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Title: Dear Race Baiters: Eric Garner’s Arrest Was Overseen By Black Sergeant Kizzy Adoni
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://downtrend.com/vsaxena/eric-g ... +downtrend+%28Downtrend.com%29
Published: Dec 5, 2014
Author: By V. Saxena
Post Date: 2014-12-05 20:26:50 by out damned spot
Keywords: Race Baiters, Garner, Arrest
Views: 14584
Comments: 28

Though a part of me genuinely wants to sympathize with the Eric Garner protesters, I cannot, for they keep trying to turn his death into a race issue. This greatly annoys me, especially given that according to information obtained by the Gateway Pundit, the officer who supervised Eric Garner’s arrest was a black sergeant by the name of Kizzy Adoni.

New York Daily News contributor Denis Hamill confirms this revelation:

Having that black sergeant in charge of that crime scene takes race out of the equation. As awful as Pantaleo’s actions appear on that video, at no time does that black sergeant order Pantaleo to stop choking Garner.

FYI, Pantaleo refers to NYPD officer Daniel Pantaleo, who was the one recorded putting Eric Garner in a choke-hold.

Anyway. Here’s some very sincere advice to Eric Garner supporters. If you care even an iota about the truth, then stop trying to turn these cases into race issues. By playing the race card, you only embarrass yourselves. You also annoy those of us who want to support you but remain too committed to the truth to prop up a blatant lie.

Speaking of which, you should also stop tying Eric Garner’s unfortunate demise to the death of proud strong-arm robber and thug Mike Brown.

Let me tell you something, folks. You got a chance right now to make a legitimate argument about bad laws and maybe even make a legitimate point about police take-down tactics. But if you choose to keep embracing the lies fed to you by scum like Reverend Al Sharpton, you will only push people away and inspire them to just tune you out:

*changes the channel*

Sorry for sounding so rude, but lies based on racial politics exasperate me! (1 image)

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out damned spot  posted on  2014-12-05   20:30:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: out damned spot (#0)

Though a part of me genuinely wants to sympathize with the Eric Garner protesters, I cannot, for they keep trying to turn his death into a race issue.

Race could have played a part but there is no evidence to sustain such charge. For this reason, a federal civil rights prosecution seems unlikely as that would need proof that his civil rights were violated due to race.

There should be a megabuck civil case coming down the road though.

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-05   23:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#0)

Oldie but goodie.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-12-06   11:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: out damned spot (#1) (Edited)

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/new_yorkers_express_remorse_and_outrage_at_funeral_of_chokehold.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

Not a chokehold: Truth of the Garner arrest

It wasn’t a chokehold.

That’s just the biggest single distortion in all the talk about the Eric Garner case, in which the public has been misinformed and misled from the start.

The Rev. Al Sharpton has never had to put himself in harm’s way to protect our streets against crime, as our police officers do every day. He’s in no way qualified to stand on his soapbox and dictate procedures.

I spent decades in law enforcement. During my time with the NYPD, I was responsible for over 1,400 felony arrests — any of which could’ve required the use of deadly physical force.

Volunteering to be a decoy cop in the 1970s, I was the victim of more than 500 muggings, about 30 of which injured me seriously enough that I was hospitalized. I wound up in countless physical situations and was always able to get the perp into cuffs.

Now, as owner of a security company here in the city, I consult for police departments across the country.

I’ve served as co-chairman of the National Crime Commission and chairman of the state Security Guard Advisory Council. I have extensive experience when it comes to police procedure, safety and security.

So I speak with some authority on the events surrounding Garner’s attempted arrest and death.

It’s tragic that a life was lost, but I’m outraged at how this incident is being used to hobble the NYPD.

The officers who approached Garner were responding to community complaints about his ongoing activities. When he grew uncooperative and resisted arrest, they followed protocol on taking him into custody.

Officers are required to be as quick as possible in getting a perpetrator into custody so that he has no chance to injure the officer, innocent bystanders or himself.

Garner was 6-foot-3 and 350 pounds. Using a headlock to bring down a man of that size was appropriate.

Headlocks are used in thousands of arrests each year, especially of individuals not cooperating with the police. I used the maneuver in dozens of arrests.

And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.

Watch the video: It’s obvious that the arresting officer put his arm around Garner’s neck to bring him to the ground — but once Garner was on the ground, he was still conscious and able to say he couldn’t breathe.

That’s when the officers called for medical back-up. Tragically, the EMS personnel failed to administer oxygen or to ascertain that Garner was asthmatic and use an inhaler to assist with his breathing.

A top medical examiner (who can’t publicly fault the city ME) tells me it was very irresponsible for the Medical Examiner’s Office to issue the press release stating that Garner’s death was caused by a chokehold (with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors) and ruling his death a homicide.

Two big points: 1) The final autopsy report hasn’t been released. We don’t have the full story, just headlines. 2) “Homicide” only means that one person has caused the death of another.

The term has no bearing on intent or recklessness. The ME’s press release only poured oil on an already fiery situation.

Again, it’s unfortunate that a life was lost — but to blame Garner’s death on the officers doing their job is ridiculous.

Whatever crime you’re accused of, whether selling untaxed cigarettes or murder, you must comply with an officer making a lawful arrest. (Anyone who believes he’s been unlawfully arrested can appeal to the well-oiled machine of the Civilian Complaint Review Board.)

It’s not your right to disregard an officer’s order.

Also note that the man credited with recording the Garner video was himself later arrested for gun possession, and had 26 priors.

This doesn’t discredit the video, but it does tell us that the neighborhood where the tragedy unfolded is dangerous. And the point of cracking down on “small” crimes like selling loosies is to keep the neighborhood from going further downhill.

Tell officers not to enforce “minor” laws, and the surrounding community will grow more dangerous. Yet that is exactly what the Rev. Sharpton is demanding — an end to “broken windows” policing.

I speak to patrol officers daily; they increasingly don’t want to get involved.

If you have to second-guess your actions in taking down an assailant, that second guess allows just enough time for the assailant to possibly get a gun out — and pose a deadly threat to you and to nearby civilians. We can’t ask our officers to walk on eggshells while protecting this city.

Yes, the NYPD can make some changes — do more training in the use of force and different techniques for effecting arrests, and in how to be more courteous when stopping, questioning or (when necessary, and it sometimes is) frisking a civilian.

