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Title: How do you know that the Bible is Divinely inspired?
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Published: Jan 18, 2015
Author: Anne Diehl
Post Date: 2015-01-18 22:30:58 by SOSO
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How do you know that the Bible is Divinely inspired? Leave a comment Posted by Anna Diehl on November 8, 2013 What we call the Bible today is a collection of old manuscripts that are believed to be Divinely inspired. The entire book did not magically appear one day out of thin air; instead the documents collected in it came into being at very different points in history. The ages of some manuscripts differ by centuries. It is important that we understand how our Bible came into being and what a tenuous thing its existence really is. After all, who’s to say that the Bible you read is really the correct one? Within the Christian Church there are several different biblical canons (collections of books) in use. Some denominations include more books in their Bibles—books which they believe to be every bit as inspired as the rest of Scriptures. Yet other branches of the Church reject these books as not inspired enough to warrant a place within our sacred Scriptures. Some Bibles include additional material for the books of Daniel, Esther, Psalms, and Jeremiah—material that other Bibles intentionally leave out. At some point we need to ask ourselves, “Why do I believe my Bible is truly inspired by God?” If our answer is just “Because someone else said so,” then we have a problem. We need a much better reason than this. Many Christians think the “proof” that the Bible is inspired can be found within the Bible itself: “All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16) But here we have a problem. This statement merely reflects one man’s opinion of the Old Testament, not the entire Book. Have you ever met Paul in person? Of course not. So why do you put so much stock in his opinion? Why do you hang on his every word and blindly believe anything he says? Because your pastor tells you to? If your pastor told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? We Christians have such trouble remembering that the New Testament didn’t exist at the time it was being written. Every reference we find to “Scripture” in the Bible can only be referring to the Old Testament—either part or all of it, depending on when the comment was made. The Jewish men who penned our Bible had never heard of the New Testament. When Paul wrote his letters to Timothy and various churches, he had no idea that his letters would be preserved for all time. When he wrote to the church in Rome, he wasn’t trying add to what he considered to be inspired Scriptures. He was simply writing a letter to address certain issues, just as we write letters to people today. None of the New Testament authors were trying to expand the Scriptures. As far as they were concerned, the Scriptures plus the revelation of Jesus were complete and sufficient for training souls in righteousness. In their day, Jesus’ teachings were being spread about verbally and through individual letters like Romans, Colossians and Luke. There was no convenient collection of documents like we have today. It’s important to realize that this “Divinely inspired” business is a manmade label, which is easy to misapply. The letter of Romans did not come floating down to us from the sky with the Holy Spirit’s Personal seal on it. It began as just a letter—a document that could have been easily lost forever if someone hadn’t gone to the trouble of preserving it. What makes us decide to preserve a letter that some random human jotted down to someone else? Well, it depends on who the human was. If he was a man we respect, such as the apostle Paul, then we take special interest in the things he wrote. We figure that when it comes to God, Paul was given some spiritual insights that we could all benefit from. We read what his letter says, we pray about it, and if our gut feels like it sounds inspired, we put in the Bible and declare that it is now a sacred document which must never be altered. This is how we got the book of Romans into the Bible. This is how all the books got into the Bible we use today. One by one, they were pulled out of a vast sea of written material and declared as Divinely inspired. First the Jews gathered together the books we now call the Old Testament. Later on, Christians decided to trust the Jews’ judgment about their Scriptures being Divinely inspired, and then they added on more documents which we now call the New Testament. So when you read your Bible, you’re rifling through a collection of documents that some total strangers decided were trustworthy. You don’t know who these people are, yet you are blindly trusting their judgment. Is this a good thing? Not really. If all you’re doing is trusting in strangers, you could be just as easily talked into believing that some cultic book was the “infallible and inerrant” Word of God as well. After all, bibles aren’t unique to Christianity. Many religions have sacred scriptures, and many treat the writings of their prophets as Divinely inspired, even