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Title: My pastors don’t believe Genesis. Should I leave my church?
Source: creation.com
URL Source: http://creation.com/my-pastor-doesnt-believe-in-genesis
Published: Nov 15, 2014
Author: creation.com
Post Date: 2014-11-15 19:23:45 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 86097
Comments: 223

My pastors don’t believe Genesis. Should I leave my church? Published: 15 November 2014 (GMT+10)

We received the following question from a supporter in Australia who was surprised to discover the pastors of his church did not believe Genesis. Tas Walker talks about some of the issues that need to be considered.

"Hi guys, I love your work, and have subscribed to the magazine and am continually encouraged by what you guys publish".

"I have a question. I’m at a church which I’ve attended for the last 12 years (I’m now 30). I’ve since realized that none of the 3 pastors take a straightforward reading of Genesis, and at least 2 of the 3 (haven’t yet checked the 3rd) don’t even believe the Flood was global. I was wondering if you had some advice on what I should do about this. I have 2 kids and 1 on the way and I want them growing up in a biblically sound church. Apart from Genesis our church is excellent. Do you think leaving the church is too drastic? Love to get your feedback, thanks heaps"!

Tas Walker replies:

Thank you for your question about being part of a church where the pastors do not accept Genesis as written. Unfortunately that is more common these days than it should be.

The decision as to which church you and your family should belong to depends on many different factors. Here are some issues for you to think and pray about.

There is no such thing as a perfect church. In some areas the church may be really good for you but in others it may be totally unhelpful. So you have to balance a lot of factors in your life.

There are usually good reasons in your life why you belong to the church you do, but churches change with time. E.g. sometimes the youth ministry is strong and other times it struggles. Your pastoral team will change and that will bring a different dynamic. So, perhaps by waiting you may see things improve.

Church is not just about what you can get out of it, but it is a place where you can minister to others with your gifts. Your passion and experience with creation may be one area where you can be a blessing to others.

In every church you will have to stand for and speak out the truth, and this can apply to many different issues. In this particular church the issue that you need to bring to others is the truth and foundation of Genesis. But speak the truth in love, with tact and in a winsome way. Look at this as an opportunity to share some wonderful truth that otherwise would not be shared.

Rather than pushing creation in six days on people as if it is your hobby horse, use it to meet their needs as you become aware of them. Thus, you can present the truth to people along the following lines: “You may find this will help resolve some of your doubts and give you a firm foundation as you follow Christ.” I always take back issues of Creation magazine to church, as well as brochures and DVDs, which I freely give to people as the need arises.

Speak the truth in love, with tact and in a winsome way.

You may be influential in the thinking and life of your pastors. It’s important to love them and support them. Don’t be divisive or argumentative. Don’t be a one-issue person but show that you are interested in the wider ministry of the church and that your passion is to serve Jesus Christ and to help others come to Him and grow in Him. Here are two examples of how a person in the pews was pivotal in helping their minister come to the truth of Genesis: A young man in a church lent a book to his minister who was big enough to read the book and research the issue and who changed his mind (see Esa Hukkinen interview).

This pastor, Owen Butt, believed Genesis was myth but changed his mind after attending a creation meeting, and that changed his whole approach to ministry. What this article does not say is that it was one of his congregation who fed him information and invited him to the creation meeting, where his whole way of thinking was changed (See Catching the vision).

Make sure that your family is properly instructed in the truth of Genesis and creation by providing books, DVDs and other resources for them. Talk about the question and issues as they arise. However, note that it is really important to always speak in a positive way about your pastors and your church, especially with your children. If there is a critical spirit and an undermining of your pastors and your church in your home, that will poison things for your children.

If the situation becomes very difficult for you, with say the pastors instructing you not to talk about the issue you may need to think about moving. In the same way, you could not accept a ministry offer from the pastors if they included a condition that you could not talk about creation in that ministry or in the church. So if there is a hardening and aggressiveness develops toward your position, say from the pulpit, you may need to think about moving.

In our life’s entire journey it is important to seek the Lord and His will for our lives.

