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Title: Jan. 6 House Speaker Vote: Conservative Coup Against Boehner?
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URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew ... servative-coup-against-boehner
Published: Dec 30, 2014
Author: by Raven Clabough
Post Date: 2014-12-30 20:48:21 by out damned spot
Keywords: Speaker, Vote, Boehner
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Conservative members of Congress are frustrated with House Speaker John Boehner’s (shown) leadership and are expected to opt for a change on January 6, when the official speaker’s election is held. While this vote is typically just a formality, conservative lawmakers are hoping to use the opportunity to remove the Ohio Republican, who has served as speaker since 2011. After the November elections, Republicans had decided behind closed doors that they would be nominating Boehner (R-Ohio) for speaker and did not offer any other nominees. “Rep. Boehner was selected as the House Republican Conference’s choice for Speaker last month,” Boehner aide Michael Steel wrote in an e-mail, “and he expects to be elected by the whole House next week.” But some of the more conservative members of Congress are not on board. Fox News reports that some "disaffected conservative House Republicans" intend to "rebel and vote against John Boehner for speaker of the House" next month. “Right now, I’ve been meeting with a small group, and we — about 16, 18 — and we’re hoping to have a name of a sitting member of Congress that we can call out their name,” North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones said in a local radio interview before Christmas. And while most of those planning to vote against Boehner have remained quiet, some have subtly made their points. Representative Tom Massie (R-Ky.), for example, posted a photo of a sign on his Twitter that reads, “Next Speaker Please.” Likewise, some newly-elected Republican members of the House campaigned on a pledge not to vote for Boehner and have indicated that they will stay true to that promise. Though it is considered a longshot for Boehner to lose the seat, conservatives are hoping to secure enough votes to deny him a majority, which would force a vote until someone reaches the necessary majority threshold. This is not the first time that efforts have been made to remove Boehner as speaker. Fox News observes, Such an attempt was tried two years ago, but ultimately failed: a group of conservatives tried to overthrow Boehner during the public vote, but only nine conservatives, frustrated with Boehner’s leadership, ended up voting against him. Organizers of that effort said more people had committed to vote against Boehner beforehand, but backed out before the vote. Fox News explains that those who would be interested in selecting a new House speaker may be intimidated by having to stand up and call out the name of the person they are supporting. If others do not join them, they stand alone and may experience some humiliation, as well as retribution when it is time to assign committees. But for some conservatives, the consequences may be worth it, as lawmakers have voiced frustrations with Boehner’s leadership over the years — frustrations which were intensified during the recent budget deal. And the campaign to remove Boehner as House speaker has gained momentum outside of Congress as well. WND’s CEO Joseph Farah has launched a letter-writing campaign entitled “Don’t be Yellow: Dump Boehner Now!” Those who enlist in the campaign will have a letter submitted to every House Republican on their behalf imploring them to remove Boehner and elect a stronger leader. The letter reads: Two huge issues, more than any others, prompted Americans to turn in droves to the Republican Party in November 2014 — Barack Obama’s blatantly unconstitutional executive action to provide amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and the deliberately deceptive restructuring of America’s health-care system through Obamacare, which threatens to completely unravel the greatest health delivery system in the world. Before the election, you and virtually every Republican running for Congress solemnly vowed to STOP this lame-duck president who is so determined to do whatever he wants, the Constitution be damned — while essentially daring Congress to "Try and stop me." NOW YOU HAVE THE POWER, RIGHT AND DUTY TO STOP HIM. But it won't happen with John Boehner leading you. You know this to be true. The trillion-dollar budget deal is just the latest proof that Boehner is not capable of leading the House to victory during this critical period. He must be replaced. Please act as if your country depends on what you do right now — because it truly does. Thank you — the nation is watching. [Emphasis in original.] In 2010, WND led a FedEx campaign that resulted in over nine million “pink slips” reaching Congress to warn members what would happen in November if they did not change their ways. Over 500,000 letters have already been scheduled for delivery through the Don’t Be Yellow: Dump Boehner Now! campaign. Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips has also endorsed the campaign to remove Boehner as speaker. “Mr. Boehner made the obligatory statements about cutting spending and reducing Obamacare. Yet time after time, when the occasion called for him to stand and fight, he chose surrender,” Phillips told WND, adding that "2014 is almost over and 2015 is almost here. The first order of business for the House of Representatives in 2015 is to elect a new Speaker of the House. It cannot be John Boehner.” Phillips cited the Republicans’ recent concessions to the Obama administration as the final straw. “A month after its incredible victory, the GOP squandered its mandate, surrendering to the Democrats,” he asserted. “The GOP-led House of Representatives did not proclaim its mandate and hold off on major decisions until the Republican majority in the Senate was sworn in. No, they went to the GOP position of preemptive surrender and gave President Obama and the Democrats almost everything they wanted.” “Despite the pleas and demands from the base, the GOP did nothing to stop Mr. Obama’s executive amnesty. They even rewarded left-wing billionaires who had spent millions to keep the Democrats in power by extending so-called ‘Green Energy’ subsidies,” concludes Phillips. “The architect of the Republican surrender was House Speaker John Boehner.” Other critics argue that the problem does not lie simply with Boehner but with the entire GOP leadership. Layne Hansen opined in the American Thinker blog, “It is time to stop thinking of John Boehner and the rest of the Republican congressional leadership as being cowardly and recognize them for what they are: part of The Ruling Class that believes it has the right to tell the rest of us how to live.” “The current GOP leadership has got to go; this has ceased to be an arguable point. We cannot count on these people to do what is right. Conservatives did not give them majorities in both chambers for them to keep playing the same game,” Hansen wrote. Still, some conservatives expect Boehner to retain his role as speaker of the House regardless of the dissatisfaction pervading that chamber. Newly elected Republican Representative Gary Palmer (R-Ala.), who campaigned on a pledge not to reelect Boehner, said that while he intends to keep his promise, he is “fully aware that he will be the speaker again.” Furthermore, Palmer voiced some of the concerns that likely plague other conservatives who fear retribution if they stand against Boehner. “I'm fully aware of what that might mean in terms of committee assignments — I, very likely, will be the lowest ranking guy on the committee that's in charge of making sure we have clean bathrooms," Palmer said.
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#1. To: out damned spot (#0)
One can only hope. The establishment has a stronger hold on the party than I originally thought. It is going to be a tough fight, hopefully a winnable one, to wrest control from them.
It is going to be Poland versus the Third Reich. The Country Club Establishment IS the Republican Party, and the "Tea Folk" are the lawn crew, nothing more. The lawn crew never takes control of the country club. Boehner will remain Speaker. The question is: will the lawn crew quit the Country Club and go set up their OWN club. If they don't, then they'll keep cutting the lawn, and nothing more, ever.
Interesting analogy........
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Interesting analogy........ It's what came to mind: cavalry charging tanks. Brave. Hopeless. I guess the analogy makes me a fail due to Godwin's Law.
HAHAHAHA! I'd forgotten about that!
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Yes, let us hope he ( boner )is dethroned. But the true target should be the "GOP establishment". And yes, they have a strong hold on the party. It will be very difficult to wrest control from them! I do not know what will be more difficult, taking over the Republican Party, or starting a viable 2nd party. Sadly, I do not see a political solution to our nations ills!
The solution is a prompt personal and familial force march away from the consumer society. The way that is done is by taking your patch of land and growing FOOD on it. The way that is done most efficiently is by the medieval French soil building techniques, done with simple hand tools. The best way to learn that is to look at the perfection of the technique as studied, tested, enhanced and deepened by John Jeavons, fully summarized in his simple book "How To Grow More Vegetables". Do THAT, and 1/8 acre will feed a man virtually everything. A suburban backyard can cut food costs for a family by 75% and make everybody healthier. Done on a family-wide scale and people can start checking off the food grid, and suddenly there is a margin again...a margin for the payoff of debt, never to return. Freedom begets more freedom...unless it is simply squandered on more consumer crap. On a personal scale it makes you healthier and freer. On a family scale, it brings greater economic range of motion. On a neighborhood scale, it brings closeness and purpose and community and makes your life better. On a town-wide scale, it puts Wal-Mart out of business, and McDonald's, and that starts to move things. Obesity - down - less need for doctors. Costs - down. Property - valued by the yard more and more - the house is just where you live. Feed yourself and you are free. Stop watching TV and spending time on the Internet. Use your free time to read the Bible, and Jeavons, and once you've got Jeavons down, learn woods lore and wild field forage, whatever your climate is. Food freedom is freedom and health. Everything changes when you can feed yourself off the grid.
