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Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post
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Published: Jan 12, 2015
Author: Sneakypete and TooConservative
Post Date: 2015-01-12 16:37:59 by tpaine
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Views: 118591
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>> TooConservative-- Before you just shut it down, have you done any tally of results? Just eyeballing it, it looks like tpaine is probably above 60%. >> Sneakypete---- Seems to ME that if TPaine is serious he would quit being a wuss and stand up like a man and say he will accept a 51 percent vote tally by regular posters as a victory and step up to the plate. ----It isn't me that would have to be a man and take all the bullshit... It would be the moderator. And my choice for mod would have been TooConservative, or Sneakypete, or even better, both of you. ----Tell you what, if you two take over mod/tech functions, I'd be willing to put up the money for the first year as the 'owner', and take responsibly for any legal problems we might encounter. >> After all,he has never pretended to be anything other than a Libertarian with a "Big L",and since when have Bil L Libertarians ever demanded a 75 percent vote for anything? -----I've never belonged to the big 'L' party. I consider myself a constitutional libertarian, who votes (mostly) republican. >> In MY mind,if he doesn't man up and and accept ownership if he gets the majority of the votes,he was never serious about it to start with. ---I'll call your bluff. Put up (joining me, as above) or shut up about man-ing up. >> I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion. ---Here's your chance to put your man-ing up with your mouth. How bout it?
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#1. To: TooConservative, Sneakypete, and all you men who want to be mods. (#0)
I hope someone can ping Pete for me, at LP...
tpaine, why do you want ownership of LP? Why not start your own site? I am new to this forum. Do you find something lacking here that compels you to have your own site?
He has an account here but hasn't posted since October. He says he's coming over here.
I really do NOT want to run (moderate) a web site. --- Try reading my post again. Pete is rubbing in my 'lack' of manliness, and I'm calling his bluff. If Pete and TC would be mod/tech's, I would do the owner bit, for a year, just for laughs.. So in that sense, this is serious. --- But don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
Trust me, I won't. If I may ask, what laughs were you hoping to get out of owning LP for a year?
Read the comments over at Liberty Post on my 'take over' (from my perspective), and you'll see the humor.. I was truly laughing aloud at many points...
Give it a rest, Windbag. You were booted over there, the lights are going out, and you don't need to bring you petty crap over here.
One of your favorites here: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
It's ranks at the top of the Chick library but lacks the playful frivolity of Chick's Death Cookie. Sounds like Vic is coming over.
You're continuing the idiotic kettle/black practice of the gatlin faction at LP. Find someone else to bother, or, ---- go hide behind the bozo function.
He's been here for a few weeks. Heh neh (nasily French tone) the Vicomte flag is firmly planted ere on LF:)
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
I have as I was one of the active participants in the dialogue. It seems to me that you had a lot of support for your ownership bid. I had no objection to you taking ownership of LP. Too bad TooConservative appears to have been correct about you not being serious.
Not really sure what that is. Is it a conspiracy or is it too hard for you to believe someone else thinks you are a tiresome windbag?
Are you aware of the thread you're posting on? -- Just above I made a serious offer to both TC and S'Pete about hosting LP for another year. If they want to do it, I'm in for the money (probably about $300 for the year). Granted, that ain't much anymore, but it would seriously cramp my fine wine fund.
Hardly. So pray tell, what vintages do you have in your fine wine fund?
That windbag line was worn out at LP by SOD/palmdale, who I'm betting you never heard of either.
You have to pardon my doubting you. But expecting LP's herd of cats to agree 75% on any question seemed a bit much. It's a moot point now. I think the election was held and Neil said close it down. His was the vote that actually counted.
If they want to do it, I'm in for the money (probably about $300 for the year). Granted, that ain't much anymore, but it would seriously cramp my fine wine fund. It is clear you aren't serious now, nor have you ever been about spending a dime on the forums you tirelessly post your windbaggery. Goldi-Lox once called you a "pain in the ass" for your endless 'look at me' exchanges about donating a paltry $100 to LP. You never donated it either. Your continued endless drollery is so very tiresome. Why do you have to come here and bring your personal petty nonsense along with your enormous waste of bandwidth? Tiresome. Boring. Windbag.
For $300 to put a dent in his 'fine wine' fund I would wager it is a case of December 2014 vintage Ripple.
You'll never know. And they're in my wine cellar, after I buy them with the funds. I'm presently collecting boxes of fine merlot.
Ah, some of the world's finest merlots come in boxes.
Yep, that's exactly what SOD posted recently over at LP. Thanks for outing yourself.
Truly a connoisseur of fine wine. Had he been honest and not trolling for attention, he would have dazzled us with the most long winded of posts detailing his expertise in fine wine. It is little wonder LP rejected him and that few thought his offer to be even serious.
Thanks for outing yourself. Your expert detective work is simply amazing. Please enlighten us as to how you made your deduction in your familiar long winded style. I'll try not to fall asleep as I read it.
Good luck with that.
Little sensitive over that,bubba? Even though I voted for you as the new owner,I came to believe you were just playing games about it or you would have accepted majority vote. The kicker was after somebody mentioned the 100 dollar donation to LP bet that you made and never paid off.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I believe the wine in boxes has a superior flavor to the wine that comes in aluminum pop-top cans. Maybe that's just me,though?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I really do NOT want to run (moderate) a web site. --- Try reading my post again. Pete is rubbing in my 'lack' of manliness, and I'm calling his bluff. If Pete and TC would be mod/tech's, I would do the owner bit, for a year, just for laughs.. So in that sense, this is serious. --- But don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen. Over what, bubba, you saying 'man up'? Big hat, no cattle. Man up and tell us what you think of my idea about LP. WE, --- meaning you, TC, and I still could 'accept', and I'd bet the sysadmin over there would turn the site over to us. That 'somebody' was SOD... I never made such an unconditional bet. The conditions were never fulfilled, and I never made a donation. -- And I'm not proud of that fact, the way things turned out.
Spoken like a true anarchist that he is. After all who or what is more important the "me".
Thanks for outing yourself. Possibly. This poster seems far too civil to be SOD, but of course it could be an act. We'll know soon enough if he starts ranting and raving about "kooks", i.e, Libertarians and "Truthers".
"if you're not cop, you're little people" Maybe that's just me,though? Au contraeu, the Rossi merlot, vintage 2014, is a particularly fine wine.
Ron Paul is an "anarchist"? After all who or what is more important the "me". Does the concept of individual liberty cause you to wet your panties? Or are you just one of those "it takes a village" types?
"if you're not cop, you're little people" Possibly. This poster seems far too civil to be SOD, but of course it could be an act. See post #26 on this thread. I believe sneakypete could also be SOD based on tpaine's analysis. Please, can we stop the LP bickering here? It's still open for business. You can argue there all you want until tomorrow.
You sure as sensitive about that term. Why? Goldi ran that same web site for years. How "manly" was SHE? Women runs tens of thousands of web sites. I may be wrong,but I think your idea was to pose and cause conflict. Based mainly on the fact that you never paid up on the bet you lost. If you do that once,you will do it often. WE, --- meaning you, TC, and I still could 'accept', and I'd bet the sysadmin over there would turn the site over to us. Not anymore. It's over. Besides,with my temper who would seriously consider me as a mod? Besides,as a moderator I really wouldn't be able to join in on any discussions. Moderators have to/should stay personally aloof from all the dust being raised. How else can they remain impartial and fair? Even if they were,there would be a segment that would never believe I didn't moderate in order to enforce my personal POV instead of trying to lower the noise ratio. I never made such an unconditional bet. Ahhh,the devil is in the details! I freely admit I only paid casual interest in the events leading up to that bet and the precise details that defined it,but I do remember to the casual viewer (me) it sure as hell looked like you lost and refused to pay up. And I'm not proud of that fact, the way things turned out. Nor should you be,but I do give you credit for admitting you didn't pay up. And dancing around and complaining about "fine details" does you no credit. You lost and refused to pay off a measly 100 dollar donation to LP bet. Your own sense of pride and self-respect should have forced you to pay up to avoid questions being asked,and the fact that you didn't pay up does not speak well for your character. If you can't be trusted to pay off a lousy 100 bet,how can you be trusted to do anything else you say you will do?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I offered to Mod or to pay expenses or to give up my votes to tpaine. All to no avail.
Or are you just one of those "it takes a village" types? Yeah,that described me alright! If there is one thing I'm known for it's not making waves and going with the flow.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
LOL!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I know,and I admit that I was surprised. Good on you.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Or are you just one of those "it takes a village" types? Yeah,that described me alright! If there is one thing I'm known for it's not making waves and going with the flow. I think you misunderstood - that comment was directed to SOSO concerning his calling RP an "anarchist".
OOPS! My apologies. I do have to admit that given my tag line I couldn't figure out why you would think I don't like Ron Paul.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Not true, the JBT sysy censored some of my remarks just today.
I really do NOT want to run (moderate) a web site. --- Try reading my post again. Pete is rubbing in my 'lack' of manliness, and I'm calling his bluff.
Yes,numbnuts. You trying to pass yourself off as a victim. You made the bet,you lost the bet,and now you are trying to pass yourself off as a "victim of a technicality. It remind me of Bubba Bill defending his perjury by claiming "It all depends on what the definition of "is",is". I expected better of you.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
When taken to excess yes. Do you believe that in all things at all times me is more important than we? BTW, can the wise cracks and snipes as I give as good as I get, usually much better. I am probably one of the more liberty minded people that you will meet. I will be happy to have a civil conversation with you about the limits of me over we and vice versa if you wish.
NO, --- that was the gatlin groups version of what happened. It is bullshit, and for some odd reason you've swallowed it. You're going beyond the line with your suppositions, and I don't have a clue why you're doing it. -- Something else bothering you, bubba? More unsupported bullshit from a strangely disturbed fella. I expected better from you. It appears we're both disappointed about each other's character. --- BFD. -- I'll learn to live with your odd opinion of mine. I suggest you do the same.
sneakypete do you go to forums just to fight or to post about political/news issues?
Trying to pick a fight already,comrade?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Trying to pick a fight already,comrade? Seriously? Come one. Post an article from the news or some such. Arguing over a cyber dare/bet? Lame. Waste of time.
Just received a couple of emails from the Sysadmin-LP, -- in his first he tried to apologize for any 'unnecessary aggravation' he had caused me. I replied that being unfairly banned from websites was no big deal (twice in 18 years?, shrug) but that because he called me a criminal, I couldn't accept his apology, - - although I thanked him for the amusing 'election'.... His reply: ---- What a sweetheart, -- I hope he gets absolution from some confessor, but he won't get it from me.
I guess you were just too much trouble to bother dealing with. See any pattern there?
I'd guess you don't have a clue about my problems with JR at FR, and with the Sysadmin-LP.
He's ashamed of how he conducted himself overall. He was dishonest and his generally low character surfaced. Now he wants to act all nonchalant and above it all. What a phony.
Thanks for your support. Oh, I forgot, -- I'd appreciate it if someone here would repost this lovely last message from the sysadmin, over at LP's 'Last Post'. Some there may be enlightened that my "phony" offer helped him to shut LP down.
Oh, I forgot, -- I'd appreciate it if someone here would repost this lovely last message from the sysadmin, over at LP's 'Last Call' nostalgia fest.. Some there may be enlightened that my "phony" offer helped him to shut LP down.
Not at all. He chickened out. You do realize that tomorrow is the last day of Goldi's annual DNS subscription? sysadmin had already renewed it, apparently under his own name. I advised against this. I think he finally realized that the only thing about LP that was Goldi's was the domain name (libertypost.org & .net). So he's closing it at noon tomorrow because at midnight tomorrow night, he would be using Goldi's pilfered property for his own purposes, however innocent those might actually be. You weren't any legal threat to him compared to the actual legal peril he put himself in. And what do you suppose would happen the first time he made someone really really mad? They'd make complaints that he pilfered the domain name, might make fiduciary complaints against him concerning the handling of a deceased person's property. And that domain name was the only part of LP that Goldi actually owned and that had a real value, however negligible. But by turning the domain into a memorial, no one can say that he took it for himself unlawfully. And he never actually wanted it to begin with anyway. The DNS issue and his own bizarre ever-changing election with new candidates and new options and new scoring methods ending in complete tatters were why he pulled the plug. That and Neil telling him to close it. Neil's vote probably counted more than the rest of us put together because they knew each other personally for about 15 years. And for all his whining about how awful we were and how awful all his friends thought we were, he actually did almost no moderating at all. He pulled the plug at noon on the 14th because Goldi's DNS expires at midnight. The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.
I hope you post your opinion on his 'last call' thread soon. I'd like to see his reaction…
Why bother? He'd just spin another set of self-serving half-truths. He might even be able to make himself believe they're true. Look at that mutating election and how he kept ridiculously telling us how fair it was, how it was exactly what you wanted...he was obviously an experienced (but inept) blame-shifter. But a coincidence of shutting down within 12 hours of the new DNS ownership under his own name taking effect? At best, the odds are 1 in 730 in any given year that that could happen in a single 12 hour period. That's a lot of coincidence in my book.
Neil just banned SOD. LOL! That stupid old drunk couldn't control himself.
sysadmin had already renewed it, apparently under his own name. To what end is The Game played? Future considerations of 'Liberty Post' as a tangible asset? Is there the suggestion that the shuttering of LP is beyond mere "sentimentality"?
