses such an author? Yes, he might even be qualified to work as 0buma's "Immigration Czar."
Those analogies are absurd. Their position on illegals is nothing short of Obama open border anarchy; the worst effects are yet to be seen. If I were in a room with a libertarian, given this position, I'd get up and leave.
I don't speak for anyone but myself. On the issue of the Illegal Invasion, a Libertarian posting from the official Libertarian Party website is...PRO-ILLEGAL INVASION. Did you even read this Libertarian author's essay, obvious endorsed by the official Libertarian Party site? He's a statist who is crapping all over the constitution, engaging is American revisionismy, and slandering and maligning the American settlers and who developed America. The guy is an enemy of the US and spirit of the US Constitution. I've never been a member of that [Libertarian] Party. I agree with the principles outlined in the article I posted from the Cato Institute. Well then -- I'm critical of the LP's "guest" author and opinion, so you shouldn't take my criticism as an indictment of all libertariam positions. Btw, you should be as disturbed as I am over this.
Because the people who vote for someone else's money outnumber those who dont. They vote D and R. It's called having principles, not popular in America in this day and age. Next question?
When it comes to trade and immigration America's ruling oligarchy is libertarian. We need nationalism that puts America and Americans first.
If politicians won't severly and dramatically curtail the ever growing cavones feeding at the public trough (which now includes a good 20 million Mexicans and Third World flotsam), then we don't have a Republic, do we? We have a pure democracy by majority, and tyranny by the few. Yes, the current system is rigged to go down. Any day, week, or year. And here we are burdened and stuck with a flood of parasites who demand FREE STUFF. Just as the Globalist R/D pols planned it.
Or have the ruling class oligarchs set the table for an inevitable societal chaos & anarchy so that they can suspend/dump the entire pesky constituion/Bill of Rights thingy? Late in the game, but yep, we'd desperately needed an America-First nationaism (and real President) we haven't seen since Reagan handed over the reigns to Poppy "New World Order" Arbusto. Marking the End Game was the "Mission Accomplished" of 9/11.
Exactly, that's why libertarianism is the stuff of Timothy Leary.
Absurd and insane and delusional revisionism. So are we to conclude that now even the LP is sold out/hijacked, along with the Dems and Pubbies? Who or what's left to represent us? (rhetorical)
yep
In the end many of those with a lifetime of sound judgement will roll off the rails.
I've never been a member of that [Libertarian] Party. I agree with the principles outlined in the article I posted from the Cato Institute. You're agreeing with die hard anti-constitutionalists and anti-libertarians who know the big L party are a fringe group. -- They're really after our republican form of govt. Over some fringe group of so-called libertarians? Nope, I'm disturbed by all the socialists, here and everywhere.
If instead we, as a nation changed our culture - and most importantly our tax laws - to one that focused all incentives and benefits toward the owners of AMERICAN companies who employ AMERICANS...there would be no problem with immigration, illegal or otherwise... Putting working class Americans first - is the only way to reestablish America as the greatest nation on the planet. Agree?
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
You bet. Me mum (Mrs Roscoe Palmdale) loves getting her SS check too. She paid in for 50 years, and its only fair she gets a return on her investment. Fess up Palmey, I'd bet you and/or yours get one too? There are no replies to Comment # 13. (By the chickenshit known as palmdale)
Wasn't Palmdale also known (at one time) as "Whitesands?" So many monickers ... so little time.
The summation of this lyrical tear-dripping poetic argument on the level of hard concrete reality is:
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Good evening, sock puppet.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Could be. Our big mouth, no balls champion has had a LOT of names. I first started sparing with him when he was 'roscoe' at FR. --- He's still a featherweight in the ring, devoted to petty lies and silly wordplay. Fun to embarrass though, as he usually hides as a bozo.
To a degree. Personally I'd lock down the borders, toss out all the illegals in our prison system (for a start) and any libertarian who sides with these bandidos.
Well put.
Well, hey there ... trailer lady.
To the exclusion of the D&R political party, correct?
To the exclusion of the D&R political party, correct? --Pridie.Nones Vinny has a great idea, we could deport half of the democrats in the country...
Just the Democrats? What about their POM-POM girls called the Republicans?
Them too Buck
As in Buckeroo Buck?
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
I never connected the dots on that one. I thought there was something eerily familiar about that poster's mindset but forgot about Whiesands. That explains a lot.
LTNS, sir. Welcome back to the Inet.
WhiteSands can't spell either. It ain't him.
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People here are laughing out loud at you, pretending to be important yourself.
#23. To: tpaine (#21)
You've allied yourself with the anti-libertarian loonies? For shame.
"Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals. As the people of Texas know well, the large majority of illegal immigrants are not bad people. They are people who value family, faith and hard work trying to live within a bad system."
#24. To: Dead Culture Watch (#17)
None of the canaries will mention that the platform of the Libertarian party about Immigration is dependent on ending welfare.
#25. To: GrandIsland, Y'ALL (#22)
I'll trust people a little more important than you. lol
Let them laugh. --- I'm not important... never claimed to be.