If you think about it, you can know. The Republican Party's first electoral victory was Abraham Lincoln, in a three- way vote split that saw him take the office on abolitionist sentiment in the North. But abolitionism achieved its objective in the Civil War. Lincoln himself was not a radical abolitionist, at least not in his public letters (his actual actions as President show that he was a lot more radically opposed to slavery than his public statements when trying to get elected let on. Once the South was gone and the war was on, Lincoln stopped being as coy about his views). By 1865, slavery was done and then Lincoln was dead. His successor, Andrew Johnson, was a Southern Democrat, and the Radical Republicans fought with him for four years radically transform the country. In 1868, though, Johnson was gone, slavery was gone and US Grant was elected President. The South was broken and impoverished and many of the former political leaders were not allowed to hold office because of rebellion. So, the Republicans had a monopoly of power for 8 years, until 1876. What did they do with the monopoly of power? Well, the well-heeled industrialists of the North, the winning side in the Civil War, with almost all of the money and all of the political control, turned the Republican Party into a political machine for the business class. And that is what it has remained to this day. It is 2015, 147 years, 74 consecutive election cycles, since US Grant was elected President and the Republican Party solidified as the party of crony capitalism. It has never changed, and there has never been anything approaching a loss of control. And if you think about it dispassionately, you will recognize that "taking over" the Republican Party is impossible. Flat out impossible. Why? Because the "Party" is really two things. There are the people who "register" as Republicans and who go vote once every two years or so. Among them there are some "activists" who stuff envelopes and send in some checks for a few hundred dollars. And then there is the professional, paid party - the people who organize those "activists" and give them their marching orders and materials. THOSE people, the professional party - they are the permanent staff. They are not volunteers. They are paid professionals. Who pays them? Where does the money come from to pay for them? Some are Congressional Staffers, partly paid for by the Congressional budget, but what about the party out there across the land? They're not paid for by Congress. They're paid out of party coffers. Some of the money in party coffers are transfers from campaign contributions, but most of that money comes in the form of large, direct contributions. From whom? There's no "candidate" here. This is not little people voters throwing a few dollars into the kitty. It's the crony capitalists writing large checks to OPERATE the party. The STAFF of the Party - the full time paid professional staff - the people who DIRECT the volunteers, who choose the volunteer lawyers to fight cases, who permamently take polls and who sign leases for space and who generally do the same thing that paid employees of any other company do: THAT is the permanent structure of the Republican Party. It is, in effect, a private civil service. Now, figure that there's somebody in every county in most states, and there are more at the state level, and more in Washington. To whom do these people answer? Their EMPLOYERS. Not "the voters" or "the will of the people". No. They answer to the people who employ them, who pay their paychecks, who provide their health insurance and bonuses and other perks. And where does the millions and millions of dollars come from to pay for the political civil service? Not from you and me. It comes from the crony capitalist donors. Say that the grass roots impose a Tea Partier in a primary, and s/he wins. Ok. Now she's in office, with a small staff. Does the professional party civil service belong to her now? Of course not. SHE doesn't pay their paychecks. SHE can't hire or fire them. She can express her opinion, but she's not even in the loop on their employment structure. The professional staff does not "belong to" the politicians. It BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY IT. And it will work diligently, tirelessly, to keep Republicans organized in her district to replace her in the next few election cycles (even if that means letting a Democrat win, in order to wipe her out). And there is nothing she can do about it. NOTHING. The only thing she can do is hire a staff. But where is a politician going to get the $20 or $30 million a year to run a company that produces no profit, a political civil service? Nowhere. She isn't going to get it anywhere. Grass roots activists don't have that kind of