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Title: The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism
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washingtonsblog
URL Source: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014 ... amentalists-just-muslisms.html
Published: Aug 26, 2014
Author: washingtonsblog
Post Date: 2015-01-20 15:49:51 by Gatlin
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While the Koran Calls for Violence, The Bible Is Even Worse … Calling for Genocide Christians and Jews rightly point out that the Koran is a violent text which calls on Muslims to attack “unbelievers”. But they fail to see that the Bible is at least as violent.
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#11. To: TheFireBert (#3)
I took nothing out of context. I only posted the article. If you want to ask me if I agree or disagree with the author, then please do so. Nope, ol'w Gats has done no such research.
Doesn't gatlin find that debatable? I've been trying to take it a little easy around poor gat, since he suffered the embarrassment of leaving LP over a mere mention that his 'personal info' might be accessible to a new owner. What could possibly be within such info, - to cause such an overreaction?
Doesn't gatlin find that debatable? Okay, I have time for you now. I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not. I did find that a 2007 Pew Research Center study of several nations throughout the Muslim world showed that opposition to suicide bombing in the Muslim world is increasing, with a majority of Muslims surveyed in 10 out of the 16 of the countries responding that suicide bombings and other violence against civilians is "never" justified, though an average of 38% believe it is justified at least rarely. Do you have anything that supports or disputes the Pew Research Center study?
I also found that the YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph, published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers. On the basis of that survey, if it is to believe, one must say that most British Muslims were opposed to the bombings and therefore condemned Islamic terrorism, right?
How many sock puppet accounts do you have left, tater?
How many sock puppet accounts do you have left, tater? I have never seen a post by "rtwb"....have you? I did a "From" and "To" search for "rtwb" and came up with nothing.
rwbt
A world wide web search comes up with... Return To Work Bonus. How much is Acorn paying you, including sock puppet accounts?
Condemnations from Muslim sources against terrorists: A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc. A leader of an evangelical Christian para-church group, broadcasting over Sirius Family Net radio, stated that he had done a thorough search on the Internet for a Muslim statement condemning terrorism, without finding a single item. Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets. The following essays describe a small percentage of statements condemning terrorism that have been made, but not widely published.Topics covered in this section:
A world wide web search comes up with... Return To Work Bonus. How much is Acorn paying you, including sock puppet accounts? A google search for "rtwB" came up with a number of links to: "Respiratory Therapists Without Borders." No, I am not connected with the medical profession in any way. If you find anyone giving out a "return to work bonus"....check to see what they are paying. If it is enough, and it would have to be a huge sum, then I may be interested.
I was not, it is that you have no importance to me....so you get to the back of the line. I have my research laid out well in advance for everything I post. You must know that....try to remember it.
Screen Name Search: rwbt There are no posts with the given search criteria. Sorry, I still have no idea what you are talking about. If you want me to leave, just say so and I am gone right now.
I think he knows that.
Screen Name Search: rwbt There are no posts with the given search criteria. Shoddy research is standard for you. There is one post by your sock puppet rwbt, which I responded to. When you cut to the chase,that isn't even the problem. The problems come when the fundies demand everyone else live according to their morality codes. If they just applied those standards to themselves and left the rest of us alone,no problem. It's all about freedom of choice.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Screen Name Search: rwbt There are no posts with the given search criteria. Shoddy research is standard for you. There is one post by your sock puppet rwbt, which I responded to. libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...gi?ArtNum=37125&Disp=2#C2 Not shoddy research....I do that to perfection. I did transpose the letters to "rtwb" when I performed a "From" and "To" search....you can charge to to me acting like greased lightning. I am one fast Devil. I have no idea why Moderator X ever got the idea I am rwtb. I am done with this....and you should be too, Moderator X.
Then said:--- "I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not." Now Pete observes: --- When you cut to the chase,that isn't even the problem. The problems come when the fundies demand everyone else live according to their morality codes. If they just applied those standards to themselves and left the rest of us alone,no problem. It's all about freedom of choice. Well said Pete. --- And I'll bet you get a very convoluted 'answer' from gatlin. If we're lucky he may use Pew again.
Now Pete observes: --- When you cut to the chase,that isn't even the problem. The problems come when the fundies demand everyone else live according to their morality codes. If they just applied those standards to themselves and left the rest of us alone,no problem. It's all about freedom of choice. Well said Pete. --- And I'll bet you get a very convoluted 'answer' from gatlin. If we're lucky he may use Pew again. Well said Pete. There, not convoluted, tpaine. If I were to have bet, then you would have lost your bet, tpaine. But then, tpaine, I will never bet with you because you no doubt would renege on that too....just like you did on making a contribution to LP.
I'm pretty sure that Goldi knew he would never ptay up.
She did.
There, not convoluted, tpaine. If I were to have bet, then you would have lost your bet, tpaine. Rats, foiled again by Mr. Obvious. I've never welshed on a bet in my life. -- You failed to meet my conditions, which was made obvious by your chump like flight from LP when you thought some of your personal info might be compromised.
