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Title: Pope Francis says Big Bang theory and evolution 'compatible with divine Creator'
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Published: Oct 28, 2014
Author: By Nick Squires
Post Date: 2014-10-28 13:42:04 by Ferret Mike
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Theory universe born in cosmic explosion 13.7 billion years ago 'doesn't contradict' divine Creator but 'demands it', says pontiff The theory of the Big Bang is compatible with the Catholic Church's teaching on creation and belief in both is possible, Pope Francis has said. The Pope insisted that God was responsible for the Big Bang, from which all life then evolved. The Big Bang - the theory that the universe was born in a cosmic explosion about 13.7 billion years ago and has expanded and evolved since - "doesn't contradict the intervention of a divine Creator, but demands it," the Pope said. The beginning of the world was not "the work of chaos" but part of a divine plan by the Creator, he said. The Jesuit Pope made the remarks during an address to a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature". "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve," he told the meeting. God should not be regarded as some sort of "magician", waving a magic wand, he said. "When we read about creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," he said. "He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that He gave to each one so they would reach fulfilment." The Pope's remarks were in line with Catholic Church teaching of the last few decades. As far back as 1950, Pope Pius XII said that there was no intrinsic conflict between Catholic doctrine and the theory of evolution, provided that Catholics believed that the human soul was created by God and not the result of random evolutionary forces. That stance was affirmed in 1996 by Pope John Paul II. "The Pope's declaration is significant," said Giovanni Bignami, the president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics. "We are the descendants of the Big Bang, which created the universe. You just have to think that in our blood we have a few litres of hydrogen, which was created by the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago. "Our blood is red because it contains iron, which was created by the explosion of a star millions and millions of years ago. Out of creation came evolution."
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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
Often thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.
This is a way of looking at Christianity that makes it more plausible to me. I still disagree with major aspects of that religion, but common sense being expressed by one of the largest Christian churches is a welcome thing to see. By the way, I am not Christian or a Catholic, but I was raised in that church leaving it after the ceremony of Confirmation which I had agreed to go through.
Do you believe God when he said there was NO DEATH before sin? NO DEATH?
Evolution isn't compatible with science. No one has ever documented it happening in anyplace on earth in any fashion.
Wow thanks for the update. It's now 13.7 billion years ago. Keeps getting older by a few billion every couple of years.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
The statement by the Pope is not surprising as most Catholic universities have taught since the 50s that they see evolution and an Uncreated Creator as compatible. What they don't say is if the Holy Scriptures are compatible. There is, right there the error. Because if we believe the Scriptures are inspired of God and teach Truth, and not error, then evolution is incompatible. At least the evolution preached (yes preached) today. It is easy to say and comfortable to say at a cocktail party "I'm a Christian and see no issues with believing God used Big Bang and evolution for creation." Such makes a person the Belle of the ball and we get nods of approval. But when we dig why others believe in evolution it is because they deny or just can't believe some uncreated Being could do such. Their entry argument is there is no God and big bang and evolution happened by a lot of chance and a whole lot of time. You might add as a believer "God can do anything, and could have created using the Big Bang and had His Divine Hand in every step of evolution." Sure God could have and there is a lot of the creation "event" we don't know, but what God DID reveal faithful Christians and Jews know is right there in Genesis chapter 1 and part of 2. We see in what is revealed God made man and woman in His own Image. Not from a long process of transitional life forms or simians, but His Image and likeness: 26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.(ESV) Does Genesis rule out specie adaptation? No it does not. A bird's beak can change based on the conditions surrounding it, but it never ceases being a bird. A fish is a fish, a human a human. For a fish to become a land crawling or walking creature through evolution we would not only need chance and a whole lot of time, we would need some transitional life forms showing the complete change from swimming with gills to walking with lungs. At least one transitional form which had both lungs and gills, and fins with also feet. We don't have these examples so no one can say such happened with certainty. We are Christians here so I am applying that to the discussion. So if we see Genesis 1-2 we observe what God revealed. God said He did it all. Atheists, some agnostics and generally skeptics cling to Big Bang and evolution because it gives them an "answer" a most incomplete answer, yet an answer to believe in origins without a Creator/Designer. And instead of a Creator/Designer the skeptics explain away a Designed creation as "unexplained chance with billions of years to make it happen." And they base this on what evidence exactly? None. They conjecture that since there is no God, it had to happen by chance. Wow and they say we take a blind leap in the dark! Which is another topic of discussion.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
Plausible in what sense? Meaning you can embrace an Uncreated Creator as long as those who follow Him acknowledge Big Bang and the theory of evolution? Or plausible in the sense that "finally some Christians are realizing there is no Jewish-Christian God and can now join the rest of us in the primordial goo"?