But this is already the most professional urban police force in America. The mayor needs to start supporting his commissioner and his officers. They’ve earned it.

Nor was this tragic accident a racial incident. Police officers have no color.

They’re not black, white, Hispanic or whatever: They’re a cohesive group of men and women who put their life on the line every day for the protection of the law-abiding citizens of this great city.

Commissioner Bill Bratton is responsible for launching the drastic improvement in the safety of this city in the 1990s, safety we’ve come to take for granted today.

Listen to him, Mr. Mayor — and don’t ever again force him to take a public chastising from Al Sharpton on how to go about keeping this city safe.

If you instead bend to the pressure to further hobble the NYPD, you’ll soon have problems much worse than having Sharpton as your enemy.

Bo Dietl, a retired NYPD detective, is CEO of Beau Dietl & Associates.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-06   12:41:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: out damned spot, ALL (#0)

So what we're seeing here are yet more convenient media lies by omission:

REVELATION #1: Not only was the police sergeant in charge of fat-boy's take down BLACK, but also an Affirmative Action mandated WOMAN.

REVELATION #2: What has also conveniently gone largely un-noted by the sh*t-stirring major news media is who is at fault for the over-officiousness in the first place: Commie Mayor Bill DeBlasio.

It was De Blasio's own own order to the NYPD to crack down on petty crap like those individuals who sell cigarettes. The reason: DeBlasio wanted to squeeze any and all tax revenue...INSTEAD OF concentrating on violent crime. And then Commie Mayor De Blasio has the chutzpah to criticize NYPD while claiming his half-black could be a victim of "racist" cops.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-06   12:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Liberator (#5)

The reason: DeBlasio wanted to squeeze any and all tax revenue...INSTEAD OF concentrating on violent crime.

And you wonder why the plantation dwellers still vote for idiots like him, he's the cause of a lot of their misery. (Thinking with their little heads I guess instead of the head that supposedly has brain matter in it).

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-12-06   13:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: out damned spot (#0)

Sorry for sounding so rude, but lies based on racial politics exasperate me!

Telling the truth isn't rude. Shout it from the roof-tops before it's too late!

The end always justifies the means for the Media and Democrat Party. Their 24/7/365 meme since January 20, 2009 has been "RACISM!!", "HOMOPHOBIA!!," "ISLAMOPHOBIA,!!," XENOPHOBIA!!," and "BIGOTRY!!"

We are witnessing a blatantly obvious organized coup and declaration of war by the political Left and its propaganda organ, the MSM. Once Whitey and conservatives are pushed to its limit and cornered they will inevitably defend themselves and launch reprisals. The globalist puppet-Emperor will gleefully respond by declaring Martial Law, suspending the USCON, locking down the internet and commerce, and crushing dissent. #"HOPE AND CHANGE"

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-06   13:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu chan, out damned spot (#2)

Race could have played a part but there is no evidence to sustain such charge. For this reason, a federal civil rights prosecution seems unlikely as that would need proof that his civil rights were violated due to race.

Agreed.

There is absolutely NO evidence to support "racism " or even "profiling" in this case. But what this case has accomplished is giving Herr Holder an excuse to instructing his Gestapo to scour current and past prosecutions of black crime and initiating prosecution of white arresting LEOs.

Gunning for America's LE is a huge risk for the supposed outgoing DoJ fuhrer for more than one reason. Bad enough that America's own military and Pentagram is on 0bola's Hit List.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-06   13:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CZ82 (#6) (Edited)

And you wonder why the plantation dwellers still vote for idiots like him, he's the cause of a lot of their misery.

I know this is unfathomable, but I think even the Plantation is beginning to realize they've been bamboozled -- 0bolaPhones notwithstanding. The Dems and 0bola have further buried the Brutha into the bowels of da hood.

What's NOT reported are the white libs and Leftist Union-types who've piggy-backed the initial black rage and co-opted the protests (along with the Muzzies.)

(Thinking with their little heads I guess instead of the head that supposedly has brain matter in it).

Dat be a problem in da communitah ever since LBJ and the Dems excused black men from upholding their paternal/moral responsibility. Their little voice in their little heads keep on telling them that Job One is impregnating their hoes and B's. Job #2 is blaming Whitey for their woes.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-06   14:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator, out damned spot (#4)

Using a headlock to bring down a man of that size was appropriate.

Headlocks are used in thousands of arrests each year, especially of individuals not cooperating with the police. I used the maneuver in dozens of arrests.

And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.

Watch the video: It’s obvious that the arresting officer put his arm around Garner’s neck to bring him to the ground — but once Garner was on the ground, he was still conscious and able to say he couldn’t breathe.

I was a chokehold, not a headlock. Compare it to a chokehold in the UFC. To be a chokehold, it must be around the neck, not the head. It was. If applied properly and forcefully enough it will either cut off, or restrict either breathing or the blood supply to the brain.

It was an MMA style chokehold. A wrestling headlock it wasn't.

That’s when the officers called for medical back-up. Tragically, the EMS personnel failed to administer oxygen or to ascertain that Garner was asthmatic and use an inhaler to assist with his breathing.

A top medical examiner (who can’t publicly fault the city ME) tells me it was very irresponsible for the Medical Examiner’s Office to issue the press release stating that Garner’s death was caused by a chokehold (with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors) and ruling his death a homicide.

Tragically, the officers failed to notice that they had caused mortal injury.

... pursuant to the final diagnosis of the Office of Chief Medical Examiner of the City of New York included findings that the death was caused by the compression of the neck, compression of chest and the prone positioning of the decedent during physical restraint by police, petechial hemorrhages of palpebral conjunctivae and upper gingiva, hemorrhage of bulber conjunctivae and strap muscle hemorrhages of the neck due to the chokehold and pressure placed about his body causing him to be unable to breathe.

Notice of Claim, Estate of Eric Garner v City of New York et al, 6 Oct 2014, page 2.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/2014/12/04/dr-michael-baden-offers-insight-death-eric-garner

December 03, 2014

Dr. Michael Baden offers insight into death of Eric Garner

Guests: Dr. Michael Baden, Geraldo Rivera, Bo Dietl

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," December 3, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome back to "Hannity." This is a Fox News Alert. Earlier today, inside New York City's Grand Central Station, demonstrators staged a so-called "die-in" to protest the grand jury's decision not to indict the NYPD officer who placed Eric Garner in a headlock while attempting to arrest him.