money to plunk down on a constant basis. Big business does. And that is why election results are irrelevant to the control of the party. The party apparatus is professional, paid staff, all across the country. They get a paycheck and benefits. They are a political civil service. They do not answer to Congress or to politicians. They answer to the people who PAY them, and their leadership is not chosen politically. It is paid staff. The crony capitalists pay the salaries and rent, and therefore they control the party, and they always will. So, is it easier to take over the Republican Party or to start a viable 2nd Party? Consider the above, and you will realize that it is FLATLY IMPOSSIBLE to take over the Republican Party unless you're a crony capitalist with the money to BUY THE STAFF. But if you're a crony capitalist, you ALREADY own the staff of the GOP (or the Democrats). Starting a 3rd party is hard. Making it viable is real hard. But over against flatly impossible, real hard is the way to go. The Republican Party can only be taken over by the grassroots if the grassroots are willing to transfer their money on a constant basis to pay for the permanent staff, and then ALSO give what they give for the general elections. Figure $30 million a year for a mid-sized state. If you had 1 million GOP rank and file members, that'd be $30 apiece. But you're going to have maybe 10,000 true believers. Are you ready to pony up $3000 per year, every year, to go into a kitty to pay staff that you don't supervise, win or lose? The AMA and Microsoft and JP Morgan do that without breaking a sweat. In fact, they get a benefit from it: control of a political party. Can rank and file Tea Party folks? Not a hope in hell. The Republican Party CANNOT BE TAKEN OVER. That is reality. And what I've said above is precisely WHY.
If you are correct, what does that make republican voters? I think the term that fits is: "useful idiots"
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
I think the term that fits is: "useful idiots" Well, I was a Republican voter most of my adult life. I had my reasons. First, it was because I was convinced (back then) that the Republicans were the party of really fighting the Cold War, while the Democrats were appeasers of Communists. That's not true, but that's what I believed. I thought stopping the Soviets was the most important thing in the world (it wasn't, but at the time I thought it was), so naturally I voted for the "Cold War" party. After the Cold War, my reasoning shifted a bit. I voted for Perot in '92, but in '96 I voted for Dole because he was old and honorable, and Clinton was a scumbag...as I saw it then. In 2000 I voted for W because Gore was Clinton's legacy, as I saw it. Then came the 9/11 attacks. I was there at Ground Zero at work that day. I was a rabid "War On Terror" supporter. Democrat opposition to the war pissed me off. But from my perspective, W began to screw up immediately, when he didn't ask for a Declaration of War. Without the DoW, I was convinced we could not win (and I was right), but I permitted myself to hope I was wrong. The war needed to be fought!, I thought. After Bush's re-election two things happened that caused me to turn on the GOP and walk away. Throughout all the time after 2001, when I had some divine visitations and visions, I became markedly more religious and attuned to God. Whereas before I had been a militarist, with the onset of God I became very focused on life itself, and on being pro-life. Now, the GOP had always touted itself as the pro-life party, so it seemed like a natural fit. But then W named Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court - a pro-abortion type. And then during an Easter Week, George and Jeb Bush conspired by their collective inaction to kill Terri Schiavo by thirst. I never forgave them for it, and I never forgave the Republican apologists. It was CLEAR what happened, and why. So now I've watched the Republicans run Romney - a pro-abortion guy - and I realize clearly that it's not a pro-life party, that it commits to wars to pump up defense contractors (more crony capitalism) but it doesn't win and doesn't take care of veterans, and that it's incompetent at war and economics to boot. Republican politicians are vile people. Republican voters are either dupes, or they're true believers in vile things. A pox on them. Democrats are full-throated enthusiastic babykillers, so they're just vile. That leaves me with nobody to vote for.
I have long believed that to be true, and trying to do so is a fantasy some indulge in. I also am of the opinion that starting a viable 3rd party is equally a fantasy. The only way either one can happen, would be as a result of Divine intervention. BTW, thanks for the abbreviated history refresher.
