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Title: Libertarians Are Taking Over The Republican Party
Source: The Daily Caller
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/15/l ... ing-over-the-republican-party/
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:08:54 by Hondo68
Keywords: Libertarian Republicans, come to an accommodation, national aspirational message
Views: 75458
Comments: 144

Former Michigan Republican Rep. Thaddeus McCotter says his party’s future belongs to the libertarians.

It’s a message McCotter has been spreading in interviews and to anyone who’ll listen. He’s even laid out his case in a smart book, “Liberty Risen: The Ultimate Triumph of Libertarian-Republicans, where he claims libertarians even have something to say to the Budweiser-drinking, boxer-wearing, pro-life, Boston sheet metal worker.

Most Republicans who hype the libertarian moment are libertarians themselves. Not McCotter. He is a Russell Kirk-quoting social conservative. “I’m not a libertarian,” he jokes. “I just play one on TV.” But while fellow social conservatives like Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum slam libertarianism, McCotter believes the GOP will find a way to integrate libertarian activists who care about government surveillance the way it once assimilated evangelical Christians who cared about abortion.

“When I was still in Congress I noticed younger Republicans saying, ‘I am a conservative, but I’m libertarian on some issues,’” McCotter told The Daily Caller. “They hadn’t grown up with Reagan and seen how [conservatism] had worked. All they had seen was the decline of the Republican Party.”

“Now if you read your Russell Kirk, you can’t be both a libertarian and a conservative at the same time,” he added. “But America being what it is, you can be whatever you want.”

In the past, Republicans might have used “libertarian” as a codeword for moderate. Arlen Specter, for example, liked to describe himself as an “economic-fiscal conservative and a social libertarian.” But libertarian is no longer a Republican euphemism.

“Moderate Republicans would like Common Core,” McCotter told TheDC. “Libertarian Republicans wouldn’t like it.”

According to McCotter, the shift isn’t just political and generational. It’s mainly cultural. “The 21st century doesn’t operate top down,” he said. “You wouldn’t let someone else program your iPod. Why let a top-down bureaucracy choose your health care?” The consumer-driven, highly personalized economy will eventually have an impact on a bureaucracy mostly designed in the distant past. He quotes Andrew Breitbart as saying, “Politics is downstream from culture.”

The Libertarian Party won’t go away, he said, but libertarians who actually want to govern will do so as Republicans, like presidential candidate and former 12-term Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Michigan Rep. Justin Amash.

Libertarian Republicans can come to an accommodation with social conservatives, McCotter said — note that all of the above libertarian GOPers are pro-life. Even when they disagree on the substance of a social issue, he argued they can agree federal judges shouldn’t be the final arbiters of morality. He also believes “the failure of the neoconservative movement and even some of the realist movement” and a “war-weary” country gives libertarians an opening on foreign policy by appealing to voters who want to “crush the terrorist threat there without creating a government threat here.”

That doesn’t necessarily mean Rand Paul will be the next Republican presidential nominee, however. “2016 may be too soon,” McCotter told TheDC. “In many ways, Senator Paul has an advantage in that his father was the pioneer, in other ways it’s a disadvantage.”

“Libertarian Republicans need a national aspirational message,” McCotter said. “That’s hard to do, because libertarians are so individualistic.” Purist libertarians will resist, but liberals and conservatives aren’t immune to infighting over ideological points themselves.

If Rand Paul did win the nomination, McCotter doubts many Republicans who disagree with him would sit out the race. He noted the tight 2008 Democratic contest in which Barack Obama upset Hillary Clinton, concluding, “They kept their eyes on the prize, which is the presidency.”


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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Rand Paul 2016!

TEA Party Reveler  posted on  2015-01-17   0:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TEA Party Reveler, hondo68 (#1) (Edited)

Rand Paul 2016!

Senator Rand Paul announced that he would seek re-election to the United States Senate in 2016.

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-17   0:19:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

McCotter believes the GOP will find a way to integrate libertarian activists who care about government surveillance the way it once assimilated evangelical Christians who cared about abortion.

Well, what they did to the pro life crowd was just tell them words, with all that the pro lifers got from them, they still couldn't get a cup of coffee.

If its just a bunch of empty words about the leviathan fedgov, then dont bother, just save your breath, that crap wont work with your target audience. It may piss off some canaries who actually believe that more freedom will be coming, but since they live in perpetual fear anyways, no one will notice.

Canaries, the beta bird of the animal world.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-01-17   0:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#2)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   0:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Palmdale (#4) (Edited)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

Or have his beloved Daddy make the effort for him.
We know how influential his Daddy was in Congress.
Old Ron did get ONE bill passed ... one SINGLE bill.
Check out: Ron Paul's Long Record of Glorious Failures in Congress.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-17   0:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#0)

In the past, Republicans might have used “libertarian” as a codeword for moderate. Arlen Specter, for example, liked to describe himself as an “economic-fiscal conservative and a social libertarian.”

Snarlin Arlen liked to describe himself as anything other than what he was,a weasel and a Dim.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-17   9:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68, TEA Party Reveler, sneakypete, Dead Culture Watch (#0)

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-17   9:48:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#7)

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   10:48:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard, Y'ALL (#7)

Libertarians are diligently plotting to take over the world, (in order) to leave you alone.

Great line, factual concept.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-17   10:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tpaine (#9)

I love the way the alleged Republican/alleged conservative Party People rant and rave about "Libertarians" being anarchists,while claiming THEY follow the Founding Fathers.

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians. Otherwise we would have never had a Bill of Rights or a Republic.

They have no idea how hypocritical they sound ranting about "deys to mucha dat freedum stuff going on out dare wid dem dam Libertarians" while calling themselves conservatives.

In THIS country to be a conservative means you ARE a Libertarian.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-17   13:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#10)

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians.