Isn't this like getting tossed out of a game with .01 left on the clock? Too little, too late.
Not really. Just keeping his name clear of it or any possible complaints of domain hijacking. That isn't something that someone in networking professionally wants on his professional resume, for whatever reason.
Should have whacked Final Authority too! What a retard neocon ahole!
Could it be considered "inherited" by default? By a working/personal association? Then why not just offer to sell/surrender the whole kit and caboodle at some later date? Or is this a question of authority? Odd situation and end result in any case. Especially after the whole voting. I guess some kind of liability always lurks in the background... In the alternative, I wonder if it's possible that Gilligan threatened some kind of legal action out of malice or covetous envy...
Banjo Boy/byeltsin leaves his final posting of gibberish in hopes that someone fifty years from now can translate it.
Boris is going to babble to LP's final seconds, like the crew members going down with the Titanic.
Well, he can surrender it to the estate's appointed lawyer if asked. But he certainly couldn't do that if he had bought it himself and then resold it to tpaine or Pericles. That situation is what likely determined the outcome and the sudden pulling of the plug. Line up the incentives and chart the path of least resistance and the lowest threat level and that is what people will always choose, almost without exception.
In the alternative, I wonder if it's possible that Gilligan threatened some kind of legal action out of malice or covetous envy... Gilligan? Who he? Why is it that practically everybody here delights in using nicknames for names that are already pseudonymous handles?
I think Gilligan is Gatlin, as in you were gatlinized to sysadmin, who in turn banned you.
Or perhaps he is tearfully downing immense quantities of booze as he posts his drunken non-haikus in the hope that he will at last understand his own incoherent scribblings before the plug is pulled and the last thing he sees as the screen fades is a single exclamation point. ! Poor Boris, first he lost his beloved Canaries and now the site itself will fade away. He may have used Sterno as a mixer for his vodka as he spewed out his last desperate post at LP.
That was my first reaction too, --- gatlin was always a barracks lawyer type, and I'd bet he put the legal threat idea for banning me, in sysadmin's head. What I don't understand though, is what gatlin thought he gained by the shut down. I'm sure he's here, and I wish he'd tell us all.
Yes, you are very funny. The admins wanted to keep LP going, then you came with your proposal, things got messy and admins decided to kill LP. Congratulations!
Wonder how long it will take for him to get the boot here?
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
And they just happened to suddenly pull the plug 12 hours before Goldi's DNS name expired, at best a 1:730 chance in a given year. Coincidence? Don't kid yourself.
And they just happened to suddenly pull the plug 12 hours before Goldi's DNS name expired, at best a 1:730 chance in a given year. Coincidence? Don't kid yourself. For those of us not as nearly enlightened, will you please explain your ascertainment. Motive has reason...what is it?
The only thing Goldi actually owned was the domain name and control of the database. There are fiduciary laws that deal with people appropriating the property of deceased persons. I tried to tell them that they should place an advance order to snap up libertypost.org as soon as it expired. That might be considered a little unethical but completely legal. As of midnight, all that sysadmin does at LP is on his own head. In addition, if he did sell (or give) the domains to tpaine or Pericles, he couldn't surrender them. And troublemakers could always try to denounce him to the DNS authorities at ICANN as a domain thief. I tried to explain these angles but was probably too longwinded and got ignored. But I did it well before he renewed those domain names under his own name.
Having not followed the situation, what you were talking about in the abbreviated post makes sense now.
Good point. You should make it over there. I think TC posted a good part of it just above, at #55? -- That too should be posted at LP, although they'd probably delete it immediately.
I wouldn't call it "shameful." But what you said about the real legal repurcussions of assuming ownership makes sense, so I agree that shutting LP down and putting up a memorial is the only thing that makes sense. Maybe one of these days Goldi's true family and next-of-kin will come across it and be comforted by the cyber-tribute left behind in her memory.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to shameful rather quickly. Whenever Gatlin came up with a scary sounding tale, he'd jump. A puppet on a string.
Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... if ever there was proof for the old maxim "Truth is stranger than fiction," it's gotta be LibertyPost. LOL! If you didn't participate in that bizarre soap opera for the last dozen years, there simply ain't no way you'd ever understand or believe it.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Maybe we can let Sven and SOD have the last-banned-at-LP honors for themselves.
hondo68 (#80) ---- sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness to sysadmin... -- willy Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.
Das macht nichts... you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Awwwww... c'mon now... in all fairness, - the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP. No true, Willy... The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial. Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies. Would you?
You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy? "JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules." That's reality, not denial. No sense pissin' in the wind over it.
"Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
You're simply in denial. Exactly, I didn't want to 'own' a site where 25% disapproved of my policies. Would you? Yep, I believe we can function under a republican form of rules, and govt. Democracies, (as you like them) don't work You really liked JR's cesspit, didn't you? Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone. You're digging your denial hole deeper.
Originally... back before Y2K "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Question it all you want. "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Zing!
I've always liked Buchanan too, and I doubt he'd agree with you about an 'extremist' takeover. The libertarian/Tparty revolution in the GOP has the potential to change American politics. I predict that the Buchananite's will join us. You should consider it.
Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone. Sysadmin simply assumed the power. -- Both he and Neil had the power because they were her tech administrators. -- Get it yet? -- Reread TC' s posts above, - - he has some excellent insights on the subject.
Zing! Oh gawd, he's back!!! I'm gonna go check for bozos....
Yep, some bozo, --- bozoed me.
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LOL! If you want to go groveling back to JimRob, that's you're business. "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
The libertarian/Tparty revolution in the GOP has the potential to change American politics. I predict that the Buchananite's will join us. You should consider it. Damn - but if you ain't a weird Willy... What in hell does my opinion about the GOP have to do with JR? I'll be charitable. You need rest.
- - - [tpaine #88] Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone. - - - [Willie Green #90] Question it all you want. - - - [tpaine #93] Sysadmin simply assumed the power. -- Both he and Neil had the power because they were her tech administrators. It was stated that no will was found. Any grant of power by Goldi to sysadmin or Neil or anyone else was extinguished by her death. Sysadmin had the password to access the system. Unless Goldi did not own LP when she died, neither sysadmin, nor Neil, were lawfully "empowered" to do anything that they did. Because they had the password, they had the ability to do things. They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything. Prior to Goldi's death, sysadmin was empowered by Goldi to act on her behalf. After Goldi's death, that power ceased to exist and no new power was bestowed from the heavens. I believe Neil had ceased to have any agent relationship to Goldi for years prior to her death. He could not have been empowered to do anything by her death. In the absence of any identified relative, all of Goldi's estate will go to the State of Florida under the control of a state appointed executor. The executor will be tasked with identifying the content of the estate and to auction it off or dispose of it. That would include Goldi's interests in Liberty Post.
Let me know when the GOP/Tparty funds our federal government like our Founding Fathers did: with tariffs levied on imported goods. I've had plenty of rest for the last 3 years... "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Thanks Chan. Good synopsis, but I'd bet that it flies right over the heads of many here..
Prior to Goldi's death, sysadmin was empowered by Goldi to act on her behalf. After Goldi's death, that power ceased to exist You know none of this as fact, unless of course you had been named in Goldi's will or are the next of kin. Why are you specualting? IMO shutting down LP was the most righteous thing to do and the best tribute to Goldi, unless of course you have a Goldi clone waiting in the wings - and even then that would not be sufficient to maintain Goldi's memory.
You don't know anything.
Did you lift that from my post today about Clarity, the lawyer who lost TOS's case with WaPo/LAT? I recounted how he used to say that and what an annoying prick that disbarred shylock really was.
You don't know anything. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize just how active a poster you were on LP in recent times. I guessed I missed that memo. For that matter you don't seem to much of a poster of news article on LF either, but that's for another discussion. But I am all ears, pray tell what you believe would have been the best disposition on LP on Goldi's demise, especially when apparently she left no instructions or even expressed a preference (unless she did ti sysadmin and Neil at some time). BTW, it's you don't know nothin'.
Unless Goldi was NOT the owner when she died, I know as FACT that sysadmin and Neil acted without authority. It is impossible that they had authority. I'm more than willing to hear how it is possible.
If sysadmin told us the truth about Goldi having no will, then nolu is correct. You need to read up on fiduciary laws. They protect estates from misappropriation of all kinds.
nolu's history at LP is well-known. It is you who hides behind a mask here, afraid to reveal yourself because, obviously, you know you made yourself hated at LP. It is the only reason anyone would hide their LP identity. Deckard is IW, Hondo was Booshbot, Pericles was Destro/Godwinson. They aren't hiding anything. But you are. Because you know what our reaction is to your psychopathic personality. But you claim to have nothing to hide while stalking others and trying to pretend that they are the ones hiding something. Come out from under your bridge into the light. Reveal thyself, troll.
Why? "I'm more than willing to hear how it is possible. " Yours is the claim that needs to be proven. I made no claim. But I will give you the courtesy of citing that there readily could have been private communications to one or both of them wherein Goldi expressed her wishes. I am certain that this has some legal weight. Besides IMO this would be an infinitely more preferable disposition of LP than leaving it to the state to decide. Chances are the state would not even known of LP's existence as part of Goldi's estate. Further, someone would need to have paid the bills before all would have been lost on defualt or non-payment. Who do you think would have foreclosed on LPs assets? Would that have been a more fitting tribute to Goldi's memory?
I recounted how he used to say that and what an annoying prick that disbarred shylock really was. In context: ---- I'll be charitable. You need rest.... _______________________________________ You got it, -- your post today reminded me of his great line. I agree Clarity was a real prick, but he did have a way with words.
Yo, witless, post #105 was to Fred Mertz, not Nolu. Your dementia is showing. Perhaps you should relax your panties. "It is the only reason anyone would hide their LP identity. Now you are Carnac the Magnificent. My identity is already well know to many posters on LF. In case you missed the memo, witless:
So WTF are you going to do about it? drama queen? Let it rest.
So WTF are you going to do about it? drama queen? --- Let it rest. ---- Fred Mertz Fred, what in the hell is going on with you? Why are you attacking Chan about the legal facts he's posting? -- Facts that imho, need to be understood by everyone that watched the little drama put on by the sysadmin at LP... Chill, man.. You may need rest.
The drama queens were singing a different song when they thought they could seize LP through a vote.
From the photo....Thank you for telling us you have 5 identities:)
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
Your true colors are starting to show. Nice cheap shots at every woman posting here at LF. Psychopaths with deep-seated inferiority complexes always follow this pattern. Maybe you should tell us about your mother sometime. That would be entertaining. Oh? Then you can name these posters who know your LP identity other than LF's newly registered Spartacus (but who is not LP's Spartacus who got banned from LP a decade ago and stopped posting to any of the P forums). And you and this newly-minted Spartacus just happened to register in tandem here at LF at the same time? It's almost like you were coordinating your actions via email or phone. Are you sure you don't want to post a "LOLAYDA" or two? C'mon, I know it's eating you up. Just let it out. Open your little beak and sing, Canary.
Unless it's just the Sterno talking, I see 6. : )
Oh, sorry, I thought that you were a little girl.
That and stealing from the $600,000 settlement from his client which got him disbarred, exactly as nolu said. But nolu does have access to legal info the rest of us don't.
You read too much into things. Just not enough width in the lens.
Then name them, other than Palmdale and You keep saying this. Now tell us who these others are. Or admit that you're lying.
Man, you really are in need of a blow job more than any white man in history. You will just have to live with the mystery, witless. But I am flattered that you care so much. Perhaps when you get out of the witless protection program all may be revealed. Until then, Caio, baby!
Please leave me out of your squabble.
Geez, I wish he'd do the same for me.
Yep, and I'm glad he's presenting it in a calm, reasonable manner. -- That's why I'm completely baffled by the animosity being directed at him. Maybe it's just cocktail time posturing?
That aint gonna happen.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
I like you dude. But to be honest you have been badgering him since his first post. Or close to it. So if anyone came in here and read the conversations from the beginning. They would agree. It seems like anything he said is a reaction. I don't give a crap who he was at LP. I don't care if you two were enemies at LP. This is a different place.
There are a number of people here making intelligent rational points, and there are a few who are dishonest and unpleasant. It feels just like Liberty Post, complete with its own canary cage in the far left corner.
Thank you. I have grown tired of pulling the wings off of this flea. He is displaying a side of himself that was not evident on LP, at least the obessive aspect of it. This really has taken me by surprise. I didn't think that we were enemies on LP. But even if I had, this is LF not LP.
What is this persistent reference to canary cage and canaries? Obviously I missed the memo.
Maybe you should discuss EXACTLY how nolu chan was incorrect in his legal discussion on the matter of LP. Let's see what you got.
Hmmm, werent you the one saying you may not stay if things went a certain way?
Forgot to mention this earlier. Maybe a friendly reminder to new folks that LF has a user homepage.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
You wuz Spartacus
You seem to have attributed that remark to TC.. --- And in response you posted: ---- I've read them all, and I can't agree that TC is doing all the badgering. SOSO has been doing his best to badger all of us that are being critical of the way the Sysadmin-LP handled the shut down. Dead Culture Watch just asked the crucial question of SOSO. Odds are he won't get much of an answer.