I'm a middle income, retired 49 year old civilian. --- I'm not important enough to decide what grey constitutional area is constitutional or not.
I'm only important enough to know I won't let you decide what laws I should abide.
#26. To: Liberator (#16)
#27. To: Vinny, Dead Culture Watch (#24)
Ending welfare? Utopian much?
#28. To: Liberator (#27)
#29. To: Liberator (#23)
I allied myself with...The Truth. Even Broken Clock "allies."
Is THIS an official LP platform position? OR one individual's personal opinion? Because it sure doesn't sound "Constitutuional": --- "Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals. As the people of Texas know well, the large majority of illegal immigrants are not bad people. They are people who value family, faith and hard work trying to live within a bad system."
#30. To: Vinny (#24)
Ending welfare? Utopian much?
#31. To: Vinny (#26)
#16. Isn't it ironic that Obama, and every other leftist, holds the exact same position on illegals?
"Immigration is not the only area of American life where a misguided law has collided with reality. In the 1920s and '30s, Prohibition turned millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans into lawbreakers and spawned an underworld of moon-shining, boot-legging and related criminal activity. (Sound familiar?) We eventually made the right choice to tax and regulate alcohol rather than prohibit it.
"In the 19th century, America's frontier was settled largely by illegal squatters. In his influential book on property rights, The Mystery of Capital, economist Hernando de Soto describes how these so-called extralegals began to farm, mine and otherwise improve land to which they did not have strict legal title...."
#32. To: Liberator (#31)
#33. To: tpaine (#29)
Your allies are bashing ALL libertarians not just the Libertarian Party.
#34. To: Vinny (#24)
(Edited)
Why not have your...err...leadership give it a test run in say East Los Angeles or Ferguson, MO?
#35. To: Liberator (#33)
On the issue of the Illegal Invasion, a Libertarian posting from the official Libertarian Party website is...PRO-ILLEGAL INVASION.
#36. To: Vinny (#28)
Nothing short of an economic collapse will make that [end of welfare] happen. Politics won't allow it.
#37. To: nativist nationalist (#35)
When it comes to trade and immigration America's ruling oligarchy is libertarian. We need nationalism that puts America and Americans first.
#38. To: Dead Culture Watch (#34)
Because the people who vote for someone else's money outnumber those who dont.
#39. To: Vinny (#32)
#40. To: Liberator (#36)
Yes, the current system is rigged to go down. Any day, week, or year. And here we are burdened and stuck with a flood of parasites who demand FREE STUFF. Just as the Globalist R/D pols planned it.
#41. To: Liberator (#39)
Who or what's left to represent us? (rhetorical)
#42. To: Liberator, Y'ALL and (#33)
Well then -- I'm critical of the LP's "guest" author and opinion, so you shouldn't take my criticism as an indictment of all libertariam positions.
Btw, you should be as disturbed as I am over this.
#43. To: Vinny (#0)
Low-skilled immigrants cross the Mexican border illegally or overstay their visas for a simple reason: There are jobs waiting here for them to fill, especially in Texas and other, faster growing states. Each year our economy creates hundreds of thousands of net new jobs — in such sectors as retail, cleaning, food preparation, construction and tourism — that require only short-term, on-the-job training.
#44. To: palmdale, - all mouth, - no reply. (#13)
Well, almost anything. One of 'em here on LF loves his monthly federal entitlement check and the enforcement of the taxes that pay for it.
#45. To: tpaine, Palmdale (#44)
#46. To: Vinny (#0)
Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals. As the people of Texas know well, the large majority of illegal immigrants are not bad people. They are people who value family, faith and hard work trying to live within a bad system.
Viva reconquista! Viva La Raza! Viva uninhibited invasion by genetic primitives!
#47. To: rlk (#46)
#48. To: Pridie.Nones (#45)
#49. To: Pridie.Nones (#45)
Wasn't Palmdale also known (at one time) as "Whitesands?" So many monickers ... so little time.
#50. To: Jameson (#43)
Putting working class Americans first - is the only way to reestablish America as the greatest nation on the planet. Agree?
#51. To: rlk (#46)
Viva reconquista! Viva La Raza! Viva uninhibited invasion by genetic primitives!
#52. To: Palmdale, roscoe, whitesands, etceteros (#48)
#53. To: Vinny (#50)
.... and any libertarian who sides with these bandidos.
#54. To: Pridie.Nones, vinny, the great deporter (#53)
-- personally I'd lock down the borders, toss out all the illegals in our prison system (for a start) and any libertarian who sides with these bandidos.--- vinny
#55. To: tpaine, Vinny (#54)
#56. To: Pridie.Nones (#55)
#57. To: Vinny (#56)
Buck
#58. To: Pridie.Nones (#45)
Wasn't Palmdale also known (at one time) as "Whitesands?"
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#59. To: Vinny (#56)
#60. To: Deckard (#58)
...but forgot about Whiesands.
#61. To: Deckard (#58)
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