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Title: Erdogan says Muslims, not Columbus, discovered Americas
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Yahoo News
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/erdogan-says- ... overed-americas-162759161.html
Published: Nov 15, 2014
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Post Date: 2014-11-15 18:05:43 by nativist nationalist
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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Saturday that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there. "Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century. Muslims discovered America in 1178, not Christopher Columbus," the conservative president said in a televised speech during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America. "Muslim sailors arrived in America from 1178. Columbus mentioned the existence of a mosque on a hill on the Cuban coast," Erdogan said. Erdogan said that Ankara was even prepared to build a mosque at the site mentioned by the Genoese explorer. "I would like to talk about it to my Cuban brothers. A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today," the Turkish leader said. History books say that Columbus set foot on the American continent in 1492 as he was seeking a new maritime route to India. A tiny minority of Muslim scholars have recently suggested a prior Muslim presence in the Americas, although no pre-Columbian ruin of an Islamic structure has ever been found. In a controversial article published in 1996, historian Youssef Mroueh refers to a diary entry from Columbus that mentions a mosque in Cuba. But the passage is widely understood to be a metaphorical reference to the shape of the landscape.
Poster Comment: Favorite comment, by Hafiza : This made me laugh! It is truthfully *correct* that in his journals Columbus describes a "mosque" at the crest of the hills of the bay they harbored in. Of course Columbus would describe any round building overlooking the bay as a "mosque". Columbus and his group were absolutely 100% *convinced* that they had reached INDIA. Hello, that's *why* all the Native Peoples in the Americas are called INDIANS. *Columbus* called them "Indians". (And don't forget in 1492, India was under Muslim rule, so mosques were a major feature in the landscapes.)
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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
Siberians discovered and settled America, joined later by some Polynesians who settled the West Coast of South America. As far as crossing the Atlantic goes, the Phoenicians may have. The Basques too. The Norse did in the 900s. The Irish have their story of St. Brendan. Columbus' discovery was important, because it was done in the hire of a major government and led to the sustained and successful effort by that government to conquer and colonize the Americas.
I've grown weary of all the various attempts to rewrite history for every political cause.
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
Who else "may have"? Don't forget the Transylvanians, Kenyans, and Upper Voltans. Here's the bottom line: A dopey claim of Erdogan's was made to reinforce the ludicrous notion of a Muslim Caliphate in America. Not to speculate and re-consider the actual "discoverers of America." THAT has already been established history: COLUMBUS under the flag of Spain.
Yup. Leftists, Atheists, AND now Muslims are trying to re-write America's history.
Ok, so maybe they inadvertently landed in Greenland or Labrador. If so, they had NO idea that it was a "New World," but only islands off the Old World mainland. The requisite if any "discovery" of the New World necessitates traversing the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans, a cognizance of doing so.
Well, the Americas already had lots of people in them, so no, Columbus and his crews didn't discover America. The ancestors of the Indians did. Columbus and his crew discovered America for Western Europe, and that's not really the same thing as "discovering" America. Discovery means "first to find it". First to find it matters in terms of settlement, certainly. The first to get to a place get to settle it without human resistance. Obviously, then, the first people to find a spot are the discoverers, and if you come to a place that already has people in it, you're not really the discoverer. Columbus connected the Americas to Europe. He was key in that.
What difference does it make anyway?
I had my two grandchildren in the car with me one day. I was listening to a Christian radio station, and they were describing how American history was being rewritten. Apparently the new textbooks state the purpose of Thanksgiving was to thank the Indians. My grandchildren were not paying attention, so I turned and asked them what they had been taught in school was the purpose of Thanksgiving. Both responded immediately, "To thank the Indians."
“Let no one mourn that he has fallen again and again; for forgiveness has risen, from the grave.” John Chrysostom www.evidenceforJesusChrist.org/Bible
Really? Did ANY tribe of Indians create a map of North America? Answer: NO. At best they drew up crude maps of their local area, using landmarks. Europeans has already long been surveying land. Moreover, tribal north American Indians had NO perspective nor idea of exactly where they were on the planet -- never mind the continental borders or presumably any geography beyond 50 miles or so. It IS "discovering" America if there had been no prior map/recognition of it as a land mass divided by oceans. Btw -- There are also two ways to look at it; Is it "discover" America, OR rather discover "America"?? First to find it matters in terms of settlement, certainly. The first to get to a place get to settle it without human resistance. Obviously, then, the first people to find a spot are the discoverers, and if you come to a place that already has people in it, you're not really the discoverer. By some criteria your definition holds water. The "discoverer" recognizes a place as a "new" frontier, then lays claim to it. According to my criteria, THAT would be Columbus, and in Columbus' case, it is "America." Columbus connected the Americas to Europe. He was key in that. As a matter of fact, the entire key. Connecting the Americas to Europe was basically the same as connecting it to the rest of the known ("Old") world.
It helped define and meet the criteria of "discovery."
That is demoralizing. "Thanking the Indians" for what exactly? Ironic that you had been listening on just that -- the re-writing and subversion of American history.
Breaking News: Ancient manuscripts found in a mosque, recently dated at 2,000 years old, in Cuba verifies Mohammed invented the Internet and Chocolate Covered Cherries, It has been rumored that Al Gore knew about these inventions many years ago and plagerized Mohammed's invention of the Internet and invested in the manufacture of Chocolate-Covered Cherries.
#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
(Edited)
As far as crossing the Atlantic goes, the Phoenicians may have. The Basques too.
#4. To: GarySpFC (#2)
I've grown weary of all the various attempts to rewrite history for every political cause.
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
(Edited)
Norse did in the 900s.
#6. To: Liberator (#3)
Not to speculate and re-consider the actual "discoverers of America." THAT has already been established history: COLUMBUS under the flag of Spain.
#7. To: Liberator (#5)
The requisite if any "discovery" of the New World necessitates traversing the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans, a cognizance of doing so.
#8. To: Liberator (#4)
Yup. Leftists, Atheists, AND now Muslims are trying to re-write America's history.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
...The Americas already had lots of people in them, so no, Columbus and his crews didn't discover America. The ancestors of the Indians did.
#10. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
The requisite if any "discovery" of the New World necessitates traversing the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans, a cognizance of doing so.
#11. To: GarySpFC (#8)
I had my two grandchildren in the car with me one day. I was listening to a Christian radio station, and they were describing how American history was being rewritten. Apparently the new textbooks state the purpose of Thanksgiving was to thank the Indians. My grandchildren were not paying attention, so I turned and asked them what they had been taught in school was the purpose of Thanksgiving. Both responded immediately, "To thank the Indians."
#12. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
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