Let's see what you got. Oh, sorry, I didn't know that you represent him and need to speak for him. Shall I cc you on any further of my correspondence to him? But to address your question, does he have direct personal knowledge of the exchanges between sysadim and/or Neil and/or anyone else on the matter? If he does then he may very well be correct. I didn't see were he claimed that he had. First, I admitted right off that I have no such direct knowledge. Second, I am not a lawyer. Third, and most significantly, he made a claim without offering any evidence that he had personal knowledge of the situtation. He is entirely free to express his opinion, which on legal matters may very likely be more informed than mine. That's what I got. I trust it's enough for you. If not, please take it to the bar, take it to the bar.
Why? Yours is the claim that needs to be proven. I made no claim. But I will give you the courtesy of citing that there readily could have been private communications to one or both of them wherein Goldi expressed her wishes. I am certain that this has some legal weight. I see you cannot even create a possible scenario where sysadmin and/or Neil acquired any authority to act. A real or imaginary private communication of Goldi's wishes is not a will. It carries zero legal weight. If Goldi died intestate, as stated by sysadmin, the estate goes to the nearest relative, if one can be found. Absent a living relative, the estate goes to the state. There is no exception in the law that gives the estate, or any part thereof, to someone who claims that the decedent made a private communication expressing something or other to sysadmin. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0732/0732.html (1) Any part of the estate of a decedent not effectively disposed of by will passes to the decedent’s heirs as prescribed in the following sections of this code. (2) The decedent’s death is the event that vests the heirs’ right to the decedent’s intestate property. - - - - - 732.107 Escheat.— (1) When a person dies leaving an estate without being survived by any person entitled to a part of it, that part shall escheat to the state. (2) Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund. (3) At any time within 10 years after the payment to the Chief Financial Officer, a person claiming to be entitled to the proceeds may reopen the administration to assert entitlement to the proceeds. If no claim is timely asserted, the state’s rights to the proceeds shall become absolute. (4) The Department of Legal Affairs shall represent the state in all proceedings concerning escheated estates. (5)(a) If a person entitled to the proceeds assigns the rights to receive payment to an attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency which is duly licensed to do business in this state pursuant to a written agreement with that person, the Department of Financial Services is authorized to make distribution in accordance with the assignment. (b) Payments made to an attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency shall be promptly deposited into a trust or escrow account which is regularly maintained by the attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency in a financial institution authorized to accept such deposits and located in this state. (c) Distribution by the attorney, Florida-certified public accountant, or private investigative agency to the person entitled to the proceeds shall be made within 10 days following final credit of the deposit into the trust or escrow account at the financial institution, unless a party to the agreement protests the distribution in writing before it is made. (d) The department shall not be civilly or criminally liable for any proceeds distributed pursuant to this subsection, provided such distribution is made in good faith.
I am going to state the applicable law correctly and let the drama queens get the vapors.
No Sir. I know he said that. Which is why I said things he are saying are a reaction. From the first post people have been asking him who he is. Over and over. He doesn't want to tell them. That is fine. If he is some bad dude time will tell. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt and see where it goes. Not you specifically, but in general. If people kept asking me the same question I would get annoyed too. Wouldn't you? As far as the shutdown. I was for keeping it open But nolu chan is correct I believe.
:)
Please back that up with posts of mine here on LF that do this. Thank you. I certainly expressed my opinion here that all things consdidered I believed that shutting LP down was the best course of action. I do not recall posting to anyone on LF about the position they expressed on LP. I may have responded to their expression of opinion as they posted that here. If that badgering I will reevaluate the action for future reference.
Good for you.
Chan, if memory serves, the sysadmin posted at least once, early on, that he had NOT had any recent communication with Goldi before her death.
SOSO has been doing his best to badger all of us that are being critical of the way the Sysadmin-LP handled the shut down. It was badgering and you just 'boldly' admitted to it. ( I did the html to bold your lines) ---- Thanks
Canary: "I don't know anything about this Canary cage..." Anyone who posted at LP knows what a Canary is. And you keep telling us how well-known you were at LP and how many posters here at LF know your LP handle. So name them. But you won't, will you?
So you prefer that the state disposed of LP? "I see you cannot even create a possible scenario where sysadmin and/or Neil acquired any authority to act." As I said, I am not a lawyer and will readily defer to one on the matter. But you stated an exception, namely Goldi not being the owner of LP (whatever owner means). As you well know, the one that pays the bills is not always the owner. But I will concede the point to you in all respects. Now I ask you, so what is to been done about it? Who had the legal respopnsiblity for LP upon Goldi's death? If the state, did it immediately step in? What would have been the reasonable time expectation for the state to have marshalled Goldi's estate and deal with LP? Would LP have even shown up in the state's marshalling? Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp? Beside the domain name, what assets does/did LP have? There were those of us that wanted our personal information redacted if ownership passed to another person and made this known to sysadmin and/or Neil. Who legally would have been responsible for assuring that happened before ownership of LP changed hands? Who could I have sued if my personal info wasn't redacted as I expressly wished? It seems to me that the old saying applies here, No harm, no foul. But I may be wrong.
First, witless, I never made a claim with respect to being well known or not on LP. Still best to loosen those panties a bit and get some circulation to your brain. Second, witless, I never said how many on LF know, whether that was a lot or a little. But to help you sleep better tonight I will tell you that..............you will never know, at least not from me.
Absolutely. But that's why I've always advocated using just one pseudonym. I've used mine for 18 years, except for when I was playing JR's game at FR for a few months. Could it be some here are playing games now? Thanks for your candor.
I like you dude. But to be honest you have been badgering (SOSO) since his first post. Or close to it.
No thanks. Keep your diseased potty mouth to yourself.
No thanks. Keep your diseased potty mouth to yourself. Give it a rest, witless. You have worn thin.
But I do know who knows. And it is telling you won't just admit who they are either. I can almost hear those cellphones dialing, emails flashing past. Gatlin just happens to show up now, flying wingman for you... It's not a mystery at all.
Like that is going to happen.
Ah, a bit hypocritical you are. Only you have good reason for exception and only you should be unquestioned about it. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know how many forums you post on over the years but I have only done so one, and that was LP. So I am still monogamous but I am funny that way. Sorry if that is unacceptable to you.
Yes, it is telling about something. Sleep tight, witless.
I believe you had SOSO on bozo once at LP.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
Then expsoe me to the world if that will sooth your soul. Over and out.
That wouln't have been nice, would it? Oh well, he is what he is.
Oh no I'm being quoted. You know sometimes when I go back and read some of the stuff I say on here. I'm like what the ..... Why did I say that.
I don't know why you said that, I know TooConservative was becoming desperate at the time. I don’t think human being learn anything without desperation. But then it has always been the nature of TooConservative to appear to be too desperate when
I've always advocated using just one pseudonym. I've used mine for 18 years, except for when I was playing JR's game at FR for a few months. Question away.. Why do you think I care? Do you have a point? Frankly soso, you have me confused with someone who cares about your acceptability..
Question away.. I am not that interested. It is of no weight other than the hypocrisy it reveals about you. "Frankly soso, you have me confused with someone who cares about your acceptability." Then why did you express an opinion about it and accuse me of badgering?
Domains expire.
I stated no personal preference. I stated what the law says must be done. As one preference though, I would prefer that the site not go into the hands of a robber or felon or anyone with a Federal Bureau of Prisons Number. If Goldi was not the owner at her death, then someone else was. I have no indication that anyone else was the owner at the time of Goldi's death. Nobody else ever claimed to be the owner and Goldi was listed as the registrant until a change was made at the end of December. Responsibility passed to the state of Florida for Goldi's estate. They work on attempting to find a will, trying to identify relatives near or distant, and identify all assets and dispose of them as stated in the law. 69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764 On December 21, sysadmin advised that, http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764&Disp=73#C73 On December 22, sysadmin advised, So, more than five weeks after Goldi's body was discovered, sysadmin reports that the case is in the hands of the Major Cases Unit and the cause of death has not yet been determined. The Major Cases Unit does not usually investigate death from natural causes for five weeks. The authorities found the cat. They should find Liberty Post with little effort. As for how fast the state stepped in, maybe they stepped in immediately. What is the Major Cases Unit investigating? Maybe they want to watch and investigate something before going all public. For what? I have not been damaged. Neither has tpaine or Pericles either. They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold. Even the state of Florida must expend a certain amount of time trying to locate relatives. And we could all still attend the auction. LP is not a legal entity and has no assets. Goldi had assets which now belong to the estate of Goldi which include the archive of LP. All of it, including PM and E-mail. The state of Florida would be responsible since Goldi's death. However, the Major Cases Unit might consider the non-public information to be evidence in an investigation. "The decedent’s death is the event that vests the heirs’ right to the decedent’s intestate property." "When a person dies leaving an estate without being survived by any person entitled to a part of it, that part shall escheat to the state." "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund." Beats me. I suppose you could ask the state of Florida authorities to take custody of it and protect it. The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?
And "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund."
Are expired domains property under the Florida Probate Rules? Don't assume your premise.
Here is what I find. http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764&Disp=2#C2 Thank you. Unfortunately I am at the age where this kind of thing has become all too common. It's still a shock, I spoke to her on the phone not long before she passed and there was no indication that her health problems were so severe. sysadmin posted on 2014-12-21 19:20:21 ET http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349764&Disp=29#C29 Unfortunate if so. I have not seen Goldi in person since she moved years ago. I assumed that she had developed a circle of friends and people to hang out with in her new environs, but perhaps that was not the case. (She never really talked much about her personal life.) sysadmin posted on 2014-12-21 23:40:52 ET
I did not assume that it was, or was not, expired. It was not expired when Goldi died and it passed to the custody of the state of Florida. You are free to volunteer to explain to the state of Florida how Panama became involved. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=349905 Title: Where do we go from here? Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin It seems sysadmin decided not to wait until the estate was probated. He decided to act before the state of Florida could.
Not if they have been expropriated and renewed.
He decided to act before the state of Florida could. You assume that Florida could act before it expired. You also assume that it would bother. Don't think so.
When has the state of Florida ever "expropriated and renewed" a privately held domain name?
LP went dark last year when Goldi forgot to renew the DNS name. I recorded it and it expired at 12:01 today, 1/15/15. My intent was to remind her (which I did for sysadmin a week or so ago when my calendar app reminded me. sysadmin renewed it under his own name unless he had some other entity he could transfer it to.
It seems sysadmin decided not to wait until the estate was probated. He decided to act before the state of Florida could. Wait for what? Should he have kept the forum operational while waiting to hear from the state of Florida? Should he have left the site unmoderated, and subject to lawsuits so the state of Florida could inherit a copyright infringement case as a defendant as part of Sally's estate? Should he keep footing monthly bills from the host provider waiting for the State of Florida to reimburse him? Should he have let the domain name expire so the State of Florida could grab it up? Should he have shut down the web site, like he did? What act did he do that is so terrible? What, pray tell, would you have done in SysAdmin's place? Please enlighten us!
I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over the legal distinction between "empower" and "having access." If tpaine doesn't agree with Neil & sysadmin's decision, he can take them to probate court... "Some people march to a different drummer — and some people polka."
Looks like the accusatory verbage, instigating, flame baiting and boorish behavior has already started, my that didn't take long. Looks like the Gay Canary Posse has arrived in full force and has grown by a few members, or would that be a few logons? "Comme ci, comme ça"
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Don't feel bad I'm still bozo'd from when he was here before using another logon.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Thanks for the response. But if memory serves sysadmin made it quite clear that he wasn't selling LP. "The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?" Excellent question. Based on it I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP. How's that for setting off another conspiracy thread:)
Nolu Chan ---- For what? I have not been damaged. Neither has tpaine or Pericles either. They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold. I was not trying to 'buy' LP. My initial offer was to pay the bills and assume any legal responsibilities. How silly can you get? I was not very interested in 'getting my hands on LP', as was made evident by the conditions on the offer I made. -- I was trying to find a way to keep the site open.
Yo, Bro, I believe that I made it abundantly clear that LP was not for sale. BTW, do you have any sense of humor?
Paranoid much?
I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled... Paranoid much? No, just the usual amount. Humorless much?
Wuz dat "humor"?? Ooops. My bad, V.
Probate of the estate. The legal process. Obviously not. As sysadmin stated: Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin The property went to Goldi's estate upon her death as a matter of law.
Including the cat?
Ability. Capacity to perform an act or service; e.g. to support spouse and family. Financial ability is usually as referring to pecuniary ability. Empower. A grant of authority rather than a command of its exercise. In re Whiteman's Will, 268 App.Div. 591, 52 N.Y.S.2d 723, 725. Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed. As sysadmin had the password, he had the capacity or ability to perform certain acts. As Goldi had died and he knew of her death, sysadmin had no authority to perform certain acts performed. He cannot claim any post-mortem empowerment from Goldi. The state appointed executor of the estate should take care of that. The state appointed executor has ample standing and power. Neil and sysadmin acted irresponsibly. As sysadmin stated: Post Date: 2015-01-02 14:57:10 by sysadmin The property went to Goldi's estate upon her death as a matter of law.
And the discretion to distance himself from absurdities.
Unless consider this. He was hired by Goldi for a term of the one year to work on her site. That he had already been paid. And he would have been a crook if he didn't fulfill his obligation. If I agree to install a new tile floor in someones warehouse at the restaurant they own. And the owner dies in the process. And i have the keys to the building and they paid me in advance. I would still be obligated to install that tile. Maybe not the best analogy. I'll just throw this out there.
