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Title: How GOP Insiders Will Fail in Civil War
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URL Source: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/58895
Published: Oct 29, 2013
Author: Jonathon Moseley
Post Date: 2013-10-29 19:36:43 by A K A Stone
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Now the United States is hearing “The Establishment Strikes Back.” But this campaign against the tea party will fail, because false assumptions dominate the thinking and plans of America’s Republican establishment. GOP insiders have now declared war on the tea party. They are promising during the 2014 U.S. elections to restore business interests to dominate the GOP, and weaken the tea party influence. “Hopefully we’ll go into eight to 10 races and beat the snot out of them,” said former Rep. Steve LaTourette of Ohio. According to the National Journal, “LaTourette’s new political group, Defending Main Street, aims to raise $8 million to fend off tea-party challenges against more mainstream Republican incumbents.” La Tourette explains: “We’re going to be very aggressive and we’re going to get in their faces.” Trouble is: America’s Republican aristocracy does not understand the tea party or what is motivating the grassroots insurgency. Republican insiders cannot respond to what they do not understand. First, too many ‘mainstream’ Republicans candidates spend money like drunken sailors. They vote for more spending, bigger deficits, more business-strangling regulations, bigger government, and ballooning national debt. They must eventual buckle to higher taxes. Political gurus put on an act, saying that the divide falls between fiscal issues and social issues. But establishment candidates are not fiscal conservatives, they only play fiscal conservatives on TV. The tea party revolt is against the GOP’s rampant fiscal irresponsibility. The tea party aims to put the United States’ finances in order, lowering taxes, and balancing the budget. The charade of pitting ‘business interests’ against the tea party will not fool businessmen for long. The GOP establishment is bad for business. Second, the grassroots is demanding genuine change. Until they see actual change, ain’t nobody listening. GOP elites don’t get it: The grassroots is like a wife who has been cheated on, who is refusing to listen to her adulterous husband’s excuses. So when GOP aristocrats ‘warn’ us about tea party candidates, their arguments fall on deaf ears. Voters must see a genuine change of heart before they might start listening. Hell hath no fury like a voter whom the establishment has lied to (once too often). Third, conservative candidates thrive when attacked by GOP elites. The morning after Christine O’Donnell won the September 14, 2010, primary, her website displayed a fund-raising goal of $50,000. Then, news spread that Mike Castle refused to endorse the choice of the voters and the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) was refusing to help. Radio talk show host Laura Ingraham that morning then Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity that afternoon urged their enormous audiences to donate. Christine’s fund-raising blew through $1.1 million by 1:30 PM. She only asked for $50,000 that day. Conservatives ultimately gave $7.4 million. Steve LaTourette’s entire budget is only $8 million, spread across 10 campaigns. Contributors gave $7.4 million for the pleasure of sticking their thumb in GOP guru Karl Rove’s eye. The more the establishment snubbed sweet and sympathetic Christine, the more conservative donors wanted to slap Republican elites across the face with their own donation. Those donations were a rejection of the very establishment who now imagine we will suddenly start listening to them. Third, the U.S. political establishment is gripped with a shared fantasy: If only voters had known about candidates’ “baggage,” voters would have nominated the liberal Republican insider instead. Yet the ‘baggage’ was very well and widely known before those primaries. Grassroots voters simply don’t care about the smears against their candidates. A flawed conservative beats a flawless liberal Republican any day, the grassroots is firmly convinced. The establishment insists the exact opposite is true. That is a central question sharply in dispute. Elites thundered mightily before the primaries, loudly warning the voters don’t you dare nominate so-and-so. Republican voters heard – and completely rejected – that message. Political analysts keep making Christine O’Donnell’s U.S. Senate race the centerpiece of the Party’s struggle. So we are forced to revisit it. Attacks claiming ‘baggage’ began in December 2009, long before the September 10, 2010, primary. But the more GOP royalty told voters they mustn’t vote for Christine, the more enthusiastically voters lined up to kick Mike Castle out. The very act of telling Republican voters whom they ‘must’ nominate convinces them to volunteer and vote for the other guy. Fourth, the grassroots rejects the ‘baggage’ argument fundamentally. They know that the GOP elites have never learned how to answer false smears against Republicans. Conservatives are convinced that it isn’t ‘baggage’ that is the problem, but the unwillingness and inability of supposed Republican geniuses to deal with false smears by liberals and the mainstream media. Even Ann Coulter has adopted false narratives about Delaware. Delaware’s uncontroversial 2012 Republican nominee – ‘baggage’ free – got only 29% of the vote, contrasted with O’Donnell’s 40% in 2010. So, our dear and beloved Ann, with ‘baggage’ your friend and mine Christine got 40%, of the vote. No baggage got you 29% of the vote in 2012. The real problem is that the GOP aristocracy sabotages its own candidates and doesn’t know how to win elections. It would be better for Ann Coulter