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Title: "Militant Atheist" Endorses Stalinist Censorship for "religious fanatics" at LP; Exposed as a Hypocrite
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Liberty Post
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... gi?ArtNum=348566&Disp=525#C525
Published: Oct 13, 2014
Author: Redleghunter
Post Date: 2014-10-13 14:15:07 by Liberator
Keywords: MilitantAtheist, HypocritalLibertarian, FauxConstitutionalist
Views: 83779
Comments: 168
#525. To: tpaine, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, listener (#502)
LOL you are a piece of work. What about the libertarian, CT and homosexual lobby fanatics who post here? Mr. Libertarian you can't silence one philosophical voice or view, let all others opine and expect to be called libertarian.
Mr. Constitution I and every person of faith or religion has a First Amendment Right to freely exercise our religion AND as with all Americans the freedom of speech. Now if Goldi wants to limit those rights on her forum fine, but call it "Limited Libertypost" to accurately portray the site.
For someone who opines daily on the rights of individuals yet wants a particular philosophical thought suppressed is complete hypocrisy.
Please examine yourself.
Redleghunter is apparently one of those "religious fanatics" tpaine referred to. Tpaine -- a HUGE so-called "constitutionalist" and crusader for libertarianism -- was emboldened and still intoxicated and inspired by Goldi-Lox's "fanatic jesus"/you make me VOMIT!" comment.
Will Mr. Constitution "comprende" Hunting Season when its declared on hypocritical Libertarians? Chyeah, Paine -- We ALL saw what happened when one Closet Christian-Hater got called out on his fake "libertarian" and select memory of the US Constitution.
(Tpaine):"We've all seen what happened at FR when religious fanaticism took too much control. Goldie doesn't want it to happen here. Comprende?"
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Tpaine -- yet another closeted out-of-the-woodwork Stalinist libertarian/Militant Atheist and anti-Christian -- was exposed and called out for his utter and complete blatant hypocrisy. Courtesy, redleghunter..
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#1. To: redleghunter, LF (#0)
Hypocrisy and pseudo-Stalinism at "Limited Liberty" Post has become rife. (Or has it always been, but just percolated up to the surface when Goldi blew open her Door of Hate?) Btw, savvy observations. Thanks for exposing the truth of the matter, Red.
Yes, thankyou red! :) tpaine is one of the people I absolutely cannot stomach. He is a rabid Libertarian who doesn't realize that his comments reveal the opposite of what he claims to be. "Mr. Constitution," you are a legend in your own mind.
A man truly possessed.... BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD :-) He has been armed and blessed with the sword of Truth in staunch defense of the Faith. May many others find inspiration and courage in his determination and strength. tpaine is one of the people I absolutely cannot stomach. He is a rabid Libertarian who doesn't realize that his comments reveal the opposite of what he claims to be. A Libertarian to the extent that in his mind, moral relativism is supposedly the intent endorsed by the Framers of the Constitution. I am embarrassed for him, but also for many others at "Liberty" Post who hold the same opinion. Having humored his charade of hiding behind the purported Atheism of Thomas Paine, just who was he? Thomas Paine helped fan the flames of the American Revolution. So inspirational was it, that George Washington ordered the first essay from 'Common Sense' read aloud to the troops at Valley Forge... Unfortunately, Paine later became infatuated with the French Revolution, which he mistakenly saw as in the same tradition as the American Revolution. Paine later realized his error. The American Revolution was based on Christian principles, while the French Revolution was hostile to Christianity. The American Revolution resulted in unprecedented political liberty for its citizens, while the French Revolution ended in a bloodthirsty tyranny. Paine's unfortunate defense of the French Revolution was titled 'The Age of Reason,' a book he later recanted: Thomas Paine's last words were: http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cdf/onug/paine.html
OUCH! Lol...
Another lovely cross-forum thread you posted. tpaine, I don't think you can compete with my own much more impressive thread found here. You're going to have to try harder, T.
Thank you -- I aim to please. Keeping everyone on their toes is my life's calling... I've been tempted to create a thread, quoting that "Faux Christian" retread, F16Fighter. Then I ask myself, "Is that PITA worth the grief?" ;-)
You might want to take a look at yukon's attempt to re-invent himself by quoting scripture in all of his posts. "Is that PITA worth the grief?" I suggest you bozo him. ;>)
Don't you need to have your own mind before you can be a legend in your own mind? Yea, I though so. Well. tpaine has shown in his posts that he is mindless ... in that he acts or does without justification or concern for the consequences. Sorry about shooting your thesis down, ODS.
DONE as soon as I saw his dishonorable moniker. :-)
Will the heretic be burned at the stake?
At some point in time, it's ALL our turn. ;-)
At least he posted a link to that thread, --- wherein Goldi, and I, defended her concept that posters on a forum dedicated to discussions on constitutional liberty and its political aspects, should not have to be subjected to fundamentalist preaching on threads posted about politics. I think we made her point, and the preaching over at LP was toned down a bit. There's no comparison. I had goldi on my side, so I won't rub it in.
She was a pretty fierce monotheist. And there were times it was too much; sometimes it seems you couldn't go 5 posts on some threads without it jumping the tracks into deep theology. That wasn't what people clicked on the article to read. It's an entirely fair point. I always said the same about posting too much Ron Paul stuff. Or the endless Palin stuff. You need a mix of news to have a little broader site. It isn't some final cruel descent into tyranny because you're expected to at least try post on-topic for a thread. Some people get so dramatic about it.
Some people get so dramatic about it. Lots of drama here now, and the same old suspects from LP are scripting it. So far it's been mostly fun, but I think they're starting to ride AKA and the Devil a bit too much. Seems like every other post they're being pinged.
Thankfully, we had this site to come to when LP started to head towards the Soviet-style "freedom from religion" censorship.
"Preaching fanatic"?? Why I oughta...!! Oh, and a hat-tip to TC for opening this can o' worms. Hey, it's not my fault you guys bait me. ;-)
It felt more more "Stalinist" than Soviet ;-) Certain strains of libertarians and atheists still believe that "freedom from religion " is a constitutional "right." Jesus Freaks unite!! :-)
Quite right Mr Obvious. But that was not the issue on the thread you cited. She didn't limit any rights. She asked the religious fundamentalists to lighten up, and by and large they did.
Soviet? Seriously? : )
Though I'm loooong over the issue at hand, JESUS people/fanatics" were ordered to cram His mention. NOT "lighten up." That subject thread as so often is the case these days involved crossover issues of both religion AND politics. It wasn't strictly a "Jesus-fanatic" thread. As for your part, I stand by my words and claim, paine. You sounded more Stalinist than Constitutional: "We've all seen what happened at FR when religious fanaticism took too much control. Goldie doesn't want it to happen here. Comprende?" Uh, no comprendo, Senor Constitution.
Can't we Jesus-fanatics have any fun and engage in the slightest hyperbole? Homophobe. 8-P
She didn't limit any rights. She asked the religious fundamentalists to lighten up, and by and large they did. Anybody can read that thread, and it proves you're still hyping the issue. As I said, anybody can read it, and see that you've mischaracterized it. "We've all seen what happened at FR when religious fanaticism took too much control. Goldie doesn't want it to happen here. Comprende?" I stand by my comment. Your Stalinist remark is sheer bull, and it makes you sound like a fool.
"Freedom from religion" is a Soviet concept, not an American one. We have freedom OF religion here. For a site to advertise itself as not censoring people for their beliefs, but then to censor people due to their religious beliefs or in some cases even political beliefs (she also regularly purged Libertarian posts during election seasons -- note: I'm not a Libertarian, I just recognize that when the censorship of them started that someday it would happen to me too, and indeed it did.) Off topic vulgarity and insults were tolerated and even encouraged, but people simply posting their religious views on a topic of the day were told to keep it hidden from view. The Soviets did the same thing, they would proclaim that the Soviet Union had "freedom of and FROM religion", in practice that meant that if anyone saw you openly practicing or proclaiming Jesus Christ, that you would be punished for it. The Soviets started out proclaiming that they were just "protecting" the average citizen from the "offensive" counter-revolutionary speech of Christians as well, but once they had consolidated their power then scenes like this one from the video occurred: That Russian Orthodox Bishop was placed on trial and executed because he had committed the "crime" of selling all of his possessions and giving the money to the poor -- the Commies declared that he had committed "treason" because "poverty does not exist in the Soviet Union". Ordinary people who went to Church would be tracked by the NKVD and later the KGB and punished for openly displaying their belief in Jesus Christ, because much like the God-Haters at LP, they were offended if they had to see someone openly being a Christian or talking about it. Christians in the Soviet Union were told that they had "freedom of religion", they just had to keep it completely hidden or be punished because if a God- hater saw it they would be offended by it. The Soviets saw restrictions on the public practice of Christianity as completely reasonable, much like the God-hater contingent at LP felt about posting Christian viewpoints on the forums there.
