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Title: Document Recently Found Has Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle (Hoax)
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URL Source: http://guardianlv.com/2014/10/docum ... t-of-jesus-performing-miracle/
Published: Oct 17, 2014
Author: Kimberly Ruble
Post Date: 2014-10-17 22:53:49 by A K A Stone
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In Rome, a document recently found has an eyewitness account of Jesus performing a miracle. An Italian professional was examining the paper written in the first century by the Roman historian Marcus Paterculus. It has only been recently found inside the annals of the Vatican and on it there was written what appears to be the very first eyewitness account ever documented of one of the miracles performed by Jesus. The author told of a scene that he supposedly observed, in which a prophet who he named Isous de Nazarenus, revived a baby who had been stillborn and gave him back to his mother.
Historian Ignazio Perrucci was employed by authorities of the Vatican in 2012 to go through and analyze over 6,000 antique documents that had been found in massive archive crypts. Perrucci had already been excited when he detected that the writer of the text was the celebrated Roman historian Paterculus, but he was totally shocked after he read the content of the document.
Professor Perrucci discovered the text in the collections of the Vatican, while he was looking through a packet of personal letters and other minor documents that dated back to the Roman period. The writing, when looked at as a complete narrative tells of the writer’s departing journey from Parthia to Rome, which happened in 31 AD. It was recorded on four pieces of parchment. He speaks of various events happening during his journey, like an intense sandstorm in Mesopotamia and when he visits a temple in Melitta which is now called Mdina in modern day Malta.
Yet the piece of text that really got the historian’s attention was when he read about an event occurring in the town of Sebaste. That would be close to the city of Nablus in the modern day, which is in the West Bank. The writer talked about the coming of a great leader into the city with his assembly of disciples. He also had many followers and this meant that a lot of the lower class people from nearby villages were gathering around the group. Paterculus stated that the great man’s name was Isous de Nazarenus, which was a Greco Latin translation of Jesus’ Hebrew name, Yeshua haNotzri.
The document stated that when he entered the town, it was written that Jesus had gone to the home of a woman by the name of Elisheba. She had just had a stillborn baby. Jesus reportedly picked up the dead infant and said a prayer in Aramaic. The writer stated that it was “immensus”, which meant that it was unintelligible. Next, right in front of the crown, to their wonder and astonishment, the baby returned to life crying and fidgeting like a vigorous newborn.
Marcus Paterculus, was a Roman officer of Campanian heritage, and it appears that he saw Jesus as some sort of great man who could perform miracles. He did not appear to associate him with the Christian idea of him being the Messiah.
There have been numerous tests and examinations done in the past few weeks to try and determine the manuscripts authenticity. The make-up of the parchment and the ink used to write on it, the literary panache and even the handwriting have been cautiously inspected and are believed to legitimate. The dating investigation also showed that the parchment on which the text was penned, did date from the 1st century, precisely from between 20-40 AD.
This text written by an author, who has always been known for his dependability, has brought a new viewpoint on the life of Jesus of Nazareth. An official translation of the manuscript is planned to be released and made available online in numerous different languages over the next couple of months. However, the effect of the discovery has already been felt in the scientific community. Numerous researchers believe this to be one of the greatest developments ever found toward the study of the life of Jesus, while many others think it is nothing but a fraud and have uttered doubts about the conclusions of all the tests and want many more done before they declare this to be any sign of that Jesus really lived. They do not trust the document.
