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Title: Pope Francis says Big Bang theory and evolution 'compatible with divine Creator'
Source: telegraph.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor ... tible-with-divine-Creator.html
Published: Oct 28, 2014
Author: By Nick Squires
Post Date: 2014-10-28 13:42:04 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 61866
Comments: 132

Theory universe born in cosmic explosion 13.7 billion years ago 'doesn't contradict' divine Creator but 'demands it', says pontiff

The theory of the Big Bang is compatible with the Catholic Church's teaching on creation and belief in both is possible, Pope Francis has said. The Pope insisted that God was responsible for the Big Bang, from which all life then evolved.

The Big Bang - the theory that the universe was born in a cosmic explosion about 13.7 billion years ago and has expanded and evolved since - "doesn't contradict the intervention of a divine Creator, but demands it," the Pope said.

The beginning of the world was not "the work of chaos" but part of a divine plan by the Creator, he said.

The Jesuit Pope made the remarks during an address to a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature".

"Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve," he told the meeting.

God should not be regarded as some sort of "magician", waving a magic wand, he said.

"When we read about creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," he said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that He gave to each one so they would reach fulfilment." The Pope's remarks were in line with Catholic Church teaching of the last few decades.

As far back as 1950, Pope Pius XII said that there was no intrinsic conflict between Catholic doctrine and the theory of evolution, provided that Catholics believed that the human soul was created by God and not the result of random evolutionary forces.

That stance was affirmed in 1996 by Pope John Paul II.

"The Pope's declaration is significant," said Giovanni Bignami, the president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics.

"We are the descendants of the Big Bang, which created the universe. You just have to think that in our blood we have a few litres of hydrogen, which was created by the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.

"Our blood is red because it contains iron, which was created by the explosion of a star millions and millions of years ago. Out of creation came evolution."

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Often thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.

4 givan 1  posted on  2014-10-28   13:46:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: 4 givan 1 (#1)

This is a way of looking at Christianity that makes it more plausible to me. I still disagree with major aspects of that religion, but common sense being expressed by one of the largest Christian churches is a welcome thing to see.

By the way, I am not Christian or a Catholic, but I was raised in that church leaving it after the ceremony of Confirmation which I had agreed to go through.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2014-10-28   14:07:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

This is a way of looking at Christianity that makes it more plausible to me

Plausible in what sense?

Meaning you can embrace an Uncreated Creator as long as those who follow Him acknowledge Big Bang and the theory of evolution?

Or plausible in the sense that "finally some Christians are realizing there is no Jewish-Christian God and can now join the rest of us in the primordial goo"?

redleghunter  posted on  2014-10-28   18:10:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: redleghunter (#7)

I believe in a female deity and question whether a Jesus Christ even existed. I respect the religions of others, but I myself am quite Pagan.

I believe most religions are vehicles used to manage people and are too focused on humans as the pinnacle of creation. I feel all life is sacred, and that humans are destroying and extincting much of the fabric of life that is the best part of this planet.

I also quite firmly believe that there are other planets out there with life on them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2014-10-29   1:34:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

I believe in a female deity and question whether a Jesus Christ even existed.

As well you should. The deity, Elohiym, is female, and male, both. YHWH is masculine. The Holy Spirit and the Glory of God are feminine. Jesus is masculine. Of course he existed: you can see what he looked like and get a sample of his blood from the Shroud of Turin.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-11-01   16:28:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Vicomte13 (#56)

As well you should. The deity, Elohiym, is female, and male, both. YHWH is masculine. The Holy Spirit and the Glory of God are feminine. Jesus is masculine.

Never heard of this.

Liberator  posted on  2014-11-01   16:56:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Liberator (#64)

As well you should. The deity, Elohiym, is female, and male, both. YHWH is masculine. The Holy Spirit and the Glory of God are feminine. Jesus is masculine. Never heard of this.

Follow me and don't let go. This is not heresy.

The word "Elohiym" - "God" - remember, is a PLURAL. The singular is "El or Al", masculine, or "Eloah or Alah", feminine. Both the masculine and feminine singular forms appear as place names or as parts of the name of the Deity (El Shaddai literally means "The Mighty One of My Teats"; El-Elyon - literally means the Mighty One - Mighty One whose Arm generates over the chaos).

Elohiym is a unitive noun and takes the masculine singular verb when speaking of GOD; otherwise it means "gods" (really "mighty ones") when it takes a plural verb.

Next, there is the "Breath of God" - the "Ruach Elohiym", or the "Holy Breath". We translate "Breath" in Greek as "Pneuma" - and this is the word Spirit. In Hebrew, the Spirit of God (that hovers over the water) is a feminine singular noun. The "Spirit" in Hebrew is feminine. Likewise, the Shekinah, the Glory of God that radiates around holy things, and out of the Ark of the Covenant, is a feminine singular.

All of these things: YHWH, Ruach, Shekinah, El and Eloah are all unitively referred to as the plural "Elohiym": God.

Now look at the 6th day: In Elohiym's image he made man; male and female he made them. Elohiym is both male and female. El is male. YHWH is male. Jesus is male. But the Holy Spirit is female, and so is the Glory of God. This is so grammatically. It's also right there in the text: in Elohiym's image, male and female both. Eloah, Ruach and Shekinah are female. And all "part" of Elohiym.

Elohiym takes a masculine singular noun, but when being self-referential, Elohiym frequently employs "WE". YHWH only employs "I".

It's all right there, if one unpacks it carefully.

This should be a source of joy, because all of a sudden all sorts of strange and messy loose ends in Scripture make sense, and we realize that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all right there in the very first SENTENCE of Genesis. Indeed, it's pretty obvious when one looks at the words, the plurals. It's easy to see the Trinity, and Christians love to see this. Some Christians become stubborn and don't like seeing the femininity of God ALSO right there in Genesis, particularly the femininity of the Holy Spirit. That is disturbing, because it's not the Christian tradition.

Throw out the bad tradition, then, just as Jesus says to, and embrace what the Scripture SAYS on its face, in the inspired Hebrew. It's perfectly obvious in Hebrew that the Spirit is feminine. It's a feminine word. We don't HAVE masculine and feminine gender of nouns in English, so we don't see it. But a translation is just an echo - God didn't reveal these things in English, he did it in Hebrew.

Vicomte13  posted on  2014-11-01   17:14:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Vicomte13 (#67)

This [Masculine/Feminine Godhood] should be a source of joy, because all of a sudden all sorts of strange and messy loose ends in Scripture make sense, and we realize that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all right there in the very first SENTENCE of Genesis. Indeed, it's pretty obvious when one looks at the words, the plurals. It's easy to see the Trinity, and Christians love to see this.

Some Christians become stubborn and don't like seeing the femininity of God ALSO right there in Genesis, particularly the femininity of the Holy Spirit. That is disturbing, because it's not the Christian tradition.

No Bible scholar am I, but frankly, the concept wasn't "strange" or the ends "loose" until now :-)

The reason it's disturbing is that it feeds into pagan concepts of Mother Earth and "Goddesses."

I'll have to further examine your thesis, Vic, because I've never heard of your translation related to in gender terms other than "God the Father." We have the Father, Son...and yes, "Holy Spirit."

Of note: Man (Adam) was created first; Jesus (the Father's Son, in His place) also male. I hope Mary doesn't play into this equation somehow.

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