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Title: "Militant Atheist" Endorses Stalinist Censorship for "religious fanatics" at LP; Exposed as a Hypocrite
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Liberty Post
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... gi?ArtNum=348566&Disp=525#C525
Published: Oct 13, 2014
Author: Redleghunter
Post Date: 2014-10-13 14:15:07 by Liberator
Keywords: MilitantAtheist, HypocritalLibertarian, FauxConstitutionalist
Views: 83843
Comments: 168
#525. To: tpaine, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, listener (#502)
LOL you are a piece of work. What about the libertarian, CT and homosexual lobby fanatics who post here? Mr. Libertarian you can't silence one philosophical voice or view, let all others opine and expect to be called libertarian.
Mr. Constitution I and every person of faith or religion has a First Amendment Right to freely exercise our religion AND as with all Americans the freedom of speech. Now if Goldi wants to limit those rights on her forum fine, but call it "Limited Libertypost" to accurately portray the site.
For someone who opines daily on the rights of individuals yet wants a particular philosophical thought suppressed is complete hypocrisy.
Please examine yourself.
Redleghunter is apparently one of those "religious fanatics" tpaine referred to. Tpaine -- a HUGE so-called "constitutionalist" and crusader for libertarianism -- was emboldened and still intoxicated and inspired by Goldi-Lox's "fanatic jesus"/you make me VOMIT!" comment.
Will Mr. Constitution "comprende" Hunting Season when its declared on hypocritical Libertarians? Chyeah, Paine -- We ALL saw what happened when one Closet Christian-Hater got called out on his fake "libertarian" and select memory of the US Constitution.
(Tpaine):"We've all seen what happened at FR when religious fanaticism took too much control. Goldie doesn't want it to happen here. Comprende?"
Poster Comment:
Tpaine -- yet another closeted out-of-the-woodwork Stalinist libertarian/Militant Atheist and anti-Christian -- was exposed and called out for his utter and complete blatant hypocrisy. Courtesy, redleghunter..
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#37. To: tpaine (#33)
It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no ..... So it couldn't be freedom from state religion. Maybe Federal religion. So if the state constitution didn't prohibit why couldn't you have a state religion? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just saying words have meanings.
I don't know who you think claimed that to be true,but it sure wasn't ME. The only Christian religion that was state-approved in the Soviet Union was the Russian Orthodox Church. Of course there were also Jews and Muslims in the USSR,but I have no idea how the various sects were treated,or if one sect from each was given preference. They were really offended by people forcing their religious beliefs one everyone else. I mean, look at those insensitive prisoners toward the end of the video, most of them are reciting the Lord's Prayer in public, where everyone is forced to hear it! You are using a freaking MOVIE as "proof"? Tell me,do you think farm animals carry on conversations,and that rabbits are smarter than hunters? Obviously the ethical atheist jackboots felt that this violation of their freedom from religion must be dealt with! When have you ever seen ME describe atheists as "ethical"? Like Christians,some are,and some aren't.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Stalin understood this well because he went to school to become a priest. The fact that it is rare to find a Russian that doesn't claim to be of the Russian Orthodox faith today is proof that religion wasn't suppressed on the level you claim. The communists treated religion like they did everything else. They were for it as long as they controlled it,and opposed to it if they thought some foreigners were controlling it. Their whole focus was on controlling power over everyone and everything. I first went to Russia as a tourist the year the Soviet Union collapsed,and I grew up believing the same crap you do. I was very surprised to see all the old churches being restored and at never personally meeting a Russian that didn't claim to believe in God. I'm sure they exist,I just didn't meet any. The documentation for people being punished for going to Church is enormous. One Russian Orthodox priest was literally CRUCIFIED on the doors to his Church by the Atheist Soviets. Literally millions of Christians were killed because of their public confession of Jesus Christ. And yes, the majority of Russians were and are Christian. They were being persecuted by an Atheist minority. That's what happens when you let people with an Atheist world-view seize power, they have no moral code. And you confess that you saw Churches being RESTORED. Who was it that had torn them down in the first place? And of course today most Russians are indeed openly Christian. They KNOW that only God could have overthrown the most evil empire in the history of mankind.