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
Sorry, I profoundly disagree with you on that point.
I believe in a female deity and question whether a Jesus Christ even existed. I respect the religions of others, but I myself am quite Pagan. I believe most religions are vehicles used to manage people and are too focused on humans as the pinnacle of creation. I feel all life is sacred, and that humans are destroying and extincting much of the fabric of life that is the best part of this planet. I also quite firmly believe that there are other planets out there with life on them.
How do you know gaia exists?
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
That's fine. Now lets look at the evidence and see if there are any conflicts. Lets start with one I had up thread. The Bible says that there was no death before sin. If evolution is true. And it goes back "millions of years". The Bible goes back much shorter of a time. I haven't added it up but they say under 10,000. Years of history in the Bible. So if you go back 10,000 years. You have Adam and Eve. You have God telling them that there was no death before sin. No death before they ate the forbidden fruit. So for your view to be correct. There would have to have been no death before when Adam and Eve were here 10,000 years ago. So your position would have to be that there was no death unil 10,000 or so years ago. Mike lets let bygones be bygones and debate honestly. It isn't enough for you to just spout off that you don't agree. You have to be logical in what that means. I think that is fair. So do you think there was no death until 10,000 years ago?
Ok you believe that. Also you said you doubt that Jesus Christ existed. Do you think there is more evidence that life existed on other planets. Or that Jesus walked the earth? By the way do you have any evidence at all for life on other planets?
What do you mean "a way". Is that "spin". Or maybe you mean you are trying to make it conform to what science says today. Is that what you are saying that if the Bible is compatible with what scientists are telling us today about evolution then is more acceptable? Does that mean that Bible believers should "bend" their beliefs as new "scientific" discoveries are made. Also once some of these theories are overturned should they bend their beliefs back? By the way Mike happy to have you back. You are interesting to talk to.
I would agree that some people can use religion to manage or control people. But are those people being true to what is found in the Bible. Are they living the way the Bible tells us to live? Can you cite some examples when you get a chance. It would be interesting to see what you are referring to when you say "manage".
I'm tired. I just got off work a bit ago and I'll post tomorrow morning before I have to go back to work again. Nice to be back.
NOTE TO SELF: Dismiss plans to turn Flipper into "Mammy."
In 1970 he founded the Dolphin Project, a group that aims to educate the public about captivity and, where feasible, free captive dolphins. He was featured in the Academy Award-winning film, The Cove (2009), which used covert techniques to expose the yearly dolphin drive hunting that goes on in Taiji, Japan." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric_O'Barry Flipper's name was Kathy and she is dead.
Hello Mike...Kathy (RIP :-( I once knew a woman who shocked me with her belief there was NO difference between Man and...Dolphin -- in both the context of intelligence and possessing a soul. Does that happen to mirror your personal belief as well? Or do you extend that concept even further and believe EVERY creature is "equal" in the eyes of Gaia/God/The Universal Creator? Thanks...
The writers in the Bible didn't try to get history “right” in the same sense as say author of an academic textbook does. What they did was interpreted the past in their place and time, for their own communities, to answer their own questions of faith. Why else does the Bible contains two very different “histories” of Israel and why is there four Gospels that recount Jesus’ life differently?