Anybody can read that thread, and it proves you're still hyping the issue. No, I'm not; In fact I'm not the one who dragged this three month-old thread out of mothballs. And let's not belabor the truth of the matter, ok? The record is indeed there for all to see. And so are your own words. I stand by my comment. Your Stalinist remark is sheer bull, and it makes you sound like a fool. You're entitled to your opinion, but not the facts.
+1 Christians in the Soviet Union were told that they had "freedom of religion", they just had to keep it completely hidden or be punished because if a God- hater saw it they would be offended by it. The Soviets saw restrictions on the public practice of Christianity as completely reasonable, much like the God-hater contingent at LP felt about posting Christian viewpoints on the forums there. Your historical and recent observations cannot be refuted. Unless certain libertrian-types who talk the talk but don't walk the walk find history erroneous.
Yeah, those that style themselves as "libertarian" but support censorship of religion are especially hypocritical. The atheists continually bleat that they fear a "theocracy" if American Christians are allowed to participate in the public square, but history shows us that there was never any regime more completely evil and oppressive than the one that occurred when the atheists seized power.
Thank you. EXACTLY my point. The atheists continually bleat that they fear a "theocracy" if American Christians are allowed to participate in the public square, but history shows us that there was never any regime more completely evil and oppressive than the one that occurred when the atheists seized power. So well articulated a "true-dat," that it still blows my mind that the same atheists ignore history, yet perpetuate this so-called "theocracy" myth. That it is ever taken seriously by any "intellectual honest/critical thinkers" is beyond me.
They had their own little "Praise the Lord" echo chamber going where nary a contrary word was heard,and they liked it that way. Now they are going to start playing "The Persecuted Victim" again.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yeah,days jist to mucha dat freedum stuff goin round,huh? We'uns doan needs nunya dat stinkin feedum stuff,dowe? Who doze peeppills think dey iz anyhow,'murikans?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Only because it is. It's called having a "choice". Nobody is forcing you to NOT be religious,but you clearly want to force your religious viewpoints on everyone else.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Your whole post is a crock of crap,although I don't have the slightest doubt you believe it because it is what you have been told since you were a child. Nobody was punished for going to church. In FACT,the priesthood was a KGB career field. After all,who better to keep a eye on the people than the man that hears their confessions? Stalin understood this well because he went to school to become a priest. The fact that it is rare to find a Russian that doesn't claim to be of the Russian Orthodox faith today is proof that religion wasn't suppressed on the level you claim. The communists treated religion like they did everything else. They were for it as long as they controlled it,and opposed to it if they thought some foreigners were controlling it. Their whole focus was on controlling power over everyone and everything. I first went to Russia as a tourist the year the Soviet Union collapsed,and I grew up believing the same crap you do. I was very surprised to see all the old churches being restored and at never personally meeting a Russian that didn't claim to believe in God. I'm sure they exist,I just didn't meet any.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Your historical and recent observations cannot be refuted. Say WHAT?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Only because it is. ---- sneakypete These clowns refuse to admit that: -- "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion.
Define what you mean by "public square."
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yeah, the Soviets believed that you had a "choice" as well. They were really offended by people forcing their religious beliefs one everyone else. I mean, look at those insensitive prisoners toward the end of the video, most of them are reciting the Lord's Prayer in public, where everyone is forced to hear it! Obviously the ethical atheist jackboots felt that this violation of their freedom from religion must be dealt with!
I wish someone would bitch-slap Congress and remind them that applies to Muslims,too. Even Muslims with money. Maybe even ESPECIALLY Muslims with money.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no ..... So it couldn't be freedom from state religion. Maybe Federal religion. So if the state constitution didn't prohibit why couldn't you have a state religion? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just saying words have meanings.
I don't know who you think claimed that to be true,but it sure wasn't ME. The only Christian religion that was state-approved in the Soviet Union was the Russian Orthodox Church. Of course there were also Jews and Muslims in the USSR,but I have no idea how the various sects were treated,or if one sect from each was given preference. They were really offended by people forcing their religious beliefs one everyone else. I mean, look at those insensitive prisoners toward the end of the video, most of them are reciting the Lord's Prayer in public, where everyone is forced to hear it! You are using a freaking MOVIE as "proof"? Tell me,do you think farm animals carry on conversations,and that rabbits are smarter than hunters? Obviously the ethical atheist jackboots felt that this violation of their freedom from religion must be dealt with! When have you ever seen ME describe atheists as "ethical"? Like Christians,some are,and some aren't.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Stalin understood this well because he went to school to become a priest. The fact that it is rare to find a Russian that doesn't claim to be of the Russian Orthodox faith today is proof that religion wasn't suppressed on the level you claim. The communists treated religion like they did everything else. They were for it as long as they controlled it,and opposed to it if they thought some foreigners were controlling it. Their whole focus was on controlling power over everyone and everything. I first went to Russia as a tourist the year the Soviet Union collapsed,and I grew up believing the same crap you do. I was very surprised to see all the old churches being restored and at never personally meeting a Russian that didn't claim to believe in God. I'm sure they exist,I just didn't meet any. The documentation for people being punished for going to Church is enormous. One Russian Orthodox priest was literally CRUCIFIED on the doors to his Church by the Atheist Soviets. Literally millions of Christians were killed because of their public confession of Jesus Christ. And yes, the majority of Russians were and are Christian. They were being persecuted by an Atheist minority. That's what happens when you let people with an Atheist world-view seize power, they have no moral code. And you confess that you saw Churches being RESTORED. Who was it that had torn them down in the first place? And of course today most Russians are indeed openly Christian. They KNOW that only God could have overthrown the most evil empire in the history of mankind.
And we all know documents don't lie,right? One Russian Orthodox priest was literally CRUCIFIED on the doors to his Church by the Atheist Soviets. I have never tried to deny that some priests weren't murdered by the Soviets,and their churches weren't shut down. Stalin had this done to some of the priests that wouldn't play the role of informer on their congregation. Others were sent off to the labor camps and worked/starved to death. The ones that did play along kept their churches and were kept fat and happy. Or maybe you think that Stalin didn't know about the Patriarch in Moscow? And you confess that you saw Churches being RESTORED. Who was it that had torn them down in the first place? "CONFESS"? What religious crime am I being suspected of being guilty? SOME churches doesn't equal ALL churches,which was your original claim. They KNOW that only God could have overthrown the most evil empire in the history of mankind. Uh,huh. Odd how they/you never seem to question how a all-powerful and all-seeing God let the evil empire come into existence to start with,isn't it? Maybe you think Stalin had him fooled because he went to Divinity School?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion. There were some states that still had established state sponsored religions, but they gradually faded away. By the time Utah tried to enter the union, they were rejected because of their state religion. Indeed they do, and the no establishment of religion clause was generally accepted to apply to the States before the civil war. You'd think by now we wouldn't have to argue about it anymore....
"And we all know documents don't lie,right? " One of the videos I posted had literal historical footage of Russian Orthodox Christian Churches being destroyed by atheist Soviet thugs. I guess our own eyes are lying to us as well. The Soviets used the same debate strategy, a Potempkin village would be set up to convince gullible socialist fellow travelers from the West that the USSR was a worker's paradise. "I have never tried to deny that some priests weren't murdered by the Soviets,and their churches weren't shut down. Stalin had this done to some of the priests that wouldn't play the role of informer on their congregation. Others were sent off to the labor camps and worked/starved to death. The ones that did play along kept their churches and were kept fat and happy." The so-called "Living Church" was a very short-lived and failed attempt to take control over the Russian Orthodox Church by the Soviets. Hardly anyone went to it because they could tell it was a fake, non-Christian Church. They knew that the real Church was the real thing because so many martyrs endured gruesome torture and death and never renounced Jesus Christ. "Or maybe you think that Stalin didn't know about the Patriarch in Moscow?" Many Russian Orthodox Patriarchs and Bishops died as martyrs. St. Tykhon, pray for us! ""CONFESS"? What religious crime am I being suspected of being guilty? SOME churches doesn't equal ALL churches,which was your original claim. " You tried to claim that the atheist Soviets did not destroy Churches, but in the very same post remarked that when you visited Russia when the USSR fell, that you saw Churches being RESTORED. LOL, they would not have had to re-build Churches if they had not been demolished by the atheists in the first place. And I never claimed that ALL Churches had been destroyed, Stalin liked to do things in an unpredictable fashion, he found that it created far more terror that way. His officials would actually occasionally have a loyal Communist killed along with the Christians -- people would be terrified that if even an apparently obedient lackey would die for some slight perceived wrong, that they could be killed at any moment. "Uh,huh. Odd how they/you never seem to question how a all-powerful and all- seeing God let the evil empire come into existence to start with,isn't it? Maybe you think Stalin had him fooled because he went to Divinity School?" Stalin renounced Jesus Christ and became an atheist, that's what took him down the road to being such an evil monster. And many Russian Orthodox Saints prophesied of the coming persecution years before the atheists seized power in Russia. God allowed for evil people to prevail for a short time, he gives us free will. But ultimately He delivered the Russian people from their godless tyranny.