And we all know documents don't lie,right? One Russian Orthodox priest was literally CRUCIFIED on the doors to his Church by the Atheist Soviets. I have never tried to deny that some priests weren't murdered by the Soviets,and their churches weren't shut down. Stalin had this done to some of the priests that wouldn't play the role of informer on their congregation. Others were sent off to the labor camps and worked/starved to death. The ones that did play along kept their churches and were kept fat and happy. Or maybe you think that Stalin didn't know about the Patriarch in Moscow? And you confess that you saw Churches being RESTORED. Who was it that had torn them down in the first place? "CONFESS"? What religious crime am I being suspected of being guilty? SOME churches doesn't equal ALL churches,which was your original claim. They KNOW that only God could have overthrown the most evil empire in the history of mankind. Uh,huh. Odd how they/you never seem to question how a all-powerful and all-seeing God let the evil empire come into existence to start with,isn't it? Maybe you think Stalin had him fooled because he went to Divinity School?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion. There were some states that still had established state sponsored religions, but they gradually faded away. By the time Utah tried to enter the union, they were rejected because of their state religion. Indeed they do, and the no establishment of religion clause was generally accepted to apply to the States before the civil war. You'd think by now we wouldn't have to argue about it anymore....
"And we all know documents don't lie,right? " One of the videos I posted had literal historical footage of Russian Orthodox Christian Churches being destroyed by atheist Soviet thugs. I guess our own eyes are lying to us as well. The Soviets used the same debate strategy, a Potempkin village would be set up to convince gullible socialist fellow travelers from the West that the USSR was a worker's paradise. "I have never tried to deny that some priests weren't murdered by the Soviets,and their churches weren't shut down. Stalin had this done to some of the priests that wouldn't play the role of informer on their congregation. Others were sent off to the labor camps and worked/starved to death. The ones that did play along kept their churches and were kept fat and happy." The so-called "Living Church" was a very short-lived and failed attempt to take control over the Russian Orthodox Church by the Soviets. Hardly anyone went to it because they could tell it was a fake, non-Christian Church. They knew that the real Church was the real thing because so many martyrs endured gruesome torture and death and never renounced Jesus Christ. "Or maybe you think that Stalin didn't know about the Patriarch in Moscow?" Many Russian Orthodox Patriarchs and Bishops died as martyrs. St. Tykhon, pray for us! ""CONFESS"? What religious crime am I being suspected of being guilty? SOME churches doesn't equal ALL churches,which was your original claim. " You tried to claim that the atheist Soviets did not destroy Churches, but in the very same post remarked that when you visited Russia when the USSR fell, that you saw Churches being RESTORED. LOL, they would not have had to re-build Churches if they had not been demolished by the atheists in the first place. And I never claimed that ALL Churches had been destroyed, Stalin liked to do things in an unpredictable fashion, he found that it created far more terror that way. His officials would actually occasionally have a loyal Communist killed along with the Christians -- people would be terrified that if even an apparently obedient lackey would die for some slight perceived wrong, that they could be killed at any moment. "Uh,huh. Odd how they/you never seem to question how a all-powerful and all- seeing God let the evil empire come into existence to start with,isn't it? Maybe you think Stalin had him fooled because he went to Divinity School?" Stalin renounced Jesus Christ and became an atheist, that's what took him down the road to being such an evil monster. And many Russian Orthodox Saints prophesied of the coming persecution years before the atheists seized power in Russia. God allowed for evil people to prevail for a short time, he gives us free will. But ultimately He delivered the Russian people from their godless tyranny.
LOL TC never knew you were an old thread kindler:)
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Good to "see" ya.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
So Soviets were demolishing the church buildings because the priests there did not want to be informers? How did you learn about history of the Russian Church? From TV? From a tourist trip? Or from atheist friends from Russia? From a neocon "history" book? Or from all the above?
The left can't be constrained by actual language or original intent. They have a "living Constitution" that means whatever they want it to.
True enough. Look how popular I've made these two threads about me and tpaine. I knew of them before but tried always to stay out of the cross-forum flame wars. So I just never posted on it before.
There were a couple of other words he used to use incessantly.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Must be trying to manipulate Stone and Devil into seeing their point of view good luck with that. {chuckle} From the looks of it S&D seem to be ignoring them.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
You always was a popular guy you just never knew it, you can always tell how much you're liked by how much they ridicule you. :)
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
That seems to be a common occurrence no matter where you go, people claim they want to have free speech for everybody even when then don't really want to hear you point of view.
