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Title: Jan. 6 House Speaker Vote: Conservative Coup Against Boehner?
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URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew ... servative-coup-against-boehner
Published: Dec 30, 2014
Author: by Raven Clabough
Post Date: 2014-12-30 20:48:21 by out damned spot
Keywords: Speaker, Vote, Boehner
Views: 12344
Comments: 20

Conservative members of Congress are frustrated with House Speaker John Boehner’s (shown) leadership and are expected to opt for a change on January 6, when the official speaker’s election is held. While this vote is typically just a formality, conservative lawmakers are hoping to use the opportunity to remove the Ohio Republican, who has served as speaker since 2011.

After the November elections, Republicans had decided behind closed doors that they would be nominating Boehner (R-Ohio) for speaker and did not offer any other nominees.

“Rep. Boehner was selected as the House Republican Conference’s choice for Speaker last month,” Boehner aide Michael Steel wrote in an e-mail, “and he expects to be elected by the whole House next week.”

But some of the more conservative members of Congress are not on board. Fox News reports that some "disaffected conservative House Republicans" intend to "rebel and vote against John Boehner for speaker of the House" next month.

“Right now, I’ve been meeting with a small group, and we — about 16, 18 — and we’re hoping to have a name of a sitting member of Congress that we can call out their name,” North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones said in a local radio interview before Christmas.

And while most of those planning to vote against Boehner have remained quiet, some have subtly made their points. Representative Tom Massie (R-Ky.), for example, posted a photo of a sign on his Twitter that reads, “Next Speaker Please.”

Likewise, some newly-elected Republican members of the House campaigned on a pledge not to vote for Boehner and have indicated that they will stay true to that promise.

Though it is considered a longshot for Boehner to lose the seat, conservatives are hoping to secure enough votes to deny him a majority, which would force a vote until someone reaches the necessary majority threshold.

This is not the first time that efforts have been made to remove Boehner as speaker. Fox News observes,

Such an attempt was tried two years ago, but ultimately failed: a group of conservatives tried to overthrow Boehner during the public vote, but only nine conservatives, frustrated with Boehner’s leadership, ended up voting against him. Organizers of that effort said more people had committed to vote against Boehner beforehand, but backed out before the vote.

Fox News explains that those who would be interested in selecting a new House speaker may be intimidated by having to stand up and call out the name of the person they are supporting. If others do not join them, they stand alone and may experience some humiliation, as well as retribution when it is time to assign committees.

But for some conservatives, the consequences may be worth it, as lawmakers have voiced frustrations with Boehner’s leadership over the years — frustrations which were intensified during the recent budget deal.

And the campaign to remove Boehner as House speaker has gained momentum outside of Congress as well. WND’s CEO Joseph Farah has launched a letter-writing campaign entitled “Don’t be Yellow: Dump Boehner Now!” Those who enlist in the campaign will have a letter submitted to every House Republican on their behalf imploring them to remove Boehner and elect a stronger leader. The letter reads:

Two huge issues, more than any others, prompted Americans to turn in droves to the Republican Party in November 2014 — Barack Obama’s blatantly unconstitutional executive action to provide amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and the deliberately deceptive restructuring of America’s health-care system through Obamacare, which threatens to completely unravel the greatest health delivery system in the world.

Before the election, you and virtually every Republican running for Congress solemnly vowed to STOP this lame-duck president who is so determined to do whatever he wants, the Constitution be damned — while essentially daring Congress to "Try and stop me."

NOW YOU HAVE THE POWER, RIGHT AND DUTY TO STOP HIM. But it won't happen with John Boehner leading you. You know this to be true. The trillion-dollar budget deal is just the latest proof that Boehner is not capable of leading the House to victory during this critical period. He must be replaced.

Please act as if your country depends on what you do right now — because it truly does.

Thank you — the nation is watching. [Emphasis in original.]

In 2010, WND led a FedEx campaign that resulted in over nine million “pink slips” reaching Congress to warn members what would happen in November if they did not change their ways.