[...]

BADEN: But I think the autopsy itself -- the medical examiner did a great job on this. There's 27 pages in the report. And the female (ph), she found that there were 10 hemorrhages on the inside of the neck, in the muscles of the neck, petechial hemorrhages in the eye, hemorrhage in the tongue. And those are all evidence of neck compression. You're right, chokehold has many different meanings in all. What we're concerned at autopsy is was there pressure on the neck.

HANNITY: Right.

BADEN: There was pressure on the neck and pressure on the chest.

HANNITY: I don't doubt it. This is a big guy.

BADEN: Pressure on the chest that interferes with the lungs expanding and --

HANNITY: But they also --

(CROSSTALK)

BADEN: And hands on the face and nose. So he couldn't breathe, and he was telling the truth.

HANNITY: But he was still talking does. That impact his ability to talk, if he can't breathe?

BADEN: Yes, no, you can say, I can't breathe.

HANNITY: You can.

BADEN: Absolutely.

HANNITY: But they also mention the fact that he was asthmatic, had heart disease and obesity.

BADEN: Right.

HANNITY: All right, so -- and it's a high-stress situation here.

BADEN: Right.

HANNITY: Here's -- here's where I want to ask you this question. I grant you, any arrest that's caught on videotape -- which, again, for a cigarette is insanity to me -- is going to look violent. But when we get to the legality here, if there is a technical difference and a very specific one about going for the carotid artery, going for the trache, and that being a chokehold illegal, versus a headlock legal, that's why -- I will argue that when we get the evidence in, that is where the grand jury made their distinction.

DIETL: We used to have night sticks. Remember the old nightsticks? We used to come up behind a guy and put it on and say -- that's a choke.

HANNITY: That's a choke.

DIETL: (INAUDIBLE) couple minutes, you get them down. My whole thing here is that cop never -- and that grand jury heard it -- he never left that day with any intentions of this man dying.

RIVERA: But no one is saying that.

DIETL: It's a terrible accident!

RIVERA: That's a fake argument.

http://cityofyonkerspolice.com/penal.law/article125.htm#p125.10

S 125.10 Criminally negligent homicide.

A person is guilty of criminally negligent homicide when, with criminal negligence, he causes the death of another person.

Criminally negligent homicide is a class E felony.

http://cityofyonkerspolice.com/penal.law/article15.htm#p15054

4. "Criminal negligence." A person acts with criminal negligence with respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-06   19:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan (#10)

I supposed "chokehold" and "headlock" remains a matter of interpretation -- the Doc's examination notwithstanding. What of it? Dietl's been there, done that.

LE have a hostile 350 lb giant who was reported to be a constant nuisance in the neighborhood, refusing to be compliant and openly challenging LE authority in public. In the real world of law and order, can't have that, Counselor. This is simple Common Sense 101 -- You do what you're told by SIX officers. You don't ignore them.

That said, yes, this 350 lbs fat pile of non-compliant crap DID have his neck compressed while in a headlock -- which can't be accomplished without also affecting the neck. No surprise there. It took what -- a half dozen officers to subdue this guy? Was he supposed to be clinically subdued according to an open manual? AND, exactly how was the PERP going to be subdued if THE PERP refused to comply?

IF Fatso was truly "choked out," he'd have passed out before muttering that he couldn't breathe. Perps, martial artists and wrestlers often get choke out then awaken. But because this stubborn, unhealthy, obese, parasitic rogue troublemaking POS nuisance was asthmatic...and somehow thought HE was going to dictate the law TO Law Enforcement, he paid the price for his idiocy, as Bo Dietl attests to.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-07   0:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator (#9)

Job #2 is blaming Whitey for their woes.

And the funny part is they scream 'We have no money in our school districts".

My question is you still have enough money to pay the teachers why aren't you bitching about the curriculum/agenda the kids are being taught? You tell the teachers what curriculum you want taught and they have 2 options, teach it or quit!

If the kids learn what they need to learn the neighborhood will eventually turn itself around and get better. It will take awhile for this to happen but it will, guess if it isn't instantaneous and they have to work to accomplish it they don't want it!!!!!!!!!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

CZ82  posted on  2014-12-07   9:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#11)

I supposed "chokehold" and "headlock" remains a matter of interpretation -- the Doc's examination notwithstanding. What of it?

The petechial hemorrhages are difficult to dismiss. They are caused by a chokehold, not a headlock. Some have described it as a wrestling move, not an MMA move. As a wrestling move it would get one penalized or disqualified. I refer to real wresting, not the TV grunt and groan variety.

Dietl's been there, done that.

Dietl is famous for being in movies and on TV.

That said, yes, this 350 lbs fat pile of non-compliant crap DID have his neck compressed while in a headlock

A neck cannot be compressed in a headlock. I commend your tenacity in trying to inject the inappropriate term headlock back into the discussion.

The neck was compressed, proven by the numerous hemorrhages found in the autopsy of Garner.

It took what -- a half dozen officers to subdue this guy?

No, it seems it took that many to kill him.

IF Fatso was truly "choked out," he'd have passed out before muttering that he couldn't breathe.

It is not claimed that he was "choked out," out connoting that he was out as in unconscious. The blood and air supply were interfered with by compression of the neck and chest, reducing the the supply of both and caused his death. The notion that he'd have passed out before muttering he could not breathe is contradicted by the medical professional who reviewed the autopsy.

But because this stubborn, unhealthy, obese, parasitic rogue troublemaking POS nuisance was asthmatic...and somehow thought HE was going to dictate the law TO Law Enforcement, he paid the price for his idiocy, as Bo Dietl attests to.

Being stubborn, unhealthy, obese, parasitic, rogue, troublemaking, nuisance, and/or asthmatic is not justification for LE homicide. It is an impressive list of things that do not justify homicide. The death penalty has not yet been adopted for obesity or poor health, or nuisance making, etc.

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-07   15:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator (#5)

It was De Blasio's own own order to the NYPD to crack down on petty crap like those individuals who sell cigarettes. The reason: DeBlasio wanted to squeeze any and all tax revenue...

after i posted the other response i see you are seeing what i see in this case re: the whole nonsensical ratcheting up of what should have been a citation to a situation ending up with a death and the resultant al sharpton / eric holder racial BS angle.