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Uh-huh. So that's what Goldi was trying to do. So just how many news threads completely unrelated to religion should Goldi have allowed to be hijacked into theology before she wouldn't get accused of conducting her own Katyn massacre of helpless LP users living under her jackbooted Soviet regime? She's dead now. And no one got sent to a gulag. Some petty people did storm out acting like Goldi had tried to nail them to a cross and posted a lot of hurtful drivel about her, mostly here on LF. And I think you all are ashamed now (or should be) for how unkind you were to a sick woman who occasionally had a little outburst on some minor issue on a forum she spent a lot of money to run so people could post freely. Don't let your guilty conscience deceive you. Some of you mistreated Goldi at least as much as you claim she mistreated you. Don't expect anyone to seriously debate your nonsensical idea of LP as a Soviet gulag. It's ridiculous. What's next, doubling down to compare Goldi to the commandant of Auschwitz? My opinion is some of this LP dreck should be cleaned up and this forum should make a new start. Same applies for some of the attack threads on 4um. Or personal attack threads on me or tpaine. For that matter, using the articles sidebar as a text message service makes LF look a little unhinged. And those Boris threads that are a single-post quote from FR or LP? Good grief, do I even need to say it? How valuable is that stuff to keep around and how much does it make LF look like a nest of kooks to people who might wander in here and be interested in joining? Our sidebar and headlines are very important to LF's reputation and ability to attract and keep new users. It's that simple.
And, just to hammer my point home, let's look at a DDG search for tpaine and LF. DDG: tpaine libertysflame You guys think anyone wants to sign up for a forum where it is clear that your online identity can be attacked at length and have the record of that attack persist for years or decades due to these search engines being allowed (by Stone) to run wild here? It was one thing to have attack threads over at LP or at 4um but at least both were dark-web. LF doesn't just have its legs spread, it's a DVDA extravaganza for any search engine to index.
More nonsense. ONE large RO church in Moscow was demolished. That's it. And rebuilding it became one of the first things life-long commie Yeltsin ordered after the Soviet Union collapsed. BTW,they did a beautiful job of recreating it,too. How did you learn about history of the Russian Church? Not from a RO cult leader,like you did,comrade.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
From the Thumpers POV,ALL of them. These people,much like the Muslims,are on a Religious Crusade,and anybody and anything that gets in their way is to be considered a speed bump that needs to get smoothed out. It ain't about fair,it's about dominating by force because they can never hope to dominate using reason.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sometimes you just have to wonder if it is all a massive "False Flag" operation with cynical non-believers pulling the strings behind the scenes,don't you? Who else really has to gain from religious non-globalists and non-religious globalists fighting each other instead of joining forces to the benefit of both as well as the country?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
LOL. I'll just keep telling myself how popular I am. Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and, doggone it, people like me.
Goldi was not a Soviet commissar and these complainers are not exactly martyrs on the march for the Church Militant and Triumphant. These are just chat sites. Expecting people to post on-topic on news threads and to post their theological debates on Religion category threads is not jackbootery run amok.
I see that the usual clique of Athiests have found their way here. Christ is still Lord and while non - believers can't stand too see His name, facts don't change. He is still in charge and will remain so for all eternity.
The magoo team - duo - trio * ... vain about your blinding - death spiral - trvial focus --- poking out eyes to make your jealous shrinking - dying world look bigger - better ! * stinkypete
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
And rebuilding it became one of the first things life-long commie Yeltsin ordered after the Soviet Union collapsed. BTW,they did a beautiful job of recreating it,too. How did you learn about history of the Russian Church? Not from a RO cult leader,like you did,comrade. If you think that the destruction of Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow was the only demolition of a Christian Church by the Soviets, you are really ignorant of history. Yes, people do focus on Christ the Saviour Cathedral, but they do so not because it was the only Christian Church blown up by the atheist Communists, but because of the miracles surrounding it. Stalin had it demolished and wanted to replace it with a "Palace of the Soviets" with a statue of Lenin on top of it. The earth itself refused to support this blasphemy, and their satanic tower was unable to stand. Christ the Saviour Cathedral has indeed been rebuilt, along with thousands of other Christian Churches. Christ is victorious, and the atheists have been relegated to the dustbin of history. It's too bad that you've been reduced to repeating Communist propaganda. You asked why God would permit the atheists to seize power in Russia, but in another statement admitted that almost every Russian that you met was openly a Christian. God gave them free will, and the Russian people have now been able to see what life is like under atheism and what it is like when Jesus Christ is exalted. That is why most Russians are Christians today. And that it why haters of Christianity try to censor it, like the Soviets they think that they can silence the proclamation of the Gospel. They don't want a free marketplace of ideas, because if people are free to hear the Gospel, many will choose it. But what happened to Liberty Post after Christianity was censored there? May God have mercy on her soul, Goldi died alone and largely unnoticed. She tried to silence the proclamation of the Gospel, and now her website has fallen silent. God is not mocked. And other folks in the thread trying to state that she only wanted for things to be posted "under the proper tabs", that simply isn't true. During election cycles, she banned Libertarian posts. When Romney was the nominee, she also banned postings critical of Mormonism, even under the Religion tab! She did not support an open and free marketplace of ideas, she ran a neo-con echo-chamber. And in addition to hating Libertarians, the neo-cons hate "social conservatives" which is their Newspeak for Christians.