Hamilton and a few others were Big Gov advocates, to build things like the Erie Canal (failure) and the intercontinental railroad (to use Obola's term).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-18   19:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians.

No they weren't. They were mostly christian.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#10)

Otherwise we would have never had a Bill of Rights or a Republic.

Just because you open your mouth and spout nonsense doesn't make it true.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#10)

They have no idea how hypocritical they sound ranting about "deys to mucha dat freedum stuff going on out dare wid dem dam Libertarians" while calling themselves conservatives.

You should look at your posts. You come across as an activist for homosexuals. I'm not saying you are one you just champion their cause.

You also come across as someone who hates kids. i mean killing your kid is self defense. That is demented Pete.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#10)

In THIS country to be a conservative means you ARE a Libertarian.

Actually it doesn't. Libertarians are for immoral freedom. Conservatives are for moral freedom. Killing your kid or pretending two dudes make a family and are married is evil, stupid, intellectually lazy.

Don't mean to pick on you Pete but you are saying some pretty dumb stuff.

Hey I agree with you on some things. For example the Roku is a pretty neat device. So we don't disagree on everything.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#11)

Hamilton and a few others were Big Gov advocates, to build things like the Erie Canal (failure) and the intercontinental railroad (to use Obola's term).

How does wanting to build efficient transport system that improve commerce and make Americans lives mean they weren't Libertarians?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians.

No they weren't. They were mostly christian.

You don't know or understand much about that Jesus fella if you don't think he preached a libertarian message.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Otherwise we would have never had a Bill of Rights or a Republic.

Just because you open your mouth and spout nonsense doesn't make it true.

Take off the blinders,Stone.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#14) (Edited)

You should look at your posts. You come across as an activist for homosexuals. I'm not saying you are one you just champion their cause.

I champion individual freedoms and liberty.

I have no control over how you or anyone else interprets that.

Here is a simple concept that you can maybe understand/

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

You also come across as someone who hates kids. i mean killing your kid is self defense. That is demented Pete.

That means you would rather see your wife or daughter die giving birth,than have them abort the potential baby?

Yes,or no?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Libertarians are for immoral freedom

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

You can always count on dictators to give you all the freedom they think you need.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   21:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

Bzzzzzzt. Hitler felt he was beyond good and evil.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   21:09:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#16)

How does wanting to build efficient transport system that improve commerce and make Americans lives mean they weren't Libertarians?

The Canal was recognized as a failure less than a decade after it was built. An early Big Gov failure.

Similarly, the transcontinental railroad project failed several times before it was finally complete. The process was as much accident as design and a lot of mistakes were made.

Those with a more libertarian bent would have more doubts about these projects and would look for more ways to accomplish these same goals through the private sector.

Another failure of the early era was the Pony Express. We are taught about these early projects but not of their failures. Generally, you would conclude from their treatment in standard histories as though these were all blazing successes when they were anything but.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-18   21:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#19) (Edited)

Off Topic Moderator X

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#18)

Just because you open your mouth and spout nonsense doesn't make it true.

Take off the blinders,Stone.

Are you claiming to be an oracle or some kind ofseer?

Because no one knows what would happen in history if you change some factors.

Pure lunacy to think you know something about something that never was.

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#20)

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

The state has decided that murder and stealing are immoral and made laws against it.

i guess you should be free from those restraints if it conflicts with your libertarian loserosophy.

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#5)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections. He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

You think?

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#20)

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

You can always count on dictators to give you all the freedom they think you need.

When Reagan was President we didn't have queers pretending to be married.

When the founders were here they would never have tolerated fags pretending to be married.

Are we more free now or them?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   22:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#19)

I champion individual freedoms and liberty.

No you support pretend rights that forces bakers to bake cakes for people they don't want to.

That is the consequence of what you ignorantly believe.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   22:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#19)

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

That statement cannot be true.

We had slaves and other people were free at the same time.

Freedom doesn't mean you get to change the meaning of words to fit your titillation of the day.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   22:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Excalibur, Palmdale (#26)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

This is true. However, some effort will probably be made by Rand Paul and/or his supporters to change this law.

He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

You think?

You will need to ask Palmdale, the quote is his opinion.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-18   22:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Excalibur (#26)

Yep.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   22:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Palmdale (#21) (Edited)

Hitler felt he was beyond good and evil.

Fred N. was only watering the seed that sprouted on someone Else's watch.

http://www.google.com/#q=Luther+the+jews+and+their+lies

"Are you not aware the angels dance when a Jew farts"

What does this mean?

VxH  posted on  2015-01-18   22:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#19)

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

We are either all rich,or none of us are rich.

We are either all sober,or none of us are sober.

We are either all sleeping,or none of us are sleeping.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   22:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: VxH (#32)

"Are you not aware the angels dance when a Jew farts"

What does this mean?

How many guesses do I get?

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   22:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Palmdale (#34)

How many guesses do I get?

Probably take a lot fewer if we just read Mein Kampf and connect the ideological dots.

"3. Luther and the Jews

It is imperative for the Lutheran Church, which knows itself to be indebted to the work and tradition of Martin Luther, to take seriously also his anti-Jewish utterances, to acknowledge their theological function, and to reflect on their consequences. It has to distance itself from every [expression of] anti-Judaism in Lutheran theology. In this, attention must be given not only to his polemics against the Jews but also to all places where Luther simplistically set the faith of the Jews as "works-righteousness" over against the gospel."
http://www.jcrelations.net/Chris...f+Bavaria.2377.0.html?L=3

VxH  posted on  2015-01-18   22:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#29)

We had slaves and other people were free at the same time.

Thomas Jefferson inherited slaves but wasn't free to free them because somebody else owned them... or at least the mortgage on them.

VxH  posted on  2015-01-18   22:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: VxH (#36)

Thomas Jefferson inherited slaves but wasn't free to free them because somebody else owned them... or at least the mortgage on them.