LOL TC never knew you were an old thread kindler:)
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Good to "see" ya.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
So Soviets were demolishing the church buildings because the priests there did not want to be informers? How did you learn about history of the Russian Church? From TV? From a tourist trip? Or from atheist friends from Russia? From a neocon "history" book? Or from all the above?
The left can't be constrained by actual language or original intent. They have a "living Constitution" that means whatever they want it to.
True enough. Look how popular I've made these two threads about me and tpaine. I knew of them before but tried always to stay out of the cross-forum flame wars. So I just never posted on it before.
There were a couple of other words he used to use incessantly.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Must be trying to manipulate Stone and Devil into seeing their point of view good luck with that. {chuckle} From the looks of it S&D seem to be ignoring them.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You always was a popular guy you just never knew it, you can always tell how much you're liked by how much they ridicule you. :)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
That seems to be a common occurrence no matter where you go, people claim they want to have free speech for everybody even when then don't really want to hear you point of view.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Uh-huh. So that's what Goldi was trying to do. So just how many news threads completely unrelated to religion should Goldi have allowed to be hijacked into theology before she wouldn't get accused of conducting her own Katyn massacre of helpless LP users living under her jackbooted Soviet regime? She's dead now. And no one got sent to a gulag. Some petty people did storm out acting like Goldi had tried to nail them to a cross and posted a lot of hurtful drivel about her, mostly here on LF. And I think you all are ashamed now (or should be) for how unkind you were to a sick woman who occasionally had a little outburst on some minor issue on a forum she spent a lot of money to run so people could post freely. Don't let your guilty conscience deceive you. Some of you mistreated Goldi at least as much as you claim she mistreated you. Don't expect anyone to seriously debate your nonsensical idea of LP as a Soviet gulag. It's ridiculous. What's next, doubling down to compare Goldi to the commandant of Auschwitz? My opinion is some of this LP dreck should be cleaned up and this forum should make a new start. Same applies for some of the attack threads on 4um. Or personal attack threads on me or tpaine. For that matter, using the articles sidebar as a text message service makes LF look a little unhinged. And those Boris threads that are a single-post quote from FR or LP? Good grief, do I even need to say it? How valuable is that stuff to keep around and how much does it make LF look like a nest of kooks to people who might wander in here and be interested in joining? Our sidebar and headlines are very important to LF's reputation and ability to attract and keep new users. It's that simple.
And, just to hammer my point home, let's look at a DDG search for tpaine and LF. DDG: tpaine libertysflame You guys think anyone wants to sign up for a forum where it is clear that your online identity can be attacked at length and have the record of that attack persist for years or decades due to these search engines being allowed (by Stone) to run wild here? It was one thing to have attack threads over at LP or at 4um but at least both were dark-web. LF doesn't just have its legs spread, it's a DVDA extravaganza for any search engine to index.
More nonsense. ONE large RO church in Moscow was demolished. That's it. And rebuilding it became one of the first things life-long commie Yeltsin ordered after the Soviet Union collapsed. BTW,they did a beautiful job of recreating it,too. How did you learn about history of the Russian Church? Not from a RO cult leader,like you did,comrade.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
From the Thumpers POV,ALL of them. These people,much like the Muslims,are on a Religious Crusade,and anybody and anything that gets in their way is to be considered a speed bump that needs to get smoothed out. It ain't about fair,it's about dominating by force because they can never hope to dominate using reason.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sometimes you just have to wonder if it is all a massive "False Flag" operation with cynical non-believers pulling the strings behind the scenes,don't you? Who else really has to gain from religious non-globalists and non-religious globalists fighting each other instead of joining forces to the benefit of both as well as the country?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
LOL. I'll just keep telling myself how popular I am. Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and, doggone it, people like me.
Goldi was not a Soviet commissar and these complainers are not exactly martyrs on the march for the Church Militant and Triumphant. These are just chat sites. Expecting people to post on-topic on news threads and to post their theological debates on Religion category threads is not jackbootery run amok.
I see that the usual clique of Athiests have found their way here. Christ is still Lord and while non - believers can't stand too see His name, facts don't change. He is still in charge and will remain so for all eternity.
The magoo team - duo - trio * ... vain about your blinding - death spiral - trvial focus --- poking out eyes to make your jealous shrinking - dying world look bigger - better ! * stinkypete
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
And rebuilding it became one of the first things life-long commie Yeltsin ordered after the Soviet Union collapsed. BTW,they did a beautiful job of recreating it,too. How did you learn about history of the Russian Church? Not from a RO cult leader,like you did,comrade. If you think that the destruction of Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow was the only demolition of a Christian Church by the Soviets, you are really ignorant of history. Yes, people do focus on Christ the Saviour Cathedral, but they do so not because it was the only Christian Church blown up by the atheist Communists, but because of the miracles surrounding it. Stalin had it demolished and wanted to replace it with a "Palace of the Soviets" with a statue of Lenin on top of it. The earth itself refused to support this blasphemy, and their satanic tower was unable to stand. Christ the Saviour Cathedral has indeed been rebuilt, along with thousands of other Christian Churches. Christ is victorious, and the atheists have been relegated to the dustbin of history. It's too bad that you've been reduced to repeating Communist propaganda. You asked why God would permit the atheists to seize power in Russia, but in another statement admitted that almost every Russian that you met was openly a Christian. God gave them free will, and the Russian people have now been able to see what life is like under atheism and what it is like when Jesus Christ is exalted. That is why most Russians are Christians today. And that it why haters of Christianity try to censor it, like the Soviets they think that they can silence the proclamation of the Gospel. They don't want a free marketplace of ideas, because if people are free to hear the Gospel, many will choose it. But what happened to Liberty Post after Christianity was censored there? May God have mercy on her soul, Goldi died alone and largely unnoticed. She tried to silence the proclamation of the Gospel, and now her website has fallen silent. God is not mocked. And other folks in the thread trying to state that she only wanted for things to be posted "under the proper tabs", that simply isn't true. During election cycles, she banned Libertarian posts. When Romney was the nominee, she also banned postings critical of Mormonism, even under the Religion tab! She did not support an open and free marketplace of ideas, she ran a neo-con echo-chamber. And in addition to hating Libertarians, the neo-cons hate "social conservatives" which is their Newspeak for Christians.
And likewise, my friend. May God bless you abundantly in this new year.
Indeed so, well said and Amen.
Just the thought of the three of you Nazis running liberty post turned my stomach !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Hi Don.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Stalin tried to rip the heart out of the RO church with that one. Stalin and the USSR are both dust. And the church is looking nicer than ever, a real gem.
I can see I was wasting my time inviting Don (2006) and Gary (2009). Both "senior" to me; my first post was 2010-01-13. Don must be one of the most senior members still here at LF. Stone is member #9, Don is #35. Don first posted on thread #144.
Uh, no. Apparently YOU and the usual Atheists whiner-suspects are... (Boo-hoo...the Christians are the same as Muzzies!!!....They are Crusaders and persecute the rest of us!!!....just like Muslims!!!......blah, blah, blah...sob...sniffle!!!") How utterly dopey you are. GET. BENT. CRYBABY. ATHEIST.
Who doze peeppills think dey iz anyhow,'murikans? And now you're mentally challeged...Fall off your horsey...OR, the duty nurses have replaced your baby formula with moonshine. Get a grip, pal.
You mean as in "coercion"?? Threat? Tell the class HOW and WHO has coerced you into Christian conversion? Has it been by the sword? Gun to your head? By the law? Just HOW?!? NAMES. Thanks...
Nope. You just got schooled.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion. Yes, the MOSTLY Christian Founders are THE ones who specified that no STATE religion be enforced or coerced upon the citizenry as a matter of Constitutionality. And that's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION," Einstein, in the context of freely worshipping as one pleases. Geez -- have you militant Atheists sufficient Kleenexes on this thread??
DUH.
You clearly misunderstood the intent of my post. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough? I even went so far as to create a "Religious Issues" ping list here and on LP so they would have a place to go to discuss religious issues with each other.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Technically you could have an argument. Just sayin' ;-)
Un,huh. Get back with me once your meds kick in.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sneakypete doesn't appear to be to bright. He seems to think that the soviet union was a christian nation that was friendly to believers. He is just an old grouch. He has no life except being a grouch on the interweb.
Well done, Orthadoxa. Pete is schooled again. (don't take it personally, Petey. We all lose some.)
I don't even know if that would be possible given all the hand work done to create the original,but it is clearly a gem.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Stone would you kindly create an atheist category so sneakypete doesn't clutter up the site with his militant atheism on every thread?
I don't know about Don,but Gary has been dealing with some serious health issues the last few years. I will leave it to him to state what they are in public if he wants. Any of you that truly believe in the power of prayer,send a few up in Gary's name.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Pete is a bright man. But he has he blind spots. THIS is one of them. Most historically saavy people know fully well the perscution of Christians and Orthodox in the Soviet Union. As suggested, THIS is exactly what happens politically in a purely Atheist political vacuum. You see, Atheism IS a "religion."