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#16. To: pinguinite (#0)
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Well, satire or not, the theological model I subscribe to does not mean Jesus never lived and performed miracles. There may well have been a man named Jesus (or whatever the ancient version of his name was as it certainly wouldn't have been spelled in our present day alphabet), walking the earth, performing miracles and spreading a message of good will, and upsetting the establishment in the process. Supernatural events (aka miracles) can and do occur. The issue I have with Christianity is only that A) Reincarnation does occur, in almost certain contradiction of Hebrews 9:27. B) The bible, therefore, cannot be the "Word of God". At least in the sense of perfect divine inspiration. The original message could have been divinely true but then corrupted as passed from that point into written form (i.e. present day bible). C) In my personal view, because we are souls born in the spirit world that can and do exist independently of our human bodies, we are not *primarily* human beings. Our human identity is only a secondary identity. Because of that, the core of Christian theology, which holds that Jesus took human form to indentify with us, and died as one of us, for the salvation of our non-human souls, breaks down. That because some souls never incarnate, and others incarnate from time to time as non-humans, on alien worlds. IOW, our human identity is merely incidental. That being the case, a human sacrifice (Jesus dying on the cross for the salvation of us "humans") no longer makes sense. Again, that's my personal view. I'm sure there are others who do believe in reincarnation but also subscribe to that element of Christian theology. I understand the Gnostic Christians of the first few centuries AD did subscribe to reincarnation until Constantine declared it a heresy (for the purposes of political control of the masses). There is much is the gospels I do agree with. The golden rule for one, and that love is the greatest commandment (though not a commandment, per se). While the theological reasons for the death of Jesus I find erroneous, the message behind the story of his sacrifice is correct -- namely that we are all loved enormously, far more than we can humanly comprehend. Though in my view, the love is greater than that portrayed by Christian theology because I say we are never overtly judged or condemned to hell for all eternity. There will be judgement, but we will judge ourselves, and judge soundly, without the distraction of our human mind, and lovingly encouraged to grow and do better next time. Whether a soul can condemn itself to annihilation, I do not know, but free will is perfect in the spirit world. This theological model is, in my view, superior because we are loved more perfectly. God never gives up on us, as opposed to giving up on an unrepentant sinner when he dies, young or old. All of us are here because we chose to be here, knowing in advance (at the subconsciously/spiritual level) what our lives would be like, so life is in fact, fair. None of us suffers pain without a reason. Life has a real, practical purpose, and that is for us to grow and advance spiritually. In short, there are far more sound answers with this model than with the Christian model. But back on the subject of Jesus performing miracles, it's very possible. Souls do have that capability. The stronger, more advanced the souls, the more powerful, though most of us walking the earth are pretty weak (or we wouldn't be here). Best...
Did you obtain your understanding of the life between life from personal hypnosis or a trained Newton hypnosis? How different are Newton's beliefs and methods to those practiced by Hollywood actress Shirley MacLaine? I read some of Newton's website. Frankly it is nothing new from the New Age era of the 70s and 80s. What he has done was marry the beliefs of human reincarnation, New Age mysticism and use hypnosis as a method to access past experiences. Again frankly not new as mediums have existed since the beginning of civilization. I also offer a concern of hypnosis. People voluntarily submit to hypnosis to stop smoking, lose weight etc. In such cases a person is willingly allowing someone to alter their behavior or thoughts whether it be to not pick up a pack of smokes or not eat that donut at midnight. Aren't you concerned someone you don't know is "getting inside" your head and has you in a vulnerable suggestive state? The testimonials of those who were personally under Newton for hypnosis or one of his many assistants boast similar or completely identical experiences and understanding. This might shock some but it is most obvious as those who are hypnotized not to smoke have similar testimonials. Why? The suggestive nature of hypnosis. This is akin to brain washing and very cultic. Also, what evidence can you provide the canonical scriptures are not the Word of God. You used "cannot be" which is an assertion and not based on evidence.
I believe there is an assertion or rather resumption that NO written word of man or its "evidence" can be trusted as uncorrupted or valid. That ALL history is a lie or subverted. As an aside, on what "evidence" is the theory of "reincarnation" based? This [hypnosis] is akin to brain washing and very cultic. Aren't you concerned someone you don't know is "getting inside" your head and has you in a vulnerable suggestive state? Hypnosis IS a form of brain washing. It works when our "firewall" of consciousness is breached. Moreover, it exposes one's mind and spirit to much vulnerability as this is an "open door" to demonic intrusion and invasion. A matter NOT often discussed.
Evidence can take many forms. Accounts people give of past life recall, under hypnosis or not is "evidence" though not necessarily proof. (Evidence and proof are not the same thing, afterall). But here is a video that presents the most compelling case I know of in favor of reincarnation. If one is to honestly NOT believe in reincarnation, one must have an alternate explanation for this account. What is it? Alternate explanations might be fraud, but a news station would be committing suicide if they falsely reported this. Maybe the family made up the whole thing, but if they did, the sister of the WWII pilot that died would have to be in on it, and also the pilot's crewmates. How likely is it they would be willing to let a family defame the memory of this pilot for their own personal gain? I'd put it at near zero. So to me, fraud cannot explain it. A supernatural explanation might be demons. My problem with that: Demons are always the scapegoat, brought up to explain any unknown that contradicts one's Christian beliefs. Seems to me a convenient way of ignoring things. Not that it can't be that, but such an explanation cannot be proven. All in all, evidence like the above should be considered, not in a vacuum, but together with all other evidence, such as Newton's findings as well as those of many other authors on the subject. To me, shutting eyes to evidence that contradicts our beliefs is not an honest way to go about things. I should add though that reincarnation is not just a present day concept. It dates back thousands of years in many cultures, so some evidence the theory of reincarnation is based upon must also be very ancient.