I would say I agree with her. Dolphins have language and culture. They have brains that rival ours in size and complexity. Do you believe God when he said there was NO DEATH before sin? NO DEATH? That's one of the rubs, isn't it? IF -- as Genesis tells us - we indeed believe that there was "NO DEATH" before the sin of Adam and Eve, how then could the death of dinosaurs precede the emergence of Adam and Eve? IF we believe in the inerrant word of God as per Genesis, death ONLY occurred after their sin...which means, YES, dinosaurs existed afterward and NOT "millions" of years ago and Junk Science has asserted -- without a shred of evidence other than erroneous methods of "dating." But besides this angle on "evolution" and the BBT, viable tissue from dinosaurs has been found and studied (no NOT the big news in the media one would expect.) HOW SO?? Because dinosaurs existed WITH man...and died during the aftermath of the Great Flood. The strata of rock formations (and with it, embedded fossils) prove the cataclysmic catastrophic of the Great Flood and epic upheaval of the planet. Back to "Dating" methodology, DID the Great Flood cause the "Atomic Clock" to be recalibrated?) Really interesting article and link: http://creation.com/Did-god-create-over-billions-of-years
Many of our questions, even some of the more pressing questions we face daily, aren’t answered in the Bible. The Christian Bible isn’t an answer book but a story of how Jesus answers for us the biggest question of all: what God is like.
I believe that death is and has always been part of life. And I believe that the universe and this planet are far older that 10,000 years, and that the evidence shows dinosaurs died out long before we evolved.
Still waiting to see it...
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
I am not aware of two different histories for Israel. Can you point me out to what you are talking about? Also the four Gospels don't recount Jesus life differently. They tell what they saw from their vantage point. Just like if me and you went to a party. We wouldn't tell it the same way. You may have talked to some people that I didn't or you may have looked at different paintings on the wall then me. I use that as an example. Regardless could you please point me out to what you think are differences. Maybe we can come to an understanding.
I don't believe in the literal translation of much of Genesis. I understand that others do. I am not interesting in arguing about it but if you choose to try and convince me otherwise, I will respectfully read and pay close attention. My wife and I disagree on this point as well, she is very much a Young Earth Creationist and I am more of a "What is time and space to the Supreme Being who created it" creationist.
We all have beliefs; But on what evidential science or philosophy do you base your belief? Moreover, who or what created the Life-Death Cycle of all matter, and why? Why must everything die -- including stars? Why is no physical energy eternal? Sure, these may be are rhetorical questions, but there still needs to be an author of such a cycle and answers. I believe that the universe and this planet are far older that 10,000 years... Based on WHAT scientific evidence? The evidence shows dinosaurs died out long before we evolved. Again, based on what "evidence"? The scientific evidence is instead discovering dinosaur DNA and tissue has survived "millions" of years. How can that be? Dinosaur fossils and bones are found in clusters, some discovered with meal contents still in their stomach. "Millions" of years? Not possible. Such a preserved state of tissue, DNA, and bone couldn't even survive hundreds of thousand of years without rapid decomposition. UNLESS.... some cataclysmic force buried and entombed them so quickly they couldn't putrefy. That force was the Great Flood, @ 4500 hundred years ago. The "science" that claims dinos are "millions" of years old have quite a scientific conundrum. As to "evolution," no scientists have been able to prove a shred of evidence to support an iota of this impossible theory. None. ZERO fossil records. "Evolution" is a genetically/biological impossibility of a theory which NO scientist can prove -- yet some scientists keep on maintaining the charade, Mike.