Historically you are. Deal with it. GET. BENT. CRYBABY. ATHEIST. ESAD,fascist!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
OUCH!
Historically you are. Deal with it. No sane person will concur with you. Moreover, can you tell the class just which Christians have coerced and forced you to convert?? And was it by the sword or gun? Were you tortured? Tick...tick...tick...
ROTFLOL, you win the internets for today, Excaliber! I doubt that Pete would enjoy being relegated to an atheist ghetto, and I certainly wouldn't want that. I enjoy talking to him.
You mean as in "coercion"?? Threat? Yes. In real life you do it by trying to get laws changed so you can use the force of government to enforce your views. Here on the internet,you go after bannings and Viking Kitty attacks.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You're not making ANY sense. Don't get involved in these issues if you can't back up your dopey charges with lies. You'll lose every time. BASE ON FACTS. And the Truth.
Were you around 15 years ago on the FR when A + bert was there ! He crashed in ... just like OWK did --- on the freedumbkkkforum !
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Are those laws about converting you to Christianity? Any coercion or threats involved? Yes or No?
Thank you for finally admitting that in America religions can NOT have the government enforce their religious viewpoints on the citizens. Freedom OF religion is the same thing as Freedom FROM religion. It all depends on your point of view. YOUR POV states that people shouldn't be allowed to be non-believers.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
DUH. Indeed. If you can't,just admit it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
ROFLMAO!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Everybody that isn't a member of a religious cult is a atheist,right,Bubba?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Most people with a open mind about history know full well that Christians and people of all religions other than communism were persecuted,but we also know the persecution was greatly exaggerated by the Christian leadership in the west as a tool to increase their power and fund-raising. I grew up being told and believing that the communists had banned Christianity in the USSR,and ALL the churches were destroyed and all the true believers were sent off to labor camps or executed. 10 percent truth,and 90 percent propaganda/lies.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Nobody forces me to do anything. That's not saying none have tried.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
"Petty people"? Unlike YOU (a supposed "Christian") some of us defended the faith and were repulsed that we were maligned as "Jesus fanatics." So, who is principled? You or those you call, "petty people"? And I think you all are ashamed now (or should be) for how unkind you were to a sick woman who occasionally had a little outburst on some minor issue on a forum she spent a lot of money to run so people could post freely. YOU should be shamed for pathetically pulling out this thread, trying to shame Christians for defending their faith, and standing on principle. It is absolutely shameful to also pull out the "sick woman" card, when NO one knew if or whther Goldi was "sick." Talk about petty? Look into a mirror. You've just embarrassed yourself. You're LF's shit-stirring Al Sharpton as far as I'm concerned.
Atheism is nothing but a dogmatic religion by another name. They do more damn preaching than most ministers/priests/rabbis,etc,etc,etc. They are the mirror image of the fundie Bible Thumper that insists that everyone else MUST agree with their views and live according to them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Thank you. Now will you withdraw your prior dopey claims that Christian = Muslims?
I don't lie and you know it. Accusing me of lying is just proof of how emotional and desperate you are on this issue.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
There was NO reason to exaggerate ANY thing regarding Soviet-Stalinist Russian. It was what it was.
Are those laws about converting you to Christianity? No,they are about forcing me at gunpoint to live according to your Christian version of Sharia Law. Any coercion or threats involved? Yes or No? Yes. Starting with fines and evolving to time in prison.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ok. Call it "GRAND DELUSIONS." Happy now? Man, you just can NOT ever let this go. I feel bad for you because someone, some way long ago you've been mess with. And it's scarred you apparently for life. Based on these few experiences, ALL Chrisrians are "Taliban." Or Muzzie (whatever is worst.) It's ridiculous.
Then whomever did so committed a criminal act (however, they did NOT act upon ANY Biblical/Christian principles -- know THAT.) Did you report it to the proper authorities at the time?
I didn't say that Christians are the same as Muslims. The faiths are different,and so are the cultures. What I wrote is that you both follow the same strategy of using the force of law to force others to live by your views of morality.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Then why did you and why do you continue to do so?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Practicing lines for your own Hitler spoof? LOL
Pluralism vs PC Dieversity ! You've made your choice ! pcpete !
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Gee, what a surpise. As at LP, you've also annointed yourself Fuehrer-Mod of LF? But...I thought we already had a mod? AND owner?
These are just chat sites. Yeah, we get it. YOU are the Grand Poobah and Poitus Pilate of Penguinite Forums, Goldi was not Stalinist, and "Jesus Fanatics" are "petty people." Geez, you're doing a LOT of whining and crying here. It's almost as though you harbor some VERY ill, hard feelings. Do you need your boo-boo kissed? If it makes you feel any better create a thread on ME. Yes, afterall LP and LF are JUST "chatrooms." So stop your belly-aching.
Yup. Amen on all that.
ALMOST good enough, USED to be smart enough, and..well...about being liked. Meh.
The internet will be a better place when Luberator signs off for good.
Back in the 1950's there was a Blue Law prohibiting retail sales on Sunday, in Ohio. It made weekend shopping tough.
LF has an entire Religion category. Much more prominent than a pinglist. I just wish you'd stop being so militant, pete! : )
Biffy, don't make me pull out the "Hot-Dog" thread.
Extended well into the 1960s. Well did it do? Forced workers and familiies to rest and perhaps spend Sunday together. AND fulfill the "rest on the seventh day" as suggested by the Bible. I seemed to recall some stores being open until the afternoon on Sunday.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, --- refers to freedom from STATE religion, and freedom OF religion. Thank you for conceding that point. The free exercise clause applies, and is quoted just above. Read much? Geez, is that all you religious fundamentalists can do is make silly slurs? I'm agnostic and barely smart enough to realize I don't know it all.
But you shouldn't be ashamed for a petty backstabbing cross-forum attack thread? Because you had nothing better to talk about yourself here at LF? Then there were the endless Goldi-vomit-vomit-vomit-we're-in-Auschwitz threads. All because you weren't allowed to hijack every thread at LP to shove religion at Goldi or Marguerite or meguro or whoever? You had a Religion category at LP too. Know what, it didn't get much use. So that was why those posters had to come out of their own Religion category so they could proselytize their way across the entire forum. Same kind of behavior you see from Truthers who turn everything into another conspiracy, another bit of Truth, and an excuse to make sly references to the Matrix as though only they grasp the plot (which has been around since the Fifties). About as welcome as Mormons and JWs knocking on your front door.
It all still doesn't explain how you'd concluded that Christianity, aka "religious fanaticism took too much control." Or the meme of how Goldie supposedly safeguarded LP from it as though it were an unchecked cancer. Christians did NOT monopolize or control the forum. Fact is, Free Speech was blunted. You endorsed it. And NO, there never was any such Christian "fanaticism" at LP. EVER.
Lol, you're now officially insane. I'd LOVE for you to back up that scurrilous charge. Backstabbing? Try "calling out." Fine, then defend your bullshit. Stop your endless moderating and straddling the fence of principle. When "fanatical Christians" were maligned and slandered, WHERE WERE YOU to defend the faith AND charge? (no where.) Invoking "Trutherism" wins you no debate either. It's the same as calling someone a "homophobe," racist," "anti-semetic", "Islamophobe," etc. Designed purely to shut down debate without examining all the facts. I'm not going to belabor that issue with you. If you want to believe Official Fairy Tales, who am I to tell you otherwise?
I thought there was little point in bothering to debate people whose chronic threadjacking habits were so undeniable. I never liked threadjacking. In the old days on Usenet (late 80's), we had mods who were quite strict about it.
Pete --- No,they are about forcing me at gunpoint to live according to your Christian version of Sharia Law. Lib --- Any coercion or threats involved? --- Yes or No Pete -- Yes. Starting with fines and evolving to time in prison. Lib -- And whomever did so committed a criminal act (however, they did NOT act upon ANY Biblical/Christian principles -- know THAT.) Did you report it to the proper authorities at the time? Here we have it sports fans, a clear example of liberators circular argument ploy. The argument is about religious 'shiria' style law, and liberators asserts that whoever violated that questionable 'law', committed a criminal act.. Round we go ....
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion, and freedom OF religion. Thank you for conceding that point. The free exercise clause applies, and is quoted just above. Read much? So you concede both of my points above, and now want to divert back to one of my comments at LP? I explained that comment on the thread you cited. Get off the circular argument bit. Because she made it so. You're entitled to your opinions. They are not facts.
Hey, you are trying to force your views. But you are failing ha ha. Keep on trying though ;)
Frankly I did not see anyone "storm out." Those that did leave had good cause to do so. The Name of Jesus Christ was blasphemed on the "vomit" thread. Christ's followers were "bagged and tagged" as extremists. So those that left had a good cause to do so and every right to defend their faith and beliefs. Goldi later clarified her position but never apologized. It was her site so people can come and go. She's gone now so let's all stop stepping on her grave. We should give it up now. All is in God's Hands now. Goldi is no longer with us to opine one way or the other.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
She was one of those people who never apologized for anything. I think she was sad over her outburst and felt remorse. Some people just don't apologize at all. My dad was like that.