Whose legal responsibilities? You will see the problem while trying to answer that question. Upon Goldi's death, responsibilities went to the state of Florida. LP was not a legal entity. The responsibilities were Goldi's, personally. The whole process was flawed. It may have been well intended, but good intent does not overrule state law. The problem is that no will was found and state law gets in the way.
Any grant of authority that he may have had as an agent or employee was extinguished by Goldi's death and his knowledge of that fact. http://info.legalzoom.com/power-attorney-end-upon-death-20235.html Section 111 of the Uniform Power of Attorney Act provides that the power of attorney terminates when the principal dies. This rule is followed in all states. For example, Florida laws state that a power of attorney expires upon the principal’s death. In this situation, the agent no longer has authority to act on behalf of the principal, and the principal’s successors take over the management of his affairs. Validation of Agent's Actions In some situations the agent may not know of the principal’s death and may continue to act under the power of attorney, for example, by paying bills or signing documents. If the agent does not know that the principal has died, the law generally allows him to continue acting as agent until he is notified of the death. For example, Chapter 1337.091 of the Ohio Code states that if an agent carries out his duties without knowing that the principal has died, his actions remain valid, provided that he acts in good faith. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0709/0709.html
The State authorities acted to dispose of the cat.
What if the state of Florida ignores your points? Will you sue them? Do you have standing for this?
Gotta link to the probate order?
Just leave the cat alone, please :)
Excellent question. Based on it I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. I am sooooooooo happy that you are sooooooooo happy in your belief that things on the internet can, with certainty, be made to disappear. The Shadow knows. And the first LP server was located at 12 Carroll St., Westminster, MD. And the goings on at that address, including the police raid and the permanent injunctions, and the prison records are matters of public record. As you know, sysadmin posted: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=350039&Disp=All&#C461 sysadmin posted on 2015-01-12 14:35:29 ET Back in 2002, Neil/Pinguinite solicited donations: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=167&Disp=All Liberty Post Checks and money orders should be made payable to "Liberty Post". Maybe the will was hidden in a misplaced bottle of Holy Qettorett.
You sure are making a mountain out of a molehill. Unless you plan on contacting the authorities in Florida and wasting their time with this foolishness you are beating a dead horse for no other purpose than to hear the thud. To what purpose?
Chan is correct. Sysadmin and Neil had absolutely no right to offer anything to anyone under the Liberty Post name. They were essentially offering what was not theirs to offer to you and or Pericles. With no will and not being corporate officers, their actions were their own and most likely illegal. They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name. Any of the old Liberty Post would come under control of whomever Goldi willed it to or the State of Florida. The URL was perfectly legal to buy as the subscription lapsed, but the content would have to be totally removed and replaced with something else. I am 110% certain that one or both asked a lawyer, after they had started their dog and pony show, as to what was legal or not and were told what to do to avoid any legal trouble. A sham election conducted by a couple of computer geeks without the common sense God gave a donkey. They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess.
No and no. I do not believe the Florida state authorities need any assistance on the law of Florida.
I recall CP saying something like that about libel. That made quite a thud.
I've got it hidden in a bottle of Holy Qettorett obtained from Indiana Jones.
They did a little something something extra with that move to Panama. The rights to an expired domain name have nothing to do with the archives of some prior user of the domain name. It gets authority to use the name only.
I suspect that the cat was worth more than the domain name.
Exactly. Any and all content, without being willed to them or part of a corporate agreement, isn't theirs. They own the URL only. Nothing more. They attempted an illegal transfer of information that wasn't theirs to transfer.
Correct again Mr Obvious. I have neither standing nor the faintest desire to sue any one for anything. -- Get a grip on your imagination. You are so insane about this, that you're funny. I made it quite clear from the start of this farce that I did NOT want control of LP, I was willing to pay the bills as long as a membership chosen moderator tried to control the inmates.
You would have had a hell of a time explaining that to a government worker bee looking for $$$ from Goldi's estate. You are damn lucky those two dopes figured it out before they got themselves and you or Pericles in some trouble.
I was not trying to 'buy' LP. You did? Are you the sysadmin? I've been laughing at all the antics here since I got up this morning. Congrats on being one of the head clowns posting... 'bro'.
Except that is not what happened. There is a grace period after the name expires (at least 2 weeks) but as you can see it never expired. A whois privacy guard is in place but you can see the date of renewal. Who knows what names lurk behind the privacy shield? "sysadmin" does.
You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it. Someone may be in some trouble over this.
Did they attempt an illegal transfer of information or did they commit a conversion? Conversion is "[a]n unauthorized assumption and exercise of the right of ownership over goods or personal chattels belonging to another, to the alteration of their condition or the exclusion of the owner's rights. Any unauthorized act which deprives an owner of his property permanently or for an indefinite time. Unauthorized and wrongful exercise of dominion and control over another's personal property." Black's Law Dict., 6th Ed. Constructive conversion is "[a]n implied or virtual conversion, which takes place where a person does such acts in reference to the goods of another as amount in law to the appropriation of the property to himself." Black's Law Dict., 6th Ed.
There is a strong case for this as well. While ownership of LP may have been in dispute in the period between Goldi's actual passing and when the State of Florida would have claim to her property, there can be no dispute that sysadmin and Neil were never owners or had the right to manipulate any of her property and had no right to attempt to sell, barter, or transfer it to anyone else.
Thank you for your excellent, and humerous synopsis. This tempest in a teapot has been great entertainment for quite a while now. I'll be sad to see it fade away.
Hmmm... This is interesting, guess who owns "Libertypost.com"? Try it! who.is
That was for libertypost.net libertypost.org expired. The website Liberty Post used both. Curiously, Goldi's body was found on November 13, 2014 and the registration was updated on November 17, 2014. Whodunnit?
http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net ns1.linode.com 69.93.127.10 Houston, TX, US ns2.linode.com 65.19.178.10 Nashville, TN, US ns3.linode.com 75.127.96.10 Atlanta, GA, US ns4.linode.com 207.192.70.10 Cedar Knolls, NJ, US ns5.linode.com 109.74.194.10 http://who.is/dns/libertypost.net *************************************************** http://who.is/domain-history/libertypost.net Registrar Info January 15, 2015 Name ENOM, INC. Whois Server whois.enom.com Referral URL http://www.enom.com Status clientTransferProhibited Important Dates Expires On January 18, 2016 Registered On January 18, 2011 Updated On January 06, 2015
I just captured the info posted in my #215 just before I formatted my post and posted it. When I went back just now, there were a few changes. Under important dates my #215 read: Updated On November 17, 2014 Now that is updated to: Updated On January 06, 2015 - - - - - The bottom of my post at #215 read: Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC Now that is updated to: Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC = = = = =
http://who.is/website-information/libertypost.org Captured at [1/15/2015 5:43:57 PM]
Looks to me like the sysadmin-LP is playing games with dates. How is that possible? - Is it possible hack that registry site?
It appears the update date/time to the second at the bottom of the page is when whois updated their page. The page does not contain data originating after that time. It appears the update date (mmddyyy) listed under "important dates" indicated when the domain updated their information. The first post of mine showed a page update of December 29, 2014 and could not list a most recent domain update of January 6, 2015. The second post of mine that did show the most recent domain update of January 6, 2015 shows a page update of January 15, 2015, after January 6. If this is a correct interpretation, the first post shows the most recent domain update of November 17, four days after Goldi's body was discovered, and already indicating a change to Panama. Maybe I misunderstand the data, but that, and the background of the site origin, make me curious about what happened when. Who updated on November 17 and what did they update?
Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?
Um, one possibility is that he's not that bright.
Just fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. Remember, sysadmin posted That first server was provided by and in the office of John B. Kotmair at 12 Carroll St., Westminster, MD, the address of SAPF and Liberty Post. Goldi-Lox and Pinguinite were followers of John B. Kotmair and SAPF. It appears sysadmin was another member of the fold. John B. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 18066-037. Son Edward L. Kotmair was Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate # 33337-037. That was his second stretch. Earlier he was state Offender Number 0229959 doing time at Hartnett Correctional Institution. I can see how the people from SAPF can vouch for each other's integrity. Gee, what was their business? UNPUBLISHED UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS Appeal from the United States District Court for Submitted: July 24, 2007 Before WILKINSON, TRAXLER, and DUNCAN, Circuit Judges. Affirmed by unpublished per curiam opinion. John B. Kotmair, Jr., Appellant Pro Se; George E. Harp, Shreveport, Louisiana, for Appellant SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP, an unincorporated association. Richard Farber, Carol Ann Barthel, UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Washington, D.C., for Appellee. Unpublished opinions are not binding precedent in this circuit. PER CURIAM: John B. Kotmair, Jr., and Save-A-Patriot Fellowship appeal from the district court's orders granting summary judgment in favor of the United States and issuing a permanent injunction against them based on their activities in promoting a tax evasion scheme, and denying their motions for a new trial and for modification of the injunction. We have reviewed the record and find no reversible error. Accordingly, we affirm for the reasons stated by the district court. United States v. Kotmair, No. 1:05-cv-01297-WMN (D. Md. Nov. 29, 2006; Feb. 7, 2007). We deny Save-A-Patriot's motion to strike portions of the brief filed by the United States, and we dispense with oral argument because the facts and legal contentions are adequately presented in the materials before the court and argument would not aid the decisional process. AFFIRMED Have another, http://www.leagle.com/decision/19961657962FSupp695_11553 962 F.Supp. 695 (1996) SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP, Plaintiff, United States District Court, D. Maryland. Beverly A. Moses, Trial Attorney, Tax Division, U.S. Dept. of Justice, George E. Harp, Shreveport, LA, for Defendant. MEMORANDUM OF DECISION GARBIS, District Judge. [...] The SAP Fellowship chose not to maintain any bank accounts or even maintain records of its finances. [...] The record establishes that Kotmair was entitled to, felt free to, and did, take funds from the Fellowship and use them for his personal sustenance. Kotmair espouses a doctrine that would have funds that he takes to spend for personal use remain the property of the SAP Fellowship. Indeed, in the world according to Kotmair, if he uses Foundation funds for his food, the Foundation ownership extends to the food even as it proceeds through his digestive system. For example: THE COURT: [W]e are trying to get an understanding of when something belongs to you and when it doesn't. When it belongs to [the SAP Fellowship], so I just want you to try and help me understand that. If you go to the grocery store and you buy Wheaties [with fellowship funds], when is it yours, after you eat it or. Kotmair: That is a hard question to answer. THE COURT: That is why we ask it. Kotmair: If the energy from it goes to the Fellowship, and it does, I would say it is to the benefit of the fellowship. The Court declines to follow the "logic" of Kotmair's position or to dwell upon the point in the digestive process at which Kotmair would agree that the I.R.S. could effect collection. Rather, the Court must conclude that once Kotmair takes Fellowship funds for personal use, those funds can no longer be found to be Fellowship property immune from levy for Kotmair's tax liabilities. The Court finds from the evidence that the SAP Fellowship obtained, and had ownership of, the cash and money orders it received for memberships and the sales of goods, and, possibly services. If the Fellowship had established that Kotmair's possession of particular assets was solely as Fiduciary for the SAP Fellowship the ownership could remain in the Fellowship. However, at such point as Kotmair took the assets and did not place [962 F.Supp. 701] them in a location23 that was exclusively used for the maintenance of Fellowship assets, the ability of the SAP Fellowship to establish ownership in this case was lost. In the context of this case, once the cash and money orders were taken from the Office and placed in something other than a Fellowship depository, the funds were available for the immediate personal use of Kotmair, mingled with his own assets, and no longer had the character of Fellowship assets sufficient to avoid levy. In this case, the cash and money orders that had been removed from the Office prior to the raid were found in the Residence in various locations, none of which have been established to be exclusive association depositories. However, the Court finds that the $384 of cash, the $210 of money orders and $40 of Susan B. Anthony Dollars found at the Office were, when found, property of the SAP Fellowship which had not yet been mingled with Kotmair's personal assets. Accordingly, the Court concludes that the SAP Fellowship has carried its burden of proof and proven ownership with regard to these assets found in the Office, but not as to the cash and money orders found in the Residence. [...] Who is that sysadmin mystery man who helped with that first server in the SAPF office in 2002 and has "worked with it ever since behind the scenes."
Just fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. Seems like a vindictive personality attack. Not a political debate. Is your objective to punish or intimidate "sysadmin-LP"?
And who says SysAdmin isn't waiting? He said that may happen, and if it does, then things will go that course. That is, by definition, waiting. I don't understand why you feel like some crime or civil offence has been committed. If Florida wants the domain name and web site as part of Sally's estate, they can come and get it. No problem. When I asked "wait for what" I really meant "do what while we wait?" I listed a bunch of options, and asked what you would do in sysadmin's place, but you failed to answer. You have raised a big stink about something no being done right, or something being done wrong, but as far as I can tell, you have failed to state what that is. You simply rehash the same claim about LP belonging to Florida.
Indeed. I fully and heartily recommend that Nolu do his civic duty and contact the state of Florida and inform them of this grave injustice. Do it. I'm totally serious.