I can see both sides -- including yours. I've been where you are. Sure, God could have snapped His finger, created an earth that just "looks old." Or IS old. But that's not what He said in Genesis about Creation. And Adam and Eve. He was specific. Two problems for us as Believers: 1) ALL the "science" we've been taught since kids in school; ALL the "science" books have promoted the "billions year-old earth" as well as Evolution as "Fact"; Even taught the "fact" that Man is descended from Ape. ALL are theories of unproven doctrine (do we see a pattern here?) Of late we have several scientific sources leaking out, supporting Young Earth Creationism AND Genesis. Still not easy or finger-tip accessible to the general public, BUT thankfully the internet has solved that mystery. Otherwise we'd never have known that viable dinosaur DNA, tissue and bone has been discovered intact. That alone destroys science's doctrinal dating methods. 2) Disbelieving Genesis is also akin to disbelieving and discrediting the Word of God (as a direct result of Junk Science doctrine.) IF Genesis is literally wrong, what else is "wrong"? What other miracles were "impossible"? Jesus Himself referred directly to details in each of the first seven chapters of Genesis fifteen times. That validates Genesis for me. ALL of it. Here is a fascinating site that may be able to address yoiur reservations. http://creation.com/qa#Geology Here can be found a book that explains Young Earth. I've read it. It crushes evolutionism. SCIENTIFICALLY: http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1254.asp If your reservations are about "Dating" methodology -- especially the bread and butter of Old Earthers -- Carbon-14 dating -- it has been proven notoriously unreliable, inconsistent, and embarrasingly indefinite about "proving" the age of any of this earth -- never mind an "old Earth." The really odd, surprising thing here is that science actually supports a Young Earth. It wasn't until the acceptance of "Uniformitarianism," a theory floated in the mid 19th century, promoting an old, gradualism of geological change displaced the theory of "Catastrophism"-- widely accepted until then (because it is what the Bible said.) Catastrophism is theory of one sudden and single cataclysmic geological act (Noah's Flood) that "rebooted" Planet Earth, it's climate, life, life spans, geography, radiation levels, etc. totally and dramatically.
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I am not interesting in arguing about it but if you choose to try and convince me otherwise, I will respectfully read and pay close attention. I'll try to do that. Feel free to point out anything that I am missing. I think that if God is going to give us his word it would have to be true. Some might argue (not you but others) that there is no God. So they wouldn't believe it at all. But if we believe it is the word of God, and God in that book that it would be translated to all nations and tongues (paraphrasing) wouldn't it be reasonable that he would give it to us truthfully, literally. So as not to confuse us. It seems to me that when things are not literal the Bible tells us that it isn't literal. For example when it talks about the beast and horns then explains what the horns etc are. Also since Christ came into the earth to redeem us from sin, brought into the world by Adam and Eve. His purpose is tied to Genesis. Since you said you take literally I don't know what parts you believe or what you think they mean. I think this is a good book on the subject.
Are you conceding that the Bible is not compatible with evolution if taken literally? Literally meaning what it says it means.
Mike think about this and please give an honest answer. If you were considering becoming a christian. And in your journey you read the book of genesis. You read that there was a worldwide flood that covered the earth. If you considered that hypothetically. Then you thought if this really happened like the Bible said it did. Then you wanted to look for some evidence of this event. If you went and looked and all over the earth and there were dead things buried in mud all over the earth. Even in the highest regions. You know the fossil record. Would you think these facts, you know the fact that the fossil record exists. Would you think that the fossil record was consistent or inconsistent with the story of the flood found in the Book of Genesis? In fact wouldn't the fossil record be something that you would have to find in order to have "proof". And that if you didn't find a fossil record you could use that as evidence that the Bible is not true?
Thanks. I'm not entirely sure that I'm ready change my mind on this, I didn't come to the Lord because the Bible sounded right to me, I came because I used to be a cop. I looked into the deaths of the Apostles. You tell me that all I have to do is cop to a fraud and I will NOT get tortured to death? I'll tell you everything you want to know. This is how I know that those men knew that Jesus is the Son of God. I am looking for something as tangible in order to believe in the literal translation of Creation. Looks like I got some reading to do.
A very honest story and assessment. Thanks for sharing.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12)
"Fraud"?? "Death"? Sorry, not following that supposition. Thanks. I'm not entirely sure that I'm ready change my mind on this, I didn't come to the Lord because the Bible sounded right to me, I came because I used to be a cop. However you got to accept the Lord as Savior is fine with Him. But He wants us to keep on growing. All I'm trying to do is to provide forensic pieces of an investigation that has demonstrated God intended Genesis to be taken literally instead of as an allegory. As a cop, you know that "evidence" can be tampered with, a narrative can be influenced, and an investigation can be spiked. Look -- I realize *you* still believe in the Word. I just believe the humanists/Atheists have spiked the case of Genesis by seeding it with doubt based on Junk Science. This in order to sabotage God's Six Day Creation because it is antithetical to their Evolution doctrine and Old Earth narrative. I am looking for something as tangible in order to believe in the literal translation of Creation. Looks like I got some reading to do. This isn't about your salvation as you know; just a matter of validating through further examination and consideration "new" tangible evidence that the Six Day Creation was how God said it all happened. Seek and ye shall find. I hope you find the hunger and inspiration to get to that "A-HA!" moment.