Yea, sure....and you never lied in you life either. :) You know what, chump....I never have to meet you conditions.
Another click wasted on a crappy 3-sentence excerpt. If you don't like it enough to post the whole thing, then please don't post it.
She knew indeed, when I defended her position on the thread where she told the religious fanatics to shut up. Yep, that was her style, especially when she was defending poor you over whatever strange thing you were covering up, and still are.
I feel sure that MX or DA will be along shortly to stop this exchange. So, I will save them the time and trouble. I am through sparring with you, featherweight. You are no match for me and it is unfair if I continue. You take care, ya hear!
Your browser doesn't handle hyperlinks?
In my world, he who calls in the moderators, and flees the scene, is a loooser.
Right! I admit: I lost....I lost....I lost.... Now can you please just shut up and stop stalking me and bothering me?
Sorry, but as long as you post articles here, you'll get my comments on them. Nope I'm not gonna shut up. I'm not stalking you, and if my comments are bothering you, feel free to be a bozo, as you were on LP.
No, it doesn't.
Good luck on that.
Good luck on that.
I am not debating your posting of the article, only your ability to shape the context of the conversation by selective posting of the main body of content, along with no explanation of why you did so. This post you seem to highlight just the juiciest part of the article, the hook, which does not contain any "facts" or "opinions" which at least support why you think the article was important. On the other post you made about "greying" Christians, you left out the main meaning of the article in favor of what many would call agitprop. Perhaps you should post the entire article next time or at least create a poster's comment on why that is the only content that matters in the article. Otherwise, your posts will remain in troll'dom with the rest of your Troll Kingdom.
Don't waste the internet ink on this article. This was done over at LP too. We know the true definition of Christian fundamentalist and it does not involve cowardly violence: FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). Christians at the turn of the 20th century embraced the label "fundamentalist." It separated them from the liberalism infecting the churches and theological universities in the late 19th century. Based on the above, I am a fundamentalist.
"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa
I will add to your analysis. That being we are the created and God is the Creator. There were horrible things going on in Canaan and later around, and even later right inside Israel. Things like parents having their children walk through fire as a sacrifice to gods. Of course the children perished. The parents did this ritual sacrifice to gain favor with the gods, gain power and financial gain. Sounds familiar. There was also other horrible murders, rapes, brutal treatment of orphans and widows and yes the worst kind of sexual perversions. God judged these kings and nations. He used the sword from Israel to remove the filth from His nostrils. Are we really going to judge the Judge? Job has an answer to this question.
"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa
"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa
That is actually an excellent question: where exactly are you on this issue? Mind you, the issue is multi-topical - religious sects, definition of fundamentalist, violence in religion, etc. I have my own reservations about fundamentalism in general, and how each major religion handles and uses the term. This site has a very simplified primer on the differences between Christian and Islamic fundamentalism, and kinda strays into "religion of peace" territory when explaining away how the majority of Muslims do not wish to visit violence upon others. If one were to take in what is reported in news across the world today, they would get a much fuzzier picture of what Islamic fundamentalism is, and how easy it is to transform it into a jihad against the infidels. Any time you have a religious ideology, not matter how far from mainstream it may be, demanding that society adopt its laws and beliefs, it is a recipe for disaster when enough people subscribe to its madness. And I would not say that whole nations have called for genocide in the recent past, but we have had religious and political leaders in Muslim-dominant countries that have done just that, along with mutterings of destruction for western nations. This is in stark contrast to what Christian fundamentalism is. Yes, there are some that believe that homosexuals are deviants and that you should burn in hell if you work on Sunday, but at worst the average modern Christian fundamentalist could be considered champions of the status-quot. They would like to return to a more morals-based society, but are more concerned with proving that the Bible is 90-100% true than forcing society as a whole to a theocratic rule which could possibly include some of the cruelest punishments known to man. And the key term is "Christ"ian. Any argument that poses that Christians would want to return to the Old Testament style of living would do better talking to a fundamentalist Jew about how the Old Testament fits in to modern life. Anyone who walks under the banner of Christ would know that much of the old laws were abandoned once the teachings of Jesus spread. On the violence in the recorded texts of the Bible and the Qur'an, the Bible makes mostly historical references to specific violence related to events in a specific context. In places where violence may be implied, it is often metaphorical or talked about in an external influence, rather than a direct call to arms. The Old Testament was heavily coded with violent episodes of military campaign, while the New Testament, which is based on history after Jesus' birth, is recorded as primer in non-violent living. In contrast, there are numerous accounts of direct, open-ended calls of violence to be visited upon non-believers, foreigners, and those who turn from Islam to another religion found in the texts of the Qur'an and other historical records of Mohammad. Even the contrast of personalities and gravity toward violence is evident in the texts when referring to both Jesus and Mohammed. One was a near perfect pacifist, and the other a military leader and prophet who often decreed that Allah said it was OK to kill and loot as long as you were aggrieved. Of course, there is plenty of content out there to call all of this text a lie; who are any of us to know the past truth, rather than look into the current affairs of mankind?