The only way either one can happen, would be as a result of Divine intervention. BTW, thanks for the abbreviated history refresher. And it isn't really necessary anyway. Pull back and look at the really big picture. Countries come and go, but God remains. Countries come and go BECAUSE God remains. For God has a short, stern list of commandments. There aren't many of them: don't shed people's blood, don't worship false gods, don't be sexually immoral, don't steal, forgive as you would be forgiven. It's a short list, and anybody can obey it. Anybody. It's not easy to be sexually moral - and people slip: that's why the "saving grace" is the commandment about forgiveness: forgive as you would want to be forgiven. It's not easy to forgive debts and let money go. Most of all, it's not easy to build things that require other people without being able to resort to force and the threat of violence. America, for example, could not be the sea-to-shining-sea vast country it is - second largest land area of any country in the world (Canada is larger, but that's due to inland lakes; just count dry land, and the US is a few square miles bigger than Canada. Really.) - without a whole series of wars of bloody conquest. But, of course, wars of bloody conquest are, generally speaking, acts of mass murder in order to take something from somebody else. Certainly that's what the Indian Wars were; also the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 and the Mexican-American War. But consider the way that God treated the nations of old, when they conquered. They came in by violence, and won. God used the conqueror to punish the conquered for their evil. But the evils done by the conqueror - all of the killing of innocents - we may say "Well, that's war!", but God did not make a "war exception" to the absolute law against killing. Kill, in war, and you've broken the commandment. There's no "cop exception" either. Men have made "laws of kings" to let themselves off the hook morally for using violence when policing other people, or when fighting wars, but those laws are the handiwork of men, and God never ratified them, and consistently rejected them. The law is that if you kill an innocent, you are a murderer and will be so judged by God. Murderers do not enter the city. "It was war" is not an excuse. Nor can one point to the wars of Israelite conquest of Canaan. Those were a very special case for two reasons: (1) God stood in a pillar of flame before the whole of the Hebrews encamped in Sinai and audibly spoke to them, and this visible God explicitly told Moses, then Joshua, and all the people, to go in on a war of genocide to exterminate the Canaanites (OR DRIVE THEM OFF - note that God DID give the Canaanites an escape with their lives, if they chose to avail themselves of it). And God said that the REASON he was doing it was twofold: (1) the Canaanites were wholly wicked, even practicing human sacrifice and cult prostitution, and (2) if any remained, they would turn the Hebrews away from God to follow their demon gods. So, for those two explicit reasons God told the Hebrews, and nobody else, to conquer and denude of people a SPECIFIC land, which was given careful boundaries by God, to live in that land and be his people. In that one, and only, case, God not only used a conqueror to punish the conquered for their sins (God always does that), but God justified the CONQUEROR for the killing IF, and only if, the conquerors followed all of God's rules. In many cases, those rules included destroying ALL of the property - killing all the livestock, taking no slaves, destroying all of the homes and fields, and burning up and spreading the ashes of all of the booty. In those cases, God permitted no enrichment. The Israelites were to go in, fight, some of them die, bring justice upon the Canaanites by killing all of them, AND cleanse all of their property by completely destroying it, and taking nothing whatsoever for themselves as compensation for the risk of battle. In an early case, Jehrico, one single Israelite soldier thought that it was a shame to simply destroy very valuable property that was taken from the defeated, so he kept a little bit of it. God's response was to visit defeat and destruction on the Israelites until they halted the war and engaged in a judicial process to identify the lawbreaker. God pointed him out, and he, all of his property AND all of his family: his wives and children, were all killed and burned up - utterly destroyed. By destroying the family, God wiped out the man's seed - he wiped out EVERYTHING of that man's, so that nobody is descended from him, and nobody has any of the property that once was his. By this, God demonstrated that his standard of justice is TOTAL, and the degree of obedience he commands is ABSOLUTE. When he says "Take nothing for yourselves or you will be blotted out from under heaven forever" he means just exactly that. A man's "seed", his offspring, are an extension of him. In that case, God required the deaths of all of the man's wives and children as well, and the burning up of every scrap of property, so that NOTHING remained. Now, one might say that this contradicted God's law about not punishing children from the crimes of fathers, but this was a different case. That general rule is the law, but it applies to the judgments of MEN. In THIS case, the offending man was identified and judged by GOD, so there was