One alternate explanation could be Carl Jung's theory of a collective unconscious, among many. And you do not strike me as a zealous sort at all, but the conversation reminds me of a humorous event years ago. I was attending a lecture by an Indian Orthodox Bishop, who in part of his discourse stated that much of what happens to us after death is a Mystery. A New Ager approached him after the lecture, and stated that surely since he was from India that he believed in reincarnation. He again restated that much of what happens to us is a mystery, and she went hysterical -- shouting that reincarnation is a "fact" and that Christians don't accept it because of their dogmatism. ;P Anyway, Jung's model is just one example of an alternate explanation for experiences such as featured in the video or the phenomena of "idiot savants" -- people with severe mental disabilities who display some amazing gift and knowledge of a very specialized sort. On the subject of hypnosis, while I would agree with you that it is not some dangerous Svengali type of mind-control, studies have shown that it has some inherent limitations for scientific use. You are correct that people cannot be compelled to do something that they would object to doing in normal consciousness. In my youth I took several years of psychology courses in college and one of the demonstrations bolsters you in this but also presents a weakness too. The professor was trying to demonstrate the above -- that hypnotized people will not do something that they morally object to -- so after he hypnotized a number of student volunteers, he asked them to do a few minor silly things -- which they all did. Then he asked them to completely undress in front of the class, and almost all of them froze and took no action. One girl, however, began to comply with his request. Of course, he immediately told her to stop, and after bringing them all out of hypnosis it was learned from her that she was paying her way through college by working as a stripper. So in your own examples, if people do not have a moral objection to the idea of reincarnation, they can "remember" things even if it was not really the case. In part of our classes, the professor discussed some of the benefits and drawbacks to hypnosis for information gathering. In police work, hypnosis is normally only allowed if other avenues for gathering leads has been exhausted. One valid use has been to use it to try to help a crime victim remember something like a briefly glimpsed car license plate. If they remember a number, that hypnotically gathered evidence would not be admissible in court -- the only benefit would be if police trace the license number and discover other evidence when investigating the owner of the car. A key problem with using hypnosis for information gathering is that one of the main traits of someone under hypnosis is that they are highly suggestible. One example of where this can lead to horrible results was the hysteria over "Satanic Ritual Abuse" during the 1980's. With that phenomena, we had the unusual pairing of fundamentalist Christians with psychotherapists. Children taken in for therapy would "remember" being subjected to horrible abuse at the hands of an organized and widespread conspiracy of Satanists. The only problem was that further investigation showed that the overwhelming majority of the accusations were false, and innocent people had been accused of horrible things based upon hypnotically gathered "evidence" that when the physical evidence was investigated proved that the allegations were false. As a result, psychology even now has a term for the phenomena -- false memory syndrome. www.britannica.com/EBchec...171/false-memory-syndrome In terms of Mr. Newton's studies and many of the people who "remember past lives", it is entirely possible that the overwhelming majority of them have no negative ulterior motive for their experiences. But just as with the SRA cases, sometimes people are drawn to fantastic scenarios when under hypnotic suggestion. In the SRA cases, "secular" therapists were no longer treating people for mundane things like eating disorders or sexual disfunction -- no, they were saving society from a band of crazed Satanists sacrificing babies right under our unknowing noses! And likewise with hypnotically guided "past life regression", people gain things that they like. They get an explanation, a new world view. In many cases, they get to feel like that in the past they were someone heroic and powerful. The video featured a child "remembering" that he was a WWII fighter pilot! What young boy would not want to be able to believe that was their own history? I have yet to ever meet someone claiming to have remembered a past life where they remember being something like a garbage collector or a drug addict. They are almost always something exciting and glamorous, something that the average person in a humdrum life wishes they could be. Anyway, thank you for thought-provoking discussion, I've enjoyed it and I enjoy reading your posts.
Here's a video of a researcher on the subject of false memories.
Hello Orthodoxa, Thanks for your contributions and good words. I appreciate reading your comments as well. I've watched the video. I'm quite aware myself, I think, of my own limitations in accurately recalling events. I suspect if I'm ever called as a witness in a trial I'm probably going to disappoint just about anyone who asks me any questions about things I saw only one time. In the case of James Leininger, who recalled being a WWII pilot, many details of what he claimed to recall were accurate. There are a number of other videos on youtube that go into more detail in his case. The name of the ship James Houston (the pilot's name) served on (and there were hundreds of light carriers in service in the Pacific by war's end), the ship commander, the names of crewmates who died in the war. As a child he knew the difference between a drop tank and a bomb which his parents did not. (A drop tank looks like a bomb but is an external fuel tank dropped from the plane when empty). He also knew the F-4 Corsair had a problem with getting flat tires, which turned out to be accurate which is something I never new even though I was always had an interest in WWII aircraft, so that is a WWII detail the modern public isn't even aware of. There is even a claim of him recognizing by face and identifying by name the veterans Huston served with at a reunion for the crew of the carrier Huston served on. It would seem to me facial recognition is something that goes beyond what false memory implantation could explain. I'm confident all of these things would at least rule out *innocent* false memory implant by the parents of James Leininger, making fraud in the case of the family the next candidate explanation, with the sister and crewmates of Houston being the victims of deception, and acting on false memories. My view: This would involve the parents setting up their 6-7 year old kid to carry out the deception. Granted the kid would be innocent, but even so it is a real stretch to suggest, not that there are parents out there that would attempt such a thing as regrettably I'm sure there are, but that such an effort would actually succeed, and not only with a single person, but with 2 and probably at least a half dozen more. I can't imagine strangers, including WWII vets who've seen combat, upon being told that a 7 year old kid remembers them from many decades ago, not putting the kid to the test by asking open ended questions for the chance to be amazed by an accurate answer. With all of this... no, I can't see false memory implant being a reasonable explanation for James Leininger. At best I'd say theoretically possible but in reality nigh impossible.
