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Title: The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism
Source: washingtonsblog
URL Source: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014 ... amentalists-just-muslisms.html
Published: Aug 26, 2014
Author: washingtonsblog
Post Date: 2015-01-20 15:49:51 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 25308
Comments: 78

While the Koran Calls for Violence, The Bible Is Even Worse … Calling for Genocide

Christians and Jews rightly point out that the Koran is a violent text which calls on Muslims to attack “unbelievers”.

But they fail to see that the Bible is at least as violent.

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#1. To: Gatlin, Y'ALL (#0)

Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism, just as most Christians condemn terrorism by fundamentalist Christians and most Jews condemn terrorism by fundamentalist Jews.

As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck – who served as the United States Army’s Assistant Chief Psychiatry and Neurology Consultant to the Surgeon General of the Army, and held the rank of Lieutenant Colonel – explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development.

Indeed, a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion is much more similar to a Muslim – or Jewish, Hindu or Buddhist – fundamentalist who kills others in the name of his religion than to a Christian who peacefully fights for justice and truth, helps the poor, or serves to bring hope to the downtrodden.

Postscript: Sadly, the U.S. and our allies are making matters worse by backing the most barbaric, crazed, fundamentalist Muslims … and overthrowing the moderate Arabs.

"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"

Doesn't gatlin find that debatable?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   17:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tpaine (#1)

Indeed, a Christian fundamentalist who kills others in the name of religion

Care to give us a few thousand examples of Christians killing for Christ? I can think of none.

Putting Born Again Christians in the same league with muslims is so incorrect as to be sickening. If US Christians decided to do to muslims in the US what muslims in the muslim word do to unarmed Christians in their land, there would have been a zero muslim count at the last census, but since we haven't, your premise is proved asinine.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-01-20   17:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

Once again, Comrade, your penchant for taking things out of context is dead on:

1 Samuel 15 New International Version (NIV)

"1. Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2. This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

The God described in the Bible was always considered vengeful, but never without some reason for vengeance. To be fair, the Bible also says that God committed near total annihilation of the world just because He was sick of it at the moment...

Also, Saul's time (1050 BC) was well before Mohammed's time (570 AD), and can be considered part of the Islamic, Jewish, and Christian shared history. The God in the story (or historical account, depending on your stance) is the same, and the actions and results could also be considered shared. This alone discounts the assertion that Christianity's version of God and faith is bloodier and crueler than Islam's when using this reference.

Unless I am mistaken, most of the blood shed by Christians happened after the birth of Islam, and it can hardly be considered a one-way street.

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I bet ol' Gats has a metric sh*te-tonne of research that will back up the good professor Philip Jenkins claims that Christians are mush bloodier than Muslims. Why, just look and the Middle East right now. So much "peace" that you cannot even walk a straight line for 10 miles without bumping into one of the ISIS "emissaries of peace"!!!

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-01-20   17:39:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BobCeleste (#2)

You've got me confused with gatlin, who posted this opinion piece. --- I'm with you in criticizing it.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   17:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: tpaine (#4)

Doesn't gatlin find that debatable?

Not dripping with enough sarcasm for the Pastor to detect...

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-01-20   17:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gatlin (#0)

I banned your rtwb account. You're not allowed to have more then one account. You have been warned.

Moderator X  posted on  2015-01-20   17:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Moderator X (#6)

When can I expext the privilege of more than 5 posts a day?

DirtyHarold  posted on  2015-01-20   18:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tpaine (#1)

"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"

Doesn't gatlin find that debatable?

Thank you for asking.

I am busy right now.

However, you hold onto the thought.

I'll try to get back to you when I have time.

Uh, please ping me if I forget.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   18:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Moderator X (#6)

What is an "rtwb" account I am supposed to have?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   18:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BobCeleste (#2)

examples of Christians killing for Christ? I can think of none.


Knights Templar


....

Indeed, the Nazis, the Norwegian mass murderer and many others have committed terrorism in the name of Christianity. Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported the Nazis. .....

Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism, just as most Christians condemn terrorism by fundamentalist Christians and most Jews condemn terrorism by fundamentalist Jews.

......


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-20   18:26:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TheFireBert (#3)

Once again, Comrade, your penchant for taking things out of context is dead on:

I took nothing out of context. I only posted the article.