What happened to the Mad Dog pic?
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Can't buy what you need Mon-Sat?:) Regardless of faith, everyone needs a day off. Chick Fil A is closed on Sunday. What's the issue with giving folks off work at least one day a week?
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
And the holidays, both religious and secular.
How many workers in the USA today don't get at least one day a week off?
Motorcycle shops used to be closed on Monday. Race on Sunday, pick up the pieces and recover on Monday. There's nothing wrong with a day off. Attempts to legislate morality are frequently based on religion. Alcohol, drugs, prostitution and others, government should just butt out of. The D&R party is giving religion a bad name. Being a Christian doesn't have to be painful, IMO.
Y'all throw out that fundamentalist moniker quite often. When in fact it is nothing like what it means. FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). At the beginning of the 20th century those who held to the above were called "fundamentalists." I believe all of the above! Guilty as charged! So did our nation's founders! The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. - John Adams The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. - John Adams The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. - John Adams “The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States … a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.” - United States Congress 1782 - It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. - Patrick Henry - The Scriptures tell us righteousness exalteth a Nation.” - Abigail Adams "The only foundation for . . . a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” - Benjamin Rush - See more at: http://www.usachristianministries.com/us-history- quotes-about- god-and-the-bible/#.dpuf The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Do you know what a false dichotomy is ! your dna is tuned liberal ! You're spawning up - down a liberal dump - sewer !
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Serious question. You don't see Christianity as a worldview? In which people live by a certain morality and apply such to politics, culture and society? What I posed above is close to what Gary posed to Goldi about 3 years ago. She conceded he was correct. On the effort to proselytize? I have to say it is not proselytizing to proclaim one's Christian worldview on the evils of abortion, the Alinsky tactics of the homosexual lobby and the general eroding of the family base in America. Pointing out America is in the crapper due to secularism and a rejection our Judeo Christian founding is not proselytizing. It is pointing out the giant wart on the tip of the nose everyone pretends to not see. Let the children…be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education. - Benjamin Rush -
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
I retired it. With new people showing up I thought it might be off-putting!
What "sharia" type laws are Christians pushing on fellow Americans? Reading the threads it seems that was the question posed. I will add the silent rule of freedom of speech. You can choose not to listen or read what others post. I do it a lot myself. I tend to use the Proverbs 26:4-5 principle. Holiness to the Lord (Exodus 28:26, 30:30, Isaiah 23:18, Zechariah 14:20) - Washington Monument Search the Scriptures (John 5:39) - Washington Monument The memory of the just is blessed (Proverbs 10:7) - Washington Monument “We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.” - James Madison The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Hi A Pole.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Some people just don't apologize at all. My dad was like that. I sensed that as well with her last two responses to me. So I let it go. In retrospect we now know she may not have been well at the time of the postings in question. That's why we should all let it go. Employ the Christian principal of forgiveness even when one does not seek it or refuses it. Sally gave us a posting home. She took most in as strays like her cat. Let's put this to rest.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Stupid commercialism. Stores now open on Thanksgiving!
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
See the post I responded to. It seems some are inconvenienced with shops closed on Sunday.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
No it wasn't painful for a very long time in the US. Why? Because the majority of folks were Christian, or practicing Christians, or professing Christians or didn't care about being Christian but appreciated all those hard working Christians who kept their property tidy and their businesses fully employed. This comes to mind: "The rights essential to happiness. . . . We claim them from a higher source — from the King of kings and Lord of all the earth.” - John Dickinson
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
If that were my only day off indeed it would. Remember when stores and gas stations closed at 5:00 PM? When only some manufacturing shift workers, medical and safety employees worked nights? The entire economy has changed.
I am not answering any posts to me on this thread between the last one I was pinged to this one. Any of you who want to do a little "we dun shoed dat heathen!" victory dance,go ahead. Frankly I don't give a damn and I have better things to do with my time that spend it trying to reason with people incapable of operating on reason. BTW red,none of this was directed towards you as an individual. It was a blanket statement of non-interest.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Well that was a much needed heart deep laugh:) Whew. Eyes still tearing from that:) LOL
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
My father in law was a very early riser for his work. Up at 2:30am, cup of Joe and a bagel out the door by 3am. He had to drive 45 min to work. At one time if he did not fill his car the evening before he would be up the creek. So yeah he loved it when a few convenience gas stations opened nearby in his rural town.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Round we go .... Pete NEVER divulged details of his "coercion" experience. No date. No person. No context. NOTHING. And suddenly it's presumed to be an exercise in Christian "sharia"?? You people are hysterically desperate. And what an intellectual DIS-honest job of cobbling at least TWO posts, then presenting it as ONE -- without any context. But hey -- just as long as you inserted the word, "shiria," eh? Since you mentioned "circular" (your signature posting style), for clarity -- let's return to THE scene of the crime: (Tpaine):"We've all seen what happened at FR when religious fanaticism took too much control. Goldie doesn't want it to happen here. Comprende?" Thanks, Mr. Constitution. You atheist stalwart of free speech and libertarianism. OH WAIT.
Answers? ANYONE??
LOL. Is he one of those activists that insist that Christmas be called "Winter Holiday" and similar silliness?
Yup. EXACTLY. And now public Christmas Tree lightings are referred to as "Festival of Lights." All those pesky "shiria"-endorsing Christmas creches MUST be bull-dozed as well.
Goldi is no longer with us to opine one way or the other. Sage advice.
So you'd be fine with some aggressive JWs and Mormons and Muslims and Buddhists to come to your news forum to enjoy their own freedom of speech and to proclaim their worldview too? Are you sure you favor that if you are in a minority? How much Mormon preaching and theology do you want to have on general news threads of all types? I don't favor it at all on news threads. Let news be news and religion be religion. There isn't that much crossover between the two in news stories. Look down the list of Drudge's stories. They are some type of news (world, national, health/medicine, legal, policing, etc.) or religion. The only real issue with Goldi was that she didn't want every news thread she (and the rest of us) clicked to go a couple of posts and turn into a 20-page theological debate. BTW, I see jwpegler is spending money to produce his site from a big media company. He's doing his best to copy some familiar elements from these P sites (menus, categories). A lot of slick Bootstrap.js and CSS to make it run well on tablets and cellphones and it appears ready to run on touch screen devices. He provides an article title and photo and a link to the source website and he provides a comments thread (with no news article on it). Technically proficient but still looks kinda sterile and lame. I'm not sure what direction he will take with it. It has to be costing him even if they are just adapting a generic template design they offer to other customers. The company's site is surprisingly barren overall. I may be overestimating them. There's little doubt his designer has been visiting the P forums, LP or LF most likely.
Ok Pete see you on another thread.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
WARNING: Some foul language. -2- Are you sure you favor that if you are in a minority? How much Mormon preaching and theology do you want to have on general news threads of all types? -3- I don't favor it at all on news threads. Let news be news and religion be religion. There isn't that much crossover between the two in news stories. Look down the list of Drudge's stories. They are some type of news (world, national, health/medicine, legal, policing, etc.) or religion. -4- The only real issue with Goldi was that she didn't want every news thread she (and the rest of us) clicked to go a couple of posts and turn into a 20-page theological debate. -1- This isn't my forum, but I personally have no problem with civil free speech. I don't mind hearing the views of different faiths, I often enjoy the discussion. -2- The internet is a really big place. If I ever felt uncomfortable somewhere, then I would find another place. After all, that's why I came here in the first place -- to be at a site where posting about Christianity was OK. -3- For some people, religion affects every part of their life. If their posts are really that offensive to you, then why not just bozo them and not worry about it? -4- That wasn't happening there and hasn't been happening here. IMHO, people who are offended by the occasional mention of Christian beliefs are really being quite hypersensitive. Like I said, many of us came here specifically to have the freedom to talk about religious stuff -- so why should it be changed now?
Here we have it sports fans, a clear example of liberators circular argument ploy. The argument is about religious 'shiria' style law, and liberators asserts that whoever violated that questionable 'law', committed a criminal act.. Good grief red, you've probably been on these sites as long as I, and you should know by now the hot button issues. Yep, and its been answered ad nauseam.
Did you think of that flick because I happened to use the phrase "DVDA extravaganza" earlier today? LOL.