Over 500,000 letters have already been scheduled for delivery through the Don’t Be Yellow: Dump Boehner Now! campaign.

Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips has also endorsed the campaign to remove Boehner as speaker.

“Mr. Boehner made the obligatory statements about cutting spending and reducing Obamacare. Yet time after time, when the occasion called for him to stand and fight, he chose surrender,” Phillips told WND, adding that "2014 is almost over and 2015 is almost here. The first order of business for the House of Representatives in 2015 is to elect a new Speaker of the House. It cannot be John Boehner.”

Phillips cited the Republicans’ recent concessions to the Obama administration as the final straw.

“A month after its incredible victory, the GOP squandered its mandate, surrendering to the Democrats,” he asserted. “The GOP-led House of Representatives did not proclaim its mandate and hold off on major decisions until the Republican majority in the Senate was sworn in. No, they went to the GOP position of preemptive surrender and gave President Obama and the Democrats almost everything they wanted.”

“Despite the pleas and demands from the base, the GOP did nothing to stop Mr. Obama’s executive amnesty. They even rewarded left-wing billionaires who had spent millions to keep the Democrats in power by extending so-called ‘Green Energy’ subsidies,” concludes Phillips. “The architect of the Republican surrender was House Speaker John Boehner.”

Other critics argue that the problem does not lie simply with Boehner but with the entire GOP leadership.

Layne Hansen opined in the American Thinker blog, “It is time to stop thinking of John Boehner and the rest of the Republican congressional leadership as being cowardly and recognize them for what they are: part of The Ruling Class that believes it has the right to tell the rest of us how to live.”

“The current GOP leadership has got to go; this has ceased to be an arguable point. We cannot count on these people to do what is right. Conservatives did not give them majorities in both chambers for them to keep playing the same game,” Hansen wrote.

Still, some conservatives expect Boehner to retain his role as speaker of the House regardless of the dissatisfaction pervading that chamber. Newly elected Republican Representative Gary Palmer (R-Ala.), who campaigned on a pledge not to reelect Boehner, said that while he intends to keep his promise, he is “fully aware that he will be the speaker again.”

Furthermore, Palmer voiced some of the concerns that likely plague other conservatives who fear retribution if they stand against Boehner. “I'm fully aware of what that might mean in terms of committee assignments — I, very likely, will be the lowest ranking guy on the committee that's in charge of making sure we have clean bathrooms," Palmer said.

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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)

One can only hope. The establishment has a stronger hold on the party than I originally thought. It is going to be a tough fight, hopefully a winnable one, to wrest control from them.

Nexus6  posted on  2014-12-30   22:23:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Nexus6, out damned spot (#1)

" The establishment has a stronger hold on the party than I originally thought. It is going to be a tough fight, hopefully a winnable one, to wrest control from them. "

Yes, let us hope he ( boner )is dethroned. But the true target should be the "GOP establishment". And yes, they have a strong hold on the party. It will be very difficult to wrest control from them!

I do not know what will be more difficult, taking over the Republican Party, or starting a viable 2nd party.

Sadly, I do not see a political solution to our nations ills!

Stoner  posted on  2014-12-31   13:34:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Stoner (#6)

I do not know what will be more difficult, taking over the Republican Party, or starting a viable 2nd party.

If you think about it, you can know.

The Republican Party's first electoral victory was Abraham Lincoln, in a three- way vote split that saw him take the office on abolitionist sentiment in the North.

But abolitionism achieved its objective in the Civil War. Lincoln himself was not a radical abolitionist, at least not in his public letters (his actual actions as President show that he was a lot more radically opposed to slavery than his public statements when trying to get elected let on. Once the South was gone and the war was on, Lincoln stopped being as coy about his views). By 1865, slavery was done and then Lincoln was dead.

His successor, Andrew Johnson, was a Southern Democrat, and the Radical Republicans fought with him for four years radically transform the country.

In 1868, though, Johnson was gone, slavery was gone and US Grant was elected President. The South was broken and impoverished and many of the former political leaders were not allowed to hold office because of rebellion. So, the Republicans had a monopoly of power for 8 years, until 1876.

