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Humor Title: RLKK: "Where it [Christianity] results in some improvement, it is tolerable... where it conferrs arrogance and intrusion, it is disgusting." (52 of 56 Christian Signers of the Declaration of Independence snicker) "The Main Doctrinal Problem with Protestant Fundamentalism is the same as that which common to all religions. "It is the assertion of mythology as revealed by one or another ignorant assholes is the revelation of some great uncontestable truth. For people rendered accessable by their own stupidity, thats all they have. In those instances where it results in some improvement, it is tolerable, but a poor substitute for thought... "In those instances where it [Christianity] conferrs arrogance and intrusion, it is disgusting." http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=348653&Disp=15#C15
Poster Comment: Where do you start with such inferior thinking, conferred arrogance, and utter ignorance of US History? Firstly, there IS no "Bill of Rights" OR Declaration of Independence IF the Christian majority of Founders were "intrusive" and coercive as a matter policy from which to govern. The underpinnings of the fledgling American Republic itself -- of which 52 of 56 signers (give or take a couple) of the Declaration of Independence were Orthodox Christians --were those who pledged lives, fortunes, and honor. There exists NO reports, rumors, or hearsay of ANY Atheists pledging the same. According to Liberty Post's RLKK, because they were Christians, these Founding Fathers ALL demonstrated a "poor substitute for thought" -- unlike our friend's superior militant atheistthought, which fantasizes that the American Republic EVER could have been established and thrived for 200 plus years without Christian thought (what, with their tiny, puny brains) as the great majority, guided by their Judeo-Christian ethic and morals. American leaders long understood this Biblical truth... According to Benjamin Franklin, no Christian himself: "History will afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion from its usefulness to the public; the advantage of a religious character among private persons; the mischiefs of superstition; and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern." Franklin understood that history, when accurately presented, would demonstrate the need for Christianity because of both the societal and the individual benefits it produces. In fact, the presenting of an uncensored and unrevised history actually causes a recognition of the hand of God - for, in the words of the great statesman Daniel Webster: "History is God's providence in human affairs." Today, however, history is presented in such an edited, revised, and politically-correct manner that God's hand is rarely visible - and even the historic role of famous Godly leaders in education, business, politics, and the military is now virtually unacknowledged. Here is a representative list and words of just some of those "stupid" Christian Founders whose sacrifices and commitment to the American Republic result in "some improvement" to the liberty and standard of living of its citizenry: The Founders As Christians I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins. On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts. Sensible of my mortality, but being of sound mind, after recommending my soul to Almighty God through the merits of my Redeemer and my body to the earth . . . Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity. I John Hancock, . . . being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament…Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth . . . nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God. . . Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name! In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . . First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . . In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . professing to believe and hope in the joyful Scripture doctrine of a resurrection to eternal life . . . With an awful reverence to the great Almighty God, Creator of all mankind, I, John Morton . . . being sick and weak in body but of sound mind and memory-thanks be given to Almighty God for the same, for all His mercies and favors-and considering the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the times thereof, do, for the settling of such temporal estate as it hath pleased God to bless me with in this life . . . I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears. [W]hen I consider that this instrument contemplates my departure from this life and all earthly enjoyments and my entrance on another state of existence, I am constrained to express my adoration of the Supreme Being, the Author of my existence, in full belief of his providential goodness and his forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state, acknowledging with grateful remembrance the happiness I have enjoyed in my passage through a long life. . . To the eternal, immutable, and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever, Amen!. . . [F]irst, I give my soul to a holy, sovereign God Who gave it in humble hope of a blessed immortality through the atonement and righteousness of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit. My body I commit to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian manner. I fully believe that this body shall, by the mighty power of God, be raised to life at the last day; 'for this corruptable (sic) must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.' [I Corinthians 15:53] My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly! I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. . . . that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God. . . . that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners, and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the Gospel offer. I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, the universal defection and depravity of human nature, the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior, the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, accompanied with an habitual virtuous life, and the universality of the divine Providence, but also . . . that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state; that all occasions of vice and immorality is injurious either immediately or consequentially, even in this life; that as Almighty God hath not been pleased in the Holy Scriptures to prescribe any precise mode in which He is to be publicly worshiped, all contention about it generally arises from want of knowledge or want of virtue. Principally and first of all, I bequeath my soul to God the Creator and Giver thereof, and body to the Earth . . . nothing doubting but that I shall receive the same again at the General Resurrection thro the power of Almighty God; believing and hoping for eternal life thro the merits of my dear, exalted Redeemer Jesus Christ. I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 8.
#6. To: Liberator, out damned spot (#0)
Yes hammer meet nail. NOW when confronted with the FACTS of what you posted the answer is "the founders only sounded all religious to get votes just like today's politicians." The blatant ignorance of that statement shows they don't teach early American history in public schools and college. Francis Schaeffer said in his tome "How Shall We Then Live" that Americans and the West in general forget the US constitution points to the Reformation, the Reformation to the Bible and the Bible to God. I think he had it about right but would include the American First Great Awakening in the mix.
Yup, that kinda their narrative, isn't it? Some Atheists are actually (with a straight face) maintaining that ONLY for political expediency (like today's politicians (*cough, hack*), some Founders merely FAKED being believing in God or a belief as a "Christian" -- just so could blend in with the other Christians. And NOT be beheaded or hung. *snicker* Makes ZERO sense of course, then again, neither do illogical Atheist minds who buy this kooky premise. The blatant ignorance of that statement shows they don't teach early American history in public schools and college. NOT taught for at least 50 years. By necessity, Marxist-Dewey-ism and Darwinish have colluded to utterly erase real history and education in America -- especially its Christian-inspired heritage and genesis of this Republic. How can the causation, battles, and participants of Revolutionary War -- to which we owe this Republic -- barely be considered a footnote of "American history" in Publik Sskool?? Francis Schaeffer said in his tome "How Shall We Then Live" that Americans and the West in general forget the US constitution points to the Reformation, the Reformation to the Bible and the Bible to God. I think he had it about right but would include the American First Great Awakening in the mix. I agree of course with both Schaeffer and your addendum. Can you imagine the greatness of this nation NOW were all of it taught to children during the last 100 years?
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