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Title: Only Police Should Have...Body Armor? (Why not ban strong locks on doors, while we're at it?)
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Reason
URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/22/only-police-should-havebody-armor
Published: Jan 22, 2015
Author: J.D. Tuccille
Post Date: 2015-01-22 20:04:14 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 20832
Comments: 72
Venturing down a line of legislative reasoning that apparently sees threats to the republic in convenience store clerks, security guards, globe-trotting journalists, and shopkeepers nervy enough to do business in troubled neighborhoods, Rep. Mike Honda (D-YouGottaBeKiddingMe) offers up HR 378, The Responsible Body Armor Possession Act. Yes, it is in fact a bill intended to limit people's ability to own gear that reduces injuries and death caused by bullets. While the text of the bill isn't yet available, it looks like a rehash of legislation introduced last year that would ban "body armor, including a helmet or shield, the ballistic resistance of which meets or exceeds the ballistic performance of Type III armor, determined using National Institute of Justice Standard-0101.06." In his press release, Rep. Honda insists: This bill allows law enforcement to respond to active shooting situations more effectively. The bill prohibits the purchase, sale, or possession of military-grade body armor by anyone except certain authorized users, such as first-responders and law enforcement. Uh huh. Police could also more effectively respond to all sorts of situations if they didn't have to fiddle with pesky locks or barred windows. And don't even get started on reinforced door frames and masonry walls. Do you really need a brick house? Isn't it easier for law enforcement to blow a barrier down if honest people use straw? Now, Type III armor isn't standard stuff, nor is it cheap. Designed to stop rifle rounds, it carries a pretty price tag and is cumbersome as hell. But police locks, alarm systems, and related security equipment are pricey and cumbersome, too. When I lived in New York City's East Village in the '90s, I could pretty much smoke a cigarette in the hall while waiting for some of my friends to unlock their apartment doors. But if you perceive some danger in your environment, you just might want some protection. Even if that protection incidentally makes it more difficult for police officers to kill you if they feel the need. And whatever the motivation of the user, this stuff is defensive. The only way to hurt another person with body armor is to take it off and beat them with it. Of course, Rep. Honda isn't satisfied with restricting body armor; he also want to ban gun components kits and require guns made on 3D printers, CNC machines and the like to have serial numbers. You didn't think he liked armed civilians better than he liked them armored did you? The serial number bill has the singular characteristic of being completely unenforceable, targeting, as it does, DIY efforts increasingly intended to be beyond government's grasp. None of these bills are likely to fare well in the new Republican-controlled House. Rep. Honda is posturing by introducing legislation intended to thrill his base by showing that he's "Continuing his promotion of the modern progressive agenda" (in his own words). But what does it say about him and his perception of his supporters that he sees advantage in banning stuff meant to protect people from harm? Just wait until he gets around to smoke alarms.
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#32. To: Gatlin (#28)
As surely as a dog returns to its vomit.
Attaboy! Right out of the disinformation handbook. When will you understand just how ignorant that makes you appear? Anyways, you are so full of crap it's coming out your ears. CT freaks always start with the conclusion that “da gubmint did it” The default position of ANY thinking American should be - the MSM and the government are lying until proved otherwise. Anyone who automatically believes the government is honest is asleep, NOT paying attention or has an extremely poor grasp of history.