and indeed Christine O’Donnell to work on providing training to Republicans on campaign techniques than to belittle the brave souls who dare to go into the arena to fight for our country. Fifth, Republican moderates lose in primaries because they are often simply bad candidates. On December 8, 2009, Karl Rove came to Broadlands in Delaware to rally the tea party in support of Mike Castle. Russ Murphy, head of the Delaware Tea Party Patriots, was one invited to the summit. He granted me an interview. Initially, Karl Rove alienated Delaware’s tea party leadership by blovating about Karl Rove and his own supposed importance. Having thoroughly disgusted the tea party leaders with his arrogance, Rove finally got around to commanding them to support Mike Castle. Eyes rolled as Rove misrepresented Castle’s record. Russ Murphy stood up and told Karl Rove that Mike Castle was losing because he wasn’t meeting with the voters. Christine O’Donnell was winning because she was showing up. Christine took the voters’ questions and answered them. Mike Castle was dodging and hiding from the voters. Simply put, Mike Castle was a bad candidate, Christine was a good candidate. Delaware is a small State which, like New Hampshire, prizes personal contact with the candidates. Karl Rove – who claims to know campaigns – could have taken Russ Murphy’s tip straight back to the Mike Castle campaign. Rove could have insisted that Castle start getting out there and talking to voters. Nope. Instead, within two weeks, a professionally prepared, expensive dossier of smears against Christine O’Donnell started circulating among Delaware journalists and Republican activists. Neither Karl Rove nor Mike Castle could figure out that if you ignore and snub the voters, they probably won’t vote for you. So, the Republican aristocracy has decided to try something new: They are going to attack tea party candidates and warn grassroots voters they must nominate moderates. But that is not new. It’s old. That is the same failed game plan insiders have been trying over and over. And they keep failing miserably at it. Refusing to acknowledge or address the real problems, GOP elites keep playing out vain hopes of getting a different result. The establishment doesn’t understand why it has a problem. 0 Comments Jonathon Moseley is a Virginia business and criminal defense attorney. Moseley is also a co-host with the ?Conservative Commandos? radio show, and an active member of the Northern Virginia Tea Party. He studied Physics at Hampshire College, Finance at the University of Florida and law at George Mason University in Virginia. Moseley promoted Reagan?s policies at High Frontier and the Center for Peace in Freedom. He worked at the U.S. Department of Education, including at the Center for Choice in Education.
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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)
Fourth, the grassroots rejects the ‘baggage’ argument fundamentally. They know that the GOP elites have never learned how to answer false smears against Republicans. Conservatives are convinced that it isn’t ‘baggage’ that is the problem, but the unwillingness and inability of supposed Republican geniuses to deal with false smears by liberals and the mainstream media. Even Ann Coulter has adopted false narratives about Delaware. Delaware’s uncontroversial 2012 Republican nominee – ‘baggage’ free – got only 29% of the vote, contrasted with O’Donnell’s 40% in 2010. So, our dear and beloved Ann, with ‘baggage’ your friend and mine Christine got 40%, of the vote. No baggage got you 29% of the vote in 2012. The real problem is that the GOP aristocracy sabotages its own candidates and doesn’t know how to win elections. It would be better for Ann Coulter and indeed Christine O’Donnell to work on providing training to Republicans on campaign techniques than to belittle the brave souls who dare to go into the arena to fight for our country. "‘baggage’ free – got only 29% of the vote, contrasted with O’Donnell’s 40% in 2010."
I don't think O'Donnell was an effective candidate but the Tea party wing of the GOP continues to grow in strength and influence. The conservative voters are finally rising up and voting against the old guard who run conservative and vote liberal. An Obamacare catastrophe could deliver the Senate to the GOP in 2014. That will be a difficult struggle, but they should at least close the gap. The more Obamacare flops, the more it enhances Ted Cruz. Rand Paul continues to get plenty of face time, and Paul Ryan is still around. Jeb Bush is sniffing about but I think another Bush candidate will be a disaster. For 2016, GOP prospects depend largely on whether the old guard controls the process and barfs up another McCain/Romney candidate. In 2012, Obama was vulnerable but the GOP proved they could not beat somebody with nobody. The Dem disaster of Obamacare is just beginning. When the website gets up, it will only get worse. They can not fix it, test it, and have it near 100% stable and reliable in a month. Millions are thrown off their plans and will encounter serious sticker shock when they can get on the website. If the website does not come up in time to let them get enrolled by December 15th, they will be uninsured on January 1st. Delaying implementation of the Act will not put them back on their old plan. And then there is a New York poll of 414 physicians that showed 44% will not particpate in Obamacare, 33% may not participate, and only 23% indicated they intended to participate. If that holds, a lot of people are losing their doctor and are going to get used to long waits. Democrats up for reelection in 2014 are going to have a tough time explaining their Obamacare votes, and they will invite strong Republican candidates. Many anti-Democrat votes will be cast in 2014, just as many anti-W/Cheney votes were cast in 2008.
