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Title: Document Recently Found Has Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle (Hoax)
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URL Source: http://guardianlv.com/2014/10/docum ... t-of-jesus-performing-miracle/
Published: Oct 17, 2014
Author: Kimberly Ruble
Post Date: 2014-10-17 22:53:49 by A K A Stone
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Comments: 96
In Rome, a document recently found has an eyewitness account of Jesus performing a miracle. An Italian professional was examining the paper written in the first century by the Roman historian Marcus Paterculus. It has only been recently found inside the annals of the Vatican and on it there was written what appears to be the very first eyewitness account ever documented of one of the miracles performed by Jesus. The author told of a scene that he supposedly observed, in which a prophet who he named Isous de Nazarenus, revived a baby who had been stillborn and gave him back to his mother.
Historian Ignazio Perrucci was employed by authorities of the Vatican in 2012 to go through and analyze over 6,000 antique documents that had been found in massive archive crypts. Perrucci had already been excited when he detected that the writer of the text was the celebrated Roman historian Paterculus, but he was totally shocked after he read the content of the document.
Professor Perrucci discovered the text in the collections of the Vatican, while he was looking through a packet of personal letters and other minor documents that dated back to the Roman period. The writing, when looked at as a complete narrative tells of the writer’s departing journey from Parthia to Rome, which happened in 31 AD. It was recorded on four pieces of parchment. He speaks of various events happening during his journey, like an intense sandstorm in Mesopotamia and when he visits a temple in Melitta which is now called Mdina in modern day Malta.
Yet the piece of text that really got the historian’s attention was when he read about an event occurring in the town of Sebaste. That would be close to the city of Nablus in the modern day, which is in the West Bank. The writer talked about the coming of a great leader into the city with his assembly of disciples. He also had many followers and this meant that a lot of the lower class people from nearby villages were gathering around the group. Paterculus stated that the great man’s name was Isous de Nazarenus, which was a Greco Latin translation of Jesus’ Hebrew name, Yeshua haNotzri.
The document stated that when he entered the town, it was written that Jesus had gone to the home of a woman by the name of Elisheba. She had just had a stillborn baby. Jesus reportedly picked up the dead infant and said a prayer in Aramaic. The writer stated that it was “immensus”, which meant that it was unintelligible. Next, right in front of the crown, to their wonder and astonishment, the baby returned to life crying and fidgeting like a vigorous newborn.
Marcus Paterculus, was a Roman officer of Campanian heritage, and it appears that he saw Jesus as some sort of great man who could perform miracles. He did not appear to associate him with the Christian idea of him being the Messiah.
There have been numerous tests and examinations done in the past few weeks to try and determine the manuscripts authenticity. The make-up of the parchment and the ink used to write on it, the literary panache and even the handwriting have been cautiously inspected and are believed to legitimate. The dating investigation also showed that the parchment on which the text was penned, did date from the 1st century, precisely from between 20-40 AD.
This text written by an author, who has always been known for his dependability, has brought a new viewpoint on the life of Jesus of Nazareth. An official translation of the manuscript is planned to be released and made available online in numerous different languages over the next couple of months. However, the effect of the discovery has already been felt in the scientific community. Numerous researchers believe this to be one of the greatest developments ever found toward the study of the life of Jesus, while many others think it is nothing but a fraud and have uttered doubts about the conclusions of all the tests and want many more done before they declare this to be any sign of that Jesus really lived. They do not trust the document.