------always bet on black------

e_type_jag  posted on  2014-12-07   20:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#11)

You do what you're told by SIX officers. You don't ignore them.

Six.....to address a ticket/summons.

Command presence of just one might have enabled the handing of the ticket to this clown.

He'd been harassed by deblabios tax maids before. And maybe he was the sort of nuisance dickhead you see on the streets hawking stuff. And maybe he mouthed off to the initial contact. So what? Any street cop that can't handle being cursed should be manning the exit at walmart.

Give him his ticket and if he skips or FTA's then you make contact and arrest for that. Common sense protocol. I've dealt with borderline drunk and sometimes verbal disorderlies---no way possible to arrest them all here in SoCal----just no way---.....tough talk sometimes directed at me....i chuckle....tell em to f-off and follow the cite or face what's coming if they don't. Cooler heads probably as soon as I've turned the corner and nobody ends up on the ground over some pissy small incident that became out of control.

Bets are he "dissed" the initial who then asked for fill support so he/she could teach this boy a lesson.

Meanwhile---thanks to deblabios maids holder et al have yet another fake race thing to bleat about.

shoulda been a ticket and none of us would be hearing of it now.

------always bet on black------

e_type_jag  posted on  2014-12-07   20:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator (#4)

Whatever crime you’re accused of, whether selling untaxed cigarettes or murder, you must comply with an officer making a lawful arrest.

BBBBWWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Cheyahh....good to link up the 2 that way.

And "If you have to second-guess your actions in taking down an assailant, that second guess allows just enough time for the assailant to possibly get a gun out"

Assailant eh?...over a tax collection issue. Any cop that acts "spur of the moment" in such a non critical / non felony / situation has lost the principle of command presence and how best to tactically control the relatively minor situation before it becomes a major situation.

Bo Beetle or whatever sounds like an assclown.

maybe posted here under grand island or something.

further enforcing that is his flippant comment completely diffusing all of his prior blathering about what a great job beblabios tax collectors are doing by the following:

"Yes, the NYPD can make some changes — do more training in the use of force and different techniques for effecting arrests"

Duhhhh. possibly adding to that how to keep the peace without "enforcing" ---emphasis -- the law.

------always bet on black------

e_type_jag  posted on  2014-12-07   20:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: e_type_jag, Liberator, nolu chan (#15)

Give him his ticket and if he skips or FTA's then you make contact and arrest for that.

shoulda been a ticket and none of us would be hearing of it now.

Small Businessman Murdered by Tax Enforcers (We're All Eric Garner Now)

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2014-12-08   9:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deckard, e_type_jag, Liberator (#17)

New York City Administrative Code (NEW)

    § 17-704 Out-of-package sales prohibited.

      a. All cigarettes and tobacco products sold or offered for sale by a retail dealer shall be sold or offered for sale in the package, box, carton or other container provided by the manufacturer, importer or packager which bears a health warning required by federal statute.

      b. No retail dealer shall sell or offer for sale a cigar unless the cigar is sold in a package of at least four cigars, provided that this subdivision shall not apply to the sale or distribution of an individual cigar whose listed price, as defined in section 17-176.1 of this code, is greater than three dollars.

      c. No retail dealer shall sell or offer for sale a little cigar unless the little cigar is sold in a package of at least twenty little cigars.

    [emphasis added]

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-08   13:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard, e_type_jag, Liberator (#17)

New York City Administrative Code (NEW)

    § 17-710 Violations and penalties.

    a. Civil penalties and license revocation for a person found to be in violation of the provisions of this subchapter shall be as follows:

      (1) Any person found to be in violation of section 17-703 shall be liable for a civil penalty of not more than five thousand dollars for the first violation, and not more than five thousand dollars for each additional violation found on that day; and not more than ten thousand dollars for the second violation and each subsequent violation by that person.

      (2) Any person found to be in violation of section 17-703.1 shall be liable for a civil penalty of not more than five hundred dollars in any single day.

      (3) In addition to any penalty that may be imposed pursuant to subdivision b of section 11-1317 of the code, any person found to be in violation of section 17-703.2 of the code shall be liable for a civil penalty of not more than two thousand dollars for the first violation, and not more than two thousand dollars for each additional violation found on that day, and not more than five thousand dollars for the second violation and each subsequent violation at the same place of business within a three-year period.

      (4) Any person found to be in violation of section 17-704, 17-705 or subdivision a or b of section 17-706 shall be liable for a civil penalty of not more than one thousand dollars for the first violation, and not more than one thousand dollars for each additional violation found on that day; and not more than two thousand dollars for the second violation and each subsequent violation at the same place of business within a three-year period. Any person found to be in violation of subdivision c of section 17-706 shall be liable for a civil penalty of not more than five hundred dollars in any single day.

      (5) In addition, for a second violation of any of sections 17-703, 17-703.2, 17-704, 17-705 or subdivision a or b of section 17-706 occurring on a different day and any subsequent violations occurring on different days at the same place of business within a three-year period, any person who engages in business as a retail dealer shall be subject to the mandatory revocation of his or her cigarette license for such place of business. Any violation of section 17-703, 17-703.2, 17-704, 17-705 or subdivision a or b of section 17-706 by any license holder at a place of business shall be included in determining the number of violations by such license holder and by any subsequent license holder at the same place of business unless the subsequent license holder provides the commissioner of the department that has commenced the proceeding to recover a civil penalty pursuant to subdivision b of this section with adequate documentation demonstrating that the subsequent license holder acquired the premises or business through an arm's length transaction as defined in subdivision e of this section and that the sale or lease was not conducted, in whole or in part, for the purpose of permitting the original licensee to avoid the effect of violations on the premises. A cigarette license shall be revoked at the same hearing at which a retail dealer is found liable for a second violation or subsequent violations at the same place of business within a three-year period.