Plus it was against the law to manumit slaves in the state of Virginia, for the slaves' protection.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   23:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Palmdale (#21)

Bzzzzzzt. Hitler felt he was beyond good and evil.

So do you.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   6:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#38)

So do you.

We are either all sober,or none of us are sober.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   6:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: TooConservative (#22)

The Canal was recognized as a failure less than a decade after it was built. An early Big Gov failure.

It's still being used all these decades later. Doesn't sound like a failure to me.

Similarly, the transcontinental railroad project failed several times before it was finally complete.

Mostly or totally due to political corruption and selling favors for kickbacks. The people involved had no interest in finishing on budget or on time because that would cut their cash flow off.

The process was as much accident as design and a lot of mistakes were made.

See the above.

Those with a more libertarian bent would have more doubts about these projects and would look for more ways to accomplish these same goals through the private sector.

Is that a fancy way of saying there would have been even more corruption and pay-offs,and it would have NEVER gotten built?

Fact it,you want to live in theoretical perfect Libertarian anarchist world where nobody is in charge and everything works. This world doesn't exist and will never exist,because like communism it goes against human nature.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   6:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Excalibur (#24)

Are you claiming to be an oracle or some kind ofseer?

No. I am claiming to be a rational human being that looks at things with a open mind and picks the best course of action based on the available options,not my personal biases.

I don't expect the world to work the way I wish it would work merely because I wish it would work that way. I don't follow dogma.

You should try it sometime.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   6:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Excalibur (#25)

The state has decided that murder and stealing are immoral and made laws against it.

No,it didn't. The PEOPLE decided this and demanded the state make those things illegal. The state went along because you can't have a civilized and peaceful society if things like murder and theft were to go unpunished. The result of ignoring those actions would be anarchy.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   6:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#27)

When Reagan was President we didn't have queers pretending to be married.

You can't possibly be that ignorant. Queers were pretending to be married thousands of years ago.

This may come as a major shock to you,but marriage predates Christianity.

When the founders were here they would never have tolerated fags pretending to be married.

And you know this,how? What writings have you discovered where they discussed this?

Are we more free now or them?

We haven't been free since The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964 was signed into law.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   7:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#28)

I champion individual freedoms and liberty.

No you support pretend rights that forces bakers to bake cakes for people they don't want to.

Are you just ignorant,or knowingly lying? I have posted the exact opposite of what you just claimed dozens of times,the most recent being right here of LF yesterday.

Given the way you are attracted to any thread with the word "homosexual" in it like iron filings to a magnet,I know you read it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   7:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#29)

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

That statement cannot be true.

We had slaves and other people were free at the same time.

And WHY do you think that changed? Think MAYBE it was because enough people finally realized that any government that had the power to enslave blacks also had the power to enslave whites?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   7:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Palmdale (#33)

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

We are either all rich,or none of us are rich.

We are either all sober,or none of us are sober.

We are either all sleeping,or none of us are sleeping.

Ok,you have either a 2nd or 3rd rate mind,and can't comprehend the difference between a personal state of being and the authority of the state to control our lives.

I know all this is too complex for you,so maybe you would just be better off ignoring posts like that from this point on?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   7:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Palmdale (#37)

Plus it was against the law to manumit slaves in the state of Virginia, for the slaves' protection.

There were free blacks that were either freed slaves or the descendants of freed slaves fighting for the Confederacy during The Northern War of Aggression.

There is even a black Confederate cemetery somewhere in southern Virginia.

IIRC,a black slave from Virginia was awarded the highest valor away by General Washington for his courage during the Revolutionary War,and also given his freedom and enough land to farm.

It IS true that freed blacks all over had to pretty much stay in local communities of freed blacks,and if they traveled to where they weren't known they needed to take their papers with them that proved citizenship,and it was best to travel with a white man so they wouldn't be stopped and asked who they were and what they were doing. Sadly,there were many reports of freed slaves being caught away from home and sold into slavery again.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   7:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Palmdale (#39)

We are either all sober,or none of us are sober.

Family slogan?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   7:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: sneakypete (#40)

Is that a fancy way of saying there would have been even more corruption and pay-offs,and it would have NEVER gotten built?

That's ridiculous. The economic demand would have created it more efficiently but at a slower pace via the private market.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-19   7:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: VxH (#36)

Thomas Jefferson inherited slaves but wasn't free to free them because somebody else owned them... or at least the mortgage on them.

Wasn't that Washington whose wife inherited slaves and a small plantation? Washington found it difficult to manage and didn't like slavery at all, thought it bad for the country. As I recall, they were freed upon his death.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-19   7:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TooConservative (#49)

That's ridiculous. The economic demand would have created it more efficiently but at a slower pace via the private market.

LReally? Who would have been in charge?

I can answer that. It would have been the Railroad barons and they would have created a monopoly so they controlled all the traffic and collected all the money.

The result would have been no small businessman would have been able to afford the shipping fees and the barons would have bought them out after they went bankrupt and created other monopolies.

The result of that would have been higher prices for everything that traveled on the canal.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   7:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: sneakypete, Willie Green (#51) (Edited)

The result would have been no small businessman would have been able to afford the shipping fees and the barons would have bought them out after they went bankrupt and created other monopolies.

So you imagine, never taking account of how canal shippers used government largesse to dominate their own market, may have actually bought out competitors with their profits, as compared to you merely making up this scenario of the evil railroad barons who might have engaged in monopolistic practices if the Canal had not been built.

Why are railroad barons so bad but canal barons are so good?

You're doing a reverse-Willie here. The railroad barons benefited from heavy Big Gov subsidy exactly as the canal barons did.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-19   7:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: sneakypete (#45)

We are either all free,or none of us are free. That statement cannot be true.

We had slaves and other people were free at the same time.