though those prophets were visited by “angels” who told them that Jesus was not the Son of God. If we’re going to risk our eternal future on other people’s opinions, visions, and dusty manuscripts, we could quite easily end up in Hell. Knowing the truth about who God is and what He wants from us is far too serious a thing to toy with. There are a lot of problems with trying to decide which documents are really worthy of receiving the “Divinely inspired” stamp. Authorship is a big one, yet we’re sometimes so impressed with a man that we get sloppy about testing the things he says. James, for example, makes some pretty farfetched claims in his book. He suggests that God will always heal the sick, as long as we follow a certa in formula of behavior and have faith. By now we’ve had time to learn that James’ guarantee simply doesn’t work. No doubt he was sharing what his personal experience had been, but his immature claim has caused volumes of needless torment and guilt for sincere souls whose requests for healing were denied. James is also the one who gives us that famous “resist the devil and he will flee from you” line which has also led many astray into believing they can have a life free from demonic harassment. Not hardly. As long as we are on this earth, we will be attacked by demons and many battles will be very long and arduous, no matter how stalwart our resistance is. Satan doesn’t flee for the hills the moment we start resisting him. Things are much more complicated than that. Satan couldn’t ever attack us in the first place unless God was giving him permission to, and when God lets Satan have at us, He has a reason for putting us through the ordeal. We’re supposed to be focused on growing through our trials, not just trying to escape them all through perfect prayers. Why did we keep the letter of man who has such underdeveloped theology? Because he was James. We consider his identity to be sufficient credentials—a system which has some obvious flaws. Interestingly, we don’t even know who wrote some of the documents that we now cling to as sacred. Why are we keeping the teachings of an unknown author? Because the contents ring true to us. Authorship and contents—that’s pretty much all we have to go by when dealing with old manuscripts. And of course there’s no telling what archeologists might dig up tomorrow. What if they uncover another letter from the apostle Paul? Will we consider that Divinely inspired as well? What if Paul says something totally wrong? Will we keep it just because it’s a work of his hand end up leading generations of Christians astray? How do we know when we’ve made a mistake with our labels? How do we really know that all the books in the Bible should be in it? Many Christians try to argue that “God obviously guided the formation of the Christian Bible, so that’s why we know it’s what He wants.” This is a very weak argument. God is in absolute control of this universe, yet He allows people to print lies and blasphemy about Him all the time. Just because God lets a book become published doesn’t mean He approves of its contents. We can’t just throw some documents together willy-nilly and call it a Divine revelation. Since you didn’t personally assemble the contents of your Bible—since you didn’t rifle through all the other documents available and do some serious studying and praying and comparing to see what sounded like an authentic message from God versus just someone’s opinion, <>how do you know that what you’re reading is really true? We can’t base our lives on words written by human hands simply because those humans claimed to be inspired by God. Any nutcase can claim to be inspired by God. Plenty of people claim the Quran is inspired by God. Others say the Book of Mormon is a sacred text that we should all be putting our trust in. Who’s right and who’s wrong? Are you going to risk the fate of your own soul based on someone else’s claims? Today we are so used to having our Old and New Testaments that we can’t imagine how we could ever come to know who God is without them. Yet as we turn back the historical clock, we find souls like Moses, Noah and Abraham coming to an understanding of who God is and what He wants without any Bible at all. There were no written Scriptures when these men first established personal relationships with God. Like us, they lived in a world that was filled with false religions and false gods. Everybody had a theory about who made the universe and what happened after death. Plenty of cultures had sacred writings and oral traditions that they considered to be divinely inspired. How could anyone possibly sort through such a mess to find the truth—especially someone without any access to Scripture? It’s an impossible situation as long as we stick to the ridiculous assumption that God needs the help of a Book to teach us. But when we remember that the Holy Spirit is quite capable of illuminating souls without using any props, a lot of things start making sense. Your relationship is with God, not a Book. God can speak to you using anything He wants: the Bible, a movie, a song on the radio, a conversation with a friend. We mustn’t become so narrow-minded that we start thinking we