And when more people figure out the company who made the website is just basically a money laundering front for the Dems (via "The First Hag") it will get even worse.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
And some people still think we have to start a Third Party because taking over the current Republican Party is impossible.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
The dumbest thing she did was make an ad saying she is not a witch. Dumb imo. She lost ok. But she didn't lose as bad as the candidate the establishment didn't complain about.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it." Are you going to help take it over by starting to vote? Like for Ted Cruz or Rand Paul. Or sooner in 2014?
She lost ok. But she didn't lose as bad as the candidate the establishment didn't complain about. Yeah, the witch ad became a caricature. Regarding elections, primary results do not compare directly to general election results. The makeup of the electorate is significantly different. Castle may, or may not, have performed better in the general than he did in the primary due to different turnout. Due to gerrymandered districts, it is easier for incumbents to win general elections but more difficult to survive primaries if they do not appeal to their party base, conservative for Republicans. Some of the party machine candidates have delivered such non-conservative goodies as NAFTA and GATT. They enjoy little support from the conservatives who turn out at primaries in a greater percentage than non-conservatives.
Many are still in denial about Obama lying when he said people could keep their health plan, keep their doctor, and this would reduce premium cost. I'm waiting to see an offer of 100% subsidies for all and it will be free health care and nobody will have to pay anything.
Sen. John McCain, who aimed and coordinated fire at the unruly House Republicans, appears to have kicked off his campaign for Hillary in 2016. This is probably an early shot at nominating another party hack, because only a party hack can defeat the formidible Hillary. John McCain (Dem., AZ, /sarc) speaking of Hillary Clinton.
Civil war....... Will the gopers spend the next 11 months whining and bitching about the tea- baggers acting like conspiracy loving whack-jobs, or the country-club 1 percenters not hating the 99% enough..... either way, they offer nothing to the independent voter.....who decide all national elections..... GOP insiders? perhaps it will be the entire republican party that tantrums themselves into obscurity......
either way, they offer nothing to the independent voter.....who decide all national elections..... Jameson. How old are you? You sound really stupid. Why do you want to spend beyond our means depriving our children of a future. You think a million dollars of debt per taxpayer is sanity? Jameson you are such a tiny little turd. You support the fly bait that occupies the oval office. He is the one percent who wants special healtcare unlike the 99.9 percent of the rest of us. You support the party of murdering little kids, by drone and scalpal and whatever else you sickos can think of. The indepent voter doesn't like paying for you and your freeloader party. Jameson you're such a foolish little turd. Paul/Cruz or Cruz/Paul 2016 Flush Hillary the murderer down the toilet. Her mother should have had one of those abortions you "liberals" love so much. It is a shame she didn't.
You have to take it over with delegates in the states, not me voting for some douchebags like Kasich here or Christie/Bush at the national level...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Since you happen to be a Leftard why don't you explain to us how great they are while they're stealing your dumbass blind! We're all ears. Hey Stone you know I'm thinking this guy is related to yukon somehow.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
The primaries are first. If people like you sit out of the primaries. We end up with douchebags like Christie/Bush McCain etc.
So how is that gonna solve the problem of Leftards registering as Pubbies and voting for POS like Christie/Bush McCain, and then the Pubbies hierarchy pushing the same douchebag candidates the Leftard crossovers are voting for? You have to replace the establishment hierarchy starting at the county level and letting them work their way up to the state and national party levels.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
And that will never happen if people sit home and don't vote.
It is. Those few "good guys" have had almost no effect. Obamacare was funded and the debt ceiling raised. Tyranny marches on and big brother is watching YOU. You hear some good speeches, but when the rubber meets the road there's always enough votes to screw we the people.