#49. To: Pinguinite (#46)
Thanks for the friendly and thought-provoking discussion. I would still maintain that in my view it would be entirely possible for the child to unconsciously absorb quite a lot of trivia about WWII without any sort of attempts at fraud by his parents or anyone else. WWII is not an obscure subject. A large portion of the American populace had members of their families involved in it. It is an extremely popular subject in television, movies, cartoons, books, and video games. I'll give just one example from my own childhood. My dad fought in WWII. He was badly wounded in the Battle of the Bulge. My brothers and I kidded him during our teenage years because it was extremely common for us to encounter him watching yet another WWII documentary or other program on TV. It was cathartic for him, which we understood later. But anyway, just for one example of very detailed information in an unlikely source -- one time I picked up a WWII FPS video game -- Medal of Honor: European Assault. I saw that it had a level in it that was at the exact location where my dad had fought, so I waited until he was home from work to play it. An amazing thing happened. Electronic Arts, the maker of the game, had digitally mapped out the Belgian city of Krinkelt so that it was an extremely accurate depiction of the village at the time of the German attack. My dad was literally able to tell me in advance which way to go to reach various landmarks in the game, such as the American HQ. As you can see, the game makers also intersperse actual WWII news footage in the game as well. So a child who had that particular game would be able to amaze a veteran of WWII, who had fought in the Battle of the Bulge, by accurately describing a pretty obscure little village in Belgium. He would "know" many trivial things about that battle. In the video that you posted, we literally see the child playing a WWII flight simulator. As mentioned above, a lot of these games are packed with very accurate information -- after all, the game makers were aware that many of their customers would likely have had a family member that would know first hand what things were like, and I'm sure that it helps them sell more games if they make them accurate in many details (aside from the genre fiction of a video game where you can get magically healed from injuries and just keep on fighting. ;) ) A HUGE part of my personal enjoyment of the game that I played was a result of it being so accurate in it's digital environment. Before that event playing it with my dad, like most vets of that era, he had not discussed hardly anything about his wartime experiences. When he was watching the game with wide eyes and guiding me toward the next landmark that I needed to go to, he opened up and long after I had put the game down talked for a long time about what it had been like. And that is from just a single video game! Like I said earlier, there is a wealth of information out there about WWII, it does not surprise me in the least that a young boy fascinated by the subject would learn a lot of minor details about it. I know many kids in my family and family friends who have learned amazing things about it themselves. One darling little family friend was taken by her dad to a flight history museum in Colorado that had a display about the Flying Tigers. She had the amazing experience while there of an elderly veteran pointing to one of the photographs in the display and showing his own face from back then. He spent a good amount of time telling her many details about his experience. So again I would maintain that there is no need to believe that fraud was involved. A small child could do something as simple as play a game for a few months and absorb some incredibly detailed information that could amaze a veteran who had actually been in the conflict. Additionally, if you have interacted with small children of that age, you will know firsthand that they very often have great difficulty in distinguishing the difference between pretend fantasy and real life. So is it possible that the little boy remembered a "past life"? Yes, that is one possibility. But it is also possible that he just developed false memories that were reinforced by adults who quite innocently very much wanted the "past life" scenario to be true.
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#20. To: A K A Stone (#16)
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#21. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone, Don, liberator, out damned spot (#20)
#26. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone, Don, out damned spot (#21)
What evidence can you provide the canonical scriptures are not the Word of God. You used "cannot be" which is an assertion and not based on evidence.
#37. To: Liberator (#26)
As an aside, on what "evidence" is the theory of "reincarnation" based?
#42. To: Pinguinite, redleghunter, Liberator (#37)
But here is a video that presents the most compelling case I know of in favor of reincarnation. If one is to honestly NOT believe in reincarnation, one must have an alternate explanation for this account. What is it?
#44. To: Pinguinite, redleghunter, Liberator (#42)
#46. To: Orthodoxa (#44)
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