      (6) Any person who violates section 17-708 shall be liable for a civil penalty of not more than fifty dollars for each violation.

    b. A proceeding to recover any civil penalty authorized pursuant to the provisions of subdivision a of this section for a violation of section 17-703, 17-703.1, 17-703.2, 17-704, 17-705 or 17-706 of this subchapter shall be commenced by the service of a notice of violation which shall be returnable to the health tribunal at the office of administrative trials and hearings where the department of health and mental hygiene issues such notice, the adjudication division of the department of consumer affairs where that department or a designated employee of any authorizing agency issues such notice, or an adjudication division of the department of finance or the administrative tribunal selected by the commissioner of finance where the department of finance issues such notice. Such notice shall contain a statement that any hearing for a second violation or subsequent violation of any of such sections at the same place of business within a three-year period shall also constitute a hearing for the revocation of a retail dealer's cigarette license where the retail dealer is found to be in violation of any such sections. The department of health and mental hygiene, the department of consumer affairs and the department of finance shall notify each other within thirty days of a final determination that a retail dealer has been found to be in violation of section 17-703, 17-703.1, 17-703.2, 17-704, 17-705 or 17-706 of this subchapter. A proceeding to recover any civil penalty authorized pursuant to the provisions of subdivision a of this section for a violation of section 17-708 shall be returnable to the health tribunal at the office of administrative trials and hearings. Such tribunal shall have the power to impose the civil penalties prescribed by subdivision a of this section. The adjudication division of the department of consumer affairs, the health tribunal at the office of administrative trials and hearings and an adjudication division of the department of finance or the administrative tribunal selected by the commissioner of finance shall have the power to impose the civil penalties prescribed by subdivision a of this section for a violation of section 17-703, 17-703.1, 17-703.2, 17-704, 17-705 or 17-706 of this subchapter.

    c. The penalties provided by subdivision a of this section shall be in addition to any other penalty imposed by any other provision of law or rule promulgated thereunder.

    d. Whenever any person has engaged in any acts or practices which constitute a violation of any provision of this subchapter or of any rule promulgated thereunder, the city may make application to a court of competent jurisdiction for an order enjoining such acts or practices and for an order granting a temporary or permanent injunction, restraining order or other order enjoining such acts or practices.

    e. For purposes of this section, "arm's length transaction" means a sale of a fee or all undivided interests in real property, or lease of any part thereof, or a sale of a business, in good faith and for valuable consideration, that reflects the fair market value of such real property or lease, or business, in the open market, between two informed and willing parties, where neither is under any compulsion to participate in the transaction, unaffected by any unusual conditions indicating a reasonable possibility that the sale or lease was made for the purpose of permitting the original licensee to avoid the effect of violations on the premises. The following sales or leases shall be presumed not to be arm's length transactions unless adequate documentation is provided demonstrating that the sale or lease was not conducted, in whole or in part, for the purpose of permitting the original licensee to avoid the effect of violations on the premises:

      (1) a sale between relatives; or

      (2) a sale between related companies or partners in a business; or

      (3) a sale or lease affected by other facts or circumstances that would indicate that the sale or lease is entered into for the primary purpose of permitting the original licensee to avoid the effect of violations on the premises, such as a sale or lease entered into while

    there are violations pending against the original licensee that could result in revocation or suspension of the license.

    f. Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision a of this section, the mandatory revocation of a license for a second offense shall be waived if, upon the submission of satisfactory proof, the commissioner determines that the person or persons who committed the violations which are the basis for the mandatory revocation acted against the licensee's will in committing such violations, the licensee utilized extensive precautionary measures to prevent violations of the provisions of sections 17-704, 17-705 and 17-706 of this code, and the licensee has terminated any financial or employment relationship with each person who committed the violations which are the basis of the mandatory revocation of its license or has taken other significant disciplinary action against such persons. The commissioner shall not determine that a licensee utilized extensive precautionary measures to prevent violations of the provisions of sections 17-704, 17-705 and 17-706 of this code unless the licensee submits satisfactory proof demonstrating that the licensee had, prior to the second violation which is the basis for the mandatory revocation of its license, done the following:

      (1) implemented a clear policy requiring all persons working in the place of business to strictly comply with the provisions of sections 17-704, 17-705 and 17-706 of this code and permitting persons working in the place of business to complete a tobacco product sales transaction only after establishing the age of a prospective purchaser of tobacco products through identification that has been verified for authenticity or through photographic identification as required by section 17-706 of this code; and

      (2) trained all persons working in the place of business to comply with any such policy before they are allowed to sell tobacco products to the public; and

      (3) monitored the performance of persons working in the place of business to ensure that they adhere to such policy, or, in accordance with rules promulgated by the commissioner, conducted periodic retraining of persons working in the place of business.

    g. Any retail dealer who fails to pay (1) any civil penalty imposed under chapter thirteen of title eleven of the code for the violation of any provision thereunder, or (2) any civil penalty imposed under this chapter for any violation thereof or under section 17-176.1 or section 17-177 of this title for any violation of such sections, shall be subject to suspension of his or her retail dealer license for the place of business where the violation occurred until such retail dealer pays all such civil penalties. Such retail dealer license shall not be renewed until such retail dealer pays all such civil penalties. A proceeding to suspend a retail dealer license pursuant to this subdivision may be commenced by the department to which payment of the penalty is due, in the same manner as a proceeding pursuant to subdivision b of this section to recover a civil penalty. The adjudication division of the department of consumer affairs, the health tribunal at the office of administrative trials and hearings and an adjudication division of the department of finance or the administrative tribunal selected by the commissioner of finance shall have the power to suspend a retail dealer's license pursuant to this subdivision.

[emphasis added]

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-08   13:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: nolu chan (#19)

a. Civil penalties and license revocation for a person found to be in violation of the provisions of this subchapter shall be as follows:

I didn't see "execution by cop" as one of the penalties for selling individual cigarettes.

"if you're not cop, you're little people"

Deckard  posted on  2014-12-08   13:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard, e_type_jag, Liberator (#17)

Laws of New York State, Consolidated Laws

NY TAX LAW, Article 37, Part 3, § 1814, Cigarette and tobacco products tax

    § 1814. Cigarette and tobacco products tax

      (a) Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat the taxes imposed by article twenty of this chapter or payment thereof on (i) ten thousand cigarettes or more (ii) twenty-two thousand cigars or more, or (iii) four hundred forty pounds of tobacco or more or has previously been convicted two or more times of a violation of paragraph one of this subdivision shall be guilty of a class E felony.