Offering anything is hardly illegal, in of itself. But the fact that it was not turned over to anyone makes the matter moot. Oh, absolutely. Consulting a big legal firm was definitely worth the time and expense to avoid a raid from DHS over a domain name generates zero income. Hey it could still happen........ He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He, he. And what the state of Florida will do? It will proudly declare LP server and domain the heritage site of the Sunshine State. Or will it sell it for twenty bucks to the wicked sys-admin?
Being away from LP as long as I have has given me the distinct benefit of not having to read such nonsense from people that just come up with crap to fulfill a need to hate or despise. You have an agenda, and you jump on any opportunity to ridicule people you don't know. The decision not to hand off LP was made out of consideration only with regard to what was morally appropriate, as discussed on LP. Even if LP had been handed off to someone, if Florida came knocking and wanted the domain, then they still get it. You are treating this like it is destruction of property. Insane.
< Yawn ..... zzzzzzz >
May I suggest getting the good Dr. Watson involved? Perhaps Moriarty is involved, staked out in Panama?
Curiously, Goldi's body was found on November 13, 2014 and the registration was updated on November 17, 2014. Whodunnit? Very interesting. There must have been some kind of reason that the name was updated on 11/17, since it wasn't set to expire until mid Jan. Perhaps there is a registrar or other source that allows a review of all "updated" dates. What was "updated" on 11/17, and by who, and why?
They did not find out it yet? How are you going to inform then? Perhaps contact the governor? Will you get a commission or dividend?
That was entirely Goldi's fault. She didn't want advertising, and she didn't or couldn't or wouldn't entertain alternatives that don't plaster ads on the front page. (at least as far as I could make out from her limited responses anytime the subject was brought up) Libertypost.com is the prize, owned by the USPS. But Liberty post.net is not exactly a throwaway. It could be worth at least a few thousand dollars without a website and developed like it was (even though only 100 or so regular posters) could have been valued at more than that. Take a look at the garbage that is actually selling at https://flippa.com/ Any idea who updated libertypost.org and .net in November? Why would that have happened just a few days after her death?
Who cares? Fact remains, it's a zero income generator. It's only worth what people pay, not what price a cybersquatter outfit asks for it. I suggest you ask the outfit that claims it was updated. While you are at it you could also ask them what constitutes an "update".
That was entirely Goldi's fault. Only if the income was the key objective. These 100 posters are not owned by LP. They could flee in matter of seconds. Unless you find a way to indenture them and squeeze a rent from it.
The registrar might have done it. Or sysadmin might have updated a telephone or email contact entry. Routine.
Bogus info, I think. AFAIK, Goldi never hosted a mail server there. Perhaps sysadmin at some point put an email redirection in there.
This thread should be removed. nolu has had his points to make, many of them valid. But this has gone on long enough. This thread should be removed now and nolu should be told to stop posting on this topic or find a new forum to post on. nolu, it's time to move on from this topic. You've made your points.
Your opinion is not the law. Thank you for your opinion.
To: Nexus6 You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it. They did not find out it yet? How are you going to inform then? Perhaps contact the governor? Will you get a commission or dividend? Why would I do anything like that? What a strange post.
Absurd. You're like the guy that reads Cooking for Dummies and thinks they are a Chef.
I'm new here, are you a moderator?
You have a new account. I doubt very much you are actually a new poster.
When you posted that it was equally or more desirable to allow Twitter to shorten URLs for you instead of storing your own short-URLs, I dismissed the idea that you know anything substantive about computers or the internet. So should I just call you jwpegler? You sure seem concerned about him.
Nevermind.
Since someone here has seen fit to inflate this whole LP issue to the ridiculous level of even including SAPF, I'll say this: Anyone interested in the case against SAPF can find it voluntarily posted by SAPF on the SAPF web site, http://save-a-patriot.org. Not just the final order, but the entire case from start to finish. The final order required SAPF to post the order itself on the SAPF web site for 1 year. SAPF has gone above and beyond that by posting all docs related to the case for the last 5 years, encouraging all to research it, and will likely have it there as long as the site exists, that done as a protest of the manner in which the court handled the case. SAPF is made up of principled honest people. The founder, John Kotmair, was a police officer who quit the force after witnessing widespread corruption in trusted offices and on the force. I understand he was convicted some years later of willful failure to file income tax returns and received a 2 year sentence for doing so. He went to jail and returned from it completely defiant, upon his release founding SAPF in an attempt to bring light to injustice. SAPF has both won and lost cases against the US government in federal court. Most notably winning a case after a highly publicized federal armed raid which seized everything from the fellowship. The government was subsequently ordered by the court in that case to return everything (literally truckloads) taken from the fellowship at it's own expense. John Kotmair's son, Edward, to the best of my knowledge was never a member of SAPF, and consequently, any actions of his are his alone, and do not reflect on the fellowship. There are those who consider legislative bodies to be Gods, the laws they enact to be a Holy Bible, and those who administer it to be High Priests. I am not one of those people. Like many things in life, law has it's purpose, but is hardly the final authority in defining moral right and wrong. Rather it's often a tool of abuse, as is easily witnessed when it's applied selectively, not to mention those times when the laws themselves are completely immoral. Morality trumps laws of man. And there are times when doing the right moral thing means going against what some men have made into law. There are no shortage of examples of this throughout history, the illegality of the American Revolution being only a single but significant example. Those who fail to recognize this lack moral fiber and any moral vision whatsoever. You may now continue your hyper sensitivity to the outcome of the dispensation of a single, virtually worthless web site while ignoring gross, far-reaching human rights abuses committed daily by the US government and other supposed authorities. Have a nice day.
You may now continue your hyper sensitivity to the outcome of the dispensation of a single, virtually worthless web site while ignoring gross, far-reaching human rights abuses committed daily by the US government and other supposed authorities. Very well said, Neil. I really don't understand why folks are still bickering over a website which has been shut down after it's owner passed away in November! It was very kind, IMHO, for sysadmin to keep it up for as long as he did -- but that was an act of charity, not of obligation.
Are you accusing someone of a criminal act?
That would be for the courts to decide. I would say that, without any legal authority under a will or corporate structure, an individual attempted to transfer control of someone else's property to another. You do the math.
Or not.
Some people just want to complain about everything, sad life they lead. That's one thing I can't stand is a self absorbed whiner.
It is a thread "Title: Be a man, try running Liberty Post" posted in Humor. That does not seem to be a political debate topic to me. There were pleas for trust in an anonymous person. Words of wisdom were "trust but verify." I commented on what I observed as unlawful acts. For those who pushed back with legal nonsense or purported moral justification of unlawful actions, or have posted outright falsehoods, I returned fire. I do not care what sysadmin does or what happens to him. sysadmin can do as he pleases. I can state facts and opine pursuant to those facts. I do care about scam artists who hurt other people who put their trust in them. The harm caused by the SAPF organization has been well documented. I would not trust any of them without verification.
sysadmin made it clear he took actions. Actions he had no authority to take. It does not matter if you consider them right, wrong or moral. LP does not belong to the state of Florida. Not yet. Not until she has been declared to have no living relatives. LP and the entirety of Goldi's property belongs to Goldi's estate. It is for the state to determine to whom the property belongs. Black's Law Dict., 6th Ed. If Goldi had given someone a copy of the keys to her car before she died so he could use it to run her errands, that would not mean that same someone with the keys could drive it while waiting for the state to find it. It does not mean they could take it home and park it in their garage either.
If I thought there was a need to notify them or the IRS, I might consider it.
It seems like Inspector Closeau staked, out in Ecuador, is on the job.
How do you know that to be a fact?
Nice try. Try your phoney nonsense on someone else. Trust an SAPF crony if one must, but always verify. The Court wrote that Edward Louis Kotmair was member of a tax protest organization, namely Save a Patriot Fellowship. Following what Pinguinite said, that must mean that his actions are not his alone and do reflect on the fellowship scamming operation. The Court found, that as he knew his father went to jail for failure to file, that was sufficient to infer that Edward's failure was willful. USA v Edward Louis Kotmair, USCA 4th Cir 00-4139 (2001), OPINION at 2-3: Id. at 4: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/793011/posts?page=326#326 http://www.etaxes.com/tax_scams.html http://www.paylesstax.com/tax_scams/recent_tax_fraud_cases.html Following a three-day jury trial in September, 1999, KOTMAIR (http://www.save-a-patriot.org) was convicted of failing to file federal income tax returns for the years 1990, 1991, and 1992. During those years, KOTMAIR (http://www.save-a-patriot.org) operated his own carpentry business, Commercial Installers, located in Cary, N. C. His company earned income of approximately 1.7 million dollars during the three-year period. Some of KOTMAIR's income came from the United States Government while he did subcontracting work on the Library of Congress and a Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation building in Washington, D. C. KOTMAIR (http://www.save-a-patriot.org) was arrested in September, 1998, and has remained in federal custody since that time. During his trial, KOTMAIR (http://www.save-a-patriot.org) attempted to convince the jury that he did not believe he was required to pay income taxes. The jury rejected his argument and found him guilty on all three counts of the indictment. KOTMAIR (http://www.save-a-patriot.org) is a member of Save-A-Patriot Fellowship, a tax protest organization located in Westminster, Maryland. The group, which was founded by KOTMAIR's father, John B. Kotmair, states that U. S. citizens living and working in the United States are not required to pay income taxes. The elder Kotmair was convicted of failure to file federal income tax returns in the early 1980's and served a prison term. Other members of Save-A-Patriot Fellowship (http://www.save-a-patriot.org), including close associates of KOTMAIR (http://www.save-a-patriot.org), also have been convicted of income tax charges and sentenced to prison. According to U. S. Attorney Cole, federal courts and juries have consistently rejected the arguments of "tax protest" organizations, including the Save-A-Patriot Fellowship (http://www.save-a-patriot.org), and have upheld the income tax laws and their applicability to everyone.
Do you get invited to many parties?
The SAPF morality, and yours, is to state you have no legal obligation to pay income taxes. Indeed, SAPF members would sell that crap, frequently very expensive crap for the deceived buyer who relied on it. That hardly requires the moral fiber of the founders, nor does it equate to the American Revolution. Have a nice day. And you may continue to defend unlawful acts. Have a nice day. But please try to make your claims accurate. Too many accidents and they cease to be considered accidents. Your mythical, supposed grand victory would be the court decision I quote from at #223 to which you are responding. A check for $634 plus interest does not make a truckload of anything. Perhaps it adds up to another SAPF pantsload. This is the Court finding of what the Court returned to SAPF, the complete list. Items seized included $44,115 of U.S. currency and various numismatic coins. Uncle Sam kept those. SAPF declares victory. http://archive.adl.org/mwd/suss8.html Idiot Legal Arguments: A Casebook for Dealing with Extremist Legal Arguments Part Eight By Bernard J. Sussman, JD, MLS, CP [excerpt]
Perhaps I was invited to this one because it is posted in Humor.
If nolu is booked up....Liberator is probably available, ask him for a date.
#2. To: tpaine, TooConservative, sneakypete (#0)
I personally hope this isn't the case because I think all political discussion boards need Big L Libertarian owners/moderators. Anyone else and they just turn into partisan party arms preaching the party line with no dissent allowed. Without dissent there is no discussion.
#3. To: tpaine, sneakypete (#1)
I hope someone can ping Pete for me, at LP...
#4. To: SOSO, and all you wannabe manly men. (#2)
tpaine, why do you want ownership of LP? Why not start your own site?
#5. To: tpaine (#4)
But don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
#6. To: SOSO (#5)
If I may ask, what laughs were you hoping to get out of owning LP for a year?
#7. To: tpaine (#0)
#8. To: TooConservative (#3)
#9. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#8)
One of your favorites here:
#10. To: Nexus6, -- who is this clown? Anybody know? (#7)
You were booted over there, the lights are going out, and you don't need to bring you petty crap over here.
#11. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#9)
Sounds like Vic is coming over.
#12. To: tpaine (#6)
Read the comments over at Liberty Post on my 'take over' (from my perspective), and you'll see the humor.. I was truly laughing aloud at many points...
#13. To: tpaine (#10)
You're continuing the idiotic kettle/black practice of the gatlin faction at LP.
#14. To: SOSO (#12)
Too bad TooConservative appears to have been correct about you not being serious.
#15. To: tpaine (#14)
Are you aware of the thread you're posting on? -- Just above I made a serious offer to both TC and S'Pete about hosting LP for another year.
#16. To: Nexus6 --- why doesn't he bozo windbags? (#13)
---- is it too hard for you to believe someone else thinks you are a tiresome windbag?
#17. To: tpaine (#14)
#18. To: tpaine, SOSO (#14)
Are you aware of the thread you're posting on? -- Just above I made a serious offer to both TC and S'Pete about hosting LP for another year.
#19. To: SOSO (#15)
So pray tell, what vintages do you have in your fine wine fund?
#20. To: SOSO (#15)
#21. To: tpaine, Nexus6 (#20)
I'm presently collecting boxes of fine merlot.
#22. To: Nexus6, is SOD (#18)
Goldi-Lox once called you a "pain in the ass" for your endless 'look at me' exchanges about donating a paltry $100 to LP. You never donated it either.
#23. To: SOSO (#21)
Ah, some of the world's finest merlots come in boxes.
#24. To: tpaine (#22)
Yep, that's exactly what SOD posted recently over at LP.
#25. To: Nexus6 (#24)
#26. To: tpaine (#4)
Pete is rubbing in my 'lack' of manliness, and I'm calling his bluff.