And WHY do you think that changed? Think MAYBE it was because enough people finally realized that any government that had the power to enslave blacks also had the power to enslave whites?

No that was not the reason in my view.

But that isn't what we were talking about.

So you acknowledge that this statement is false.

"We are either all free,or none of us are free."

Your own words just admitted it was a false statement.

I can appreciate your sentiments that we should all be free.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-19   8:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: sneakypete (#42)

you can't have a civilized and peaceful society if things like murder and theft were to go unpunished.

Then you are the problem. You are for abortion.

You call murdering your kid self defense.

Thanks for playing. You have painted yourself into a corner. You aren't for liberty. You are an anarchist that thinks murder is ok in some instances.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-19   8:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: sneakypete (#44)

I champion individual freedoms and liberty. No you support pretend rights that forces bakers to bake cakes for people they don't want to.

Are you just ignorant,or knowingly lying? I have posted the exact opposite of what you just claimed dozens of times,the most recent being right here of LF yesterday.

Given the way you are attracted to any thread with the word "homosexual" in it like iron filings to a magnet,I know you read it.

Let me phrase that better for you.

You support pretend rights, and in doing that the results will undoubtedly be making people bake cakes for queers. You may not support the idea that people should be forced to bake a cake for some freak. But in your support of special privelages for some people in the country based on what kind of sex they have. You and your ilk are the genesis of bakers being forced to bake.

While you may say and actually support the bakers in these matters. Your support of queers having special rights is what makes this possible. And you know it is inevitable when/if your pro homosexual agenda comes to fruition.

And on your last snarkypete comment. I am attracted to threads with the words "sneakypete" in them.

Anyway have a good day Pete. Nothing personal here.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-19   9:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: sneakypete (#46)

Ok,you have either a 2nd or 3rd rate mind,and can't comprehend the difference between a personal state of being and the authority of the state to control our lives.

I know all this is too complex for you,so maybe you would just be better off ignoring posts like that from this point on?

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   10:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#52)

You're doing a reverse-Willie here.

I'm afraid you pinged me too late to the discussion because I can't follow along with all the different points that you two have been batting back & forth.

So regarding the topic of this thread about "Libertarians taking over the Republican Party": let me first say that "hijack" is a better word than "taking over". And unlike McCotter, I have no intention of sharing a Big Tent and sleeping bag with those morally and ethically bankrupt vermin.

Now I'm not gonna get into a length discussion of the difference between a big "L" and small "l" libertarian, nor the difference between a left-leaning or a right-leaning libertarian. I AM however, refering to those who can be accurately described as neo-confederate Birchers. I'm afraid I simply find their extremist worldview to be morally objectionable and reprehensible.

"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."

Willie Green  posted on  2015-01-19   10:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: sneakypete (#47)

There is even a black Confederate cemetery somewhere in southern Virginia.

IIRC,a black slave from Virginia was awarded the highest valor away by General Washington for his courage during the Revolutionary War,and also given his freedom and enough land to farm.

Unfortunately these accomplishments appear to be the zenith of Black achievement in America. Unless you buy into Black History Myth, er...Month.

Vinny  posted on  2015-01-19   10:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: sneakypete (#47)

Sadly,there were many reports of freed slaves being caught away from home and sold into slavery again.

That was a risk associated with manumission, but not the one driving the creation of Virginia's anti-manumission laws. The problem lay in the slave owners who would "free" slaves who were old, ill, or disabled. Those homeless souls, no longer capable of working and taking care of themselves, would wind up in the public alms houses. Such former slaves would become ptax burdens, sorta like an early version of Social Security tparasites.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   10:33:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TooConservative (#52)

Why are railroad barons so bad but canal barons are so good?

I can't believe you can take a honest look at history and then write such nonsense.

First off,it was a LACK of government control that allowed the robber barons to steal so much land from citizens and steal so much money from the government itself.

Secondly,the corruption involved in the Erie Canal was a mud puddle compared to the ocean of corruption it would have been without the government getting involved. The disputes between the counties and states alone would have led to armed insurrection,and it would have never been completed in your dream anarchist world.

NO theory of government is worth a damn that doesn't take human nature into consideration.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   15:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: A K A Stone (#53)

But that isn't what we were talking about.

It sure as hell is an example of what *I* was talking about.

So you acknowledge that this statement is false.

"We are either all free,or none of us are free."

Of course not. If I did I would be lying. If you can't understand that the statement applies to free society and government,I have no idea of how to explain it to you.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   15:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#54)

Then you are the problem. You are for abortion.

No,YOU are the problem because you are so dogmatic you refuse to debate without changing the terms of the debate to suit your biases.

I'm done with you on this. Even if you can understand the concepts I am writing about you refuse to accept them,so why bother? My time would be better spent trying to teach mules how to tap dance than debate an issue with someone who only wants to preach a sermon.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   15:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Palmdale (#56)

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein

UHHHHH,Heinlein was talking about himself ruling himself as an individual,not about a system of government.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   15:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#54)

You are an anarchist that thinks murder is ok in some instances.

And you are a robot that lacks the ability to tell the difference between self-defense and murder.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   15:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#55)

I champion individual freedoms and liberty. No you support pretend rights that forces bakers to bake cakes for people they don't want to.

Are you just ignorant,or knowingly lying? I have posted the exact opposite of what you just claimed dozens of times,the most recent being right here of LF yesterday.

Given the way you are attracted to any thread with the word "homosexual" in it like iron filings to a magnet,I know you read it.

Let me phrase that better for you.

You can't because you don't understand it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   15:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Vinny (#58)

Unfortunately these accomplishments appear to be the zenith of Black achievement in America.

I disagree. They made great strides in America once they gained their freedom back,and there were thriving legitimate black businessmen and citizens running very nice and safe neighborhoods where most parents were married,and the children growing up had respectable role models to look up to as models for their own futures.