      (b) Any person, other than an agent licensed by the commissioner, who possesses or transports for the purpose of sale any unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages of cigarettes subject to tax imposed by section four hundred seventy-one of this chapter, or who sells or offers for sale unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages of cigarettes in violation of the provisions of article twenty of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. Any person who violates the provisions of this subdivision after having previously been convicted of a violation of this subdivision within the preceding five years shall be guilty of a class E felony.

      (c) (1) Any person, other than an agent licensed by the commissioner, who willfully possesses or transports for the purpose of sale ten thousand or more cigarettes subject to the tax imposed by section four hundred seventy-one of this chapter in any unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages or who willfully sells or offers for sale ten thousand or more cigarettes in any unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages in violation of article twenty of this chapter shall be guilty of a class E felony.

        (2) Any person, other than an agent licensed by the commissioner, who willfully possesses or transports for the purpose of sale thirty thousand or more cigarettes subject to the tax imposed by section four hundred seventy-one of this chapter in any unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages or who willfully sells or offers for sale thirty thousand or more cigarettes in any unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages in violation of article twenty of this chapter shall be guilty of a class D felony.

      (d) For the purposes of this section, the possession or transportation within this state by any person, other than an agent, at any one time of five thousand or more cigarettes in unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages shall be presumptive evidence that such cigarettes are possessed or transported for the purpose of sale and are subject to the tax imposed by section four hundred seventy-one of this chapter. With respect to such possession or transportation any provisions of article twenty of this chapter providing for a time period during which a use tax imposed by such article may be paid on unstamped cigarettes or unlawfully or improperly stamped cigarettes or during which such cigarettes may be returned to an agent shall not apply. The possession within this state of more than four hundred cigarettes in unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages by any person other than an agent at any one time shall be presumptive evidence that such cigarettes are subject to tax as provided by article twenty of this chapter.

      (e) Nothing in this section shall apply to common or contract carriers or warehousemen while engaged in lawfully transporting or storing unstamped packages of cigarettes as merchandise, or lawfully transporting or storing tobacco products, nor to any employee of such carrier or warehouseman acting within the scope of his employment, nor to public officers or employees in the performance of their official duties requiring possession or control of unstamped or unlawfully stamped packages of cigarettes or possession or control of tobacco products, nor to temporary incidental possession by employees or agents of persons lawfully entitled to possession, nor to persons whose possession is for the purpose of aiding police officers in performing their duties.

      (f) Any willful act or omission, other than those described in section eighteen hundred one of this article or subdivision (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (g), (h) or (i) of this section, by any person which constitutes a violation of any provision of article twenty of this chapter shall constitute a misdemeanor.

      (g) Any person who falsely or fraudulently makes, alters or counterfeits any stamp prescribed by the tax commission under the provisions of article twenty of this chapter, or causes or procures to be falsely or fraudulently made, altered or counterfeited any such stamp, or knowingly and willfully utters, purchases, passes or tenders as true any such false, altered or counterfeited stamp, or knowingly and willfully possesses any cigarettes in packages bearing any such false, altered or counterfeited stamp, and any person who knowingly and willfully makes, causes to be made, purchases or receives any device for forging or counterfeiting any stamp, prescribed by the tax commission under the provisions of article twenty of this chapter, or who knowingly and willfully possesses any such device, shall be guilty of a class E felony. For the purposes of this subdivision, the words "stamp prescribed by the tax commission" shall include a stamp, impression or imprint made by a metering machine, the design of which has been approved by such commission.

      (h) (1) Any dealer, other than a distributor appointed by the commissioner of taxation and finance under article twenty of this chapter, who shall knowingly transport or have in his custody, possession or under his control more than ten pounds of tobacco or more than five hundred cigars upon which the taxes imposed by article twenty of this chapter have not been assumed or paid by a distributor appointed by the commissioner of taxation and finance under article twenty of this chapter, or other person treated as a distributor pursuant to section four hundred seventy-one-d of this chapter, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than five thousand dollars or by a term of imprisonment not to exceed thirty days.

        (2) Any person, other than a dealer or a distributor appointed by the commissioner under article twenty of this chapter, who shall knowingly transport or have in his custody, possession or under his control more than fifteen pounds of tobacco or more than seven hundred fifty cigars upon which the taxes imposed by article twenty of this chapter have not been assumed or paid by a distributor appointed by the commissioner under article twenty of this chapter, or other person treated as a distributor pursuant to section four hundred seventy-one-d of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not more than five thousand dollars or by a term of imprisonment not to exceed thirty days.

        (3) Any person, other than a distributor appointed by the commissioner under article twenty of this chapter, who shall knowingly transport or have in his custody, possession or under his control twenty-five hundred or more cigars or fifty or more pounds of tobacco upon which the taxes imposed by article twenty of this chapter have not been assumed or paid by a distributor appointed by the commissioner under article twenty of this chapter, or other person treated as a distributor pursuant to section four hundred seventy-one-d of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. Provided further, that any person who has twice been convicted under this subdivision shall be guilty of a class E felony for any subsequent violation of this section, regardless of the amount of tobacco products involved in such violation.

        (4) For purposes of this subdivision, such person shall knowingly transport or have in his custody, possession or under his control tobacco or cigars on which such taxes have not been assumed or paid by a distributor appointed by the commissioner where such person has knowledge of the requirement of the tax on tobacco products and, where to his knowledge, such taxes have not been assumed or paid on such tobacco products by a distributor appointed by the commissioner of taxation and finance.

      (i) Any person who falsely or fraudulently makes, alters or counterfeits a registration certificate or sticker required under the provisions of section four hundred eighty-a of this chapter, or causes or procures to be falsely or fraudulently made, altered or counterfeited any such registration certificate or sticker, or knowingly and willfully utters, purchases, passes or tenders as true any such false, altered or counterfeited registration certificate or sticker, and any person who knowingly and willfully makes, causes to be made, purchases or receives any device for forging or counterfeiting any registration certificate or sticker required under the provisions of such section, or who knowingly and willfully possesses any such device, shall be guilty of a class B misdemeanor.

    [emphasis added]

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-08   13:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#20)

I didn't see "execution by cop" as one of the penalties for selling individual cigarettes.

Loosies v chokehold

The selling of loosies appears to be a violation of a New York City administrative code [§ 17.704] that carries a civil penalty only [§ 17-710 a(4)].