And likewise, my friend. May God bless you abundantly in this new year.
Indeed so, well said and Amen.
Just the thought of the three of you Nazis running liberty post turned my stomach !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Hi Don.
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”(Isaiah 40:8)
Stalin tried to rip the heart out of the RO church with that one. Stalin and the USSR are both dust. And the church is looking nicer than ever, a real gem.
I can see I was wasting my time inviting Don (2006) and Gary (2009). Both "senior" to me; my first post was 2010-01-13. Don must be one of the most senior members still here at LF. Stone is member #9, Don is #35. Don first posted on thread #144.
Uh, no. Apparently YOU and the usual Atheists whiner-suspects are... (Boo-hoo...the Christians are the same as Muzzies!!!....They are Crusaders and persecute the rest of us!!!....just like Muslims!!!......blah, blah, blah...sob...sniffle!!!") How utterly dopey you are. GET. BENT. CRYBABY. ATHEIST.
Who doze peeppills think dey iz anyhow,'murikans? And now you're mentally challeged...Fall off your horsey...OR, the duty nurses have replaced your baby formula with moonshine. Get a grip, pal.
You mean as in "coercion"?? Threat? Tell the class HOW and WHO has coerced you into Christian conversion? Has it been by the sword? Gun to your head? By the law? Just HOW?!? NAMES. Thanks...
Nope. You just got schooled.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion. Yes, the MOSTLY Christian Founders are THE ones who specified that no STATE religion be enforced or coerced upon the citizenry as a matter of Constitutionality. And that's "FREEDOM OF RELIGION," Einstein, in the context of freely worshipping as one pleases. Geez -- have you militant Atheists sufficient Kleenexes on this thread??
DUH.
You clearly misunderstood the intent of my post. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough? I even went so far as to create a "Religious Issues" ping list here and on LP so they would have a place to go to discuss religious issues with each other.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Technically you could have an argument. Just sayin' ;-)
Un,huh. Get back with me once your meds kick in.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sneakypete doesn't appear to be to bright. He seems to think that the soviet union was a christian nation that was friendly to believers. He is just an old grouch. He has no life except being a grouch on the interweb.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", --- refers to freedom from STATE religion.
#38. To: Orthodoxa (#35)
Yeah, the Soviets believed that you had a "choice" as well.
#39. To: sneakypete (#31)
Nobody was punished for going to church. In FACT,the priesthood was a KGB career field. After all,who better to keep a eye on the people than the man that hears their confessions?
#40. To: Orthodoxa (#39)
The documentation for people being punished for going to Church is enormous.
#41. To: A K A Stone (#37)
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It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no ..... So it couldn't be freedom from state religion. Maybe Federal religion.
So if the state constitution didn't prohibit why couldn't you have a state religion? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just saying words have meanings.
#42. To: sneakypete (#40)
#43. To: TooConservative (#5)
#44. To: Orthodoxa (#42)
#45. To: sneakypete (#40)
I have never tried to deny that some priests weren't murdered by the Soviets,and their churches weren't shut down. Stalin had this done to some of the priests that wouldn't play the role of informer on their congregation.
#46. To: A K A Stone (#37)
It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no .....