would be spiritually lost without our precious Bibles. Now of course it is a marvelous thing to have access to ancient documents which have been translated into languages we can understand. And if something we’re reading really was inspired by God—well, what a thrill. Of course we want to pay close attention. But before we can get all excited, we have to receive some kind of confirmation from the Holy Spirit within our own souls that what we’re reading is something He feels is true and accurate. It is YOUR responsibility to be a discerning Christian. You cannot simply rely on the judgment of a bunch of dead theologians and scholars who lived long ago and decided the Scriptures you have are authentic. The only way you’re going to be able to tell the difference between truly inspired documents and clever counterfeits is by going to God directly. You must remember that GOD is your end goal. You are building a relationship with a living, active, non-human Being. You aren’t just reading the Bible to study up on religious tradition like one studies up on the origins of Santa Claus. If you want to know God, you have to talk to Him directly—you can’t just sit around reading bits of paper. Prayer and focus are essential elements of discernment. If your soul isn’t focused on the Holy Spirit when you read the Bible, and if you aren’t asking Him to show you His truths, then you’re just wasting your time. Satan has all kinds of interpretations that he’d like to shove on you, and unless you are in tune with God, you’ll be an easy sell for his lies. Countless Christian theologians, teachers, and laymen have gone far astray because they tried to use the Bible as a substitute for God. Without God, the Book is useless. Unless we are aligned with Him every time we read with a submissive, eager-to-learn, open minded attitude, we are just going to keep recycling the same lies that have been passed around the Church for years. You need God to teach you truth, and as a Christian, you have Him dwelling right inside of you all the time. Now you just need to be wise enough to listen to Him. Don’t be impressed by manmade credentials and degrees. Many souls who have spent thousands of dollars to purchase a doctorate in biblical studies are total idiots when it comes to God’s truth because they aren’t listening to Him. You don’t have to follow their bad example. By all means, read your Bible—but only receive from it truths that the Holy Spirit is giving to you. Don’t let Paul, James, Luke, Matthew or anyone else be your final authority in life. Listen to God Himself, and He will tell you when the words of other men have merit for you. So then, is all Scripture really God-breathed? Don’t take Paul’s word for it. Ask the Holy Spirit. He’s the only One who really knows.
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#1. To: Orthodoxa, redleghunter, TooConservative, Vicomte13, A K A Stone, Liberator, A Pole, GarySpFc (#0)
OK, guys, have at it. I bolded and underline the parts that resonate mopst with me.
If you're a reader, then you have favorite authors. You can pick up a book and know that it was the work of your favorite author because of his/her distinct style. The Bible is the same way. Perhaps there were many pens but one author. I suggest that others divide the Bible into parts. Start with Genesis, Psalms, Isaiah, Matthew. Read a couple of paragraphs from each portion per night...takes about 10 minutes. You will be stunned as the author's style unfolds. It takes a year to read. I did this while teaching a Bible study group in the 80's. I was stunned that this group did not know the scriptures. The Lord had a surprise for us. (I also read the 10 min. per night) On Easter, the scriptures spoke of his death and resurrection. I asked the people if they were up to date on their reading. They were not, so they missed the blessing! I didn't plan it that way, it's just the way it happened. Holy Spirit, indeed.
I have done so. I took four years of Theology in undergraduate school. "I was stunned that this group did not know the scriptures." SO, are they condemned to Hell because of that?
You don't believe in the Holy Spirit?
Of course not. They believed John 3:16. It is important that they know their scripture just to survive life here, a guide on how to live your life and fight off temptations. They need to know what the future is, that they might understand and watch as prophecy unfolds. It inspires deep faith and commitment, because we see the world for what it is.
Of course I believe in the Holy Spirit. He inspired the study.
--------------------------- Neither I nor anybody else knows. Nor does vehemence in expressing a belief in divine inspiration constitute evidence. The bible is simply the product of mankind's desperate attempt to find importance, meaning, and justice in life within their infantesimaly small part of the universe.
Paul joins OT and NT as both Scripture “Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
It's a fascinating topic; one that will require a lot of electronic ink if I'm going to explain my view. I'm not sure why anybody would really care enough about my view of things to want to read all that electronic ink, so I hesitate.
