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Title: Libertarians Are Taking Over The Republican Party
Source: The Daily Caller
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/15/l ... ing-over-the-republican-party/
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:08:54 by Hondo68
Keywords: Libertarian Republicans, come to an accommodation, national aspirational message
Views: 75459
Comments: 144

Former Michigan Republican Rep. Thaddeus McCotter says his party’s future belongs to the libertarians.

It’s a message McCotter has been spreading in interviews and to anyone who’ll listen. He’s even laid out his case in a smart book, “Liberty Risen: The Ultimate Triumph of Libertarian-Republicans, where he claims libertarians even have something to say to the Budweiser-drinking, boxer-wearing, pro-life, Boston sheet metal worker.

Most Republicans who hype the libertarian moment are libertarians themselves. Not McCotter. He is a Russell Kirk-quoting social conservative. “I’m not a libertarian,” he jokes. “I just play one on TV.” But while fellow social conservatives like Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum slam libertarianism, McCotter believes the GOP will find a way to integrate libertarian activists who care about government surveillance the way it once assimilated evangelical Christians who cared about abortion.

“When I was still in Congress I noticed younger Republicans saying, ‘I am a conservative, but I’m libertarian on some issues,’” McCotter told The Daily Caller. “They hadn’t grown up with Reagan and seen how [conservatism] had worked. All they had seen was the decline of the Republican Party.”

“Now if you read your Russell Kirk, you can’t be both a libertarian and a conservative at the same time,” he added. “But America being what it is, you can be whatever you want.”

In the past, Republicans might have used “libertarian” as a codeword for moderate. Arlen Specter, for example, liked to describe himself as an “economic-fiscal conservative and a social libertarian.” But libertarian is no longer a Republican euphemism.

“Moderate Republicans would like Common Core,” McCotter told TheDC. “Libertarian Republicans wouldn’t like it.”

According to McCotter, the shift isn’t just political and generational. It’s mainly cultural. “The 21st century doesn’t operate top down,” he said. “You wouldn’t let someone else program your iPod. Why let a top-down bureaucracy choose your health care?” The consumer-driven, highly personalized economy will eventually have an impact on a bureaucracy mostly designed in the distant past. He quotes Andrew Breitbart as saying, “Politics is downstream from culture.”

The Libertarian Party won’t go away, he said, but libertarians who actually want to govern will do so as Republicans, like presidential candidate and former 12-term Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Michigan Rep. Justin Amash.

Libertarian Republicans can come to an accommodation with social conservatives, McCotter said — note that all of the above libertarian GOPers are pro-life. Even when they disagree on the substance of a social issue, he argued they can agree federal judges shouldn’t be the final arbiters of morality. He also believes “the failure of the neoconservative movement and even some of the realist movement” and a “war-weary” country gives libertarians an opening on foreign policy by appealing to voters who want to “crush the terrorist threat there without creating a government threat here.”

That doesn’t necessarily mean Rand Paul will be the next Republican presidential nominee, however. “2016 may be too soon,” McCotter told TheDC. “In many ways, Senator Paul has an advantage in that his father was the pioneer, in other ways it’s a disadvantage.”

“Libertarian Republicans need a national aspirational message,” McCotter said. “That’s hard to do, because libertarians are so individualistic.” Purist libertarians will resist, but liberals and conservatives aren’t immune to infighting over ideological points themselves.

If Rand Paul did win the nomination, McCotter doubts many Republicans who disagree with him would sit out the race. He noted the tight 2008 Democratic contest in which Barack Obama upset Hillary Clinton, concluding, “They kept their eyes on the prize, which is the presidency.”


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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Rand Paul 2016!

TEA Party Reveler  posted on  2015-01-17   0:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TEA Party Reveler, hondo68 (#1) (Edited)

Rand Paul 2016!

Senator Rand Paul announced that he would seek re-election to the United States Senate in 2016.

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-17   0:19:24 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

McCotter believes the GOP will find a way to integrate libertarian activists who care about government surveillance the way it once assimilated evangelical Christians who cared about abortion.

Well, what they did to the pro life crowd was just tell them words, with all that the pro lifers got from them, they still couldn't get a cup of coffee.

If its just a bunch of empty words about the leviathan fedgov, then dont bother, just save your breath, that crap wont work with your target audience. It may piss off some canaries who actually believe that more freedom will be coming, but since they live in perpetual fear anyways, no one will notice.