#47. To: redleghunter (#43)
LOL TC never knew you were an old thread kindler:)
#48. To: Liberator (#9)
dishonorable
#49. To: tpaine (#14)
#50. To: TooConservative (#47)
#51. To: Orthodoxa (#23)
For a site to advertise itself as not censoring people for their beliefs, but then to censor people due to their religious beliefs or in some cases even political beliefs (she also regularly purged Libertarian posts during election seasons -- note: I'm not a Libertarian, I just recognize that when the censorship of them started that someday it would happen to me too, and indeed it did.)
#52. To: Orthodoxa, liberator, tpaine, redleghunter, Devil Anse, A K A Stone (#23)
Ordinary people who went to Church would be tracked by the NKVD and later the KGB and punished for openly displaying their belief in Jesus Christ, because much like the God-Haters at LP, they were offended if they had to see someone openly being a Christian or talking about it.
#53. To: Orthodoxa, liberator, tpaine, redleghunter, Devil Anse, A K A Stone (#52)
#54. To: A Pole (#45)
So Soviets were demolishing the church buildings because the priests there did not want to be informers?
#55. To: TooConservative (#52)
So just how many news threads completely unrelated to religion should Goldi have allowed to be hijacked into theology before she wouldn't get accused of conducting her own Katyn massacre of helpless LP users living under her jackbooted Soviet regime?
#56. To: TooConservative (#52)
My opinion is some of this LP dreck should be cleaned up and this forum should make a new start. Same applies for some of the attack threads on 4um. Or personal attack threads on me or tpaine. For that matter, using the articles sidebar as a text message service makes LF look a little unhinged. And those Boris threads that are a single-post quote from FR or LP? Good grief, do I even need to say it? How valuable is that stuff to keep around and how much does it make LF look like a nest of kooks to people who might wander in here and be interested in joining?
#57. To: CZ82 (#50)
You always was a popular guy you just never knew it, you can always tell how much you're liked by how much they ridicule you. :)
#58. To: sneakypete (#55)
From the Thumpers POV,ALL of them. These people,much like the Muslims,are on a Religious Crusade,and anybody and anything that gets in their way is to be considered a speed bump that needs to get smoothed out.
#59. To: Liberator (#0)
#60. To: TooConservative (#52)
(Edited)
#61. To: sneakypete (#54)
More nonsense. ONE large RO church in Moscow was demolished. That's it.
#62. To: redleghunter (#44)
Good to "see" ya.
#63. To: Don (#59)
I see that the usual clique of Athiests have found their way here. Christ is still Lord and while non - believers can't stand too see His name, facts don't change. He is still in charge and will remain so for all eternity.
#64. To: TooConservative, out damned spot (#58)
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The magoo team - duo - trio *
#65. To: Don (#59)
#66. To: Orthodoxa (#61)
If you think that the destruction of Christ the Saviour Cathedral in Moscow was the only demolition of a Christian Church by the Soviets, you are really ignorant of history.
#67. To: redleghunter, Don, GarySpFc, A K A Stone (#65)
#68. To: sneakypete, tpaine (#28)
(Edited)
Now they are going to start playing "The Persecuted Victim" again.
#69. To: sneakypete (#29)
We'uns doan needs nunya dat stinkin feedum stuff,dowe?
#70. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Don, Orthodoxa (#30)
...You clearly want to force your religious viewpoints on everyone else.
#71. To: sneakypete, Orthodoxa (#31)
Your whole post is a crock of crap,although I don't have the slightest doubt you believe it because it is what you have been told since you were a child.
#72. To: tpaine, sneakypete, Y'ALL (#33)
Me: "Certain strains of libertarians and atheists still believe that 'freedom from religion'' is a constitutional 'right.'
#73. To: sneakypete (#34)
Define what you mean by "public square."
#74. To: TooConservative (#58)
. Expecting people to post on-topic on news threads and to post their theological debates on Religion category threads is not jackbootery run amok.
#75. To: A K A Stone (#37)
It says congress shall make..... It doesn't say the governors shall make no ..... why couldn't you have a state religion? I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just saying words have meanings.
#76. To: Orthodoxa (#61)
The earth itself refused to support this blasphemy, and their satanic tower was unable to stand.
#77. To: Liberator (#70)
Tell the class HOW and WHO has coerced you into Christian conversion? Has it been by the sword? Gun to your head? By the law? Just HOW?!? NAMES.
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