Baloney
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
I'll let the group chime in, but given my tendency to scrutinize internet sites, I have to shoot this one down as heretical. If you look at one of their about pages you will see a clear indication this is a Tritheism site. It clearly preaches a "three God Trinity". Also the sites penchant for relegating not only the NT but OT to mere opinions of men is concerning. The site teaches each person should pray to see if the scriptures are ok for them. Which pretty much relegates Holy Scriptures to a matter of opinion...even with all those "Thus saith The LORD" declarations throughout scriptures. The site owners omit the reason why the NT is authoritative...That those who proclaimed the oracles of God came in both word and Power, God's demonstrated Power. So I doubt you are seriously promoting a Tritheism and just wanted to stimulate conversation on the scriptures. However, I cannot trust the opinion of a site which promotes "three 'God's'" make the Trinity. One doesn't need a church council to figure out the Nature of God. Tritheism by Matt Slick Tritheism is the teaching that the Godhead is really three separate beings forming three separate gods. This erring view is often misplaced by the cults for the doctrine of the Trinity which states that there is but one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the trinity is, by definition, monothestic. That is, it is a doctrine that affirms that there is only one God in all the universe. Tritheism has taken different forms throughout the centuries. In the early church, the Christians were accused of being tritheists by those who either refused to understand or could not understand the doctrine of the Trinity. In the late 11th century a Catholic monk of Compiègne in France, Roscelin, considered the three Divine Persons as three independent beings, and that it could be said they were three gods. He maintained that God the Father and God the Holy Ghost would have become incarnate with God the Son unless there were three gods. Present day Mormonism is tritheistic--but with a twist. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in the universe, but they serve and worship only one of them. The godhead for earth is to them really three separate gods: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The Father used to be a man on another world who brought one of his wives with him to this world--they both have bodies of flesh and bones. The son is a second god who was literally begotten between god the father and his goddess wife. The holy ghost is a third god. Therefore, in reality, Mormonism is polytheistic with a tritheistic emphasis. Of course, tritheism clearly contradicts the teaching of the Bible regarding monotheism. "You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, In order that you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." (Isaiah 43:10). “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." (Isaiah 44:6). ‘Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.’” (Isaiah 44:8).
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
The linked site is a tritheism site. Perhaps a stealth Mormon site. Doing more research.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
How do you know that the Bible is Divinely inspired? It's a very legitimate question, and I agree with the author that self-certifying references, such as biblical quotes that say the scriptures are the word of God, are of no value in answering such a question. The reason should be very obvious.
Would the article's source or the author's affiliation be a legitimate reason to not address or consider the points raised? Is it not possible for someone to ask good questions or make good points if they have imperfect theology?
It's not Mormon. Look at what I found. Clearly it's heretical. "Does God do evil? Yes. God does both good and evil. Nothing happens in this universe without God’s approval and help. Satan never overrides God"
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org
A search for the author Anna Diehl, produces some interesting results. Her name suggests Hinduism, and sure enough it's mentioned in the article above. Heretic? Yep. More.... http://www.religiousresearcher.org/2014/11/12/pursuit-of-gods-anna-diehl-and-christian-post/
This picture is wrong - because it presents FOUR hypostases - God, Father, Son and Spirit. Yet, there are only three. God the Son is True God FROM the True God the Father, God the Son is con-substantial WITH THE FATHER, it shares Father's being (or essence or substance). So does the Spirit. Son through eternal begetting, Spirit through eternal proceeding FROM the Father. Hypostases (subsistences) of the Son and Spirit are not substantial by themselves. They share the substance/being OF Father, so they are con-substantial with the Father. God is One, because Father is one. The hypostasis of the Father is the only one of Three that is ousia. Or in other words, the subsistence of the Father is the only one of three that is a substance.
SOSO,you should sign up to be a co-owner of this ping list.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Well yes of course. If one gets the Nature of God incorrect they will get just about everything wrong. Because, if Jesus is not Who He says He is then jettison the whole deal. That is why the site relegates Holy Scriptures to mere suggestions. The 10 Commandments then become the "10 suggestions" etc.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
Unlike Muhammad and Joseph Smith, who were one person proclaiming one book as directly from God, the TaNaKh (OT) and NT had multiple scribes, prophets and apostles over a roughly 2000+ year period. The other factor of difference is these Words which came to prophets, apostles etc. came with God's Power...Miracles which were witnessed not just by the ones penning the account but dozens, and in some cases hundreds and thousands. That is what we call testimony.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
I agree. Hondo was pointing out the error of the image as well and the Hindu leanings of the author's piece. Gary would be the best to ID the group, but this author and site has the smatterings of the post-modern Eastern religion polytheism syncretism we see with New Age beliefs.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
That's probably as good an explanation of the trinity as possible. From there, faith smooths out the rough edges. :)
The early church fathers/theologians put a lot of thought, scripture study into this mystery. Here is one man's research on the matter from http://www.christian- history.org/the-trinity.html: The Early Christian Explanation of the Trinity The Christian writers of the second and third century claimed that their doctrine was taught by the apostles. Irenaeus, for example, writing in A.D. 185, said: The Church … has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith in one God, the Father … in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit. (Against Heresies I:10:1) More Here as there are several links going into several church fathers and their studies and letters on the Trinity, the Deity of Christ (LOGOS) and more.