What did they do with the monopoly of power? Well, the well-heeled industrialists of the North, the winning side in the Civil War, with almost all of the money and all of the political control, turned the Republican Party into a political machine for the business class. And that is what it has remained to this day.

It is 2015, 147 years, 74 consecutive election cycles, since US Grant was elected President and the Republican Party solidified as the party of crony capitalism. It has never changed, and there has never been anything approaching a loss of control.

And if you think about it dispassionately, you will recognize that "taking over" the Republican Party is impossible. Flat out impossible. Why? Because the "Party" is really two things. There are the people who "register" as Republicans and who go vote once every two years or so. Among them there are some "activists" who stuff envelopes and send in some checks for a few hundred dollars. And then there is the professional, paid party - the people who organize those "activists" and give them their marching orders and materials.

THOSE people, the professional party - they are the permanent staff. They are not volunteers. They are paid professionals.

Who pays them? Where does the money come from to pay for them? Some are Congressional Staffers, partly paid for by the Congressional budget, but what about the party out there across the land? They're not paid for by Congress. They're paid out of party coffers. Some of the money in party coffers are transfers from campaign contributions, but most of that money comes in the form of large, direct contributions.

From whom?

There's no "candidate" here. This is not little people voters throwing a few dollars into the kitty. It's the crony capitalists writing large checks to OPERATE the party. The STAFF of the Party - the full time paid professional staff - the people who DIRECT the volunteers, who choose the volunteer lawyers to fight cases, who permamently take polls and who sign leases for space and who generally do the same thing that paid employees of any other company do: THAT is the permanent structure of the Republican Party.

It is, in effect, a private civil service. Now, figure that there's somebody in every county in most states, and there are more at the state level, and more in Washington.

To whom do these people answer? Their EMPLOYERS. Not "the voters" or "the will of the people". No. They answer to the people who employ them, who pay their paychecks, who provide their health insurance and bonuses and other perks.

And where does the millions and millions of dollars come from to pay for the political civil service? Not from you and me. It comes from the crony capitalist donors.

Say that the grass roots impose a Tea Partier in a primary, and s/he wins. Ok. Now she's in office, with a small staff. Does the professional party civil service belong to her now? Of course not. SHE doesn't pay their paychecks. SHE can't hire or fire them. She can express her opinion, but she's not even in the loop on their employment structure. The professional staff does not "belong to" the politicians. It BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY IT.

And it will work diligently, tirelessly, to keep Republicans organized in her district to replace her in the next few election cycles (even if that means letting a Democrat win, in order to wipe her out). And there is nothing she can do about it. NOTHING. The only thing she can do is hire a staff. But where is a politician going to get the $20 or $30 million a year to run a company that produces no profit, a political civil service?

Nowhere. She isn't going to get it anywhere. Grass roots activists don't have that kind of money to plunk down on a constant basis. Big business does.

And that is why election results are irrelevant to the control of the party. The party apparatus is professional, paid staff, all across the country. They get a paycheck and benefits. They are a political civil service. They do not answer to Congress or to politicians. They answer to the people who PAY them, and their leadership is not chosen politically. It is paid staff. The crony capitalists pay the salaries and rent, and therefore they control the party, and they always will.

So, is it easier to take over the Republican Party or to start a viable 2nd Party?

Consider the above, and you will realize that it is FLATLY IMPOSSIBLE to take over the Republican Party unless you're a crony capitalist with the money to BUY THE STAFF. But if you're a crony capitalist, you ALREADY own the staff of the GOP (or the Democrats).

Starting a 3rd party is hard. Making it viable is real hard. But over against flatly impossible, real hard is the way to go.

The Republican Party can only be taken over by the grassroots if the grassroots are willing to transfer their money on a constant basis to pay for the permanent staff, and then ALSO give what they give for the general elections.

Figure $30 million a year for a mid-sized state. If you had 1 million GOP rank and file members, that'd be $30 apiece. But you're going to have maybe 10,000 true believers. Are you ready to pony up $3000 per year, every year, to go into a kitty to pay staff that you don't supervise, win or lose?