Hitler was not a Christian. He embraced the ancient pagan gods of the Germanic tribes. You can see that by the rituals kept at his rallies. Plus, and most important...the real Christians stormed the beaches of Normandy to destroy the false proclaiming Nazis. The greatest trick of Satan is to create belief systems that look and feel like the real thing. But for those who have eyes that see, these systems are easily identifiable. Finally, nowhere in Biblical Christian teaching is it taught to conquer in the Name of Christ. Nowhere is it directed or hinted to establish nation states as a theocracy with using such a state to spread and force the Gospel. With Islam they are commanded to use the sword. And they do so with their Allah's blessings.
"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOnce again, Comrade, your penchant for taking things out of context is dead on:
I bet ol' Gats has a metric sh*te-tonne of research that will back up the good professor Philip Jenkins claims that Christians are mush bloodier than Muslims. Why, just look and the Middle East right now. So much "peace" that you cannot even walk a straight line for 10 miles without bumping into one of the ISIS "emissaries of peace"!!!
#12. To: TheFireBert (#5)
Not dripping with enough sarcasm for the Pastor to detect...
#13. To: tpaine (#1)
"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"
#14. To: tpaine (#13)
"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"
#15. To: Gatlin, rtwb sock puppet (#9)
What is an "rtwb" account .... ?
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#16. To: hondo68, Gatlin, rtwb sock puppet. Moderator X (#15)
What is an "rtwb" account .... ?
#17. To: Gatlin (#16)
#18. To: Gatlin, Return To Work Bonus, Acorn (#16)
search for "rtwb" and came up with nothing.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#19. To: tpaine (#14)
"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"
#20. To: Gatlin (#13)
"Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism?"
Doesn't gatlin find that debatable? Okay, I have time for you now. -- I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not.
Thanks for admitting you're posting agitprop without having an idea if it's factual, or not.
#21. To: hondo68 (#18)
search for "rtwb" and came up with nothing.
#22. To: tpaine (#20)
#23. To: Moderator X (#17)
rwbt
#24. To: Gatlin (#23)
#25. To: Gatlin (#23)
(Edited)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#26. To: Gatlin (#0)
(Edited)
The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism
#27. To: hondo68, Moderator X, A K A Stone (#25)
#28. To: sneakypete (#26)
Gatlin posted an article: -- "The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism"
#29. To: sneakypete, tpaine (#28)
Gatlin posted an article: -- "The Problem Isn’t Islam … It’s ALL Religious Fundamentalism" Then said:--- "I personally have no idea if "Most Muslims condemn Islamic terrorism" or not."
#30. To: Gatlin (#29)
#31. To: Palmdale (#30)
I'm pretty sure that Goldi knew he would never ptay up.
She knew what kind of a person he is.
She backhanded him good on the post where she told him to shut up.
#32. To: Gatlin (#29)
(Edited)
Well said Pete.
But then, tpaine, I will never bet with you because you no doubt would renege on that too....just like you did on making a contribution to LP.
#33. To: tpaine (#32)
I've never welshed on a bet in my life.
#34. To: Gatlin (#0)
#35. To: Gatlin (#31)
She knew what kind of a person he is.
She backhanded him good on the post where she told him to shut up.
#36. To: tpaine, Moderator X, Devil Anse (#33)
#37. To: TooConservative (#34)
Another click wasted on a crappy 3-sentence excerpt.
#38. To: Y'ALL (#36)
#39. To: tpaine (#38)
In my world, he who calls in the moderators, and flees the scene, is a loooser.
#40. To: Gatlin (#39)
Now can you please just shut up and stop stalking me and bothering me?
#41. To: Palmdale (#37)
Your browser doesn't handle hyperlinks?
#42. To: Gatlin (#39)
Now can you please just shut up and stop stalking me
#43. To: Palmdale (#42)
Now can you please just shut up and stop stalking me.
#44. To: Gatlin (#11)
I took nothing out of context. I only posted the article.
#45. To: TheFireBert (#44)
This post you seem to highlight just the juiciest part of the article
#46. To: BobCeleste (#2)
#47. To: hondo68, Gatlin (#15)
#48. To: TheFireBert, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#3)
The God described in the Bible was always considered vengeful, but never without some reason for vengeance. To be fair, the Bible also says that God committed near total annihilation of the world just because He was sick of it at the moment...
#49. To: Gatlin, CZ82 (#6)
I banned your rtwb account. You're not allowed to have more then one account. You have been warned.
#50. To: Gatlin (#11)
(Edited)
If you want to ask me if I agree or disagree with the author, then please do so.
#51. To: hondo68, BobCeleste, Vicomte13 (#10)
Indeed, the Nazis, the Norwegian mass murderer and many others have committed terrorism in the name of Christianity. Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported the Nazis. .....
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