If you want to ask me if I agree or disagree with the author, then please do so.

I bet ol' Gats has a metric sh*te-tonne of research that will back up the good professor Philip Jenkins claims that Christians are mush bloodier than Muslims. Why, just look and the Middle East right now. So much "peace" that you cannot even walk a straight line for 10 miles without bumping into one of the ISIS "emissaries of peace"!!!

Nope, ol'w Gats has done no such research.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   18:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TheFireBert (#5)

Doesn't gatlin find that debatable?

Not dripping with enough sarcasm for the Pastor to detect...

I've been trying to take it a little easy around poor gat, since he suffered the embarrassment of leaving LP over a mere mention that his 'personal info' might be accessible to a new owner. What could possibly be within such info, - to cause such an overreaction?

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   18:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tpaine (#1)

"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"

Doesn't gatlin find that debatable?

Okay, I have time for you now.

I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not.

I did find that a 2007 Pew Research Center study of several nations throughout the Muslim world showed that opposition to suicide bombing in the Muslim world is increasing, with a majority of Muslims surveyed in 10 out of the 16 of the countries responding that suicide bombings and other violence against civilians is "never" justified, though an average of 38% believe it is justified at least rarely.

Do you have anything that supports or disputes the Pew Research Center study?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   18:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: tpaine (#13)

"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"

I also found that the YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph, published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers.

On the basis of that survey, if it is to believe, one must say that most British Muslims were opposed to the bombings and therefore condemned Islamic terrorism, right?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   18:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin, rtwb sock puppet (#9)

What is an "rtwb" account .... ?

How many sock puppet accounts do you have left, tater?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-20   18:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: hondo68, Gatlin, rtwb sock puppet. Moderator X (#15)

What is an "rtwb" account .... ?

How many sock puppet accounts do you have left, tater?

I have never seen a post by "rtwb"....have you?

I did a "From" and "To" search for "rtwb" and came up with nothing.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   18:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#16)

rwbt

Moderator X  posted on  2015-01-20   19:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin, Return To Work Bonus, Acorn (#16)

search for "rtwb" and came up with nothing.

A world wide web search comes up with... Return To Work Bonus.

How much is Acorn paying you, including sock puppet accounts?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-20   19:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tpaine (#14)

"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"

Condemnations from Muslim sources against terrorists:

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. A leader of an evangelical Christian para-church group, broadcasting over Sirius Family Net radio, stated that he had done a thorough search on the Internet for a Muslim statement condemning terrorism, without finding a single item.

Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets.

The following essays describe a small percentage of statements condemning terrorism that have been made, but not widely published.Topics covered in this section:

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   19:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#13)

"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"
Doesn't gatlin find that debatable?
Okay, I have time for you now. -- I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not.
Thanks for admitting you're posting agitprop without having an idea if it's factual, or not.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   19:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: hondo68 (#18)

search for "rtwb" and came up with nothing.

A world wide web search comes up with... Return To Work Bonus.

How much is Acorn paying you, including sock puppet accounts?

A google search for "rtwB" came up with a number of links to: "Respiratory Therapists Without Borders."

No, I am not connected with the medical profession in any way.

If you find anyone giving out a "return to work bonus"....check to see what they are paying. If it is enough, and it would have to be a huge sum, then I may be interested.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   19:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tpaine (#20)

I was not, it is that you have no importance to me....so you get to the back of the line.

I have my research laid out well in advance for everything I post.

You must know that....try to remember it.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   19:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Moderator X (#17)

rwbt

Screen Name Search: rwbt

There are no posts with the given search criteria.

Sorry, I still have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want me to leave, just say so and I am gone right now.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   19:26:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin (#23)

I think he knows that.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2015-01-20   19:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Gatlin (#23) (Edited)

Screen Name Search: rwbt

There are no posts with the given search criteria.

Shoddy research is standard for you.

There is one post by your sock puppet rwbt, which I responded to.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...gi?ArtNum=37125&Disp=2#C2


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-20   19:45:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited)

The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism

When you cut to the chase,that isn't even the problem. The problems come when the fundies demand everyone else live according to their morality codes.