"Whatever things, then, the Holy Scripture declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn..." Hippolytus
Amen!!!
Thanks for the thought but I am not a joiner:)
I'd read.
I never heard of her before I stumbled onto the linked site. What is the heresy in her article?
You sound like a Greek Lutheran here. : )
Too many gods. Might be OK for Hindus and Mormons, but who wants to spend eternity with them, in the lake of fire? No thanks.
Maybe not,but you do seem to create a lot of religious threads. Wouldn't you like to be able to ping people to them?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sorry, I'll try doing better in the future:) "Wouldn't you like to be able to ping people to them?" Well, that may be a decent idea. What do I have to do to become co-whatever?
Click on the "setup" link at the top of each LF page,then click on "manage subscriptions. You will see a list of every ping list available on LF,and beside each of there there will be a blank box. Click on that box to put a arrow in it,then scroll down a little further and click on the "save" button. That's it. You will then see each thread that is pinged to that list,and if the owner allows all subscribers to become co-owners like most ping list creators do,you will also be able to ping others to it just like the owner does. Since I happen to be the one that created the "Religious History and Issues" ping list,I know for a fact you will instantly become a co-owner by subscribing to it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Done.
From the hieroglyphic pictographs contained within the first sentence of Genesis. The fractal nature of the message underlying the message underlying the message, and the impossible symmetry of picture, letter, name of letter, letters that make up the spoken letters, and then the unified meaning of all of the individual parts - it's not possible. It's not visible, unless you look, and once you look, it's bottomless, and it's not hidden or secret - it's really blatant. And language cannot have evolved so fortuitously as to line up like that. Much in the way that the complexity of the eyeball causes many people to conclude that blind random evolution cannot account for it and that it had to be intelligently designed, the overlapping layers of the pictographic Genesis are impossible. Moreover, the direct foreshadowing of the end of the Bible, and the description of the internal division of the Godhead itself, before the beginning, within the first word of the text...it is obviously divine handiwork. It's either that or magic. That's how I know that The Torah, at least, is divinely inspired. I know that the part of the Gospels about the Holy Spirit alighting on Jesus as a dove is true, because I've seen the Dove - had it dive INTO MY SKULL and knock me down. So the Dove vouches for that part. I note that the Shroud of Turin appears in all four Gospels - another point of veridical reference that shows me those parts are true. I've spoken about the first sentence of the Torah. Recurring themes that then occur within the Greek of Revelation tells me those parts are true. The sort of healings that happen at Lourdes match what Jesus did - another cross reference. There's nowhere ELSE to look to see what a Jesus who is proven to exist through the Shroud and the other miracles, and whom I've embraced myself - so if not the Gospels and Revelation, then what and where? That's how I know that at least some of the text is divinely inspired. As to the rest of it, well, in for a penny, in for a pound. God took the time to inspire some of it, and what is "inspiration", exactly? (To really unpack that word requires understanding with breath and spirit are, and I'm too tired for that just now.) He inspired key words and directions. I've written elsewhere that only 8% of the Bible are words spoken by God, and that with the triple and quadruple repetitions, only about 2% is actual original non-repetitive material from God. The rest of the text is ABOUT God and history, so even if it isn't directly spoken by, or "inspired by" God, it still tells the story. The work of someone like Mother Theresa, for instance, was clearly inspired by God. We don't treat her words and deeds as Scripture, but they clearly revealed God. In other words, the "inspired by God" moniker for the Scripture is a bit of a McGuffin. God inspires much. The actual words that MATTER are really the 2% or so that are actual LAWS and COMMANDMENTS of God, and THOSE all come in either the Torah (which has its internal features that are self-authenticating, much like the Shroud of Turin) or the Gospels/Revelation, which have the virtue of being authenticated in their main proposition by the Shroud and the other miracles...and being the only place where the words of that miraculous man are preserved.