#27. To: SOSO (#21)
Ah, some of the world's finest merlots come in boxes.
#28. To: sneakypete (#26)
Little sensitive over that,bubba?
Even though I voted for you as the new owner,I came to believe you were just playing games about it or you would have accepted majority vote.
The kicker was after somebody mentioned the 100 dollar donation to LP bet that you made and never paid off.
#29. To: sneakypete (#27)
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#30. To: tpaine, Nexus6, is SOD (#22)
Yep, that's exactly what SOD posted recently over at LP.
#31. To: sneakypete (#27)
Ibelieve the wine in boxes has a superior flavor to the wine that comes in aluminum pop-top cans.
#32. To: SOSO, sneakypete (#29)
Spoken like a true anarchist that he is.
#33. To: Deckard, tpaine, sneakypete (#30)
Yep, that's exactly what SOD posted recently over at LP. Thanks for outing yourself.
#34. To: tpaine (#28)
Pete is rubbing in my 'lack' of manliness, and I'm calling his bluff.
#35. To: tpaine, TooConservative, Sneakypete (#1)
#36. To: Deckard (#32)
Does the concept of individual liberty cause you to wet your panties?
#37. To: Nexus6 (#33)
I believe sneakypete could also be SOD based on tpaine's analysis.
#38. To: Pericles (#35)
I offered to Mod or to pay expenses or to give up my votes to tpaine. All to no avail.
#39. To: sneakypete (#36)
Does the concept of individual liberty cause you to wet your panties?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
#40. To: Deckard (#39)
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I think you misunderstood - that comment was directed to SOSO concerning his calling RP an "anarchist".
#41. To: Nexus6, quit lying (#33)
can we stop the LP bickering here? It's still open for business. You can argue there all you want until tomorrow.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#42. To: sneakypete (#34)
Little sensitive over that,bubba?
Over what, bubba, you saying 'man up'? Big hat, no cattle. Man up and tell us what you think of my idea about LP. You sure as sensitive about that term. Why? Goldi ran that same web site for years. How "manly" was SHE? --- Women runs tens of thousands of web sites.
Weird reply Pete. I'm not sensitive about any term, nor are you. The cadre in jump school made sure of that, correct? I may be wrong,but I think your idea was to pose and cause conflict. Based mainly on the fact that you never paid up on the bet you lost. If you do that once,you will do it often.
You're wrong, bubba. Ahhh,the devil is in the details! I freely admit I only paid casual interest in the events leading up to that bet and the precise details that defined it,but I do remember to the casual viewer (me) it sure as hell looked like you lost and refused to pay up.
Thanks for manning up as a casual viewer. Your opinion is filed. And I'm not proud of the fact that I never gave her a donation, -- the way things turned out, but I never owed her one. Nor should you be,but I do give you credit for admitting you didn't pay up.
Big of you bubba. Thanks. And dancing around and complaining about "fine details" does you no credit.
Pete, I'll dance with you all you want. I don't quite know what you hope to accomplish by ragging on me, but feel free. You lost and refused to pay off a measly 100 dollar donation to LP bet.
That was the gatlin groups version of what happened. It is bullshit. Your own sense of pride and self-respect should have forced you to pay up to avoid questions being asked,and the fact that you didn't pay up does not speak well for your character. If you can't be trusted to pay off a lousy 100 bet,how can you be trusted to do anything else you say you will do?
You're going beyond the line with your suppositions, and I don't have a clue why you're doing it. -- Something else bothering you, bubba?
#43. To: tpaine (#42)
Something else bothering you, bubba?
#44. To: Deckard, sneakypete (#32)
Does the concept of individual liberty cause you to wet your panties?
#45. To: sneakypete (#43)
You lost and refused to pay off a measly 100 dollar donation to LP bet.
Your own sense of pride and self-respect should have forced you to pay up to avoid questions being asked,and the fact that you didn't pay up does not speak well for your character. If you can't be trusted to pay off a lousy 100 bet,how can you be trusted to do anything else you say you will do?
Yes,numbnuts. You trying to pass yourself off as a victim.
You made the bet,you lost the bet,and now you are trying to pass yourself off as a "victim of a technicality. It remind me of Bubba Bill defending his perjury by claiming "It all depends on what the definition of "is",is". --- I expected better of you.
#46. To: tpaine, sneakypete (#45)
#47. To: Pericles (#46)
sneakypete do you go to forums just to fight or to post about political/news issues?
#48. To: sneakypete (#47)
sneakypete do you go to forums just to fight or to post about political/news issues?
#49. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.
#50. To: tpaine (#49)
#51. To: Biff Tannen (#50)
#52. To: tpaine (#49)
Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.
#53. To: TooConservative (#52)
(Edited)
#54. To: TooConservative, infowarrior, murron, Y'ALL (#52)
(Edited)
Oh, I forgot to mention that all further email from you will be automatically deleted without being read. Believe it or not I don't harbor any particularly ill will, I just don't want to be bothered. Your phony offer to take over LP was actually helpful in the end. As I said, have a nice life.
#55. To: tpaine, Pericles, Hondo68, Fred Mertz (#53)
Thanks for your support.
#56. To: TooConservative (#55)
#57. To: tpaine, Pericles, Hondo68, Fred Mertz (#56)
#58. To: tpaine, TooConservative, hondo68 (#55)
#59. To: TooConservative (#55)
You do realize that tomorrow is the last day of Goldi's annual DNS subscription?
#60. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
Neil just banned SOD. LOL!
#61. To: Liberator (#59)
To what end is The Game played? Future considerations of 'Liberty Post' as a tangible asset?
#62. To: Fred Mertz (#58)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#63. To: TooConservative (#61)
#64. To: hondo68 (#62)
#65. To: hondo68 (#62)
#66. To: Liberator (#63)
Could it be considered "inherited" by default? By a working/personal association? Then why not just offer to sell/surrender the whole kit and caboodle at some later date? Or is this a question of authority?
#67. To: Liberator (#63)
Odd situation and end result in any case. Especially after the whole voting. I guess some kind of liability always lurks in the background...
#68. To: tpaine (#67)
(Edited)
#69. To: Fred Mertz, TooConservative, hondo68 (#64)
Banjo Boy/byeltsin leaves his final posting of gibberish in hopes that someone fifty years from now can translate it.
#70. To: Fred Mertz, gatlin, Y'ALL (#68)
#71. To: tpaine (#4)
just for laughs
#72. To: Fred Mertz, tpaine, TooConservative, hondo68 (#58)
#73. To: A Pole (#71)
The admins wanted to keep LP going, then you came with your proposal, things got messy and admins decided to kill LP.
#74. To: TooConservative, A Pole (#73)
The admins wanted to keep LP going, then you came with your proposal, things got messy and admins decided to kill LP.
#75. To: Spartacus (#74)
#76. To: TooConservative (#75)
#77. To: tpaine (#0)
#78. To: Nexus6, TooConservative, Y'ALL (#77)
For someone with so little time and a family who is practically begging him to give up LP, sysadmin is on the site 24/7.
The truth behind what happened there will never be known…
#79. To: TooConservative (#55)
The rest is just a smokescreen and him trying to cover his own rather shameful election debacle.
I think that he simply didn't anticipate the can-of-worms that he plunged into.
#80. To: Willie Green (#79)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#81. To: hondo68 (#80)
sysy started out as a clueless rube, and proceeded to
#82. To: tpaine, Nexus6 (#78)
I think TC posted a good part of it just above, at #55? -- That too should be posted at LP, although they'd probably delete it immediately.
#83. To: TooConservative (#82)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#84. To: Willie Green, hondo68, Y'ALL (#81)
#85. To: tpaine (#84)
the sysadmin showed his true colors in his last email to me, wherein he called my offer "phony" and said it helped him 'in the end', -- to shut down LP.
#86. To: Willie Green, y'all (#85)
Das macht nichts...
you barely had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.
#87. To: tpaine (#86)
The way LP was put down mattered to a lot of people, who posted their objections on that discussion thread. You're simply in denial.
LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?!
Goldi's website, Goldi's rules...
Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.
#88. To: Willie Green (#87)
You only had a 50% approval rating anyway, far below the goal you established for yourself.
You mean after all these years that you still naively believe that these chat rooms can function as some kind of democracy?
LOL! And you accuse ME of being in denial!?! ---- "JimRob's cesspit, JimRob's rules."
Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.
#89. To: tpaine (#88)
You really liked JR's cesspit, didn't you?
but it went downhill fast after JR became a BushBot...
and strictly a partisan, toe-the-Tea-Party-Line echo chamber after that...
I'm still pretty much the same old Buchananite that I've always been... but I don't mind distancing myself as far away from the GOP as I can get. The GOP was hijacked by extremists, and I don't want to have anything to do with them. We'd all be better off if the GOP just closed up shop and turned out the lights. They're an embarassment to everything decent that I ever believed in.
#90. To: tpaine (#88)
Quite a few of us here questioned the assumption that Goldie 'empowered' anyone.
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
#91. To: Willie Green (#90)
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
#92. To: Willie Green (#89)
I'm still pretty much the same old Buchananite that I've always been... but I don't mind distancing myself as far away from the GOP as I can get. The GOP was hijacked by extremists, and I don't want to have anything to do with them. We'd all be better off if the GOP just closed up shop and turned out the lights.
#93. To: Willie Green (#90)
Question it all you want. --- If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
#94. To: Palmdale, ---- Y'ALL!!! (#91)
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
#95. To: Y'ALL (#94)
#96. To: All (#95)
Screen Name Search: palmdale
#97. To: tpaine (#92)
The libertarian/Tparty revolution in the GOP has the potential to change American politics. I predict that the Buchananite's will join us. You should consider it.
I'd rather see Obama get a 3rd term.
#98. To: Willie Green (#97)
(Edited)
I'm still pretty much the same old Buchananite that I've always been.
LOL! If you want to go groveling back to JimRob, that's you're business.
I'd rather see Obama get a 3rd term.
#99. To: tpaine, Willie Green (#93)
[Willie Green #87] Neil and sysadmin were the only ones Goldi empowered with the ability to pull the plug regardless whether the rest of us voted for it or against it.
If she didn't "empower" anybody to pull the plug, then we'd all still be posting there, including you because sysadmin wouldn't have had the power to ban you.
#100. To: tpaine (#98)
I predict that the Buchananite's will join us. You should consider it.
Clue: Ain't gonna happen.You need rest.
The GOP/TParty used that opportunity to prove to me that they're totally unfit to govern.
I don't see anybody saying anything that will make me change my mind in the upcoming election cycle.
They're just chanting the same old meaningless slogans that got us into this mess to begin with.
#101. To: nolu chan (#99)
#102. To: nolu chan, tpaine, Willie Green (#99)
They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything.
#103. To: SOSO (#102)
IMO shutting down LP was the most righteous thing to do and the best tribute to Goldi
#104. To: tpaine (#98)
You need rest.
#105. To: Fred Mertz (#103)
IMO shutting down LP was the most righteous thing to do and the best tribute to Goldi
#106. To: SOSO (#102)
You know none of this as fact, unless of course you had been named in Goldi's will or are the next of kin.
#107. To: SOSO (#102)
You know none of this as fact, unless of course you had been named in Goldi's will or are the next of kin.
#108. To: SOSO, Deckard, Hondo68, Pericles (#105)
(Edited)
I didn't realize just how active a poster you were on LP in recent times. I guessed I missed that memo.
#109. To: nolu chan (#106)
It is impossible that they had authority.
#110. To: TooConservative, willy, Y'ALL (#104)
Did you lift that from my post today about Clarity, the lawyer who lost TOS's case with WaPo/LAT?
Willy: --- I'd rather see Obama get a 3rd term.
#111. To: TooConservative, Deckard, Hondo68, Pericles (#108)
nolu's history at LP is well-known.
#112. To: nolu chan (#106)
Unless Goldi was NOT the owner when she died, I know as FACT that sysadmin and Neil acted without authority. It is impossible that they had authority.
#113. To: Fred Mertz, Y'ALL (#112)
nolu chan (#106) --- Unless Goldi was NOT the owner when she died, I know as FACT that sysadmin and Neil acted without authority. It is impossible that they had authority.
#114. To: Fred Mertz (#112)
#115. To: SOSO (#111)
#116. To: SOSO, Spartacus, nolu chan, Hondo68 (#111)
Your dementia is showing. Perhaps you should relax your panties.
My identity is already well know to many posters on LF.
#117. To: redleghunter (#115)
5 identities
#118. To: TooConservative, Spartacus, nolu chan, Hondo68 (#116)
Nice cheap shots at every woman posting here at LF.
#119. To: tpaine (#110)
I agree Clarity was a real prick, but he did have a way with words.
#120. To: redleghunter (#115)
From the photo....Thank you for telling us you have 5 identities:)
#121. To: SOSO, Palmdale, Spartacus, Hondo68 (#118)
My identity is already well know to many posters on LF.
GatlinSpartacus. Tell us who knows your real LP handle here at LF other than those two?
#122. To: TooConservative, Palmdale, Spartacus, Hondo68 (#121)
#123. To: TooConservative (#121)
#124. To: Palmdale, TooConservative (#123)
Please leave me out of your squabble.
#125. To: TooConservative, Y'ALL (#119)
--- nolu does have access to legal info the rest of us don't.
#126. To: TooConservative (#121)
Or admit that you're lying.