"One of the reasons I started taking this anti-evolutionary view, was ... it struck me that I had been working on this stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. ...so for the last few weeks I've tried putting a simple question to various people and groups of people. Question is: Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said, 'I do know one thing -- it ought not to be taught in high school'." Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Paleontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London Keynote address at the American Museum of Natural History, New York City, 5 November, 1981
“Of course, it is still possible to believe in both modern evolutionary biology and a purposive force, even the Judaeo-Christian God. One can suppose that God started the whole universe or works through the laws of nature (or both). There is no contradiction between this or similar views of God and natural selection. But this view of God is also worthless…. [Such a God] has nothing to do with human morals, answers no prayers, gives no life everlasting, in fact does nothing whatsoever that is detectable. In other words, religion is compatible with modern evolutionary biology (and, indeed, all of modern science) if the religion is effectively indistinguishable from atheism. William B. Provine, review of Trial and Error: The American Controversy over Creation and Evolution, by Edward J. Larson (New York: Oxford University Press, 1985, 224 pp.), Academe, vol. 73 (January/February 1987), pp. 51-52 Provine was Professor of History of Biology, Cornell University
The human and dolphin brain comparison brain is...interesting. As to "complexity," we don't possess any instruments, gauges, or metrics that prove the extent of their "complexity." Just that Dolphins are admittedly very intelligent, possess "feelings", and possesses their own language, and understand human communication to a degree. SAME AS DOGS. OR APES. That said, you still didn't answe my original question: Do you extend that concept even further and believe EVERY creature is "equal" in the eyes of Gaia/God/The Universal Creator? Are we "committing murder" if we slaughter cattle? Hooking a fish? Stepping on a spider? Eradicating ANY "life" for whatever reason? How does Gaia "judge" man? Doe she provide "Salvation"? What IS the "End Game" for Gaia and her "children?
So...a "respectable" scientist was able to find a detente with Believers in a Creator -- as long as they accept a "modern evolutionary biology." BUT ONLY the under the ground rules and terms that NO morality, prayer, and concept redemption was also part of the "force" by this same Creator? Many scientists believe that funding for science might suffer if the atheistic implications of modern science were widely understood.” ~ (New York: Oxford University Press, 1985, 224 pp.), Academe, vol. 73 (January/February 1987) 27 years ago this statement may have been true. But today the academic/government funding is totally controlled by pro-Atheists, whose primary agenda at has been promoting 'Climate Change'/'Global Warming' as a socialist/ecomonic sledgehammer. Agenda #2: "Discovering" many earths and ETs. Despite controlling most of the academic/government funding, many atheists in the field of science have indeed DEFECTED and have found it impossible to keep on presenting lies, random anecdotal evidence, and wishful thinking as scientific FACT. This has led them re-examine the complex creation of God and know Evolution is a fraud. Lastly, many former atheists and agnostics have broken free of the Science Plantation's requisite of worshiping at the altar of the Group-Think totalitarianism of a monolithic God-Free science.
"Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing that is true?" I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said, 'I do know one thing -- it ought not to be taught in high school'." ~ Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Paleontologist, 1981 In over 30 years since "nothing" became the unanimous answer to the question asked an an 'Evolutionary Morphology Seminar' ("Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing that is true?") NOTHING has changed... Darwinism within the realm of evolutionary "science" may be Dead. But it lives on in the minds and philosophies of abortionist Margaret Sanger, and other Darwinist "survival of the fittest" disciples like Marx, Woodrow Wilson...Hitler, Stalin, 0bola, and his 0bolaCare Director of Soylent Green (who believes extending life after age 75 is selfish. By then you are...deemed OB-SO-LETE by the almighty State.)
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#2. To: 4 givan 1 (#1)
~ Mike McCarthy
#3. To: 4 givan 1 (#1)
ften thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.