no question of guilt. And of course the bodies and souls of every man belongs to GOD, and God will take all lives. So, if GOD decides that the time for a child to die is NOW, to cut off a man's seed, that is God's decision to make. But it is never a MAN'S decision to make, and if a man ever makes that decision, he has presumed to take on the authority of God - which was never granted. And that means that the man is always wrong. Now consider very carefully what that means for, say, bombing cities. The ways of warfare mean that the innocents are killed. MEN say that this is inevitable. It is not. Do not fight the war at all, and innocents will not be killed. So, if men CHOOSE to go to war, because they are angry, or acquisitive, and they kill innocents as "collateral damage", they are simply murderers, full stop. God never grant an EXCEPTION to the law against killing for "the necessities of war" or for "law enforcement". For war is not necessary, and any law enforcement that goes so far as to kill innocents is not legal at all and must not be done. Man's law is never (ever) important enough that, to uphold it, innocents "may" have to be killed. If innocents ARE killed, then the killer is a murderer and he will be thrown into the fire at judgment. Don't want to go to hell? Then don't take up the sword that may put you in that position. This would mean that things like the United States or the British Empire or the Roman Empire could never have been built in the first place. That's right. They could not be. So, now, consider. Here we are, Americans, born into a nation whose lands were seized by murder. The blood of the innocents will always be on the land until it is paid, and the nation itself bears that guilt. Whether or not that guilt could, one day, be expiated by repentance is almost irrelevant, for TODAY we continue to kill innocents by the millions, most notably by sacrificing babies, 2 million per year, on the altar of the god of sexual and economic convenience. Abortion makes us a nation of Molechites. The Molechite nations were destroyed by God. God didn't forgive them. Nor did God forgive the Egyptian Pharaoh and his army its cruelties: they all drowned in the Red Sea - none escaped. God used Assyria to destroy Israel, but he did not forgive the Assyrians their cruelty: Assyria was destroyed by Babylon. He used Babylon to destroy Judah in punishment for Judah's sins, but Babylon was destroyed by Persia for ITS sins. And then Persia was destroyed by Greece, Greece by Rome, and Rome by others. The others, little Germanic kingdoms, fell apart. Later kingdoms rose and conquered: Spain, Portugal, France, England...and their empires fell apart and those nations are dying out in their own lands. Russia rose and fell. America rose very high. We have not fallen yet, but the seeds of our demise are openly visible. And as you noted in your message, the political will to turn around the ship and save it cannot be found. Of course it can't! The nation was BUILT on evil! The colonial economy was built on the slave trade and on land grabs from Indians. Independence was gained by murder. The country expanded by murder. The country became wealthy and powerful through a particularly ruthless form of money worship that abolished slavery but went to sharecropping, and the chains of debt (which is never forgiven), and now the nation murders 2 million infants per year for convenience, the women don't have many children, foreigners are filling the land (as we would expect - damned nations always die out and lose their land in the Bible, and we cannot escape judgment without repentance). And the ethnicities of the ruling conquerors: the white Europeans, have lost their faith in God at an accelerating rate, and do as they please, fornicating, divorcing and killing millions of babies. Point out these truths, and you will be hated. You will be called an "America- hater". You will be compared with Jeremiah Wright. Well, Jeremiah Wright was actually right about the damnation coming to this land because of its evils. THAT is all in the Scripture, and God has behaved consistently to all evil empires. We're not "good" just because we call ourselves good. The Romans and Greeks and British and all of the other empires thought of themselves and their leaders as "good" also. God wasn't impressed, and he is not impressed with us either. This is obvious: we BUILT the nation by breaking his laws, and we currently violate his law against murder on a stunning scale, of the most innocent, passing them through the fire of abortion so that women can be whores men can be dogs and fornicate "without consequences". But of course there are consequences! The wages of sin is death, and when nations commit massive sins, God always condemns them to death. America, as a political nation, is evil and it always has been evil - look at the way it was founded and grew and look at what it has done and still does. God sees, and God will judge America just like he judged Assyria, Babylon, Rome, Greece and all of the Canaanites. This NATION cannot escape the wrath it has brought on itself unless, like Nineveh, it repents utterly, in ashes and sackcloth, and stops sinning. Will that happen? Never. Not ever. Look how hard it is to even conceive of organizing people politically! The Republicans worship mammon. The Democrats worship orgasm. And between fornication and cash, both hold onto power