Then 1964 and the Civil Wrongs Act of 1964 became law,and at the urging of their black leaders,mostly preachers who were promised a taste of all the "free money" that would flowing through their hands,sold themselves back into slavery on the Dim Plantation.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   16:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: hondo68 (#0)

Did the article really mean "liberaltarians'?

"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-19   16:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: sneakypete (#63)

UHHHHH,Heinlein was talking about himself ruling himself as an individual,not about a system of government.

Squirmy.

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   16:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Palmdale, sneakypete, Y'ALL (#68)

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.” ― Robert A. Heinlein.

UHHHHH,Heinlein was talking about himself ruling himself as an individual,not about a system of government. --- sneakypete

Squirmy. ---- palmsquirm

Poor Palmey, he imagines that anyone declaring himself a responsible individual is a squirmy anti-constitutional.

That mental aberration is known as transference.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-19   16:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: redleghunter (#67)

"liberaltarians'?

No, libertarian conservatives...

Goldwater, Reagan, and Buckley


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-19   16:32:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: hondo68 (#70) (Edited)

No, libertarian conservatives...

Reagan was a Conservative. It is revisionist history to call him of the libertarian brand.

"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-19   16:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: redleghunter (#71)

Reagan was a Conservative. It is revisionist history to call him of the libertarian brand.

Wait for it. They'll post the following Reagan quote, typically leaving off the second paragraph.

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so- called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

"Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   17:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: redleghunter (#71)

It is revisionist history to call him of the libertarian brand

From the horses mouth...


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-19   17:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Palmdale (#72) (Edited)

Wait for it. They'll post the following Reagan quote, typically leaving off the second paragraph. [1975 Reason Magazine interview]

Oddly enough, he kept saying that he was a libertarian conservative, in interviews for years. Got a conspiracy theory to cover that?


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-19   17:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: hondo68 (#74)

Got a conspiracy theory to cover that?

He rejected self-proclaimed libertarians who were "almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy."

Got a conspiracy theory to cover that?

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   18:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Palmdale, hondo68 (#75)

He rejected self-proclaimed libertarians who were "almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy."

Who didn't and doesn't?

You are purposely being disingenuous when you try to claim all or most people who call themselves Libertarians are anarchists,but that's what you need to do to maintain your own political stances and protect them.

ANY sane person over 12 years old knows there has to be some sort of organized government and rules to be enforced to protect the public.

What is important is which side of the divide you fall on in most cases,the side of "You're not the boss of me!" like some sort of petulant 8 year old,or the side that thinks the government exists to promote their viewpoints and punish anyone that doesn't agree with them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   19:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: sneakypete (#76)

Who didn't and doesn't?

The LP. Read their platforms over the years.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   19:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: hondo68, tpaine (#73)

Good video. I am not convinced Reagan was of the same mind of a post modern libertarian. He believed in a strong national defense, overseas national interests, did not conceive the thought of pot legalization and most importantly advocated the overturn of Roe vs Wade.

You have libertarians like tpaine who would like "Creator" erased from the Declaration of Independence. Reagan would never entertain such. He would call todays libertarians Democrats, Republicans Rockefellers, and the Democrats Marxist.

30 years ago the labels meant different things.

"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-19   21:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: redleghunter (#78)

You have libertarians like tpaine who would like "Creator" erased from the Declaration of Independence.

That's a flat out lie, and you know it. We were discussing that phrase in the declaration, and I remarked that the it still made perfect sense without mention of a specific god, a Creator, --- while acknowledging that indeed, there must be a creator.

What in hell is your purpose, what do you gain, by putting out such a petty lie about me and libertarians? Get a grip on your silly overly religious zeal.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   0:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: tpaine (#79)

But the entire statement on rights is null and void if you take out "Creator." You would then have to take out "endowed" or add some other 'force' endowing. And the 'human spirit' or good will of the people can't be it as George III was part of that subset.

"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-20   0:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: redleghunter (#80) (Edited)

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...comment.cgi?an=37160&cn=0

This was our original discussion on a different thread. Anyone that bothers to read it will see your petty lie.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-20   0:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: tpaine (#81)

Endowed by what exactly? Something or Someone is endowing.

"Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." Gregory of Nyssa

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-20   1:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: TooConservative (#50)

Wasn't that Washington whose wife inherited slaves and a small plantation? Washington found it difficult to manage and didn't like slavery at all, thought it bad for the country. As I recall, they were freed upon his death.

Evidently Jefferson and Washington had similar feelings on the issue, but unlike the wealthy Washington, Jefferson's debt prevented him from being able to free what he did not own. 



"When Jefferson inherited about twenty slaves from his father in 1764, Virginians had been working their plantations primarily with black slave labor since the beginning of the century. In 1774, Jefferson inherited 135 more slaves from his father-in-law, John Wayles, who had been directly involved in the importation of enslaved Africans into Virginia. This practice was not prohibited until 1778, by an act drafted by Jefferson himself.

[snip] Because Jefferson died deeply in debt, most of the other members of the Monticello African-American community were sold at auction and dispersed among different owners in Albemarle and surrounding counties. "

 www.monticello.org/site/j...son/jefferson-and-slavery

"At the time of George Washington’s death, the Mount Vernon estate’s enslaved population consisted of 318 people. Washington himself had been a slave owner for fifty-six years, beginning at eleven years of age when he inherited ten slaves from his deceased father. Washington’s thoughts on slavery were contradictory and changed over time. This evolution culminated near the end of his life; Washington’s will mandated the freeing of his slaves upon his wife’s death, making him the only slaveholding Founder to put provisions for manumission in his will."

www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/


VxH  posted on  2015-01-20   21:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: VxH (#83)

Washington himself had been a slave owner for fifty-six years, beginning at eleven years of age when he inherited ten slaves from his deceased father.