Using a chokehold appears to be a violation of New York State penal law, in addition to being an NYPD prohibited practice.

http://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN0121.11_121.11.html

New York Penal - Article 121 - § 121.11 Criminal Obstruction of Breathing or Blood Circulation

§ 121.11 Criminal obstruction of breathing or blood circulation.

A person is guilty of criminal obstruction of breathing or blood circulation when, with intent to impede the normal breathing or circulation of the blood of another person, he or she:

a. applies pressure on the throat or neck of such person; or

b. blocks the nose or mouth of such person.

Criminal obstruction of breathing or blood circulation is a class A misdemeanor.

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-08   13:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#21)

It's for the children. It's for the people.

NYC Local Law 97 [28 page PDF]

The New York City Council

City Hall

New York, NY 10007

Legislation Text

File #: Int 1021-2013, Version: A

Int. No. 1021-A

By Council Members Arroyo, Cabrera, Chin, Comrie, Jr., Dromm, Fidler, King, Lander, Lappin, Rodriguez, Levin, Vann, Vacca, Palma, Gennaro, Koslowitz, Van Bramer, Koo, Crowley, Eugene and Recchia, Jr. (by request of the Mayor)

A Local Law to amend the administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to the sale of cigarettes and tobacco products, and the regulation of retail dealers and wholesale dealers of cigarettes, and repealing section 17-707 of the administrative code of the city of New York, relating to requiring public health messages where tobacco advertisements appear.

Be it enacted by the Council as follows:

Section 1. Legislative findings. The Council hereby finds that tobacco use is a leading cause of preventable premature death in the United States and the City of New York, and cigarette trafficking costs New York City and State hundreds of millions of dollars annually in foregone tax revenue. Cigarettes are the only consumer products that, when used exactly as intended, kill up to one-third of regular users. Currently, 981,000 adults smoke in New York City. In 2011, 28,000 New York City public high school students under the age of eighteen experimented with smoking for the first time; of those, more than one-third (35%) currently smoke. In total, approximately 19,000 New York City public high school students under the age of eighteen smoke. Smoking-related illnesses cost New Yorkers billions of dollars annually in health care costs and lost productivity.

Given the substantial human and economic costs associated with tobacco use, New York City has taken numerous steps to reduce tobacco use among adults and to stop youth (persons under the age of eighteen) from starting to use cigarettes and tobacco products. In 2002, New York City employed a comprehensive, multifaceted tobacco control program incorporating the following components: (1) high cigarette excise taxes; (2) educational media campaigns on the risks of tobacco use; (3) a cessation program that helps people to quit; and (4) laws imposing restrictions and regulations on the sale and use of cigarettes and that helps people to quit; and (4) laws imposing restrictions and regulations on the sale and use of cigarettes and tobacco products. The City has succeeded in reducing the prevalence of adult tobacco use from 21.5% in 2002 to 15.5% in 2012, a 28% reduction. Prevalence among youth also declined substantially from 17.6% in 2001 to 8.5% in 2007. Youth smoking rates, however, have plateaued since, and remain at 8.5% as of 2011. Because tobacco use persists among youth and adults, the City must take further action.

Preventing youth and young adults from taking up smoking is critical because, in New York City, 80% of adults who become daily smokers start smoking before reaching the age of twenty-one, and nationwide, 99% of smokers start by age twenty-six. The City employs a strong retail inspection program to prevent illegal sales to youth, conducting more than 9,000 retail inspections annually, only 10% of which result in violations. Nevertheless, more than a quarter of underage New York City public high school students who smoke buy their cigarettes from retail stores.

The Council further finds, based on numerous studies, that high tobacco prices reduce tobacco consumption among both youth, who are especially price-sensitive, and adults. A 10% increase in cigarette prices reduces demand among adult smokers by 3-5% and among youth by 7%. High prices reduce the prevalence of tobacco use, the probability of trying tobacco for the first time, the average number of cigarettes consumed per smoker, initiation of daily smoking, and initiation of daily heavy smoking. In addition, reductions in smoking prevalence indirectly lead to even greater reductions by minimizing peer and parental influences and by helping addicted smokers to succeed in quitting.

[snip]

... Errrh... It's for the general slush fund.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=%0D%0A&bn=S5462&term=&Text=Y

S05462 Text:

STATE OF NEW YORK

5462--B

2013-2014 Regular Sessions

IN SENATE

May 16, 2013 ___________

Introduced by Sens. GRISANTI, KENNEDY, LATIMER, RITCHIE -- read twice and ordered printed, and when printed to be committed to the Committee on Investigations and Government Operations -- committee discharged, bill amended, ordered reprinted as amended and recommitted to said committee -- recommitted to the Committee on Investigations and Government Operations in accordance with Senate Rule 6, sec. 8 -- committee discharged, bill amended, ordered reprinted as amended and recommitted to said committee

AN ACT to amend the tax law and the state finance law, in relation to allocating certain revenue to the tobacco use prevention and control program fund for programs to help smokers quit and to keep children from smoking

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEMBLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

Section 1. Statement of legislative intent. The legislature finds that:

New York state has raised over twelve billion dollars in tobacco revenues over the past seven years, yet only three and one-half percent of these revenues have been spent on the state's Tobacco Use Prevention and Control Program.

In the year 2013, New York state spent only sixteen percent of the amount recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on tobacco control. New York state was once a leader in tobacco control support spending, but now ranks twenty-first in the United States.

From the years 2007-2013, funding for the New York State Tobacco Use Prevention and Control Program was cut by more than half. This inadequate funding level for the program stands in contrast to promises made in 1998 by public officials to invest state dollars earned from the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement in tobacco control programs.

The Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement states that its purpose is to "achieve for the Settling States and their citizens significant funding for the advancement of public health" and "the implementation of important tobacco-related public health measures."

When more adequately funded, the State Tobacco Use Prevention and Control Program achieved successes in the effort to curb tobacco use. Teenage and adult tobacco use rates had fallen faster in New York state than in the United States as a whole.

[snip]

nolu chan  posted on  2014-12-08   15:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#17)

shoulda been a ticket and none of us would be hearing of it now.