and control through power and death. Neither party can take over: money rules them (and you cannot serve both God and money: God said so). So, to actually build a party that could SAVE the country, you'd have to have a party that was not based on the power of money OR on the power of the military and the state, and that would have to oppose BOTH. AND that party would have to seek to firmly impose God's moral laws, all four of the key ones, by outlawing abortion and ending the current wars, at a minimum. Some people want that, I suppose. I do. There are a few. Do we constitute a party? No. CAN we? Only a small one. This nation doesn't have our values, so we CAN'T control it, and we CAN'T get the numbers to control it. Rather, we need to seek to be Lot in Sodom, or the faithful remnant in Israel. The NATION is evil and God is destroying it. WE have to OURSELVES not be evil, and not play along with the evil, to support one another. Remember that when God destroyed the Kingdom of Israel, he saved a faithful remnant and sent it into Judah. When God destroyed Judah, he preserved a remnant and sent it to exile in Babylon. When God sent Jesus to bring the good news about life after death, the bulk of the Jews rejected it, but a remnant, perhaps 10%, accepted it and spread Christ's good news to the world. Now, we're not living in ancient Israel. We're living in a post-Christian country, a country in which Christianity itself is on the downturn, and in which evil rules supreme. Like in Elijah's time, we have to preserve the faithful remnant. We're simply not going to capture control of this nation - not now, not ever. And frankly, we shouldn't want it. The nation's history is sodden in blood. Without massive evils it would not even exist as it does. The hedonistic, money-and-sex worshipping population is dying out and being replaced by immigrant Christian peasants. The politics far exceeds us. But if we, the remnant, band together and remember what is important: preserving our lives, keeping the faith, educating our children in it, then we will exist as the Jews did for many years, a culture within the culture, and one that takes care of its own and expands. As long as abortion is the law of the land, we know that the land is evil and doomed and damned, so why struggle to try to get "political control" of a damned and doomed ship? Only when our numbers are sufficient to stop abortion do we have the requisites to form a political party that can DO anything. So instead we should be focused on the practicalities of living: family, education, food, shelter, caring for each other. That we can do without a political party, and that is stronger than any politics. Also, God favors it.
Thanks for the post. Interesting reading / perspective.
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Massie issued these reasons to support a new candidate for Speaker of the House: For years I watched Washington from afar and suspected that something was broken. Why is it that so many people approve of their congressman, yet they consistently disapprove of Congress? During my first two years as a congressman I discovered a significant source of the dysfunction. I watched the House Leadership: • Schedule a fiscal crisis in a lame duck session on the last legislative day before Christmas to get maximum leverage over rank and file members, • Mislead members into thinking that a vote on an unpopular bill was postponed, only to then conduct a rushed voice vote on the $10 billion unfunded spending measure with fewer than a dozen members present, • Give members less than 72 hours to read bills over 1,000 pages long, and • Remove members from committees simply because they voted for the principles upon which they campaigned. With a process this broken, is it any wonder that Washington no longer works for the people? My constituents expect better and America deserves better. On January 6th, 2015, I will vote for a new Speaker who will consistently articulate a constitutional vision for America and facilitate an inclusive and orderly legislative process that allows Congress to truly reflect the will of the people. This "useful idiot" has voted 3rd party in two presidential elections. It simply can't be done. Since then, the PTB have made it even more impossible for a third party to win. Thirds can't overcome the barriers that the 2 party cartel have put in place and they don't have the money to compete. They run candidates that no one knows anything about outside of the obvious political junkies like us. I stand with Breitbart. He said that first we take out the Democrats, then go after the Rinos. The TEA/Breitbart contingent is the only movement that has made any progress on political levels. In 5 short years, we have managed to change the rhetoric and made impressive victories in elections. It is a long, hard haul. The Rinos are so entrenched that they are difficult to unseat. We must unite early on in the primaries and get behind the most conservative candidate that stands a chance of winning. It is the only way we will make progress. We need to funnel cash and support/volunteerism behind one candidate and stop dividing the vote or the RINO will slip thru the cracks to become the nominee. See Virginia 2012. That is the epitome of a divided vote failure. Will we get perfect candidates? No. But we can replace them in the next elections until we actually have what we want in office.