I have no problem with the above. It happens often over at TOS and an opportunity to shine a bright light on their belief system. One lady thanked a thread contribution on JWs as she said she now had an answer for them when they come to the door. Mormons are too easy. You just have to quote the BOM and watch them deny such quotes as real. I'd say on a site like this one, they would freely leave after having a bright light shine on their actual doctrines and not the slick snake oil presentations they do door to door. So yes, they can come but like all of us they should expect to suit up properly for a contact sport. Also I do believe the head to head religion topics stay on the religion tab. TOS does that too and a good idea. However there will be "spillage" when issues of morality and direction of our country come up. Christianity is a worldview thanks to our founders. They were not shy about that at all. They made sure no one denomination ruled over our country as in most European nations. However the founders give ample evidence this nation was not to be Godless or without Judeo Christian ideals. Most actually saw the propagation of liberty through Christian faith. I don't favor it at all on news threads. Let news be news and religion be religion. There isn't that much crossover between the two in news stories. Look down the list of Drudge's stories. They are some type of news (world, national, health/medicine, legal, policing, etc.) or religion. Of course. If you have a faith or religion news article it goes in the proper folder here. When I post faith pieces here it goes in religion or bible study. Stone has both here. If an article about abortion comes up under American politics, then I will express such an issue based on my Evangelical Christian worldview. People can listen or converse with me, their choice. If someone asks why I believe what I do, I will point them to scriptures as the Bible influences how I vote. If someone wants to be a bumkis after I post such and carry on with an atheist screed or inaccurate comments about Christ and Christians I will respond. If someone calls me or others a homophobe for taking a conservative Biblical stance on marriage...I am going to respond no matter the posting category. If someone posts that The USA was founded by deist secularism, I will respond. Back in 2011 (thereabouts) Sally after a warning about posting categories clearly stated she understood that regular news articles would evoke religious discussions as sometimes you cannot separate the issues. Lastly, I pinged a few others to get opinions and to not gang up.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
You miss the point entirely. At LP, every thread was fair game for threadjacking into theology. Certainly, there were many off-topic postings on various topics but changing a thread into a religious discussion was by far the most common one. That was what annoyed Goldi, that is what it was all about. And, I have to say, the martyr routine wears a little thin after a while. It is not the second coming of Stalin for any website to expect users to post religious posts in, yes, the Religion category.
That is true. But no more than about 10% of the time. The vast majority of stories do easily separate into proper categories. The same is true of sports. At least 90% of sports stories belong in a sports section, maybe 95% or more. But an NFL quarterback running a dogfighting ring will be reported as regular news. A player thumping his wife around an elevator will be regular news. And so on. A properly moderated site puts stories in their proper categories and keeps threads on-topic. This is why people are willing to pay TOS to do this kind of forum moderation.
And, I have to say, the martyr routine wears a little thin after a while. It is not the second coming of Stalin for any website to expect users to post religious posts in, yes, the Religion category. Again, IMHO you are exaggerating. You accuse us of the "martyr routine" and yet you are acting like threads were being disrupted by a small amount of religious commentary. Have you looked around this site and not comprehended that Stone is cool with Jesus Christ being mentioned? It's like someone moving to Salt Lake City and freaking out that there are lots of Mormons around. I and pretty much everyone else that I see have been posting in the proper categories. If it "makes you want to vomit" when a subject just happens to be both political and religious, then I would advise you to avoid all news stories which might contain such subjects -- which will be a pretty big list. Or just bozo people who make commentary that you dislike. Or find an atheist forum. Or make a forum of your own where you can discriminate against Christians to your hearts content. And if you honestly believe that people pay money to JimRob because of the awesome moderating at TOS, then LOL, I'll just have to agree to disagree. I think that it's more that some folks are dumb enough to think that a chat site using 90's technology needs mega-bucks to stay in operation. I came here because this site lets Christians speak freely, so again -- why do you feel that it should be changed from that? That's what really boggles my mind.
And Christmas.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
RELIGION! Religion, religion, religion! RELIGION! Do you hear me? I said RELIGION! There, I've come and thrown my religion in your face on this thread. My work here is done. Carry on.
Horse racing! And then more horse racing. Even though Jan/Feb are the slow months, we're gearing up for the Derby Trail and all those big money stakes leading up to it. www.paceadvantage.com/forum/index.php? There, I've thrown horse racing in your faces. It's good we have varied interests.
Religion, religion, religion! RELIGION! Do you hear me? I said RELIGION! There, I've come and thrown my religion in your face on this thread. My work here is done. Carry on. Now see what you've done? The cries of the God-haters has had such a chilling effect that poor Vicomte may have just made his shortest religious post ever. For shame. BTW, Religion! Jesus Christ! Nicene Creed! Apostolic Succession! Prophecy! Some of these folks would act like I just cussed at them, lol.
Small amounts? Apparently you never read many of them. There was far far less religion on LP's Religion threads than there was on the hard news threads. And I am not exaggerating.
Well, this is a personal attack thread on tpaine over religion. So it is a religion thread. In the sense of persecuting an elderly man for not being sufficiently interested in religion and expanding to include another elderly veteran, sneakypete, for not being into religion. Think it isn't? You're going along with the entire premise of this thread and its extremely hateful title. That title has a lot of the love of Christ in it, wouldn't you say? A fine witness of LF's Christian concern for tpaine? Maybe you should try to be a little more honest with yourself.
Hateful? On an internet chat forum? Say it isn't so! Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.
#2. To: Liberator (#1)
redleghunter
#3. To: out damned spot, redleghunter, LF (#2)
Yes, thankyou red! :)
"I would give worlds, if I had them, if The Age of Reason had never been published. O Lord, help! Stay with me! It is hell to be left alone."
"I die in perfect composure and resignation to the will of my Creator, God."
#4. To: out damned spot (#2)
"Mr. Constitution," you are a legend in your own mind.
#5. To: Liberator, tpaine (#0)
#6. To: TooConservative, tpaine (#5)
#7. To: Liberator (#6)
I've been tempted to create a thread, quoting that "Faux Christian" retread, F16Fighter.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state.
Paul Craig Roberts
They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
#8. To: out damned spot. tpaine (#2)
"Mr. Constitution," you are a legend in your own mind.
#9. To: Deckard (#7)
I suggest you bozo him. ;>)
#10. To: Liberator (#0)
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: hondo68 (#10)
Will the heretic be burned at the stake?
#12. To: TooConservative, and all you preaching fanatics, religous or not. (#5)
Liberator, --- Another lovely cross-forum thread you posted.
tpaine, I don't think you can compete with my own much more impressive thread found here.
#13. To: tpaine (#12)
I think we made her point, and the preaching over at LP was toned down a bit.
#14. To: TooConservative (#13)
#15. To: Liberator (#0)
#16. To: tpaine, TooConservative, all you preaching fanatics, religous or not, all you atheists or not (#12)
#17. To: Orthodoxa (#15)
(Edited)
Thankfully, we had this site to come to when LP started to head towards the Soviet-style "freedom from religion" censorship.
#18. To: Liberator (#16)
Mr. Constitution I and every person of faith or religion has a First Amendment Right to freely exercise our religion AND as with all Americans the freedom of speech.
Now if Goldi wants to limit those rights on her forum fine, but call it "Limited Libertypost" to accurately portray the site.
#19. To: Orthodoxa (#15)
Thankfully, we had this site to come to when LP started to head towards the Soviet-style "freedom from religion" censorship.
#20. To: tpaine (#18)
She didn't limit any rights. She asked the religious fundamentalists to lighten up, and by and large they did.
#21. To: TooConservative, Orthodoxa, CZ82 (#19)
Soviet? Seriously? : )
#22. To: Liberator (#20)
Though I'm loooong over the issue at hand, JESUS people/fanatics" were ordered to cram His mention. NOT "lighten up."
That subject thread as so often is the case these days involved crossover issues of both religion AND politics. It wasn't strictly a "Jesus-fanatic" thread.
As for your part, I stand by my words and claim, paine. You sounded more Stalinist than Constitutional:
#23. To: TooConservative (#19)
Soviet? Seriously?
#24. To: tpaine (#22)
(Edited)
She didn't limit any rights. She asked the religious fundamentalists to lighten up, and by and large they did...
#25. To: Orthodoxa, TooConservative (#23)
Off topic vulgarity and insults were tolerated and even encouraged, but people simply posting their religious views on a topic of the day were told to keep it hidden from view.
#26. To: Liberator (#25)
Your historical and recent observations cannot be refuted. Unless certain libertrian-types who talk the talk but don't walk the walk find history erroneous.
#27. To: Orthodoxa (#26)
Yeah, those that style themselves as "libertarian" but support censorship of religion are especially hypocritical.
#28. To: tpaine (#14)
Lots of drama here now, and the same old suspects from LP are scripting it. So far it's been mostly fun, but I think they're starting to ride AKA and the Devil a bit too much. Seems like every other post they're being pinged.
#29. To: Orthodoxa (#15)
(Edited)
Thankfully, we had this site to come to when LP started to head towards the Soviet-style "freedom from religion" censorship.
#30. To: Liberator (#17)
(Edited)
Certain strains of libertarians and atheists still believe that "freedom from religion " is a constitutional "right."
#31. To: Orthodoxa (#23)
#32. To: Liberator (#25)
Christians in the Soviet Union were told that they had "freedom of religion", they just had to keep it completely hidden or be punished because if a God- hater saw it they would be offended by it. The Soviets saw restrictions on the public practice of Christianity as completely reasonable, much like the God-hater contingent at LP felt about posting Christian viewpoints on the forums there.
#33. To: sneakypete, Y'ALL (#30)
Liberator (#17) ---- Certain strains of libertarians and atheists still believe that "freedom from religion " is a constitutional "right."