I guess I could never really say CT freaks are stupid….some do hold PhD’s. But I can say they lack the ability to think logically and rationally. They allow themselves to get into the CT mind trap of endless circular arguments over completely irrelevant minutia.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Anything you say after that is meaningless gibberish. "The problem with the conspiracy theory label is that it is overly broad in its condemnation of speculation about political intrigue. The label provides no basis for distinguishing groundless smears from reasonable suspicions warranting investigation. History has shown all too clearly that public trust in high officials is sometimes misplaced." Lance deHaven-Smith. "Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government." American Behavioral Scientist (February 2010) How To Spot A Disinformation Agent “Information warfare” is being waged throughout the cybersphere. Whether they are CENTCOM disinfo government employees or ill-informed know-it-alls, there has been an ugly battle raging on the Internet for the minds of the public. As any 9/11 truth activist who uses the web regularly can tell you, truth obfuscaters are crawling around message boards like locusts, referring to 9/11 truthers as “fringe nutcases,” “ridiculous,” “…f**king conspiracy theorists” and the like, while simultaneously hijacking rational discussions by planting bogus information. And no, jet fuel fires can not melt steel. Naturally, it is not just information about what really happened on 9/11 that is under attack, the infowar is evident in relation to other topics that governments have a vested interest in lying about, such as chemtrails, mercury in vaccines leading to autism, AIDS/HIV being man-made, “man-made global warming” and the health effects of fluoride and depleted uranium (DU). The disinfo artists who work on the Internet, referred to as “trolls,” use a number of tried and tested means to mislead those who are trying to learn the truth about controversial issues, while attempting to make those disseminating the truth feel reluctant to continue. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress The Truth -The Rules of Disinformation by H. Micheal Sweeney covers their methods in some detail. Their dirty work does have some positive spin-offs for those who care about the truth however. For one thing, if they argue incessantly about a particular topic, they are waving a flag and telling you indirectly that this is an issue you should be particularly concerned about. And secondly, when they quarrel about a little-known area, they are often helping those they engage with gain more knowledge. Not because of the misleading information they post, but because arguing with them can lead people to do far more research than they would have done otherwise. Short YouTube Clip about Disinformation Agents **** So Gatlin, you are actually performing a service to the site by displaying your utter ignorance and your refusal to consider any facts that are not fed to you by the Pronouncers of Acceptable Opinion. Ridicule of Conspiracy Theories Focuses On Diffusing Criticism of the Powerful ***** Your entire baseless argument can be summed up here : There are No Conspiracies Because Daddy Will Always Protect Us **** When are going to grow up?
Kinda like when they voted them into office to stop Obolos illegal amnesty, defund OboloCare and balance the budget? And they turned right around and passed the Cromnibus Bill and took impeachment off the table. OH YEA, THE REPUBLICANS ARE GONNA SAVE US, THE REPUBLICANS ARE GONNA SAVE US, THE REPUBLICANS ARE GONNA SAVE US!!!!!!!! BTW, one of them already admitted to voting for a Democrat so there you go.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Having gray hair does not by any means indicate I am fading away. You young whipper snappers have to realize that us older folks can still be young at heart despite the ravaged body. We still see the world through young eyes, it is only the bones and sinew that doesn't come to out party. We are not bothered with what you young'uns think because we know that old attitudes are the worse enemies of the young since we see things as they really are. Listen to us old folks an....we will keep you straight.
Howdy, Gat Let's see how long this "Liberty" page allows me a voice without being "suspended" or banned.
More like last year when they rejected Honda's same idea. Pesky old facts.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
You poor dear! Were you previously traumatized by authoritarian Jack Booted Thugs?
Hell, I'm not traumatized by anything. I'm 49 and retired. Are you part of the 6% of America that claim the cops harass them... even though you do nothing wrong? lol
Let's see how long this "Liberty" page allows me a voice without being "suspended" or banned. Ya know....I kept thinking you would show up. I'm glad you did.
I'm glad you did. Private message me your email. I'll catch you up to date.
Jack-booted thugs are rarely accosted by other jack-booted thugs.
You could not be an asshole like you were at the other site. Yeah, I know - that's impossible.
I didn't live in a paranoid police state from birth until 29.... or from 49 years old to today's date... my civilian years. Only you must wear a diaper for fear you'll crap your pants, Infowarrior
I think he's ashamed of his old handle.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Yeah, I know - that's impossible. I'm betting the hipocracy here will have me banned for no reason at all. Im willing to bet that EVEN IF I DON'T call names, cussed and acted as poorly, like you do often and did on this post, above, I'll still get banned and you'll still be free to post conspiracy theories about Goldi being knocked off by GW. The Ron Paul cult needs your kind. lol
As he should be. The garbage he tries to get others to buy into... just so they hate cops just a little more. Like Paris was a false flag. Haaaaaaaa Btw... I have a 10 post a day limit.