Canaries, the beta bird of the animal world.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-01-17   0:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin (#2)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   0:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Palmdale (#4) (Edited)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

Or have his beloved Daddy make the effort for him.
We know how influential his Daddy was in Congress.
Old Ron did get ONE bill passed ... one SINGLE bill.
Check out: Ron Paul's Long Record of Glorious Failures in Congress.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-17   0:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#0)

In the past, Republicans might have used “libertarian” as a codeword for moderate. Arlen Specter, for example, liked to describe himself as an “economic-fiscal conservative and a social libertarian.”

Snarlin Arlen liked to describe himself as anything other than what he was,a weasel and a Dim.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-17   9:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: hondo68, TEA Party Reveler, sneakypete, Dead Culture Watch (#0)

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-01-17   9:48:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#7)

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   10:48:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard, Y'ALL (#7)

Libertarians are diligently plotting to take over the world, (in order) to leave you alone.

Great line, factual concept.

tpaine  posted on  2015-01-17   10:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tpaine (#9)

I love the way the alleged Republican/alleged conservative Party People rant and rave about "Libertarians" being anarchists,while claiming THEY follow the Founding Fathers.

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians. Otherwise we would have never had a Bill of Rights or a Republic.

They have no idea how hypocritical they sound ranting about "deys to mucha dat freedum stuff going on out dare wid dem dam Libertarians" while calling themselves conservatives.

In THIS country to be a conservative means you ARE a Libertarian.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-17   13:17:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#10)

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians.

Hamilton and a few others were Big Gov advocates, to build things like the Erie Canal (failure) and the intercontinental railroad (to use Obola's term).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-18   19:29:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians.

No they weren't. They were mostly christian.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#10)

Otherwise we would have never had a Bill of Rights or a Republic.

Just because you open your mouth and spout nonsense doesn't make it true.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#10)

They have no idea how hypocritical they sound ranting about "deys to mucha dat freedum stuff going on out dare wid dem dam Libertarians" while calling themselves conservatives.

You should look at your posts. You come across as an activist for homosexuals. I'm not saying you are one you just champion their cause.

You also come across as someone who hates kids. i mean killing your kid is self defense. That is demented Pete.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#10)

In THIS country to be a conservative means you ARE a Libertarian.

Actually it doesn't. Libertarians are for immoral freedom. Conservatives are for moral freedom. Killing your kid or pretending two dudes make a family and are married is evil, stupid, intellectually lazy.

Don't mean to pick on you Pete but you are saying some pretty dumb stuff.

Hey I agree with you on some things. For example the Roku is a pretty neat device. So we don't disagree on everything.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   19:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#11)

Hamilton and a few others were Big Gov advocates, to build things like the Erie Canal (failure) and the intercontinental railroad (to use Obola's term).

How does wanting to build efficient transport system that improve commerce and make Americans lives mean they weren't Libertarians?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)

The Founding Fathers for the most part WERE Libertarians.

No they weren't. They were mostly christian.

You don't know or understand much about that Jesus fella if you don't think he preached a libertarian message.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Otherwise we would have never had a Bill of Rights or a Republic.

Just because you open your mouth and spout nonsense doesn't make it true.

Take off the blinders,Stone.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#14) (Edited)

You should look at your posts. You come across as an activist for homosexuals. I'm not saying you are one you just champion their cause.

I champion individual freedoms and liberty.

I have no control over how you or anyone else interprets that.

Here is a simple concept that you can maybe understand/

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

You also come across as someone who hates kids. i mean killing your kid is self defense. That is demented Pete.

That means you would rather see your wife or daughter die giving birth,than have them abort the potential baby?

Yes,or no?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   20:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Libertarians are for immoral freedom

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

You can always count on dictators to give you all the freedom they think you need.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-18   21:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

Bzzzzzzt. Hitler felt he was beyond good and evil.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   21:09:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#16)

How does wanting to build efficient transport system that improve commerce and make Americans lives mean they weren't Libertarians?

The Canal was recognized as a failure less than a decade after it was built. An early Big Gov failure.

Similarly, the transcontinental railroad project failed several times before it was finally complete. The process was as much accident as design and a lot of mistakes were made.

Those with a more libertarian bent would have more doubts about these projects and would look for more ways to accomplish these same goals through the private sector.

Another failure of the early era was the Pony Express. We are taught about these early projects but not of their failures. Generally, you would conclude from their treatment in standard histories as though these were all blazing successes when they were anything but.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-01-18   21:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#19) (Edited)

Off Topic Moderator X

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#18)

Just because you open your mouth and spout nonsense doesn't make it true.