"...divine visitations and visions..." I'm interested in hearing more about this.... "...I realize clearly that it's not a pro-life party, that it commits to wars to pump up defense contractors (more crony capitalism) but it doesn't win and doesn't take care of veterans, and that it's incompetent at war and economics to boot. Republican politicians are vile people. Republican voters are either dupes, or they're true believers in vile things. A pox on them. Democrats are full-throated enthusiastic babykillers, so they're just vile. So, it sounds like you're pretty much of a one issue person? That leaves me with nobody to vote for. So what are you going to do?
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
Jesus didn't deal with political issues. Barabbas did. In fact,Barabbas was an insurrectionist, seeking change and progress through political means ... resorting to violence if required. Judas also sought change through political power, a king hopefully, as did many at the time. Jesus disappointed them all. In the end, the crowd chose Barabass. Don't go with the crowd. It's rarely the right choice.
. I'm going to not worry about it and get on with living my life. If the Republicans or a third party that is pro-life presents a candidate that it acceptable, I'll vote for him. Otherwise, I won't vote.
I understand. Thanks
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
It was always a foregone conclusion. Those who opposed him will now be punished. The crony capitalist agenda will march forward relentlessly. It has for 72 consecutive election cycles. Why anybody would think that things would be "different this time" is beyond me. It's like expecting Democrats to become pro-life, or Nazis to start liking Jews, or Blacks to get on board with the KKK. After 72 consecutive election cycles of demonstration, anybody who still clings to the hope of Republican reform is not naïve. He's stubborn and blind. Lucy ALWAYS moves the football, Charlie Brown. Every. Single. Time. Boehner was certain to be re-elected, and now he has been. Of course. He "caves" to Obama because, actually, the Republican Party wants Obamacare and wants Amnesty. And always has. All of the bloody shirt waving is boob bait for Bubbas, and the Bubba boobs buy it every time.
#2. To: Nexus6 (#1)
It is going to be a tough fight, hopefully a winnable one, to wrest control from them.
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
It is going to be Poland versus the Third Reich.
#4. To: Jameson (#3)
It is going to be Poland versus the Third Reich.
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
Godwin's Law
#6. To: Nexus6, out damned spot (#1)
" The establishment has a stronger hold on the party than I originally thought. It is going to be a tough fight, hopefully a winnable one, to wrest control from them. "
#7. To: Stoner (#6)
Sadly, I do not see a political solution to our nations ills!
#8. To: Stoner (#6)
I do not know what will be more difficult, taking over the Republican Party, or starting a viable 2nd party.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
"...It is 2015, 147 years, 74 consecutive election cycles, since US Grant was elected President and the Republican Party solidified as the party of crony capitalism. It has never changed..."
#10. To: Jameson (#9)
If you are correct, what does that make republican voters?
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
" The Republican Party CANNOT BE TAKEN OVER. "
#12. To: Stoner (#11)
I have long believed that to be true, and trying to do so is a fantasy some indulge in. I also am of the opinion that starting a viable 3rd party is equally a fantasy.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
#14. To: out damned spot (#0)
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U.S. Representative Thomas Massie Announces He Will Not Vote to Re-elect Speaker Boehner
Jim Bridenstine is backing Thomas Massie's play.
http://bridenstine.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/congressman-jim-bridenstine-i-will-not-vote-for-john-boehner
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: Jameson (#9)
(Edited)
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
"...throughout all the time after 2001, when I had some divine visitations and visions..."
#17. To: Jameson (#16)
Nobody calls me Mad Dog.
#18. To: Jameson (#16)
So what are you going to do?
#19. To: Vicomte13 (#18)
If the Republicans or a third party that is pro-life presents a candidate that it acceptable, I'll vote for him. Otherwise, I won't vote.
#20. To: Vicomte13 (#2)
(Edited)
Boehner will remain Speaker.
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