#2. To: SOSO (#1)
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#3. To: out damned spot (#2)
I suggest that others divide the Bible into parts. Start with Genesis, Psalms, Isaiah, Matthew. Read a couple of paragraphs from each portion per night...takes about 10 minutes. You will be stunned as the author's style unfolds. It takes a year to read.
#4. To: out damned spot (#2)
Holy Spirit, indeed.
#5. To: SOSO (#3)
SO, are they condemned to Hell because of that?
#6. To: SOSO (#4)
#7. To: SOSO (#0)
(Edited)
How do you know that the Bible is Divinely inspired?
#8. To: SOSO (#0)
We Christians have such trouble remembering that the New Testament didn’t exist at the time it was being written. Every reference we find to “Scripture” in the Bible can only be referring to the Old Testament—either part or all of it, depending on when the comment was made.
Paul, in 1 Timothy 5:18 joins both Old and New Testament references, and calls them Scripture.
1 Timothy 5:18 (ESV) For the Scripture says, *“You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, *“The laborer deserves his wages.”
Deuteronomy 25:4 (ESV)
[4] *“You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain. Luke 10:7 (ESV)
[7] And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for *the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house.
#9. To: SOSO (#1)
bolded and underline the parts that resonate mopst with me.
#10. To: SOSO (#0)
So then, is all Scripture really God-breathed? Don’t take Paul’s word for it. Ask the Holy Spirit. He’s the only One who really knows.
#11. To: SOSO, Orthodoxa, TooConservative, Vicomte13, A K A Stone, Liberator, A Pole, GarySpFc (#1)
#12. To: GarySpFc, TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#10)
#13. To: SOSO (#0)
#14. To: redleghunter (#12)
The linked site is a tritheism site. Perhaps a stealth Mormon site. Doing more research.
#15. To: redleghunter (#12)
#16. To: redleghunter (#12)
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Christianity: Monotheism or Polytheism? [Anna Diehl]
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#17. To: hondo68 (#16)
#18. To: SOSO, *Religious History and Issues* (#0)
#19. To: Pinguinite, Vicomte13, TooConservative, GarySpFc, liberator (#14)
Would the article's source or the author's affiliation be a legitimate reason to not address or consider the points raised? Is it not possible for someone to ask good questions or make good points if they have imperfect theology?
#20. To: Pinguinite, SOSO, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, Orthodoxa, liberator, Don (#13)
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It's a very legitimate question, and I agree with the author that self-certifying references, such as biblical quotes that say the scriptures are the word of God, are of no value in answering such a question. The reason should be very obvious.
#21. To: A Pole, hondo68, GarySpFc, liberator (#17)
#22. To: A Pole, redleghunter (#17)
Hypostases (subsistences) of the Son and Spirit are not substantial by themselves. They share the substance/being OF Father, so they are con-substantial with the Father.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#23. To: hondo68, A Pole, GarySpFc, TooConservative, Vicomte13, Don, liberator, SOSO, Orthodoxa (#22)
That's probably as good an explanation of the trinity as possible. From there, faith smooths out the rough edges. :)
#24. To: hondo68, redleghunter, out damned spot, Pinguinite, Vicomte13, TooConservative, GarySpFc, rlk, liberator (#22)
From there, faith smooths out the rough edges. :)
#25. To: sneakypete (#18)
SOSO,you should sign up to be a co-owner of this ping list.
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
It's a fascinating topic; one that will require a lot of electronic ink if I'm going to explain my view.
#27. To: hondo68 (#16)
A search for the author Anna Diehl, produces some interesting results. Her name suggests Hinduism, and sure enough it's mentioned in the article above. Heretic? Yep.
#28. To: A Pole (#17)
Hypostases (subsistences) of the Son and Spirit are not substantial by themselves. They share the substance/being OF Father, so they are con-substantial with the Father.
#29. To: SOSO (#27)
What is the heresy in her article?
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#30. To: SOSO (#25)
Thanks for the thought but I am not a joiner:)
#31. To: sneakypete (#30)
Maybe not,but you do seem to create a lot of religious threads.
#32. To: SOSO (#31)
Well, that may be a decent idea. What do I have to do to become co-whatever?
#33. To: sneakypete (#32)
#34. To: SOSO (#0)
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How do you know that the Bible is Divinely inspired?
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