Take off the blinders,Stone.

Are you claiming to be an oracle or some kind ofseer?

Because no one knows what would happen in history if you change some factors.

Pure lunacy to think you know something about something that never was.

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#20)

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

The state has decided that murder and stealing are immoral and made laws against it.

i guess you should be free from those restraints if it conflicts with your libertarian loserosophy.

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#5)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections. He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

You think?

Excalibur  posted on  2015-01-18   21:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#20)

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin would have happily agreed with you that the state has the right to decide which "freedoms" are moral or immoral.

You can always count on dictators to give you all the freedom they think you need.

When Reagan was President we didn't have queers pretending to be married.

When the founders were here they would never have tolerated fags pretending to be married.

Are we more free now or them?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   22:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#19)

I champion individual freedoms and liberty.

No you support pretend rights that forces bakers to bake cakes for people they don't want to.

That is the consequence of what you ignorantly believe.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   22:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#19)

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

That statement cannot be true.

We had slaves and other people were free at the same time.

Freedom doesn't mean you get to change the meaning of words to fit your titillation of the day.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-18   22:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Excalibur, Palmdale (#26)

Kentucky's current law says "no candidate's name shall appear on any voting machine or absentee ballot more than once," except for certain special elections.

This is true. However, some effort will probably be made by Rand Paul and/or his supporters to change this law.

He'll just run to federal court and demand the law be overturned.

You think?

You will need to ask Palmdale, the quote is his opinion.

Gatlin  posted on  2015-01-18   22:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Excalibur (#26)

Yep.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   22:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Palmdale (#21) (Edited)

Hitler felt he was beyond good and evil.

Fred N. was only watering the seed that sprouted on someone Else's watch.

http://www.google.com/#q=Luther+the+jews+and+their+lies

"Are you not aware the angels dance when a Jew farts"

What does this mean?

VxH  posted on  2015-01-18   22:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#19)

We are either all free,or none of us are free.

We are either all rich,or none of us are rich.

We are either all sober,or none of us are sober.

We are either all sleeping,or none of us are sleeping.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   22:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: VxH (#32)

"Are you not aware the angels dance when a Jew farts"

What does this mean?

How many guesses do I get?

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   22:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Palmdale (#34)

How many guesses do I get?

Probably take a lot fewer if we just read Mein Kampf and connect the ideological dots.

"3. Luther and the Jews

It is imperative for the Lutheran Church, which knows itself to be indebted to the work and tradition of Martin Luther, to take seriously also his anti-Jewish utterances, to acknowledge their theological function, and to reflect on their consequences. It has to distance itself from every [expression of] anti-Judaism in Lutheran theology. In this, attention must be given not only to his polemics against the Jews but also to all places where Luther simplistically set the faith of the Jews as "works-righteousness" over against the gospel."
http://www.jcrelations.net/Chris...f+Bavaria.2377.0.html?L=3

VxH  posted on  2015-01-18   22:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#29)

We had slaves and other people were free at the same time.

Thomas Jefferson inherited slaves but wasn't free to free them because somebody else owned them... or at least the mortgage on them.

VxH  posted on  2015-01-18   22:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: VxH (#36)

Thomas Jefferson inherited slaves but wasn't free to free them because somebody else owned them... or at least the mortgage on them.

Plus it was against the law to manumit slaves in the state of Virginia, for the slaves' protection.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-18   23:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Palmdale (#21)

Bzzzzzzt. Hitler felt he was beyond good and evil.

So do you.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   6:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#38)

So do you.

We are either all sober,or none of us are sober.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-19   6:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: TooConservative (#22)

The Canal was recognized as a failure less than a decade after it was built. An early Big Gov failure.

It's still being used all these decades later. Doesn't sound like a failure to me.

Similarly, the transcontinental railroad project failed several times before it was finally complete.

Mostly or totally due to political corruption and selling favors for kickbacks. The people involved had no interest in finishing on budget or on time because that would cut their cash flow off.

The process was as much accident as design and a lot of mistakes were made.

See the above.

Those with a more libertarian bent would have more doubts about these projects and would look for more ways to accomplish these same goals through the private sector.

Is that a fancy way of saying there would have been even more corruption and pay-offs,and it would have NEVER gotten built?

Fact it,you want to live in theoretical perfect Libertarian anarchist world where nobody is in charge and everything works. This world doesn't exist and will never exist,because like communism it goes against human nature.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-01-19   6:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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