#34. To: Orthodoxa (#26)
The atheists continually bleat that they fear a "theocracy" if American Christians are allowed to participate in the public square,
#35. To: sneakypete (#30)
Only because it is. It's called having a "choice". Nobody is forcing you to NOT be religious,but you clearly want to force your religious viewpoints on everyone else.
#36. To: tpaine (#33)
(Edited)
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", -
#37. To: tpaine (#33)
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion.
#38. To: Orthodoxa (#35)
Yeah, the Soviets believed that you had a "choice" as well.
#39. To: sneakypete (#31)
Nobody was punished for going to church. In FACT,the priesthood was a KGB career field. After all,who better to keep a eye on the people than the man that hears their confessions?
#40. To: Orthodoxa (#39)
The documentation for people being punished for going to Church is enormous.
#41. To: A K A Stone (#37)
(Edited)
It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no ..... So it couldn't be freedom from state religion. Maybe Federal religion.
So if the state constitution didn't prohibit why couldn't you have a state religion? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just saying words have meanings.
#42. To: sneakypete (#40)
#43. To: TooConservative (#5)
#44. To: Orthodoxa (#42)
#45. To: sneakypete (#40)
I have never tried to deny that some priests weren't murdered by the Soviets,and their churches weren't shut down. Stalin had this done to some of the priests that wouldn't play the role of informer on their congregation.
#46. To: A K A Stone (#37)
It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no .....
#47. To: redleghunter (#43)
LOL TC never knew you were an old thread kindler:)
#48. To: Liberator (#9)
dishonorable
#49. To: tpaine (#14)
#50. To: TooConservative (#47)
#51. To: Orthodoxa (#23)
For a site to advertise itself as not censoring people for their beliefs, but then to censor people due to their religious beliefs or in some cases even political beliefs (she also regularly purged Libertarian posts during election seasons -- note: I'm not a Libertarian, I just recognize that when the censorship of them started that someday it would happen to me too, and indeed it did.)
#52. To: Orthodoxa, liberator, tpaine, redleghunter, Devil Anse, A K A Stone (#23)
Ordinary people who went to Church would be tracked by the NKVD and later the KGB and punished for openly displaying their belief in Jesus Christ, because much like the God-Haters at LP, they were offended if they had to see someone openly being a Christian or talking about it.
#53. To: Orthodoxa, liberator, tpaine, redleghunter, Devil Anse, A K A Stone (#52)
#54. To: A Pole (#45)
So Soviets were demolishing the church buildings because the priests there did not want to be informers?
#55. To: TooConservative (#52)
So just how many news threads completely unrelated to religion should Goldi have allowed to be hijacked into theology before she wouldn't get accused of conducting her own Katyn massacre of helpless LP users living under her jackbooted Soviet regime?
#56. To: TooConservative (#52)
My opinion is some of this LP dreck should be cleaned up and this forum should make a new start. Same applies for some of the attack threads on 4um. Or personal attack threads on me or tpaine. For that matter, using the articles sidebar as a text message service makes LF look a little unhinged. And those Boris threads that are a single-post quote from FR or LP? Good grief, do I even need to say it? How valuable is that stuff to keep around and how much does it make LF look like a nest of kooks to people who might wander in here and be interested in joining?
#57. To: CZ82 (#50)
You always was a popular guy you just never knew it, you can always tell how much you're liked by how much they ridicule you. :)
#58. To: sneakypete (#55)
From the Thumpers POV,ALL of them. These people,much like the Muslims,are on a Religious Crusade,and anybody and anything that gets in their way is to be considered a speed bump that needs to get smoothed out.
#59. To: Liberator (#0)
#60. To: TooConservative (#52)
(Edited)
#61. To: sneakypete (#54)
More nonsense. ONE large RO church in Moscow was demolished. That's it.
#62. To: redleghunter (#44)
Good to "see" ya.
#63. To: Don (#59)
I see that the usual clique of Athiests have found their way here. Christ is still Lord and while non - believers can't stand too see His name, facts don't change. He is still in charge and will remain so for all eternity.
#64. To: TooConservative, out damned spot (#58)
(Edited)
The magoo team - duo - trio *
#65. To: Don (#59)
#66. To: Orthodoxa (#61)
If you think that the destruction of Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow was the only demolition of a Christian Church by the Soviets, you are really ignorant of history.
#67. To: redleghunter, Don, GarySpFc, A K A Stone (#65)
#68. To: sneakypete, tpaine (#28)
(Edited)
Now they are going to start playing "The Persecuted Victim" again.
#69. To: sneakypete (#29)
We'uns doan needs nunya dat stinkin feedum stuff,dowe?
#70. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Don, Orthodoxa (#30)
...You clearly want to force your religious viewpoints on everyone else.
#71. To: sneakypete, Orthodoxa (#31)
Your whole post is a crock of crap,although I don't have the slightest doubt you believe it because it is what you have been told since you were a child.
#72. To: tpaine, sneakypete, Y'ALL (#33)
Me: "Certain strains of libertarians and atheists still believe that 'freedom from religion'' is a constitutional 'right.'
#73. To: sneakypete (#34)
Define what you mean by "public square."
#74. To: TooConservative (#58)
. Expecting people to post on-topic on news threads and to post their theological debates on Religion category threads is not jackbootery run amok.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#37)
It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no ..... why couldn't you have a state religion? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just saying words have meanings.
#76. To: Orthodoxa (#61)
The earth itself refused to support this blasphemy, and their satanic tower was unable to stand.
#77. To: Liberator (#70)
Tell the class HOW and WHO has coerced you into Christian conversion? Has it been by the sword? Gun to your head? By the law? Just HOW?!? NAMES.
#78. To: Orthodoxa, sneakypete (#42)
#79. To: TooConservative (#66)
And the church is looking nicer than ever, a real gem.
#80. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#74)
I even went so far as to create a "Religious Issues" ping list here and on LP so they would have a place to go to discuss religious issues with each other.
#81. To: TooConservative (#67)
I can see I was wasting my time inviting Don (2006) and Gary (2009).
#82. To: Excalibur, sneakypete, Orthodoxa (#77)
(Edited)
Sneakypete doesn't appear to be to bright. He seems to think that the soviet union was a christian nation that was friendly to believers.
#83. To: Liberator (#68)
(Edited)
the Christians are the same as Muzzies!!!.
#84. To: A Pole, sneakypete (#45)
How did you learn about history of the Russian Church? From TV? From a tourist trip? Or from atheist friends from Russia? From a neocon "history" book? Or from all the above?
#85. To: sneakypete (#83)
(Edited)
the Christians are the same as Muzzies!!!.
#86. To: Excalibur, sneakypete (#80)
Stone would you kindly create an atheist category so sneakypete doesn't clutter up the site with his militant atheism on every thread?
#87. To: Liberator (#70)
...You clearly want to force your religious viewpoints on everyone else.
#88. To: sneakypete (#83)
#89. To: Excalibur. owk (#77)
old grouch
#90. To: sneakypete (#87)
(Edited)
In real life you do it by trying to get laws changed so you can use the force of government to enforce your views.
#91. To: Liberator (#72)
And that's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION," Einstein, in the context of freely worshipping as one pleases.
#92. To: Liberator (#73)
Define what you mean by "public square."
#93. To: Excalibur (#77)
Sneakypete doesn't appear to be to bright. He seems to think that the soviet union was a christian nation that was friendly to believers.
#94. To: Excalibur (#80)
Stone would you kindly create an atheist category so sneakypete doesn't clutter up the site with his militant atheism on every thread?
#95. To: Liberator (#82)
Most historically saavy people know fully well the perscution of Christians and Orthodox in the Soviet Union.
#96. To: Liberator (#85)
Moreover, can you tell the class just which Christians have coerced and forced you to convert??
#97. To: TooConservative, Orthodoxa, tpaine, redleghunter, outdamned spot, Don, Devil Anse, A K A Stone (#52)
(Edited)
Some petty people did storm out acting like Goldi had tried to nail them to a cross and posted a lot of hurtful drivel about her, mostly here on LF.
#98. To: Orthodoxa (#86)
(Edited)
I doubt that Pete would enjoy being relegated to an atheist ghetto,
#99. To: sneakypete (#96)
Nobody forces me to do anything.
#100. To: Liberator (#88)
Don't get involved in these issues if you can't back up your dopey charges with lies.
#101. To: sneakypete (#95)
Most people with a open mind about history know full well that Christians and people of all religions other than communism were persecuted,but we also know the persecution was greatly exaggerated by the Christian leadership in the west as a tool to increase their power and fund-raising.
#102. To: Liberator (#90)
(Edited)
In real life you do it by trying to get laws changed so you can use the force of government to enforce your views.
#103. To: sneakypete (#100)
I don't lie and you know it.
#104. To: sneakypete (#102)
Yes. Starting with fines and evolving to time in prison.
#105. To: Liberator (#99)
Now will you withdraw your prior dopey claims that Christian = Muslims?