Nice research. I was unaware that Washington inherited slaves from such an early age.

That must have been shortly after he chopped down that cherry tree that we've lectured The Children about ever since.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   3:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: sneakypete (#64)

And you are a robot that lacks the ability to tell the difference between self-defense and murder.

You aupport the snuffing out of innocent children. Regardless of how old the child is.

Killing your kid isn't self defense. Self defense is when some old grouch atheist comes up to you to steal your roku, because his is broken. Then you put him down like an old dog.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   9:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: A K A Stone (#85)

Killing your kid isn't self defense. Self defense is when some old grouch atheist comes up to you to steal your roku, because his is broken. Then you put him down like an old dog.

I seem to recall someone chiding me the other day about this sort of thing...

At least Fred talked me off the ledge.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   10:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: A K A Stone (#85)

Killing your kid isn't self defense.

1: It's not a kid until it has been born. Until then it is only a potential kid.

2:Since it is only a growth inside her body and endangering her life,removing it IS self-defense,just like removing a cancerous tumor.

Self defense is when some old grouch atheist comes up to you to steal your roku, because his is broken. Then you put him down like an old dog.

You can't even get that right. Killing somebody for stealing isn't self-defense. It is defense of property,not life.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   10:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: sneakypete (#87)

1: It's not a kid until it has been born. Until then it is only a potential kid.

Proving that you are a moron. It isn't a kid, but 1 minute later it is a kid. Science never was your strong point.

You support murdering innocent kids. That have nothing to defend themselves with. That is one of the reasons you will burn. Because you deserve it.

You can always repent if you so choose. It would be the wise thing to do. I hope you get right in the head Pete. I really do.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   10:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: sneakypete (#87)

2:Since it is only a growth inside her body and endangering her life,removing it IS self-defense,just like removing a cancerous tumor.

Yes a baby is just a tumor. Like you continually demonstrate. You are not only the enemy of law and morality but of science.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   10:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: sneakypete (#87)

You can't even get that right. Killing somebody for stealing isn't self-defense. It is defense of property,not life.

Tell that to the dead man who was put down like an old grouch even though he was a young black man. He just wanted the dudes shoes. He received a bullet instead.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   10:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#88)

Proving that you are a moron. It isn't a kid, but 1 minute later it is a kid. Science never was your strong point.

Oh,the irony!

You support murdering innocent kids. That have nothing to defend themselves with. That is one of the reasons you will burn. Because you deserve it.

Getting wood over thinking about it,ain't ya?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   10:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: A K A Stone (#89)

Yes a baby is just a tumor.

It's not a baby. It's a fetus.

Speaking of science,what branch of science is it that states "Life begins at erection."?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   10:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: A K A Stone (#90)

Tell that to the dead man who was put down like an old grouch even though he was a young black man. He just wanted the dudes shoes. He received a bullet instead.

You probably think that makes sense,don't you?

1: That's not just stealing because you have to physically assault or threaten someone's life to steal their shoes.

2: What fantasy world is it that you live in that has young black thugs lusting after old man's shoes?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   10:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: sneakypete (#91)

Getting wood over thinking about it,ain't ya?

No Pete. I actually like you and acknowledge that you have some good characteristics.

It is just a couple or 3 subjects that you remain willingly ignorant.

Issues that I consider important.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   10:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: sneakypete (#93)

Police in Miami Township, in Montgomery County, said Jawaad Jabbar, 16, was at the Dayton Mall Saturday with some other teens attempting to get a pair of new, limited-release Air Jordan’s that were going on sale.

Watch this story | Watch police news conference

When he failed to get in line in time to get a pair of shoes, police said, Jabbar decided to rob someone who had the shoes. He approached two men just outside the mall and showed a gun, police said.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/police-teen-killed-at-dayton-mall-was-trying-to- rob-man-of-shoes/30352428

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   11:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: sneakypete (#93)

That's not just stealing because you have to physically assault or threaten someone's life to steal their shoes.

I agree. I didn't put in every detail about the roku above.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   11:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: sneakypete (#92)

It's not a baby. It's a fetus.

People like to pretend. You are one of them.

It's not a baby. It's a fetus.

It's not a human it's a nigger.

Same argument. You have no shame.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   11:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#87)

your roku

So did you ever get your wireless to connect to the TV or Roku from the metal shop building 100' away? I recall the discussion at LP. You got some good advice there from several people.

You owe us a followup.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   11:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: TooConservative, sneakypete (#98)

I have a roku. Also got the chromecast. The chromecast seems much better at streaming content from your desktop/harddrive. I use the chromecast much more. There is an app for chromecast called videostream. It is a great app.

I've had the roku for a lot longer though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   11:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Palmdale (#72) (Edited)

They'll post the following Reagan quote, typically leaving off the second paragraph.

Reagan :

"But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-21   11:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Deckard (#100)

"But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

Where's the rest of the paragraph?

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   11:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: sneakypete (#92)

It's not a baby. It's a fetus.

fe·tus
noun
an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   11:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Palmdale (#101) (Edited)

Where's the rest of the paragraph?

What he said in the paragraph was all well and good, but he reiterates that conservatism and libertarianism are following the same path.

You do understand that, right?

Your agenda here seems to paint libertarians as "anarchists".

Nobody but you and the other neocons statists are buying that load of malarkey.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-21   11:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Deckard (#103)

What he said in the paragraph was all well and good, but he reiterates that conservatism and libertarianism are following the same path

So where's the rest of the paragraph?

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   11:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Palmdale (#104)

So where's the rest of the paragraph?

You really are too stupid and lazy to google things for yourself.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   12:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: TooConservative (#105)

You really are too stupid and lazy to google things for yourself.

That's your fallback line every time you are busted. Therefore you use it a lot.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   13:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Palmdale (#106)

You really are too stupid and lazy to google things for yourself.