#127. To: TooConservative (#116)
Your dementia is showing. Perhaps you should relax your panties. Your true colors are starting to show. Nice cheap shots at every woman posting here at LF. Psychopaths with deep-seated inferiority complexes always follow this pattern.
#128. To: TooConservative (#121)
#129. To: A K A Stone, TooConservative (#127)
I don't give a crap who he was at LP. I don't care if you two were enemies at LP. This is a different place.
#130. To: Dead Culture Watch (#128)
complete with its own canary cage
#131. To: SOSO (#130)
(Edited)
#132. To: SOSO (#129)
#133. To: Nexus6 (#132)
#134. To: Dead Culture Watch (#133)
#135. To: A K A Stone (#127)
#136. To: SOSO (#111)
(Edited)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#137. To: A K A Stone, all (#127)
(Edited)
SOSO posted --- Your dementia is showing. Perhaps you should relax your panties.
I like you dude. But to be honest you have been badgering him since his first post. Or close to it. ------- So if anyone came in here and read the conversations from the beginning. They would agree.
#138. To: Dead Culture Watch (#131)
Maybe you should discuss EXACTLY how nolu chan was incorrect in his legal discussion on the matter of LP.
#139. To: SOSO (#102)
It is impossible that they had authority.
"I'm more than willing to hear how it is possible. "
732.101 Intestate estate.—
#140. To: Fred Mertz (#112)
So WTF are you going to do about it? drama queen?
#141. To: tpaine (#137)
You seem to have attributed that remark to TC.. --- And in response you posted: ----
#142. To: nolu chan (#140)
I am going to state the applicable law correctly and let the drama queens get the vapors.
#143. To: tpaine, A K A Stone, all (#137)
SOSO has been doing his best to badger all of us that are being critical of the way the Sysadmin-LP handled the shut down.
#144. To: nolu chan, Fred Mertz (#140)
I am going to state the applicable law correctly and let the drama queens get the vapors.
#145. To: nolu chan (#139)
Yours is the claim that needs to be proven. I made no claim. But I will give you the courtesy of citing that there readily could have been private communications to one or both of them wherein Goldi expressed her wishes. I am certain that this has some legal weight.
#146. To: SOSO (#143)
Please back that up with posts of mine here on LF that do this. Thank you. -- - I certainly expressed my opinion here that all things consdidered I believed that shutting LP down was the best course of action. I do not recall posting to anyone on LF about the position they expressed on LP. I may have responded to their expression of opinion as they posted that here. If that badgering I will reevaluate the action for future reference.
#147. To: SOSO (#130)
What is this persistent reference to canary cage and canaries? Obviously I missed the memo.
#148. To: nolu chan, tpaine, pericles (#139)
Absent a living relative, the estate goes to the state.
#149. To: TooConservative (#147)
And you keep telling us how well-known you were at LP and how many posters here at LF know your LP handle.
#150. To: A K A Stone (#141)
If people kept asking me the same question I would get annoyed too. Wouldn't you?
As far as the shutdown. I was for keeping it open But nolu chan is correct I believe.
#151. To: TooConservative, SOSO, A K A Stone, Devil Anse (#147)
(Edited)
What is this persistent reference to canary cage and canaries? Obviously I missed the memo.
Canary: "I don't know anything about this Canary cage..."
Anyone who posted at LP knows what a Canary is.
And you keep telling us how well-known you were at LP and how many posters here at LF know your LP handle. So name them.
But you won't, will you?
So if anyone came in here and read the conversations from the beginning.
They would agree. It seems like anything he said is a reaction.
I don't give a crap who he was at LP. I don't care if you two were enemies at LP. This is a different place.
A K A Stone posted on 2015-01-14 22:30:46 ET
#152. To: SOSO (#122)
Man, you really are in need of a blow job more than any white man in history.
#153. To: TooConservative (#152)
Man, you really are in need of a blow job more than any white man in history.
#154. To: SOSO (#149)
But to help you sleep better tonight I will tell you that..............you will never know, at least not from me.
#155. To: SOSO (#153)
#156. To: tpaine (#150)
I've used mine for 18 years, except for........
#157. To: TooConservative (#154)
But I do know who knows. And it is telling you won't just admit who they are either.
#158. To: TooConservative (#154)
#159. To: TooConservative (#154)
It's not a mystery at all.
#160. To: redleghunter (#158)
I believe you had SOSO on bozo once at LP.
#161. To: Spartacus (#151)
#162. To: A K A Stone (#161)
Desperation is a necessary ingredient to learning anything or creating anything
If you ain’t desperate at some point, you ain’t interesting ~ Jim Carrey
things don't go his way or he cannot get the answer he wants.
#163. To: SOSO (#156)
Ah, a bit hypocritical you are. Only you have good reason for exception and only you should be unquestioned about it.
I don't know how many forums you post on over the years but I have only done so one, and that was LP.
So I am still monogamous but I am funny that way. Sorry if that is unacceptable to you.
#164. To: tpaine (#163)
Ah, a bit hypocritical you are. Only you have good reason for exception and only you should be unquestioned about it.
#165. To: nolu chan (#139)
Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules
#166. To: SOSO, tpaine, Pericles, TooConservative (#148)
So you prefer that the state disposed of LP?
But you stated an exception, namely Goldi not being the owner of LP (whatever owner means). As you well know, the one that pays the bills is not always the owner.
Who had the legal respopnsiblity for LP upon Goldi's death? If the state, did it immediately step in? What would have been the reasonable time expectation for the state to have marshalled Goldi's estate and deal with LP? Would LP have even shown up in the state's marshalling?
UPS packages were piling up in front of her condo, so the management called police on November 13th to check on her. She was found deceased inside her condo unit.
Goldi's case is in the hands of the "Major Cases Unit" at the sheriff's office which has been attempting unsuccessfully to find next-of-kin. The body is with the Medical Examiner's office and the actual cause of death has not yet been determined.
Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp?
Beside the domain name, what assets does/did LP have?
There were those of us that wanted our personal information redacted if ownership passed to another person and made this known to sysadmin and/or Neil. Who legally would have been responsible for assuring that happened before ownership of LP changed hands?
Who could I have sued if my personal info wasn't redacted as I expressly wished?
It seems to me that the old saying applies here, No harm, no foul. But I may be wrong.
#167. To: Palmdale (#165)
Domains expire.
#168. To: nolu chan (#167)
And "Property that escheats shall be sold as provided in the Florida Probate Rules and the proceeds paid to the Chief Financial Officer of the state and deposited in the State School Fund."
#169. To: tpaine (#145)
Chan, if memory serves, the sysadmin posted at least once, early on, that he had NOT had any recent communication with Goldi before her death.
#2. To: Dead Culture Watch (#1)
#29. To: domer (#28)
From the post on this thread it appears that she was alone at the end.
#170. To: Palmdale (#168)
(Edited)
Are expired domains property under the Florida Probate Rules?
With the new year upon us I suppose it is time now to discuss where LP is going from here. We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate. Although very unlikely, it is something that should be kept in mind.
#171. To: Palmdale (#165)
Domains expire.
#172. To: nolu chan (#170)
I did not assume that it was, or was not, expired...
#173. To: TooConservative (#171)
Not if they have been expropriated and renewed.
#174. To: nolu chan (#170)
I did not assume that it was, or was not, expired. It was not expired when Goldi died and it passed to the custody of the state of Florida.
#175. To: nolu chan (#170)
#176. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#99)
Unless Goldi did not own LP when she died, neither sysadmin, nor Neil, were lawfully "empowered" to do anything that they did. Because they had the password, they had the ability to do things. They were no longer "empowered" by Goldi to do anything.
No wait, tpaine doesn't have legal standing to do that, does he?
Oh well, Neil & sysadmin still acted responsibly to protect LP from being vandalized until Goldi's estate is settled. And tpaine should thank his lucky stars that he didn't illegally acquire control of Goldi's property.
#177. To: All (#176)
#178. To: tpaine (#95)
Yep, some bozo, --- bozoed me.
#179. To: nolu chan (#166)
They only "lost" an opportunity to buy from sysadmin something that could not legally be sold.
#180. To: SOSO, Nolu Chan, Y'ALL (#179)
Silly questioner --- Are you going to sue sysadmin and/or Neil? Can tpaine or pericles sue them for wisking away LP from their grasp?
SOSO --- I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP.
#181. To: tpaine, Nolu Chan, Y'ALL (#180)
I was not trying to 'buy' LP.
#182. To: SOSO (#179)
I am sooooooooo happy that LP is shut down and that my personal info will be redacted. Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled...
#183. To: Liberator (#182)
#184. To: SOSO (#183)
#185. To: Pinguinite (#175)
Wait for what?
Should he have kept the forum operational while waiting to hear from the state of Florida?
We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate.
#186. To: nolu chan (#185)
Probate of the estate.
#187. To: Willie Green (#176)
I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over the legal distinction between "empower" and "having access."
If tpaine doesn't agree with Neil & sysadmin's decision, he can take them to probate court...
No wait, tpaine doesn't have legal standing to do that, does he? Oh well, Neil & sysadmin still acted responsibly to protect LP from being vandalized until Goldi's estate is settled. And tpaine should thank his lucky stars that he didn't illegally acquire control of Goldi's property.
We do need to bear in mind that anything we decide is contingent on the site not being taken over as part of Goldi's estate.
#188. To: nolu chan (#187)
The state appointed executor has ample standing and power.
#189. To: nolu chan (#187)
As sysadmin had the password, he had the capacity or ability to perform certain acts. As Goldi had died and he knew of her death, sysadmin had no authority to perform certain acts performed.
#190. To: tpaine (#180)
I was not trying to 'buy' LP. My initial offer was to pay the bills and assume any legal responsibilities.
#191. To: A K A Stone (#189)
Unless consider this. He was hired by Goldi for a term of the one year to work on her site. That he had already been paid.
Death of the Principal
709.2109 Termination or suspension of power of attorney or agent’s authority.—
(1) A power of attorney terminates when:
(a) The principal dies;
(b) The principal becomes incapacitated, if the power of attorney is not
durable;
(c) The principal is adjudicated totally or partially incapacitated by a court,
unless the court determines that certain authority granted by the power of
attorney is to be exercisable by the agent;
(d) The principal revokes the power of attorney;
(e) The power of attorney provides that it terminates;
(f) The purpose of the power of attorney is accomplished; or
(g) The agent’s authority terminates and the power of attorney does not provide
for another agent to act under the power of attorney.
(2) An agent’s authority is exercisable until the authority terminates. An
agent’s authority terminates when:
(a) The agent dies, becomes incapacitated, resigns, or is removed by a court;
(b) An action is filed for the dissolution or annulment of the agent’s marriage
to the principal or for their legal separation, unless the power of attorney
otherwise provides; or
(c) The power of attorney terminates.
(3) If any person initiates judicial proceedings to determine the principal’s
incapacity or for the appointment of a guardian advocate, the authority granted
under the power of attorney is suspended until the petition is dismissed or
withdrawn or the court enters an order authorizing the agent to exercise one or
more powers granted under the power of attorney.
(a) If an emergency arises after initiation of proceedings to determine
incapacity and before adjudication regarding the principal’s capacity, the agent
may petition the court in which the proceeding is pending for authorization to
exercise a power granted under the power of attorney. The petition must set
forth the nature of the emergency, the property or matter involved, and the
power to be exercised by the agent.
(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, unless otherwise ordered by
the court, a proceeding to determine incapacity does not affect the authority of
the agent to make health care decisions for the principal, including, but not
limited to, those provided in chapter 765. If the principal has executed a
health care advance directive designating a health care surrogate, the terms of
the directive control if the directive and the power of attorney are in conflict
unless the power of attorney is later executed and expressly states otherwise.
(4) Termination or suspension of an agent’s authority or of a power of attorney
is not effective as to an agent who, without knowledge of the termination or
suspension, acts in good faith under the power of attorney. An act so performed,
unless otherwise invalid or unenforceable, binds the principal and the
principal’s successors in interest.
History.—s. 11, ch. 2011-210.
#192. To: Palmdale (#186)
Including the cat?
#193. To: nolu chan (#190)
good intent does not overrule state law
#194. To: nolu chan (#192)
The State authorities acted to dispose of the cat.
#195. To: A Pole (#193)
What if the state of Florida ignores your points?
#196. To: Palmdale (#195)
#197. To: SOSO (#179)
"The Major Case Unit is not usually called in on no harm, no foul cases and still have them five weeks after the body is found. Why was the Major Case Unit called in?"
Who knows in what Goldi may have been entangled, with who and why tpaine and pericles were so interested in getting their hands on LP. How's that for setting off another conspiracy thread:)
I've been with LP since Goldi and Neil came up with the idea, helped build the first server, and have worked with it ever since behind the scenes.
How can I contribute? We do not yet have a means of accepting funds electronically (did I mention we were new?) though we will eventually. In the mean time contributions can be sent to:
12 Carroll Street, Suite 112
Westminster, MD 21157
#198. To: nolu chan (#191)
#199. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#190)
#200. To: A Pole (#193)
Will you sue them? Do you have standing for this?
#201. To: Fibr Dog (#198)
You sure are making a mountain out of a molehill. Unless you plan on contacting the authorities in Florida and wasting their time with this foolishness you are beating a dead horse for no other purpose than to hear the thud.
