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Title: Breaking: U.S. Supreme Court will rule on gay ‘marriage’ issue
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/b ... ill-rule-on-gay-marriage-issue
Published: Jan 16, 2015
Author: Ben Johnson
Post Date: 2015-01-17 00:00:11 by redleghunter
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Views: 71733
Comments: 155

After more than a decade of legal wrangling and a burst of judicial activism that overturned the will of the voters in dozens of states, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed on Friday to rule on whether same-sex “marriage” is an unalienable constitutional right.

Justices announced Friday that they had consolidated four cases from the states of Ohio, Tennessee, Michigan, and Kentucky, scheduling two hearings for April.

According to the Court's document, the first 90-minute session will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex?” The second session, scheduled to last one hour, will ask, “Does the Fourteenth Amendment require a state to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-state?”

The move comes after the High Court declined to hear a series of appeals in October, leaving states where judges had redefined marriage without legal recourse. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg hinted at a public hearing that justices could weigh in on the issue if lower court rulings began to conflict.

In November, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Ohio, upheld the constitutionality of constitutional marriage protection amendments in four states – the four states where the justices agreed to hear appeals on Friday.

Court watchers expect a ruling before the end of the court's term in late June.

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#1. To: GarySpFC, TooConservative, Vicomte13, liberator, Don, BobCeleste, Uncle Siggy, Orthodoxa, out damned spot, A K A Stone (#0)

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redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-17   0:02:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#1)

You get one guess how our National Theology Board will rule?

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-01-17   0:08:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GarySpFC (#2)

Too easy. They will cave and take more states rights away.

I thought we had 4 or 5 Catholics on the court. Bad investment.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-01-17   0:10:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter, GarySpFC (#3)

They will cave and take more states rights away.

I thought we had 4 or 5 Catholics on the court. Bad investment.

You know that I do not endorse the gay lifestyle. But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have. I hope that you realize that every marriage that is recognized by the state is de facto nothing more than a civil union, even marriages perfomed by churches or other religious institutions. It is only the religious institutions that add an extra dimension to that state sanctioned civil union according to the beliefs of the respective religion, which do not in any way limit or enhance recognition of the legality and/or rights and privileges of the state sanctioned civil union.

In other words, in the eyes of the state all civil unions are equal whether performed by the secular or the religious, except those that are expressly denied by the state (e.g. - polygamy). And what is the basis for the state banning polygamy?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   14:50:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SOSO (#13)

But please tell me the Constitutional basis for depriving gays the same rights that straight people have.

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   15:50:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Palmdale (#15)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers.

Of course it is. Please re-read it.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:12:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SOSO (#18)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers. Of course it is. Please re-read it.

How can it be if the states created the constitution.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:15:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)

The Constitution is not the basis for state and municipal powers. Of course it is. Please re-read it.

How can it be if the states created the constitution.

Technically the states did not create the Constitution the states just ratified it. It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:26:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SOSO (#22)

It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution.

With people sent by the states to do it.

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-01-17   17:42:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Or are you saying the constitution was illegal and recreated the states?

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. But I agree that in some manner the states did create at least part of the Consitution as many states would not ratify the orignal document without adding the Bill of Rights.

"It was the Constitutional Convention that actually created the Consitution. With people sent by the states to do it."

Let's not get Obamaesque about this and say that God created the Consitution or that the electorate created it.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   17:49:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SOSO (#30)

But I agree that in some manner the states did create at least part of the Consitution as many states would not ratify the orignal document without adding the Bill of Rights.

"But it is universally understood, it is a part of the history of the day, that the great revolution which established the Constitution of the United States was not effected without immense opposition. Serious fears were extensively entertained that those powers which the patriot statesmen who then watched over the interests of our country deemed essential to union, and to the attainment of those invaluable objects for which union was sought, might be exercised in a manner dangerous to liberty. In almost every convention by which the Constitution was adopted, amendments to guard against the abuse of power were recommended. These amendments demanded security against the apprehended encroachments of the General Government -- not against those of the local governments. In compliance with a sentiment thus generally expressed, to quiet fears thus extensively entertained, amendments were proposed by the required majority in Congress and adopted by the States. These amendments contain no expression indicating an intention to apply them to the State governments."

https://supr em e.justia.com/cases/federal/us/32/243/case.html

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:00:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Palmdale (#34)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:05:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: SOSO (#38)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

Yes. You don't.

Palmdale  posted on  2015-01-17   18:07:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Palmdale (#42)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

Yes. You don't.

Then please educate me.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17   18:17:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#53. To: Palmdale (#46)

Do you inderstand how the Constitutional Convention came about and why?

Yes. You don't.

Then please educate me.

I will help you out. Here is what I know about why the Constitutional Convention came about:

Constitutional Convention, (1787), in U.S. history, convention that drew up the Constitution of the United States. Stimulated by severe economic troubles, which produced radical political movements such as Shays’s Rebellion, and urged on by a demand for a stronger central government, the convention met in the Pennsylvania State House in Philadelphia (May 25– September 17, 1787), ostensibly to amend the Articles of Confederation. All the states except Rhode Island responded to an invitation issued by the Annapolis Convention of 1786 to send delegates. Of the 74 deputies chosen by the state legislatures, only 55 took part in the proceedings; of these, 39 signed the Constitution. The delegates included many of the leading figures of the period. Among them were George Washington, who was elected to preside, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, James Wilson, John Rutledge, Charles Pinckney, Oliver Ellsworth, and Gouverneur Morris.

Discarding the idea of amending the Articles of Confederation, the assembly set about drawing up a new scheme of government but found itself divided, delegates from small states (those without claims to unoccupied western lands) opposing those from large states over the apportionment of representation. Edmund Randolph offered a plan known as the Virginia, or large state, plan, which provided for a bicameral legislature with representation of each state based on its population or wealth. William Paterson proposed the New Jersey, or small state, plan, which provided for equal representation in Congress. Neither the large nor the small states would yield. Oliver Ellsworth and Roger Sherman, among others, in what is sometimes called the Connecticut, or Great, Compromise, proposed a bicameral legislature with proportional representation in the lower house and equal representation of the states in the upper house. All revenue measures would originate in the lower house. That compromise was approved July 16.

The matter of counting slaves in the population for figuring representation was settled by a compromise agreement that three-fifths of the slaves should be counted as population in apportioning representation and should also be counted as property in assessing taxes. Controversy over the abolition of the importation of slaves ended with the agreement that importation should not be forbidden before 1808. The powers of the federal executive and judiciary were enumerated, and the Constitution was itself declared to be the “supreme law of the land.” The convention’s work was approved by a majority of the states the following year.

In other words, the country was failing under the Articles of Confederation primarily because the Federal govenrment as established by the AoC was too weak to effectively govern the Republic. It was widely recognized that the Federal government needed more central powers if the Republic was to survive. The Constitutional Convention was convened to correct the short comings of the AoC in that regard.

You may try to prove this understanding wrong if you wish. I will listen and be open to changing my understading if you have the facts to justify such.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-17 18:47:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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