That's your fallback line every time you are busted. Therefore you use it a lot.

I typically use Yahoo or Bing rather than Google, but none reach into the nether world of this poster's musings.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-01-21   13:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Palmdale (#77)

"The LP. Read their platforms over the years."

The older the better.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-01-21   14:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: no gnu taxes, Palmdale (#107) (Edited)

I typically use Yahoo or Bing rather than Google, but none reach into the nether world of this poster's musings.

You two really need some supervision while surfing the interwebs.

DDG: "But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

The seventh entry from that DDG search:

Reason: Inside Ronald Reagan, 1975

Halfway down the webpage, you'll find the entire paragraph you were too dumb to find on your own.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   14:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: TooConservative (#109)

Nothing in this explains why you claim that Ron Paul beleives that the domestic immigration policies of France are what has caused their Muslim terrorist issues. He believes that everyone should allow these murdering savages to just do what they want.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-01-21   14:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: no gnu taxes, TooConservative (#110)

Nothing in this explains why you claim that Ron Paul beleives that the domestic immigration policies of France are what has caused their Muslim terrorist issues.

I cannot find it there either. I can't find anywhere Ron Paul said the he believed France's immigration polices cause the Muslim terrorist issues.

I where Ron Paul said that France's "bad foreign policy invites retaliation" in the form of the shooting at Charlie Hebdo.

You can "stretch" (as some do) and say that immigration policy is foreign policy.

Born Free  posted on  2015-01-21   14:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: misterwhite (#108)

"The LP. Read their platforms over the years."

The older the better.

They're like the Scientologists of politics. Don't talk about the giant clams until you've got the sucker hooked.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   15:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: TooConservative (#109)

Halfway down the webpage,

Still terrified to quote it. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   15:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Born Free (#111)

You can "stretch" (as some do) and say that immigration policy is foreign policy.

Or they can use Rand's statement to Hannity, then stretch and say that Rand and Ron share genetic makeups.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   15:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Palmy, gaylin, boing flea, mo nu taxes (#114)

Ron Paul is living in your head, rent free, 24/7/365.

Pwned!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-01-21   15:53:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: hondo68 (#115)

IT'S HAPPENING

Uh huh

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   16:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: misterwhite, sneakypete, Y'ALL (#108)

What is important is which side of the divide you fall on in most cases,the side of "You're not the boss of me!" like some sort of petulant 8 year old,or the side that thinks the government exists to promote their viewpoints and punish anyone that doesn't agree with them. --- sneakypete

Who didn't and doesn't? The LP. Read their platforms over the years. --- palmsnark

The older the better --- misterwhite

Yep, the old Libertarian Party is gradually learning from their mistakes. But no matter, soon that party will be absorbed into the GOP, and you authoritarians will be froze out.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-21   18:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: hondo68, Palmdale (#115)

misterwhite  posted on  2015-01-21   18:11:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Born Free (#111)

You can "stretch" (as some do) and say that immigration policy is foreign policy.

For France and Algeria, it's the same. Also, domestic policy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-21   18:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: A K A Stone (#94)

Issues that I consider important.

Nobody,least of all me,is trying to claim you don't have a right to consider those issues important.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   18:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#95)

When he failed to get in line in time to get a pair of shoes, police said, Jabbar decided to rob someone who had the shoes. He approached two men just outside the mall and showed a gun, police said.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/police-teen-killed-at-dayton-mall-was-trying-to- rob-man-of-shoes/30352428

Thanks!

I love a story with a happy ending.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   18:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: A K A Stone (#97)

It's not a human it's a nigger.

Same argument.

No,it's not. You just refuse to see it because it doesn't fit with your particular form of PC.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   18:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: TooConservative (#98)

So did you ever get your wireless to connect to the TV or Roku from the metal shop building 100' away?

I would get lousy reception one day,and none at all the next.

I decided to just quit trying to fight gravity,and bought 200 feet of Cat6 ethernet cable,new ends,and the crimping tool. Lowes had the flexible waterproof conduit on sale at 35 cents a foot,so I bought 100 feet of it and going to run it underground from the house to the shop.

Since I now have the Cat6 ethernet cable,the crimpers,and the ends,I am going to cut wires to the correct length and get away from wireless altogether.

Yesterday I was downloading at 3 megs,but some days I get about half of that. I figure going back to wired instead of wireless will give me more consistent service and be more secure,too.

BTW,I pick up 39 channels with my RCA HD antenna that I paid 45 bucks for. TVFOOL.COM has my closest station at 20 miles away,but the rest are all between 40 and 45 miles away. I get perfect reception with all of them with no booster.

The antenna is mounted about 15 feet off the ground. I cut a piece of aircraft heat-treated aluminum (because it's what I had handy) about 10 inches by 15 inches,and pop-riveted the antenna mount to the aluminum,and then riveted the aluminum to the shop wall. I even ran a triple 10 gauge copper wire from the surge protector attached to the antenna to a 4 foot long brass rod driven 4 feet into the ground,and then ran a CL2 In-Wall Rated (CM) Quad Shielded RG6 Coaxial cable from the antenna to the tv in the shop,cut it to length,and crimped a new end on it.

I wasn't all that trilled about having to buy a 125 foot steel fish tape to I could pull the ethernet cable from the house to the shop,but I found a Klein for 42 bucks,and figured it was a hell of a buy on a Klein and I could probably use it to pull auto wiring and other stuff. Besides,it would have cost me more than that to have hired somebody to just pull the cable for me. Now I have spent less money and still have the tool to use on other stuff.

Since I have been wearing a knee brace the last few days,and may be going in for surgery to my shoulder soon,there is no way in hell I am digging the trench. I just hired a friend tonight to come over and dig it for me next week.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   19:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: A K A Stone (#99)

The chromecast seems much better at streaming content from your desktop/harddrive.