The AMA and Microsoft and JP Morgan do that without breaking a sweat. In fact, they get a benefit from it: control of a political party. Can rank and file Tea Party folks? Not a hope in hell.

The Republican Party CANNOT BE TAKEN OVER. That is reality. And what I've said above is precisely WHY.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-02   7:28:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

"...It is 2015, 147 years, 74 consecutive election cycles, since US Grant was elected President and the Republican Party solidified as the party of crony capitalism. It has never changed..."

If you are correct, what does that make republican voters?

I think the term that fits is: "useful idiots"

Jameson  posted on  2015-01-02   8:40:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jameson (#9)

If you are correct, what does that make republican voters?

I think the term that fits is: "useful idiots"

Well, I was a Republican voter most of my adult life. I had my reasons.

First, it was because I was convinced (back then) that the Republicans were the party of really fighting the Cold War, while the Democrats were appeasers of Communists. That's not true, but that's what I believed. I thought stopping the Soviets was the most important thing in the world (it wasn't, but at the time I thought it was), so naturally I voted for the "Cold War" party.

After the Cold War, my reasoning shifted a bit. I voted for Perot in '92, but in '96 I voted for Dole because he was old and honorable, and Clinton was a scumbag...as I saw it then.

In 2000 I voted for W because Gore was Clinton's legacy, as I saw it. Then came the 9/11 attacks. I was there at Ground Zero at work that day. I was a rabid "War On Terror" supporter. Democrat opposition to the war pissed me off.

But from my perspective, W began to screw up immediately, when he didn't ask for a Declaration of War. Without the DoW, I was convinced we could not win (and I was right), but I permitted myself to hope I was wrong. The war needed to be fought!, I thought. After Bush's re-election two things happened that caused me to turn on the GOP and walk away.

Throughout all the time after 2001, when I had some divine visitations and visions, I became markedly more religious and attuned to God. Whereas before I had been a militarist, with the onset of God I became very focused on life itself, and on being pro-life. Now, the GOP had always touted itself as the pro-life party, so it seemed like a natural fit.

But then W named Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court - a pro-abortion type. And then during an Easter Week, George and Jeb Bush conspired by their collective inaction to kill Terri Schiavo by thirst.

I never forgave them for it, and I never forgave the Republican apologists. It was CLEAR what happened, and why.

So now I've watched the Republicans run Romney - a pro-abortion guy - and I realize clearly that it's not a pro-life party, that it commits to wars to pump up defense contractors (more crony capitalism) but it doesn't win and doesn't take care of veterans, and that it's incompetent at war and economics to boot. Republican politicians are vile people. Republican voters are either dupes, or they're true believers in vile things. A pox on them.

Democrats are full-throated enthusiastic babykillers, so they're just vile.

That leaves me with nobody to vote for.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-02   13:44:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

"...throughout all the time after 2001, when I had some divine visitations and visions..."

"...divine visitations and visions..."

I'm interested in hearing more about this....

"...I realize clearly that it's not a pro-life party, that it commits to wars to pump up defense contractors (more crony capitalism) but it doesn't win and doesn't take care of veterans, and that it's incompetent at war and economics to boot. Republican politicians are vile people. Republican voters are either dupes, or they're true believers in vile things. A pox on them.

Democrats are full-throated enthusiastic babykillers, so they're just vile.

So, it sounds like you're pretty much of a one issue person?

That leaves me with nobody to vote for.

So what are you going to do?

Jameson  posted on  2015-01-04   14:42:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jameson (#16)

So what are you going to do?

I'm going to not worry about it and get on with living my life.

If the Republicans or a third party that is pro-life presents a candidate that it acceptable, I'll vote for him. Otherwise, I won't vote.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-01-04   21:46:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#18)

If the Republicans or a third party that is pro-life presents a candidate that it acceptable, I'll vote for him. Otherwise, I won't vote.

I understand. Thanks

Jameson  posted on  2015-01-05   5:24:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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