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#16. To: pinguinite (#0)
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Well, satire or not, the theological model I subscribe to does not mean Jesus never lived and performed miracles. There may well have been a man named Jesus (or whatever the ancient version of his name was as it certainly wouldn't have been spelled in our present day alphabet), walking the earth, performing miracles and spreading a message of good will, and upsetting the establishment in the process. Supernatural events (aka miracles) can and do occur. The issue I have with Christianity is only that A) Reincarnation does occur, in almost certain contradiction of Hebrews 9:27. B) The bible, therefore, cannot be the "Word of God". At least in the sense of perfect divine inspiration. The original message could have been divinely true but then corrupted as passed from that point into written form (i.e. present day bible). C) In my personal view, because we are souls born in the spirit world that can and do exist independently of our human bodies, we are not *primarily* human beings. Our human identity is only a secondary identity. Because of that, the core of Christian theology, which holds that Jesus took human form to indentify with us, and died as one of us, for the salvation of our non-human souls, breaks down. That because some souls never incarnate, and others incarnate from time to time as non-humans, on alien worlds. IOW, our human identity is merely incidental. That being the case, a human sacrifice (Jesus dying on the cross for the salvation of us "humans") no longer makes sense. Again, that's my personal view. I'm sure there are others who do believe in reincarnation but also subscribe to that element of Christian theology. I understand the Gnostic Christians of the first few centuries AD did subscribe to reincarnation until Constantine declared it a heresy (for the purposes of political control of the masses). There is much is the gospels I do agree with. The golden rule for one, and that love is the greatest commandment (though not a commandment, per se). While the theological reasons for the death of Jesus I find erroneous, the message behind the story of his sacrifice is correct -- namely that we are all loved enormously, far more than we can humanly comprehend. Though in my view, the love is greater than that portrayed by Christian theology because I say we are never overtly judged or condemned to hell for all eternity. There will be judgement, but we will judge ourselves, and judge soundly, without the distraction of our human mind, and lovingly encouraged to grow and do better next time. Whether a soul can condemn itself to annihilation, I do not know, but free will is perfect in the spirit world. This theological model is, in my view, superior because we are loved more perfectly. God never gives up on us, as opposed to giving up on an unrepentant sinner when he dies, young or old. All of us are here because we chose to be here, knowing in advance (at the subconsciously/spiritual level) what our lives would be like, so life is in fact, fair. None of us suffers pain without a reason. Life has a real, practical purpose, and that is for us to grow and advance spiritually. In short, there are far more sound answers with this model than with the Christian model. But back on the subject of Jesus performing miracles, it's very possible. Souls do have that capability. The stronger, more advanced the souls, the more powerful, though most of us walking the earth are pretty weak (or we wouldn't be here). Best...
There is absolutely no proof for that. To be honest it makes you sound kooky.
There are many ways to sound kooky. One way is to talk about God. Another is to tell everyone about Jesus. Attempting sail around the world, if it were flat, would be beyond kooky and be absolutely insane. In short, anyone who acts on a faith in something unseen can be perceived as a kook, particularly by those who possess erroneous assumptions about the subject at hand. In regards to reincarnation, it makes no sense to someone who assumes we are primarily human, and/or that souls, if they exist at all, are somehow a byproduct of human conception. But given a scenario where souls are created in the spirit world having nothing to do with human conception, and make up our primary identity, reincarnation becomes a reasonable concept. In my case, reincarnation is one element of many which fit together to present the most beautiful and complete explanation I have ever had for who and what we are, why we are here, and why life is the way it is with all it's hardships and wonder. That complete explanation, and yes, even the beauty of it, exceeds that presented by Christian theology, and appears also to be corroborated by present day observations. So to me, believing in reincarnation is not kooky at all.
On its surface it's the easiest and most beautiful way to help create a happy ending for everyone. But it conveniently omits the issues justice, accountability, and morality. How does it explain why we are here and to what reason and purpose? By whose authority? By whose rationale? It then leads to questions -- BIG questions about our creation AND creator.
Actually it doesn't. All 3 of those elements are covered in this model. Morality, being kind and fair, not to mention loving others is an offshoot of spiritual development and progress. (I should add that Newton claims that souls which progress far enough eventually stop incarnating, and continue their progress in the spirit world, so that is our goal). On justice and accountability, Newton reports that those who live a life harming others will voluntarily choose future lives in which they will suffer just as they have made others to suffer. This for the purpose of understanding and empathizing with those whom they have harmed. The lives we live were chosen by us from the spirit world, knowing in advance what difficulties, if any, we would face. So the points you list are indeed covered. We are here to develop and advance spiritually. The earth is a spiritual gymnasium. You go to the gym to work out and sweat, and when you return, you are stronger and healthier, and you keep taking trips to the gym to get better and better. Well, the earth is a spiritual gymnasium where we come to work out spiritually, and we do so by suffering hardships, difficulty and even tragedy, and the test of our strength is how we respond. Do we hurt others, flee and wallow in self-pity, or do we rise up and continue loving and helping others charitably? So here again, Newton presents an extremely practical explanation not just for life and it's hardships but for the existence of the entire universe. This as opposed to the Christian/biblical explanation which is, quite obtusely, "the glory of God". And then I ask, wouldn't Newton's explanation glorify God much more than the Christian explanation?
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#20. To: A K A Stone (#16)
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#23. To: Pinguinite (#20)
A) Reincarnation does occur, in almost certain contradiction of Hebrews 9:27.
#31. To: A K A Stone (#23)
To be honest it makes you sound kooky.
#33. To: Pinguinite (#31)
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In my case, reincarnation is one element of many which fit together to present the most beautiful and complete explanation I have ever had for who and what we are, why we are here, and why life is the way it is with all it's hardships and wonder.
#40. To: Liberator (#33)
On its surface it's the easiest and most beautiful way to help create a happy ending for everyone. But it conveniently omits the issues justice, accountability, and morality.
How does it explain why we are here and to what reason and purpose? By whose authority? By whose rationale? It then leads to questions -- BIG questions about our creation AND creator.
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