#4. To: Ferret Mike, jwpegler (#2)
#5. To: Ferret Mike, liberator (#0)
Theory universe born in cosmic explosion 13.7 billion years ago '
#6. To: 4 givan 1, liberator, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, Don (#1)
Often thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
This is a way of looking at Christianity that makes it more plausible to me
#8. To: A K A Stone (#4)
"Evolution isn't compatible with science."
~ Mike McCarthy
#9. To: redleghunter (#7)
~ Mike McCarthy
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
Sorry, I profoundly disagree with you on that point.
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
I also quite firmly believe that there are other planets out there with life on them.
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
This is a way of looking at Christianity that makes it more plausible to me.
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
I believe most religions are vehicles used to manage people
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
"By the way Mike happy to have you back
~ Mike McCarthy
#16. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
Intelligent humans should respect and protect non-human intelligent beings. Never kill or enslave dolphins ~ Mike McCarthy
#17. To: Liberator (#16)
"Richard "Ric" O'Barry (born Richard Barry O'Feldman)[1][2] is an American first recognized in the 1960s for capturing and training the five dolphins that were used in the well-known TV series Flipper. O'Barry made a radical transition from training dolphins in captivity to assertively combating the captivity industry soon after Kathy, one of the Flipper dolphins, died in his arms. O'Barry contends Kathy committed suicide.[3]
~ Mike McCarthy
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
Flipper's name was Kathy and she is dead.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#11)
I haven't added it up but they say under 10,000. Years of history in the Bible.
~ Mike McCarthy
#20. To: Liberator (#18)
"I once knew a woman who shocked me with her belief there was NO difference between Man and...Dolphin -- in both the context of intelligence and possessing a soul."
~ Mike McCarthy
#21. To: A K A Stone, 4 givan 1, redleghunter, Ferret Mike (#3)
Often thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.
#22. To: A K A Stone (#13)
"What do you mean "a way". Is that "spin". Or maybe you mean you are trying to make it conform to what science says today."
~ Mike McCarthy
#23. To: Liberator (#21)
(Edited)
"Do you believe God when he said there was NO DEATH before sin? NO DEATH?"
~ Mike McCarthy
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
and that the evidence shows
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#19)
Why else does the Bible contains two very different “histories” of Israel and why is there four Gospels that recount Jesus’ life differently?
#26. To: A K A Stone (#3)
Do you believe God when he said there was NO DEATH before sin? NO DEATH?
#27. To: Ferret Mike, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#23)
Ferret Mike ~ "I believe that death is and has always been part of life."
#28. To: 4 givan 1 (#26)
(Edited)
My wife and I disagree on this point as well, she is very much a Young Earth Creationist and I am more of a "What is time and space to the Supreme Being who created it" creationist.
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
Many of our questions, even some of the more pressing questions we face daily, aren’t answered in the Bible.
#30. To: 4 givan 1, Ferret Mike (#26)
I understand that others do.
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
believe that death is and has always been part of life. And I believe that the universe and this planet are far older that 10,000 years,
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
(Edited)
#33. To: Liberator (#28)
#34. To: 4 givan 1 (#33)
#35. To: 4 givan 1 (#33)
(Edited)
You tell me that all I have to do is cop to a fraud and I will NOT get tortured to death?
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
#37. To: Liberator (#35)
“My observation is that the great majority of modern evolutionary biologists now are atheists or something very close to that. Yet prominent atheistic or agnostic scientists publicly deny that there is any conflict between science and religion. Rather than simple intellectual dishonesty, this position is pragmatic. In the United States, elected members of Congress all proclaim to be religious. Many scientists believe that funding for science might suffer if the atheistic implications of modern science were widely understood.”
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
I would say I agree with her. Dolphins have language and culture. They have brains that rival ours in size and complexity.
#39. To: GarySpFC, 4 givan 1, Ferret Mike, A K A Stone, redleghunter (#37)
In other words, religion is compatible with modern evolutionary biology (and, indeed, all of modern science) if the religion is effectively indistinguishable from atheism.
#40. To: GarySpFC (#36)
I've tried putting a simple question to various people and groups of people. Question is:
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