#106. To: Liberator (#101)
There was NO reason to exaggerate ANY thing regarding Soviet-Stalinist Russian.
#107. To: TooConservative, Orthodoxa, tpaine, redleghunter, Devil Anse, A K A Stone (#52)
Don't expect anyone to seriously debate your nonsensical idea of LP as a Soviet gulag. It's ridiculous. What's next, doubling down to compare Goldi to the commandant of Auschwitz?
#108. To: sneakypete (#102)
(Edited)
Christian version of Sharia Law
#109. To: TooConservative (#52)
My opinion is some of this LP dreck should be cleaned up and this forum should make a new start.
#110. To: TooConservative (#58)
Goldi was not a Soviet commissar and these complainers are not exactly martyrs on the march for the Church Militant and Triumphant.
#111. To: Don (#59)
I see that the usual clique of Athiests have found their way here. Christ is still Lord and while non - believers can't stand too see His name, facts don't change. He is still in charge and will remain so for all eternity.
#112. To: TooConservative, CZ82 (#57)
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and, doggone it, people like me.
#113. To: All (#0)
#114. To: Liberator, sneakypete (#104)
Blue laws in the United States
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#115. To: sneakypete (#74)
I even went so far as to create a "Religious Issues" ping list here and on LP so they would have a place to go to discuss religious issues with each other.
#116. To: Biff Tannen (#113)
#117. To: hondo68 (#114)
Back in the 1950's there was a Blue Law prohibiting retail sales on Sunday, in Ohio. It made weekend shopping tough.
#118. To: Liberator (#72)
Me: "Certain strains of libertarians and atheists still believe that 'freedom from religion'' is a constitutional 'right.'
Yes, the MOSTLY Christian Founders are THE ones who specified that no STATE religion be enforced or coerced upon the citizenry as a matter of Constitutionality.
And that's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION," Einstein, in the context of freely worshipping as one pleases.
Geez -- have you militant Atheists sufficient Kleenexes on this thread??
#119. To: Liberator (#97)
YOU should be shamed for pathetically pulling out this thread, trying to shame Christians for defending their faith, and standing on principle. It is absolutely shameful to also pull out the "sick woman" card, when NO one knew if or whther Goldi was "sick."
#120. To: tpaine (#118)
(Edited)
#121. To: TooConservative (#119)
All because you weren't allowed to hijack every thread at LP to shove religion at Goldi or Marguerite or meguro or whoever?
#122. To: Liberator (#121)
When "fanatical Christians" were maligned and slandered, WHERE WERE YOU to defend the faith AND charge? (no where.)
#123. To: Liberator, sneakypete, Y'ALL (#104)
Liberator (#90) -- Are those laws about converting you to Christianity?
#124. To: Liberator (#120)
Yes, the MOSTLY Christian Founders are THE ones who specified that no STATE religion be enforced or coerced upon the citizenry as a matter of Constitutionality.
And that's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION," Einstein, in the context of freely worshipping as one pleases.
It all still doesn't explain how you'd concluded that Christianity, aka "religious fanaticism took too much control."
Or the meme of how Goldie supposedly safeguarded LP from it as though it were an unchecked cancer. Christians did NOT monopolize or control the forum.
Fact is, Free Speech was blunted. You endorsed it. And NO, there never was any such Christian "fanaticism" at LP. EVER.
#125. To: sneakypete (#30)
you clearly want to force your religious viewpoints on everyone else.
#126. To: Liberator, TooConservative, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, Don, out damned spot, Orthodoxa, BobCeleste (#97)
#127. To: redleghunter (#126)
Goldi later clarified her position but never apologized.
#128. To: Biff Tannen (#113)
#129. To: hondo68, Vicomte13 (#114)
Back in the 1950's there was a Blue Law prohibiting retail sales on Sunday, in Ohio. It made weekend shopping tough.
#130. To: redleghunter (#129)
What's the issue with giving folks off work at least one day a week?
#131. To: redleghunter (#129)
What's the issue with giving folks off work at least one day a week?
#132. To: redleghunter (#129)
Chick Fil A is closed on Sunday.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#133. To: tpaine, liberator, BobCeleste, GarySpFc, TooConservative, sneakypete (#118)
(Edited)
religious fundamentalists
#134. To: TooConservative, pcpete, decktwat, tpinthea** (#130)
#135. To: TooConservative, GarySpFc, Vicomte13, liberator, A K A Stone (#119)
You had a Religion category at LP too. Know what, it didn't get much use. So that was why those posters had to come out of their own Religion category so they could proselytize their way across the entire forum.
#136. To: redleghunter (#128)
#137. To: tpaine, sneakypete, liberator, Uncle Siggy, GarySpFc, Don, listener, TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#123)
Here we have it sports fans, a clear example of liberators circular argument ploy. The argument is about religious 'shiria' style law, and liberators asserts that whoever violated that questionable 'law', committed a criminal act..
#138. To: A Pole (#125)
#139. To: TooConservative, liberator, GarySpFc, Vicomte13 (#127)
She was one of those people who never apologized for anything. I think she was sad over her outburst and felt remorse.
#140. To: TooConservative (#130)
#141. To: yukon (#131)
#142. To: hondo68, TooConservative, liberator, Uncle Siggy (#132)
Being a Christian doesn't have to be painful, IMO.
#143. To: redleghunter (#141)
It seems some are inconvenienced with shops closed on Sunday.
#144. To: redleghunter (#137)
#145. To: Biff Tannen (#136)
I retired it. With new people showing up I thought it might be off-putting!
#146. To: yukon (#143)
If that were my only day off indeed it would. Remember when stores and gas stations closed at 5:00 PM? When only some manufacturing shift workers, medical and safety employees worked nights? The entire economy has changed.
#147. To: tpaine, redleghunter, sneakypete (#123)
(Edited)
Here we have it sports fans, a clear example of liberators circular argument ploy. The argument is about religious 'shiria' style law, and liberators asserts that whoever violated that questionable 'law', committed a criminal act..
#148. To: redleghunter, tpaine, sneakypete, liberator, Uncle Siggy, GarySpFc, Don, listener, TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#137)
#149. To: Liberator (#147)
You atheist stalwart of free speech and libertarianism. OH WAIT.
#150. To: Orthodoxa (#149)
LOL. Is he one of those activists that insist that Christmas be called "Winter Holiday" and similar silliness?
#151. To: redleghunter (#126)
She's gone now so let's all stop stepping on her grave.
#152. To: redleghunter (#135)
On the effort to proselytize? I have to say it is not proselytizing to proclaim one's Christian worldview on the evils of abortion, the Alinsky tactics of the homosexual lobby and the general eroding of the family base in America. Pointing out America is in the crapper due to secularism and a rejection our Judeo Christian founding is not proselytizing. It is pointing out the giant wart on the tip of the nose everyone pretends to not see.
#153. To: sneakypete (#144)
#154. To: TooConservative (#152)
How much Mormon preaching and theology do you want to have on general news threads of all types?
How To Get Rid Of Mormons
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#155. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#152)
-1- So you'd be fine with some aggressive JWs and Mormons and Muslims and Buddhists to come to your news forum to enjoy their own freedom of speech and to proclaim their worldview too?
#156. To: redleghunter (#137)
What "sharia" type laws are Christians pushing on fellow Americans?
Reading the threads it seems that was the question posed.
#157. To: hondo68 (#154)
How To Get Rid Of Mormons
#158. To: TooConservative, BobCeleste, GarySpFc, liberator, out damned spot, A K A Stone, Don, Orthodoxa, B-Chan, listener, Vicomte13 (#152)
So you'd be fine with some aggressive JWs and Mormons and Muslims and Buddhists to come to your news forum to enjoy their own freedom of speech and to proclaim their worldview too?
#159. To: Orthodoxa (#155)
-3- For some people, religion affects every part of their life. If their posts are really that offensive to you, then why not just bozo them and not worry about it?
#160. To: redleghunter (#158)
Back in 2011 (thereabouts) Sally after a warning about posting categories clearly stated she understood that regular news articles would evoke religious discussions as sometimes you cannot separate the issues.
#161. To: TooConservative (#159)
You miss the point entirely. At LP, every thread was fair game for threadjacking into theology. Certainly, there were many off-topic postings on various topics but changing a thread into a religious discussion was by far the most common one. That was what annoyed Goldi, that is what it was all about.
#162. To: redleghunter (#140)
Stupid commercialism. Stores now open on Thanksgiving!
#163. To: All (#162)
#164. To: Vicomte13 (#163)
#165. To: Vicomte13, all (#163)
RELIGION!
#166. To: Orthodoxa (#161)
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...and yet you are acting like threads were being disrupted by a small amount of religious commentary.
#167. To: Orthodoxa, tpaine, sneakypete (#165)
Now see what you've done? The cries of the God-haters has had such a chilling effect that poor Vicomte may have just made his shortest religious post ever.
#168. To: TooConservative, .All (#167)
You're going along with the entire premise of this thread and its extremely hateful title.
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