If they just applied those standards to themselves and left the rest of us alone,no problem.

It's all about freedom of choice.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-20   19:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68, Moderator X, A K A Stone (#25)

Screen Name Search: rwbt

There are no posts with the given search criteria.

Shoddy research is standard for you.

There is one post by your sock puppet rwbt, which I responded to.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...gi?ArtNum=37125&Disp=2#C2

Not shoddy research....I do that to perfection.

I did transpose the letters to "rtwb" when I performed a "From" and "To" search....you can charge to to me acting like greased lightning. I am one fast Devil.

I have no idea why Moderator X ever got the idea I am rwtb.

I am done with this....and you should be too, Moderator X.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   19:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#26)

Gatlin posted an article: -- "The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism"

Then said:--- "I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not."

Now Pete observes: --- When you cut to the chase,that isn't even the problem. The problems come when the fundies demand everyone else live according to their morality codes.

If they just applied those standards to themselves and left the rest of us alone,no problem.

It's all about freedom of choice.

Well said Pete. --- And I'll bet you get a very convoluted 'answer' from gatlin. If we're lucky he may use Pew again.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   20:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete, tpaine (#28)

Gatlin posted an article: -- "The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism" Then said:--- "I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not."

Now Pete observes: --- When you cut to the chase,that isn't even the problem. The problems come when the fundies demand everyone else live according to their morality codes.

If they just applied those standards to themselves and left the rest of us alone,no problem.

It's all about freedom of choice.

Well said Pete. --- And I'll bet you get a very convoluted 'answer' from gatlin. If we're lucky he may use Pew again.

Well said Pete.

There, not convoluted, tpaine.

If I were to have bet, then you would have lost your bet, tpaine.

But then, tpaine, I will never bet with you because you no doubt would renege on that too....just like you did on making a contribution to LP.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   20:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Gatlin (#29)

I'm pretty sure that Goldi knew he would never ptay up.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-20   20:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Palmdale (#30)

I'm pretty sure that Goldi knew he would never ptay up.

She did.
She knew what kind of a person he is.
She backhanded him good on the post where she told him to shut up.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   20:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#29) (Edited)

Well said Pete.

There, not convoluted, tpaine.

If I were to have bet, then you would have lost your bet, tpaine.

Rats, foiled again by Mr. Obvious.

But then, tpaine, I will never bet with you because you no doubt would renege on that too....just like you did on making a contribution to LP.

I've never welshed on a bet in my life. -- You failed to meet my conditions, which was made obvious by your chump like flight from LP when you thought some of your personal info might be compromised.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   20:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: tpaine (#32)

I've never welshed on a bet in my life.

Yea, sure....and you never lied in you life either. :)

You know what, chump....I never have to meet you conditions.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   20:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#0)

Another click wasted on a crappy 3-sentence excerpt.

If you don't like it enough to post the whole thing, then please don't post it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-20   20:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Gatlin (#31)

She knew what kind of a person he is.

She knew indeed, when I defended her position on the thread where she told the religious fanatics to shut up.

She backhanded him good on the post where she told him to shut up.

Yep, that was her style, especially when she was defending poor you over whatever strange thing you were covering up, and still are.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   20:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: tpaine, Moderator X, Devil Anse (#33)

I feel sure that MX or DA will be along shortly to stop this exchange.

So, I will save them the time and trouble.

I am through sparring with you, featherweight.

You are no match for me and it is unfair if I continue.

You take care, ya hear!

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   20:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TooConservative (#34)

Another click wasted on a crappy 3-sentence excerpt.

Your browser doesn't handle hyperlinks?

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-20   20:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Y'ALL (#36)

In my world, he who calls in the moderators, and flees the scene, is a loooser.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   20:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: tpaine (#38)

In my world, he who calls in the moderators, and flees the scene, is a loooser.

Right!

I admit: I lost....I lost....I lost....

Now can you please just shut up and stop stalking me and bothering me?

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-20   20:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#39)

Now can you please just shut up and stop stalking me and bothering me?

Sorry, but as long as you post articles here, you'll get my comments on them.

Nope I'm not gonna shut up. I'm not stalking you, and if my comments are bothering you, feel free to be a bozo, as you were on LP.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   21:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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