Paranoid much?
I think he's ashamed of his old handle. He needs to go back to using Infowarrior, the name he uses now does not fit him.
Hi, Fred.
ROFLMAO.....PRICELESS...
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
Paranoia is not tangible. The fact that the only article I've posted has disappeared is very tangible. lol My Cop Block train wreck, Dustin McCaskell article has remarkably disappeared, after I pointed out Infowarrior/Deckart hipocracy. It must be a conspiracy.... maybe a false flag. LMAO
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
Fred is harmless. He is one of the nice ones here. When you get to know his sense of humor, you probably will find that you like him....as I do.
I put this article back for Grand Island. I see nothing wrong with it. He mentioned his article was deleted. If i'm missing something let me know. A K A Stone posted on 2015-01-24 10:39:40 ET I don't know why it was pulled in the first place either.
Thank you, site owner. You have my word that I will stay within your rules. Give me a fair chance at voicing my opinion. I can only hope your moderators don't ban or suspend me... and I would appreciate you watching my conduct so you can give me the ability to post more than 5 posts in a 24 hour period, after you have determined I'm not disruptive. Thank you, GI
Every society gets the kind of criminal it deserves. What is equally true is that every community gets the kind of law enforcement it insists on. Robert Kennedy
You have my word that I will stay within your rules. Give me a fair chance at voicing my opinion. I can only hope your moderators don't ban or suspend me... and I would appreciate you watching my conduct so you can give me the ability to post more than 5 posts in a 24 hour period, after you have determined I'm not disruptive. Thank you, GI There have been a goodly number of copy and paste one-sided anti-cop articles continually posted here … followed by snarky unsubstantiated comments blasting all cops. Your comments on those articles and posts will now bring a fair and balance measure from your many years of real practical experiences and training … something that is needed to combat flagrant bias.
The Gray State article is gone, deleted. About 30 posts that people took the trouble to research and write, just disappeared. You will believe the official government conspiracy theory, or face the wrath of the mods! Gatlin was the original poster of that Gray State thread.
I think I saw it. I think the [Lock Thread] option is better than deleting an entire thread. At least posters and lurkers can see the who, what and why - rather than blind speculation as to what happened.
Including the link to the wretched full length Gray State movie? The one that looked like a poor quality home movie shot on a cell phone? Too bad. The CTs were taking a horrific beating on that thread.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Challenge! Prove it.
I was there.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
Watch the steaming pile of Gray State yourself.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
I can't see hondo's post, but I see your quote. I posted the thread in order to give the complete story after someone posted a biased and misleading comment about the incident on another thread. I agree with your "Lock Thread" comment. BTW, please capitalize "Gatlin" only in the comments of an article I have posted so I can see that you are addressing me and not the author or just making a general comment. Thank you.
Mods are part of the conspiracy, yada, yad, yada. The usual.
"The biggest mistake that libertarians make is the way they view government and private sectors. Government is the root of all evil, and the private sector is the source of all good. Libertarians have never figured out that people are the same whether in the government or in the private sector." --Paul Craig Roberts
He listed "Alex Jones" and "Infowars" as two of the keywords in his "Keyword Search" block. So what, someone may ask ... Alex Jones and his people are deadly serious, and they're influencing very deranged people. You need look no further than Deckard/Infowarrior to see this.