#202. To: Palmdale (#194)
Gotta link to the probate order?
#203. To: Nexus6, tpaine (#199)
They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name.
#204. To: nolu chan (#202)
I've got it hidden in a bottle of Holy Qettorett obtained from Indiana Jones.
#205. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#203)
The rights to an expired domain name have nothing to do with the archives of some prior user of the domain name. It gets authority to use the name only.
#206. To: Willie Green (#176)
If tpaine doesn't agree with Neil & sysadmin's decision, he can take them to probate court... --- No wait, tpaine doesn't have legal standing to do that, does he?
Oh well, Neil & sysadmin still acted responsibly to protect LP from being vandalized until Goldi's estate is settled. And tpaine should thank his lucky stars that he didn't illegally acquire control of Goldi's property.
#207. To: tpaine (#206)
I made it quite clear from the start of this farce that I did NOT want control of LP, I was willing to pay the bills as long as a membership chosen moderator tried to control the inmates.
#208. To: SOSO, implies he is the sysadmin-LP? (#181)
Yo, Bro, I believe that I made it abundantly clear that LP was not for sale.
BTW, do you have any sense of humor?
#209. To: Nexus6 (#199)
They ended up doing the only thing that was legal and let the domain name expire and buy it back up again under sysadmin's name.
Expires On January 18, 2016
Registered On January 18, 2011
Updated On January 06, 2015
#210. To: Operation 40 (#209)
There is a grace period after the name expires (at least 2 weeks) but as you can see it never expired. A whois privacy guard is in place but you can see the date of renewal. Who knows what names lurk behind the privacy shield? "sysadmin" does.
#211. To: Nexus6, tpaine (#205)
They attempted an illegal transfer of information that wasn't theirs to transfer.
#212. To: nolu chan, tpaine (#211)
Conversion
#213. To: Nexus6 (#199)
A sham election conducted by a couple of computer geeks without the common sense God gave a donkey. They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess.
#214. To: All (#0)
#215. To: Operation 40, Nexus6 (#209)
Expires On January 14, 2015
Registered On January 14, 2002
Updated On November 17, 2014
Registrant Contact Information:
Name: WhoisGuard Protected
Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
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Information Updated: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:42 UTC
#216. To: nolu chan, Operation 40, Nexus6 (#215)
#217. To: Murron, Operation40, Nexus6 (#216)
Registrar Info
Name eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status clientTransferProhibited
Important Dates
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Information Updated: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:54:55 UTC
#218. To: Murron, Operation40, Nexus6 (#217)
Contact Information
Owner Name Goldi-Lox
Email goldi@libertypost.org
#219. To: nolu chan (#217)
#220. To: tpaine (#219)
Looks to me like the sysadmin-LP is playing games with dates. How is that possible? - Is it possible hack that registry site?
#221. To: tpaine, nolu chan (#219)
like the sysadmin-LP is playing games
#222. To: A Pole (#221)
#223. To: A Pole, tpaine (#221)
Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?
I've been with LP since Goldi and Neil came up with the idea, helped build the first server, and have worked with it ever since behind the scenes.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff - Appellee,
v.
JOHN B. KOTMAIR, JR., D/B/A SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP AND NATIONAL WORKERS RIGHTS COMMITTEE; SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP, AN UNINCORPORATED ASSOCIATION,
Defendants - Appellants.
FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT
the District of Maryland, at Baltimore.
William M. Nickerson, Senior District Judge.
(1:05-cv-01297-WMN)
Decided: July 26, 2007 SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP v. U.S. Civil Action No. MJG-95-935.
v.
UNITED STATES of America, Defendant.
December 18, 1996.
Washington, DC, for Plaintiff.
#224. To: nolu chan (#223)
Why are you trying to attack "sysadmin-LP"?
#225. To: nolu chan (#185)
Wait for what?
Probate of the estate. The legal process.
#226. To: Fibr Dog, nolu chan (#198)
You sure are making a mountain out of a molehill. Unless you plan on contacting the authorities in Florida and wasting their time with this foolishness you are beating a dead horse for no other purpose than to hear the thud. To what purpose?
#227. To: Nexus6 (#199)
(Edited)
Chan is correct. Sysadmin and Neil had absolutely no right to offer anything to anyone under the Liberty Post name. They were essentially offering what was not theirs to offer to you and or Pericles. With no will and not being corporate officers, their actions were their own and most likely illegal.
I am 110% certain that one or both asked a lawyer, after they had started their dog and pony show, as to what was legal or not and were told what to do to avoid any legal trouble.
They are lucky... so far. A government stooge with a little time on their hands could make their lives miserable for a while as they dig into the mess.
#228. To: Pinguinite, Fibr Dog, nolu chan (#226)
I fully and heartily recommend that Nolu do his civic duty and contact the state of Florida and inform them of this grave injustice.
#229. To: Nexus6 (#207)
You would have had a hell of a time explaining that to a government worker bee looking for $$$ from Goldi's estate. You are damn lucky those two dopes figured it out before they got themselves and you or Pericles in some trouble.
#230. To: Nexus6 (#210)
You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it. Someone may be in some trouble over this.
#231. To: nolu chan (#220)
Maybe I misunderstand the data, but that, and the background of the site origin, make me curious about what happened when. Who updated on November 17 and what did they update?
#232. To: nolu chan (#215)
Expires On January 14, 2015
Registered On January 14, 2002
Updated On November 17, 2014
libertypost.org expired
As your post #218 indicates, it was renewed/updated on 1/06/15. Was .org also "updated" on 11/17? And if so, who and why?
#233. To: Nexus6 (#210)
You can bet the State of Florida will find out if they think they can get some money out of it.
#234. To: Pinguinite (#227)
over a domain name generates zero income
#235. To: Operation 40 (#234)
That was entirely Goldi's fault. She didn't want advertising, and she didn't or couldn't or wouldn't entertain alternatives that don't plaster ads on the front page. (at least as far as I could make out from her limited responses anytime the subject was brought up)
Libertypost.com is the prize, owned by the USPS. But Liberty post.net is not exactly a throwaway. It could be worth at least a few thousand dollars without a website and developed like it was (even though only 100 or so regular posters) could have been valued at more than that. Take a look at the garbage that is actually selling at https://flippa.com/
Any idea who updated libertypost.org and .net in November? Why would that have happened just a few days after her death?
#236. To: Operation 40 (#234)
"over a domain name generates zero income"
developed like it was (even though only 100 or so regular posters) could have been valued at more than that
#237. To: nolu chan (#215)
Curiously, Goldi's body was found on November 13, 2014 and the registration was updated on November 17, 2014. Whodunnit?
#238. To: nolu chan (#218)
Email goldi@libertypost.org
#239. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone, nolu chan, Devil Anse (#227)
(Edited)
#240. To: Pinguinite (#229)
#241. To: A Pole (#233)
#242. To: TooConservative (#237)
The registrar might have done it.
#243. To: TooConservative (#239)
nolu, it's time to move on from this topic. You've made your points.
#244. To: Operation 40 (#243)
I'm new here, are you a moderator?
#245. To: Operation 40 (#242)
You're like the guy that reads Cooking for Dummies and thinks they are a Chef.
#246. To: All (#0)
#247. To: nolu chan (#223)
#248. To: Pinguinite (#247)
Morality trumps laws of man. And there are times when doing the right moral thing means going against what some men have made into law. There are no shortage of examples of this throughout history, the illegality of the American Revolution being only a single but significant example. Those who fail to recognize this lack moral fiber and any moral vision whatsoever.
#249. To: Pinguinite (#247)
#250. To: Nexus6 (#249)
Hopefully the next time someone commits a petty crime
#251. To: Palmdale (#250)
Are you accusing someone of a criminal act?
#252. To: Nexus6 (#251)
That would be for the courts to decide.
#253. To: Orthodoxa (#248)
(Edited)
#254. To: A Pole (#224)
Seems like a vindictive personality attack. Not a political debate. Is your objective to punish or intimidate "sysadmin-LP"?
#255. To: Pinguinite (#225)
And who says SysAdmin isn't waiting?
You simply rehash the same claim about LP belonging to Florida.
Probate. Court procedure by which a will is proved to be valid or invalid; though in current usage this term has been expanded to generally refer to the legal process wherein the estate of a decedent is administered. Generally, the probate process involves collecting a decedent's assets, liquidating liabilities, paying necessary taxes, and distributing property to heirs. These activities are carried out by the executor or administrator of the estate, usually under the supervision of the probate court or other court of appropriate jurisdiction.
#256. To: Pinguinite (#226)
Indeed. I fully and heartily recommend that Nolu do his civic duty and contact the state of Florida and inform them of this grave injustice.
#257. To: Pinguinite (#231)
May I suggest getting the good Dr. Watson involved? Perhaps Moriarty is involved, staked out in Panama?
#258. To: nolu chan (#255)
Actions he had no authority to take.
#259. To: Pinguinite (#247)
John Kotmair's son, Edward, to the best of my knowledge was never a member of SAPF, and consequently, any actions of his are his alone, and do not reflect on the fellowship.
Kotmair next challenges the sufficiency of the evidence to support his convictions. Kotmair stipulated that he did not file tax returns for 1990, 1991, and 1992, and that his income exceeded the exemption amounts. The only issue before the jury was whether Kotmair's failure to file was willful. See Cheek v. United States, 498 U.S. 192, 201-02 (1991). The trial evidence, viewed in the light most favorable to the government, Glasser v. United States, 315 U.S. 60, 80 (1942), showed that Kotmair had large amounts of income for the years in question, he failed to keep business records, he conducted business largely on a cash basis, he attempted to hide income and assets by requiring payments in amounts less than $10,000, he belonged to a tax protest organization, namely Save a Patriot Fellowship, he was notified by the IRS of his duty to file a return, and his father--founder of Save a Patriot--went to jail for his failure to file. This evidence was sufficient for the jury to infer that Kotmair's failure to file was willful.
The final issue Kotmair raises is whether the district court clearly erred in enhancing Kotmair's offense level by two for the use of sophisticated means to impede the discovery of the nature or extent of his offense. "Sophisticated means" includes"conduct that is more complex or demonstrates greater intricacy or planning than a routine tax evasion case." USSG § 2T1.2, comment. (n.2). The district court applied the enhancement after noting that Kotmair engaged in structuring and laundering of his income to prevent the creation of currency transaction reports. Because Kotmair failed to offer any evidence to refute the findings in the presentence report, there was no clear error by the district court in adopting these findings.
RALEIGH - United States Attorney Janice McKenzie Cole announced that EDWARD L. KOTMAIR (http://www.save-a-patriot.org) 41, of Westminster, Maryland, was sentenced in federal court here on Thursday, February 3, 2000, for failure to file federal income tax returns. Chief U. S. District Judge Terrence W. Boyle imposed a sentence of 27 months imprisonment and a supervised release term of one year.
#260. To: nolu chan (#259)
#261. To: Pinguinite (#247)
Morality trumps laws of man. And there are times when doing the right moral thing means going against what some men have made into law. There are no shortage of examples of this throughout history, the illegality of the American Revolution being only a single but significant example. Those who fail to recognize this lack moral fiber and any moral vision whatsoever.
You may now continue your hyper sensitivity to the outcome of the dispensation of a single, virtually worthless web site while ignoring gross, far-reaching human rights abuses committed daily by the US government and other supposed authorities.
SAPF has both won and lost cases against the US government in federal court. Most notably winning a case after a highly publicized federal armed raid which seized everything from the fellowship. The government was subsequently ordered by the court in that case to return everything (literally truckloads) taken from the fellowship at it's own expense.
the Court finds that the $384 of cash, the $210 of money orders and $40 of Susan B. Anthony Dollars found at the Office were, when found, property of the SAP Fellowship which had not yet been mingled with Kotmair's personal assets.
"Save-a-Patriot" (John B. Kotmair) In re Angstadt (Bankr. ED Penn unpub 8/17/94) ("we have come to understand that ‘patriot’ may be a buzz-word for ‘tax protester’."); Kotmair v. CIR (6/19/86) 86 TC 1253; (awareness by perp that founder Kotmair had been convicted of tax evasion serves to negate good faith defense) US v. Crosson (ED Penn unpub 12/20/95); ("Save-a-Patriot" organization cited for contempt of court for its interference with a bankruptcy court proceeding) In re Weatherley (ED Penn unpub 7/15/93); (organization forbidden to accept money for its amateur advice to a litigant in bankruptcy court) In re Weatherley (Bankr. ED Penn 1994) 169 Bankr.Rptr 555, 25 Bankr.Ct.Dec 1427; (in perhaps its only court victory, the organization described itself as a church, and claimed to possess a vial of holy oil from the Temple in Jerusalem, to perform weddings, (allegedly) subsidize incarcerated members who have "resisted and delayed the tyrants at every step through the criminal investigation and all other agency and court proceedings", sell tax-dodge publications as holy scriptures, and (generously) support Kotmair as their cleric, etc. Save-a-Patriot Fellowship v. US (D Md 1996) 962 F.Supp 695; Kotmair refused give testimony voluntarily for one of his followers who was prosecuted for multiple tax evasion. US v. D.D. Murphy (7th Cir unpub 6/10/99);
#262. To: Biff Tannen (#260)
Do you get invited to many parties?
#263. To: Biff Tannen, nolu chan (#260)
Do you get invited to many parties?
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