Really? I have read that it doesn't offer the flexibility of the ROKU,but to be honest didn't really pay much attention because I already had the ROKU and wasn't going to spend money I didn't have to spend.

Which ROKU do you have? I was using a 2,but then updated to a 3. I plan on moving the 2 out to my shop.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   19:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Palmdale (#102)

unborn human baby

A contradiction in terms. It's not a baby until it is born.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   19:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: sneakypete (#125)

A contradiction in terms. It's not a baby until it is born.

Stupid dictionaries.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-21   19:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: sneakypete (#124)

I have roku 3.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   20:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: A K A Stone (#127)

I have roku 3.

And you like the google chrome better?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-21   21:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: sneakypete (#128)

And you like the google chrome better?

I use it more now.

I really like an app called videostream.

It seems like most of those roku channels and probably all of them eventually are available on the chromecast too, as apps.

I may just use it more because I have it on the main tv and the roku back int the bedroom.

Chromecast is only 35 bucks so you can't really go wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-21   23:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: A K A Stone (#129)

You have TV in the bedroom?

Thanks for telling everyone you have no sex life.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-01-21   23:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: sneakypete (#123)

Nice update on your shop. You won't regret going wired. More snoop-proof too.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   3:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#129)

Chromecast is only 35 bucks so you can't really go wrong.

Amazon Fire Stick is an interesting product at $39. I was comparing these units yesterday.

It's tied to Amazon but you can reflash it to XBMC which I always loved.

Faster and more powerful dual-core CPU than Chromecast or Roku with much more flash drive than either (8GB flash). And you can miracast (screen share) anything from an Android phone/tablet.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   3:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: A K A Stone (#129)

I really like an app called videostream.

It seems like most of those roku channels and probably all of them eventually are available on the chromecast too, as apps.

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   4:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: TooConservative (#132)

Amazon Fire Stick is an interesting product at $39. I was comparing these units yesterday.

Huh? I saw them on sale on the Amazon main page the other day for $79. Have they really dropped the price that much in less than a week?

I'm betting more than a few of the people that bought them "on sale" at 79 bucks will be returning them for a refund.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   4:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: sneakypete (#134)

The Fire Stick is cheap to compete with Roku Stick and Chromecast.

They sell a nicer unit called Fire Box. Same functionality but has a voice-activated remote and better hardware for $80-$100, varies somewhat.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   4:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: sneakypete (#133)

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

TV's can have apps too. Very easily if they run Android OS.

Much easier is to use a cellphone with Android 2.3 or later (all Android smart phones except the ancient ones) and just Miracast it onto your screen directly.

Many TVs can already do Miracast natively. Your newest TV may be one of them if it is less than 2 years old.

NFC and Miracast in 2013 Smart TVs NFC & Miracast built into 2013 Smart TVs

These new TV remotes typically have NFC and Miracast (Android's answer to Apple's AirPlay). Just tap your cellphone on the TV remote and it instantly takes over and streams directly onto the big screen.

We could check if your latest TV and cellphone are capable. Tell me their brand and model if you want me to search for it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   4:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: TooConservative (#135)

They sell a nicer unit called Fire Box. Same functionality but has a voice-activated remote and better hardware for $80-$100, varies somewhat.

OK,THAT was the one that was on sale for 79 bucks. Thanks!

Sorry for the confusion.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   5:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: TooConservative (#136)

We could check if your latest TV and cellphone are capable. Tell me their brand and model if you want me to search for it.

My new shop tv is a 24 inch VIZIO E241i-B1 24-Inch 1080p 60Hz Smart LED HDTV that has built in netflix,youtube,amazon and other apps.

I just don't understand how I could add more apps to it if I wanted to.

My phone is a LG-VS450PP,Verizon special I paid 79 bucks for.

My house tv is a Samsung 58C500G2F plasma tv.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   5:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: sneakypete (#133)

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

On chromecast you control it from your computer. Then it sends it to your Television which has the chromecast plugged in.

It will send anything on your screen to your TV. Not just Youtube and apps etc.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-22   7:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: sneakypete (#138)

My new shop tv is a 24 inch VIZIO E241i-B1 24-Inch 1080p 60Hz Smart LED HDTV that has built in netflix,youtube,amazon and other apps.

It's cute, built off a Yahoo Widgets setup they've been using for several years.

I just don't understand how I could add more apps to it if I wanted to.

Most likely by doing a flash upgrade to the sets' OS. I also see mention that in December 2013, Vizio rolled out an upgrade to most Vizio smart TVs via internet to add some features.

I'm never thrilled with these websites from tech giants but Vizio's site is not very helpful at all.

So I think no Miracast to your Vizio TV from your Android phone.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   8:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#139)

It (Chromecast) will send anything on your screen to your TV. Not just Youtube and apps etc.

I thought it would just fling Netflix/Hulu/etc. to your big screen or broadcast a single tab from the Chrome browser on your computer.

That's how it was the last I heard.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-22   9:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: A K A Stone (#139)

I know about apps on a cell phone,but how do you do apps on a television?

On chromecast you control it from your computer. Then it sends it to your Television which has the chromecast plugged in.

It will send anything on your screen to your TV. Not just Youtube and apps etc.

Ok,that makes sense.

I'm guessing it has to be a "smart tv"?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-22   19:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: sneakypete (#142)

Ok,that makes sense.

I'm guessing it has to be a "smart tv"?

No it doesn't have to be a smart tv. It just has to have hdmi port. A usb port would be good to for power, if not there is an adaptor to plug it into wall included.

By the way I actually bought several for christmas presents at 23 bucks a pop. Everyone loved them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-22   21:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: A K A Stone (#143)

No it doesn't have to be a smart tv. It just has to have hdmi port. A usb port would be good to for power, if not there is an adaptor to plug it into wall included.

Thanks.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-23   8:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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