Mods are part of the conspiracy, yada, yad, yada. The usual. Nah, I have him on bozo ... just like I did when he posted as Booshbot666 over at LP. I just don't need access to worthless information.
mmm...mmm...mmm...how brave are you talkin your bad boy Shiite from behind your mama's skirts...I'll try not to type too loud, or use bold capital letters, wouldn't want yo mama, the bozo, after me either...lol
("We sing about God because we believe in Him. We are not trying to offend anybody, but the evidence that we have seen of Him in our small little lives trumps your opinion about whether or not He exists". ~ Jeff Foxworthy)
mmm...mmm...mmm...how brave are you talkin your bad boy Shiite from behind your mama's skirts...I'll try not to type too loud, or use bold capital letters, wouldn't want yo mama, the bozo, after me either...lol Nah, I don't think I will place you on bozo. I find your posts as the "village idiot" quite amusing. ***Snicker***
When someone presents a well-reasoned counter argument to their bogus claim, they do not have the ability to comprehend the logical reasoning and immediately get defensive….often times by moving the goal-posts or changing the subject. If that fails, they resort to name calling.
#33. To: Gatlin (#31)
CT freaks
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#34. To: Deckard (#30)
#35. To: Deckard (#33)
Anyone who automatically believes the government is honest is asleep, NOT paying attention or has an extremely poor grasp of history.
#36. To: Gatlin (#34)
CT freaks
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#37. To: Deckard (#22)
#38. To: Deckard (#36)
When are going to grow up?
#39. To: Gatlin (#38)
#40. To: CZ82 (#37)
Kinda like when they voted them into office to stop Obolos illegal amnesty, defund OboloCare and balance the budget?
#41. To: GrandIsland, Canary Boyz (#39)
Let's see how long this "Liberty" page allows me a voice without being "suspended" or banned.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#42. To: hondo68 (#41)
You poor dear! Were you previously traumatized by authoritarian Jack Booted Thugs?
#43. To: GrandIsland (#39)
Howdy, Gat
#44. To: Gatlin (#43)
Ya know....I kept thinking you would show up.
#45. To: hondo68, GrandIsland (#41)
Were you previously traumatized by authoritarian Jack Booted Thugs?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#46. To: GrandIsland (#39)
Let's see how long this "Liberty" page allows me a voice without being "suspended" or banned
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#47. To: Deckard (#45)
Jack-booted thugs are rarely accosted by other jack-booted thugs.
#48. To: GrandIsland (#47)
Infowarrior
#49. To: Deckard (#46)
You could not be an asshole like you were at the other site.
#50. To: Palmdale (#48)
I think he's ashamed of his old handle.
#51. To: GrandIsland (#39)
Let's see how long this "Liberty" page allows me a voice without being "suspended" or banned.
#52. To: Palmdale, GrandIsland, Deckard (#48)
Infowarrior
#53. To: Fred Mertz (#51)
#54. To: Gatlin, Fred Mertz (#52)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#55. To: hondo68 (#54)
#56. To: Fred Mertz, Gatlin, Palmdale (#51)
Paranoid much?
#57. To: GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#56)
#58. To: GrandIsland (#56)
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#59. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#58)
(Edited)
#60. To: GrandIsland, Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#59)
(Edited)
Thank you, site owner.
#61. To: Fred Mertz, Deckard, censorship (#58)
I don't know why it was pulled in the first place either.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#62. To: hondo68, A K A Stone, Devil Anse, GATLIN (#61)
Gatlin was the original poster of that Gray State thread.
#63. To: hondo68 (#61)
The Gray State article is gone, deleted. About 30 posts that people took the trouble to research and write, just disappeared.
#64. To: Palmdale (#63)
The CTs were taking a horrific beating on that thread.
#65. To: Fred Mertz (#64)
Prove it.
#66. To: Fred Mertz (#64)
#67. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, Devil Anse, (#62)
#68. To: Gatlin (#67)
I can't see hondo's post
#69. To: Palmdale, Fred Mertz, Deckard (#66)
Watch the steaming pile of Gray State yourself.
#70. To: Palmdale (#68)
I can't see hondo's post
#71. To: Gatlin, Palmdale, hondo68 (#70)
(Edited)
I have him on bozo ... just like I did when he posted as Booshbot666 over at LP.
#72. To: Murron (#71)
I have him on bozo ... just like I did when he posted as Booshbot666 over at LP.
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