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Title: Pope Francis says Big Bang theory and evolution 'compatible with divine Creator'
Source: telegraph.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor ... tible-with-divine-Creator.html
Published: Oct 28, 2014
Author: By Nick Squires
Post Date: 2014-10-28 13:42:04 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 68357
Comments: 132

Theory universe born in cosmic explosion 13.7 billion years ago 'doesn't contradict' divine Creator but 'demands it', says pontiff

The theory of the Big Bang is compatible with the Catholic Church's teaching on creation and belief in both is possible, Pope Francis has said. The Pope insisted that God was responsible for the Big Bang, from which all life then evolved.

The Big Bang - the theory that the universe was born in a cosmic explosion about 13.7 billion years ago and has expanded and evolved since - "doesn't contradict the intervention of a divine Creator, but demands it," the Pope said.

The beginning of the world was not "the work of chaos" but part of a divine plan by the Creator, he said.

The Jesuit Pope made the remarks during an address to a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, which gathered at the Vatican to discuss "Evolving Concepts of Nature".

"Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve," he told the meeting.

God should not be regarded as some sort of "magician", waving a magic wand, he said.

"When we read about creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so," he said.

"He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that He gave to each one so they would reach fulfilment." The Pope's remarks were in line with Catholic Church teaching of the last few decades.

As far back as 1950, Pope Pius XII said that there was no intrinsic conflict between Catholic doctrine and the theory of evolution, provided that Catholics believed that the human soul was created by God and not the result of random evolutionary forces.

That stance was affirmed in 1996 by Pope John Paul II.

"The Pope's declaration is significant," said Giovanni Bignami, the president of Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics.

"We are the descendants of the Big Bang, which created the universe. You just have to think that in our blood we have a few litres of hydrogen, which was created by the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.

"Our blood is red because it contains iron, which was created by the explosion of a star millions and millions of years ago. Out of creation came evolution."

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Often thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.

4 givan 1  posted on  2014-10-28   13:46:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: 4 givan 1 (#1)

ften thought the same thing. BBT, evolution.....all of it is just the way of the Creator.

Do you believe God when he said there was NO DEATH before sin? NO DEATH?

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-10-28   15:28:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Do you believe God when he said there was NO DEATH before sin? NO DEATH?

I don't believe in the literal translation of much of Genesis.

I understand that others do.

I am not interesting in arguing about it but if you choose to try and convince me otherwise, I will respectfully read and pay close attention.

My wife and I disagree on this point as well, she is very much a Young Earth Creationist and I am more of a "What is time and space to the Supreme Being who created it" creationist.

4 givan 1  posted on  2014-10-29   18:16:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: 4 givan 1 (#26) (Edited)

My wife and I disagree on this point as well, she is very much a Young Earth Creationist and I am more of a "What is time and space to the Supreme Being who created it" creationist.

I can see both sides -- including yours. I've been where you are. Sure, God could have snapped His finger, created an earth that just "looks old." Or IS old. But that's not what He said in Genesis about Creation. And Adam and Eve. He was specific.

Two problems for us as Believers:

1) ALL the "science" we've been taught since kids in school; ALL the "science" books have promoted the "billions year-old earth" as well as Evolution as "Fact"; Even taught the "fact" that Man is descended from Ape. ALL are theories of unproven doctrine (do we see a pattern here?)

Of late we have several scientific sources leaking out, supporting Young Earth Creationism AND Genesis. Still not easy or finger-tip accessible to the general public, BUT thankfully the internet has solved that mystery. Otherwise we'd never have known that viable dinosaur DNA, tissue and bone has been discovered intact. That alone destroys science's doctrinal dating methods.

2) Disbelieving Genesis is also akin to disbelieving and discrediting the Word of God (as a direct result of Junk Science doctrine.) IF Genesis is literally wrong, what else is "wrong"? What other miracles were "impossible"? Jesus Himself referred directly to details in each of the first seven chapters of Genesis fifteen times. That validates Genesis for me. ALL of it.

Here is a fascinating site that may be able to address yoiur reservations.

http://creation.com/qa#Geology

Here can be found a book that explains Young Earth. I've read it. It crushes evolutionism. SCIENTIFICALLY:

http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/1254.asp

If your reservations are about "Dating" methodology -- especially the bread and butter of Old Earthers -- Carbon-14 dating -- it has been proven notoriously unreliable, inconsistent, and embarrasingly indefinite about "proving" the age of any of this earth -- never mind an "old Earth."

The really odd, surprising thing here is that science actually supports a Young Earth. It wasn't until the acceptance of "Uniformitarianism," a theory floated in the mid 19th century, promoting an old, gradualism of geological change displaced the theory of "Catastrophism"-- widely accepted until then (because it is what the Bible said.) Catastrophism is theory of one sudden and single cataclysmic geological act (Noah's Flood) that "rebooted" Planet Earth, it's climate, life, life spans, geography, radiation levels, etc. totally and dramatically.

Liberator  posted on  2014-10-29   19:18:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#33. To: Liberator (#28)

Thanks. I'm not entirely sure that I'm ready change my mind on this, I didn't come to the Lord because the Bible sounded right to me, I came because I used to be a cop.

I looked into the deaths of the Apostles.

You tell me that all I have to do is cop to a fraud and I will NOT get tortured to death?

I'll tell you everything you want to know. This is how I know that those men knew that Jesus is the Son of God.

I am looking for something as tangible in order to believe in the literal translation of Creation. Looks like I got some reading to do.

4 givan 1  posted on  2014-10-29 20:35:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Liberator (#28)

If your reservations are about "Dating" methodology -- especially the bread and butter of Old Earthers -- Carbon-14 dating

The flaw in all radioactivity dating methods, whether Carbon-14 or Uranium isotope, is they all rely on a uniform rate of decay. However, radioactive decay rates are a function of "C", the speed of light. If C has decayed over time (and there is experimental evidence that it has, parabolically, since early times - it was tens of thousands of times faster in distant ages), then the "clock" of radioactive decay rates used to run much, much faster. If the clock ran 1,000,000 times faster 20,000 years ago, then 100 million years, at the current rate, ran in 100 years.

That is how you can end up with an earth that radioactively measures at "billions" of years old that is, in fact, only tens of thousands of years old. It's also why the light coming in in all directions from distant galaxies is all red-shifted, and why the red-shift is quantized.

The slowing of the speed of light is actually observed BY the red-shift, and has been calculated using the various calculations of the speed of light over the past 300 years. The consist drift is about 1% decay in 300 years. Fitted to a curve, we get a parabola with light a billion times faster a couple of tens of thousands of years ago.

That is probably the real truth behind all of this, which is why putting it together as I have, which actually shows you the MECHANISM, and EXPLAINS both the celestial phenomena AND the radioactive dating phenomena all together, is certain to raise vehement and explosive anger in some.

Wait and you'll see it.

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