Should have been. But Garner thought he was gonna stand and fight The Man. After 31 arrests, he ought to know better.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-10   16:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CZ82 (#12) (Edited)

And the funny part is they scream 'We have no money in our school districts".

My question is you still have enough money to pay the teachers why aren't you bitching about the curriculum/agenda the kids are being taught? You tell the teachers what curriculum you want taught and they have 2 options, teach it or quit!

These districts are FLOODED with money. Trouble is, education isn't Job #1 for these spoiled "teachers." Indoctrination IS. And for some reason, most public school boards act as if they're Politburos.

Btw, Paterson NJ HS had only 19 students qualify to attend college. All that taxpayer "publik edjookatshun"...FOR WHAT??

Only to teach the Marxist curriculum. Problem about the bitching is that conservatives never go postal. They are polite and civil. Should some wayward conservative pipe up, the LE is escorting them out immediately.

When Liberal and Leftists want to change their curriculum, they disrupt townhall, shove a few chairs around, and shout down the school board. CHANGES MADE.

If the kids learn what they need to learn the neighborhood will eventually turn itself around and get better. It will take awhile for this to happen but it will, guess if it isn't instantaneous and they have to work to accomplish it they don't want it!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT. HAPPENING. In a million years.

OPERATION: 'Dumb Down' is a remarkable success. Thanks to Publik Skools agendae, Americans yoof will be highly competitive in the fields of Car Wash Engineers and Burger Flipping Technicians in the 21st Century.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-10   16:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: nolu chan (#13) (Edited)

Dietl is famous for being in movies and on TV.

Yes. BECAUSE of his creds:

I spent decades in law enforcement. During my time with the NYPD, I was responsible for over 1,400 felony arrests — any of which could’ve required the use of deadly physical force.

Volunteering to be a decoy cop in the 1970s, I was the victim of more than 500 muggings, about 30 of which injured me seriously enough that I was hospitalized. I wound up in countless physical situations and was always able to get the perp into cuffs.

Now, as owner of a security company here in the city, I consult for police departments across the country.

I’ve served as co-chairman of the National Crime Commission and chairman of the state Security Guard Advisory Council. I have extensive experience when it comes to police procedure, safety and security.

500 muggings from thugs, yet Dietl didn't die. Never even strangled (enough to die.)

Being stubborn, unhealthy, obese, parasitic, rogue, troublemaking, nuisance, and/or asthmatic is not justification for LE homicide. It is an impressive list of things that do not justify homicide.

"Justify"?? No. "Facilitate"? YES. "Bear personal responsibility FOR"?? You betcha. Or is no one responsible for their own actions in your world?

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-10   16:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: e_type_jag (#14)

It was De Blasio's own own order to the NYPD to crack down on petty crap like those individuals who sell cigarettes. The reason: DeBlasio wanted to squeeze any and all tax revenue...

after i posted the other response i see you are seeing what i see in this case re: the whole nonsensical ratcheting up of what should have been a citation to a situation ending up with a death and the resultant al sharpton / eric holder racial BS angle.

Yup, that's pretty much the equation in a nutshell.

1) DeBlasio sets the ridiculously petty tax enforcement mouse trap in motion.
2) Some nitwit like Garner takes the bait. LEOs are ordered to enforce an absurd Commie-Fascist edict.
3) The inevitable confrontation, over-officiousness, and tragedy occurs. The race baiters, Anarchists, and Occupy movement swoop in.
4) Holder, 0bumkski, De Blasio and Sharpy exploit the situation for political points and racial division like a lit pinball machine.
5) In the confusion, De Blasio comes out smelling like a rose.
6) National LE get their balls cut off.
7) Chaos reigns. Commies score.
8) MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Incidents all over America reach a fevered pitch.
9) Further murder, destruction, mayhem continue. Nationwide riots, commerce interruptions, and reprisals take place.
10) MARTIAL LAW IMPLEMENTED.

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-10   16:56:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: e_type_jag (#15)

Six.....to address a ticket/summons.

Command presence of just one might have enabled the handing of the ticket to this clown.

Did you see the vid? That meter maid refused to get withing 15 feet of Garner, who was GROWLING. The LE was sh*tting his pants. That was 6-3 350 of PO'd home-boy. Was it petty crap? Sure. That's why Garner was pissed. That said, sheeeeeet. Listen up, Homes.

He'd been harassed by deblabios tax maids before. And maybe he was the sort of nuisance dickhead you see on the streets hawking stuff. And maybe he mouthed off to the initial contact. So what? Any street cop that can't handle being cursed should be manning the exit at walmart.

Yeah -- ALL of those charges are true. But what we don't know is the extent of the verbal abuse. In public, it's a problem for LE. At what point is a big mouth expected to finally listen to reason and courtesy? Maybe Garner was heaping TOO much abuse. And too often a nuisance. The body language was threatening as well. Something's gotta give. I don't want derelicts hanging in front of MY house either.

Give him his ticket and if he skips or FTA's then you make contact and arrest for that. Common sense protocol. I've dealt with borderline drunk and sometimes verbal disorderlies---no way possible to arrest them all here in SoCal----just no way---.....tough talk sometimes directed at me....i chuckle....tell em to f-off and follow the cite or face what's coming if they don't. Cooler heads probably as soon as I've turned the corner and nobody ends up on the ground over some pissy small incident that became out of control.

Well, come to NYC. Sounds like they could use you to help run their whole new Dept :-) Heads are gonna roll. De Blasio's should be the FIRST one (wonder if he's going to continue his confiscatory Petty-Tax policy NOW?

But imagine were you to have run into the SAME non-compliant a-hole time after time. That was the problem. I don't think ANY facet of this incident was "common sense protocol" either. SOME body up that food chain may have given the order: "Garner again?? We're sick of his sh*t. JUST KICK HIS AZZ!"

Bets are he "dissed" the initial who then asked for fill support so he/she could teach this boy a lesson.

Yep. Think you're right. They rolled right up to Garner and ambushed him like they were possessed. They were so into it that Garner's pleas were either ignored or not taken seriously.

Meanwhile---thanks to deblabios maids holder et al have yet another fake race thing to bleat about.

Yeah, I really believe De Blasio's edict was calculated to eventually create exactly what we saw. LE, proportional justice, and race relations all took a huge hit. As though a Commie Communitah Organizer and his posse planned it ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2014-12-10   17:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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