I'm talking the people like who are in the Local, state and National Republican party, you don't vote for those people. I'm talking turdwackers like Reince Priebus and all the others behind the scenes that "find and support" the candidates. These are the people you need to replace because they are who determines which direction the Party takes. (They seem to be more interested in personal gain/glory than doing what is right for the party and the people of this country). They need to be treated like roaches, "flushed out and stomped on"!! That's how you take over a Party and use it to make major changes, not start a 3rd Party that have no resources and the deck is stacked against them because of all the rules made by the Dims and Pubbies... If you don't replace these people then you will continue to get the McCumstains, Bushes, Kasich's Portman's and any other POS you can think of we've had in the past.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
either way, they offer nothing to the independent voter.....who decide all national elections..... yeah.... Your attacks on me are pointless and boring.....and rather predictable. Your response suggests that you have no response to my point. This thread is about the "civil war" within the gop.... I simply suggested this: 1. The tea-baggers are conspiracy loving whack jobs.... 2. The establishment country clubbers put the interests of their big money benefactors ahead of the American middle-class. and 3. Neither of these positions expand the republican base, by attracting independent voters This is a losing position. Please explain where I am wrong.
That is a bit of a generalization. You offer no specdifics. Because you are the wack job. You vote for baby murderers. When the revolution comes your head will be removed. It will be on a stick.
How do you replace them? By not voting? How does that do anything? You vote in the primaries then you get good candidates. They are just a faction. Our faction has to be larger. We don't win by sitting on the sidelines complaining. You should know that by the results you have gotten from that stance. We have to try and not just complain. :)
You've overlooked the fact the the Democrat wing is the same, except that they love killing black babies in the ghetto more.
You vote in the primaries then you get good candidates. So who are the people who "find and support" the candidates you vote for in the primaries and any other election??? These people... http://www.montgop.com/ And these people... http://www.ohiogop.org/ And these people... http://www.gop.com/ Now, how many of these "finders and supporters" are on a ballot you have access to?
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
You're gonna cause Lobotomy Boy to have a heart attack if you don't stop telling him the truth.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
(you should not drink in the morning) SP "specifics" Consider a few.....: For years, so-called “birthers” have claimed that President Obama was born outside the country, and is therefore, ineligible to be president. In a video recently uncovered by Mother Jones, Sen. Ted Cruz’s father, Rafael Cruz, is seen in 2012 telling the Tea Party of Hood County, “I’d like to send him back to Kenya, back to Indonesia.” The crowd went wild. Jerome Corsi (the “Senior Commentator for TeaParty.org”) has suggested that Obama might be gay, bisexual, and/or secretly married to a man. Among several other members of Congress, Tea Partiers Michele Bachmann and Louie Gohmert sent a joint letter to the Department of State in 2012, alleging that longtime Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin was a Muslim Brotherhood operative. President of the Texas Eagle Forum, Cathie Adams, suggested that anti-tax lobbyist Grover Norquist’s beard is evidence that he’s secretly a Muslim. The video was posted online by the Far North Dallas Tea Party. Similarly, Glenn Beck has said that Norquist “opened the door to the Muslim Brotherhood on the Right.” According to Glenn Beck, “Marxist revolutionaries” in the Obama administration were responsible for closing national monuments during the (Tea Party-caused) government shutdown in 2013. He suggested that this is a sign of a “Marxist, communist revolution” that will result in millions of Americans being murdered unless the G.O.P. is defunded. Glenn Beck has suggested that Obama’s “all-out class warfare act” caused a horrific murder spree in Brooklyn, in which a mother and her four children were stabbed to death. They are “the first victims of this war on the wealthy,” he said. Tea Party heartthrob Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli has said that he was hesitant to get his son a Social Security number “because it is being used to track you.” Glenn Beck suggested that Obama might be a “traitor” who wanted to get involved in Syria’s civil war in order to help Al-Qaeda and/or the Muslim Brotherhood. In September, Michele Bachmann, Louie Gohmert, and Steve King traveled to Egypt, where they made a video in which Bachmann suggested that the Muslim Brotherhood caused 9/11. On TeaParty.org, Jerome Corsi writes that Obamacare allows “Obama Storm Troops” to “invade your home” and “take your underage children away from you.” A number of factors determine if you are “high risk,” he continues, one of them being “Families with individuals who are serving or formerly served in the United States Armed Forces.” Yeah, these patriots are attracting independent voters..... Oh yeah! how could I forget, the ultimate whack-job conspiracy theory: "When the revolution comes...." this is too easy...
yeah, please.... this discussion is focused on the republicans and their self-destruction..... try to keep up, ok?
The same tactics used by Roman Popes to get the Levant back in their control. They helped the Muhammadans war against the Byzantine empire hoping to sweep in and take the prize. Instead the Byzantine empire became a fixture ripe for conquest and then the Roman Popes and Western kings started worrying their empire would be in danger. So what we are seeing are K Street GOP insiders (Roman Popes) working with K Street leftists (Muhammadans) to destroy the Tea party.
