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Diddy, TVA Scandal, and Joel Osteen | SRS #232 Capablanca Teaches Us The ONLY Chess Opening You'll Ever Need "How Bruce Springsteen Fooled America" How ancient Rome was excavated in Italy in the 1920s. Unique rare videos and photos. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Creationism/Evolution See other Creationism/Evolution Articles Title: Athiests can’t prove there is no God, they have to take it on faith Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Jan 4, 2014 Author: Free Vulcan, dennisw Post Date: 2014-01-04 22:16:15 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 8986 Comments: 21 It is impossible to disprove the existence of God. The only way you could do it is if you were omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, so that you could be absolutely sure that there isn’t a greater being out there able to hide their presence from you. Problem is, if you had those powers, you yourself would be God, and it would be a self-contradiction at that point to try and disprove your own existence. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 21. #1. To: A K A Stone (#0) Your article is riddled with logical fallacies. It is impossible to disprove the existence of God. The statement assumes that God exists without any supporting substance or objective proof. If, indeed God exists why would anyone attempt to disprove the existence, thereof? So answer the question, go outside and view a free standing tree. It exists and there is no question about its existence; if you have further question about the tree's existence, feel free to walk to towards it and ensure that the apparent appearance agrees with the inverse square law, so as you approach it, it appears larger from your earlier frame of reference. If you still have doubt, touch the tree. Taste the tree. Smell the tree. Do anything that adds to your supporting data to proove the tree exists. Feel free to cut the tree down and burn the tree to understand that the tree is contained within the Universe. The reasoning is simple for the exercise, we take for granted all things within sensory perception. Why? Our senses form the basis of how each and every individual views the world around us. The only way you could do it [disprove the existence of God] is if you [or anybody] were omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, so that you [or anybody] could be absolutely sure that there isn’t a greater being out there able to hide their presence from you [or anybody]. The assumption is that God [an omnipotent being] would not perform the riddle in the first place. Yet, if God has all the power suggested [omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent] the assumption limits God power by a single method. That approach to a complex argument is self answering and as a result is another fallacy the author uses. Problem is, if you had those powers, you yourself [or somebody] would be God, and it would be a self-contradiction at that point to try and disprove your own existence. The statement poses a problem and attempts to answer the same with a presumed correct solution. The solution has no substantiation of or about "self contradiction." The statement inherently contradicts all the assumptions of an omnipotent God, which as a limitless being, could choose "self contradiction" as a method to be. Stone, the real scope of your thread is very simple. All individuals in life as we know it on Earth are bounded by physical constraints and are limited in mental and personal, anatomical capabilities and capacities. If there is an omnipotent God, it is a mystery. buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-05   8:32:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: buckeroo (#1) It isn't a mystery to those whom God has determined to belong to Him. God's children believe on the grounds of faith through the grace of God. Satan's children will not believe, nor will they receive the blessings of God except for the common blessings on earth. Don  posted on  2014-01-06   19:42:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Don (#15) It isn't a mystery to those whom God has determined to belong to Him. Ahhh yes, I clearly see your perspective; in effect, your opinion has God placing piles of people on the planet through the beginning of time with a pre-determined set of non-deterministic individualized or self choices: some pre-selected as God's chosen people (as the Jews claim) and some true believers of Jesus Christ that somehow ascend to paradise or Heaven. Simultaneously, from your perspective all the rest of the human population that have existed through time are doomed to HELL. From my interpretation of your statement, there are some serious questions that I want to point out to you and any readers that find this subject of any interest. The first case is there are over 20 Jewish sects on the planet. Which Jewish sect is God refering to, as the chosen people? If you over generalize that "Abraham's blood is within all Jews" you may have a problem with any argument because there are many Jews that have married outside of Jewish orthodoxy and as a result are "impure" from a strict point of view. Hence, non-pure Jews represent a HUGE segment of Jews families that may have an issue getting to Heaven. The second case is there are over 200 Christian sects on the planet. Which sect does anyone actually follow as surely once anyone realizes the complexity of diversity amonst these varying sects, they may either fall dizzy to the details of belief OR die before their limited time is swallowed up before being judged by a God that already dispositioned their fruitless research. The third case is quite complex as it offers a riddle to consider. What about the Jewish sects (old testiment) that deny Jesus Christ (almost all of Jews suggest Jesus was not and is not the "Messiah") and yet, Jews are considered the "chosen people." Please explain this paradox. The fourth case is as complex as the third case just offered above. What about all the "Christians" that during the various Crusades intentionally murdered both Jews and Muslems in Europe and in the Middle East as in Palestine and Judea, to permanently remove the blasphemous blight from the eyes of the Pope and all Christians everywhere? What happens to these "Christians" for either Heaven or Hell determination? BTW, the crusaders operated out of their true belief in Jesus Christ and would potentially die in the name of Jesus Christ in battle with heretics and blasphemers. Please respond to the above "cases" so I understand your belief system. God's children believe on the grounds of faith through the grace of God. What does "grace of God" have to do with God's determination, as you pointed out earlier? Are you saying that God is compassionate about a human being so confused about the mission of Jesus Christ that God is willing to understand the individual case as pointed in all four generic cases presented above? Satan's children will not believe, nor will they receive the blessings of God except for the common blessings on earth. I see your apparent perspective again. Your viewpoint is not adjusted by about two thousand years of Christian re-interpretation of the books that are valued by your particular Christian sect. And you intentionally neglect the Christian bloodbaths around the world spreading the good word that created the world's "dark ages" and later lead to rape, pillaging and outright murder in the name of Jesus Christ. buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-06   21:35:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: buckeroo (#16) To make things hopefully clear to you, God doesn't go by sects, denominations, or general classifications to determine His people. An example of this is the number of times the ancient Jewish nation rebelled against God. God has killed many Jews because they willfully sinned against God. God has always kept a remnant of people who loved God and did His Will. God saved the remnant and condemned the others. As for Christians, it is foolishness to believe that a person is a Christian because the person has said he is Christian. It is the actions of a person that are more accurate than words. God knows who belongs to Him, and it is He who is the final judge of those matters. Don  posted on  2014-01-07   21:44:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Don (#20) To make things hopefully clear to you, God doesn't go by sects, denominations, or general classifications to determine His people. If true, please explain the idea about, "the chosen people." Only Jews wear that title. An example of this is the number of times the ancient Jewish nation rebelled against God. God has killed many Jews because they willfully sinned against God. I suppose you are suggesting that Jews are not so chosen after all. How about that! God has always kept a remnant of people who loved God and did His Will. God saved the remnant and condemned the others. Where are these people? Because there are no examples anywhere around the world walking the planet that I know of or about. As for Christians, it is foolishness to believe that a person is a Christian because the person has said he is Christian. Damn! There goes my Tamara Faye LaValley Bakker Messner & Jimmy Bakker argument. But what about Jerry Falwell and his "Christian Zionism" concept? It is the actions of a person that are more accurate than words. God knows who belongs to Him, and it is He who is the final judge of those matters. For those of us that attempt to understand an example of a REAL Christian ... I hope you can produce one. I don't believe Jesus Christ would merit your approval based on the selected books of the New Testament. buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-08   21:21:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 21.         There are no replies to Comment # 21. End Trace Mode for Comment # 21. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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