“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.” James 1:5

God bless,

Tas Walker

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

If you don't believe Genesis. Then what exactly would be the reason for Jesus? To redeem us from what?

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-11-15   22:03:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone, CZ82, vicomte13, redleghunter (#1)

If you don't believe Genesis. Then what exactly would be the reason for Jesus? To redeem us from what?

The more relevant question IMO is what is the reason for Genesis? Why did God create Man to begin with, especially if God is all knowing and knew beforehand that He would have to send His Son to be killed at the hands of Man to bring Man back into His graces?

There is a difference between belief and faith. There was a whole thread on LP dedicated to just Genesis. There were a few very well educated on Scriptures posting on that thread. Bottom line, it resolved nothing.

Either one has faith or one doesn't. Choosing the flavor of one's religion or church is almost irrelevant. One can make a good argument that churches are divisive not unifying institutions among the faithful.

This has the making to be an interesting thread but in the end it will not change anyone's mind or resolve the question.

SOSO  posted on  2015-01-13   15:19:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: SOSO, A K A Stone, CZ82, vicomte13, redleghunter (#12)

The more relevant question IMO is what is the reason for Genesis?

Why did God create Man to begin with, especially if God is all knowing and knew beforehand that He would have to send His Son to be killed at the hands of Man to bring Man back into His graces?

The reason for Genesis is exactly that; A brief explanation of The Beginning.

As to your other questions, some things will have to remain a mystery in this mortal life. Unless you believe man in his never-ending vanity and arrogance is simply entitled to OR capable of knowing the Game Plan of The Almighty.

One can make a good argument that churches are divisive not unifying institutions among the faithful.

May be the case at your church. It has been MY observation that heathens, narcissists, atheists, and Muslims are THE most divisive forces on the planet. Do you refute my contention?

Liberator  posted on  2015-01-13   21:56:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Liberator, A K A Stone, CZ82, vicomte13, redleghunter (#18)

The reason for Genesis is exactly that; A brief explanation of The Beginning.

The how is explained but not the why.

"As to your other questions, some things will have to remain a mystery in this mortal life.

I totally concur. Mortal Man can never undrestand the Mind of God, much less the nature of the Infinite. That is why every version, every interpretation of the Bible is flawed. The very essence of language is a man made concept. God doesn't need language. In fact if you liereally believe the Bible, God created different languages to confound Man long before any Christian Bible was ever put into writting.

"It has been MY observation that heathens, narcissists, atheists, and Muslims are THE most divisive forces on the planet. Do you refute my contention? "

Yes, I do with respect to heathen and atheists, and perhaps narcissists that recognize that there is something greater than themself. I agree with respect to Islam.

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#115. To: SOSO (#19)

I totally concur. Mortal Man can never undrestand the Mind of God, much less the nature of the Infinite. That is why every version, every interpretation of the Bible is flawed. The very essence of language is a man made concept. God doesn't need language. In fact if you liereally believe the Bible, God created different languages to confound Man long before any Christian Bible was ever put into writting.

If man cannot understand God, then accordingly His sending Christ to die on that old rugged cross was without purpose.

If language is a man made concept, then God does not think.

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-01-15   19:55:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: GarySpFC (#115)

If man cannot understand God, then accordingly His sending Christ to die on that old rugged cross was without purpose.

That does not follow. God created man with certain attributes, not the least of which is supposedly being in God's image. Adam certainly had the capacity for understanding the things God communicated to him The text of Gensis is repleate with consversational exchanges between God and Adam and Eve. They didn't get it right the first time. Jesus represents a second chane for man. There is no assure that man will get it right the second time around.

"If language is a man made concept, then God does not think."

He probably doesn't in the manner we humans ascribe to thinking. Do you honestly believe that God spoke to Adam and Adam responded to God in a language as we understand that term to mean? If so, what language might that have been and why would it have been lost to humanity?

Now I understand the contradiction in my contention as represented by the story of Babel. There God seemingly did create languages to confound man, to keep man from communicating with each other. It may very well be that God intended language to continue to confound man by preventing perfect communications among people. Who knows for sure?

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