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Your handler "shore dun" come thru in the clutch for you, that's some fine agitprop "ye got dere".
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Will the gopers spend the next 11 months whining and bitching about the tea- baggers acting like conspiracy loving whack-jobs, or the country-club 1 percenters not hating the 99% enough..... either way, they offer nothing to the independent voter.....who decide all national elections..... GOP insiders? perhaps it will be the entire republican party that tantrums themselves into obscurity...... The problem with this analysis is not that GOP internal conflict hurts the GOP. It's that it overlooks the failing of Obamacare in the most spectacular fashion possible. Getting the website working is only one problem, but a major one. It has exhibited problems with the system architecture, not bugs or glitches. It was not tested end to end, and security was waived. Some security was not present rather than just untested. Getting the site up and running properly by the end of November is a real challenge. Millions have had their plans canceled with many millions more to come before November 2014. Barring a great comeback, it will overshadow GOP infighting. The Dems have gone past the point of no return and can neither delay nor disown the Obamacare mess. They cannot delay because millions have received cancelation notices. Delay will not revive their health plans. It will leave them uninsured with no Obamacare exchange. They cannot disown as they voted for it on a party line in March 2010, they voted to shut down the government rather than delay or amend it in 2013, and September 2010, they voted on a party line to shoot down a bill to disapprove the DHHS/CMS Rule relating to status as a Grandfathered Plan under the PPACA. Senate candidates such as Mary Landrieu (D-LA) and Mark Pryor (D-AR) will have great difficulty explaining those votes to a disgruntled constituency, and will many other candidates in swing states. People must sign up by December 15th to have insurance effective January 1st. Unless they can attract and sign up massive numbers by December 15th, there will be lots more uninsured. Unless they attract paying signups, the system will hemorrhage red ink. Whatever they do, there will be a great many very angry voters looking for someone to blame and vote against. While the battling GOP may not offer much or anything to the independent voter on substance, they can offer that they are not the other guy or the other party that people want to vote against. In 2012, many independents just stayed home. Some conservatives joined them. These elections will be state rather than national, much less under the control of GOP HQ. More people will be motivated to turn out to vote against something (Bush/Cheney 2008, Obamacare 2014) than for something. Republicans can win if independents turn out to vote against Obamacare. Such voters should have no difficulty identifying who opposed Obamacare the most when deciding a primary for a conservative or moderate, whether the conservative officially aligns with the Tea Party or not.
"Republicans can win if independents turn out to vote against Obamacare." ok, that's possible.......... But with the exception of voting "against" something or someone...... what do the republicans offer a voter whose approval of either party in congress is below the Mendoza line..... Nothing. Without the Independents....the GOP lose Nationwide. JMHO
and one other thought.... Is this the best the republicans have?
what do the republicans offer a voter whose approval of either party in congress is below the Mendoza line..... Nothing. On the assumption that Obamacare is an epic fail, the GOP offers to delay, obstruct, and repeal the ACA. If Obamacare performs miracles and does not piss off too many people, the Dems are in good shape. Voting against something is a powerful motivator. Obamacare reaches into American wallets and the voters will get monthly reminders for ten consecutive months leading up to the election. The near single digit approval of congress in general is never reflected at the polls. The voters disapprove of the other 434 pork providers and reelect their congress critter who successful delivers pork to their district. The Cuccinelli/McAuliffe race is interesting. A poll indicates that if the Libertarian Sarvis voters (about 11% and solid) were to choose differently, "More than a third (37%) say they would vote for Cuccinelli, and nearly the same amount (38%) say they would not vote. Only 17% say they would vote for McAuliffe, suggesting Sarvis is hurting Cuccinelli more than McAuliffe." I believe this conclusion is wrong in its expansiveness if it refers to the 2014 elections. Even Mitt Romney won a majority of the congressional districts. This sort of result is likely to repeat as the 2010 results gave the GOP the power to do the gerrymandering of the districts.
An Obamacare epic fail may be all they need. At this point, there is no credible denial that Obama blatantly lied to the American people when selling his health care plan. The lie is far more substantial than the G.H.W. Bush proclamation, "Read my lips, no new taxes." We know what that did for Poppy against Clinton.
Nothing. Less taxes. Not using the government to further the agenda of perverts and freaks. Less spending on programs so we have more freedom. Stop the murder of babies. Get rid of NAFTA, GATT to bring jobs back here. Stop blowing up foreigners at weddings. This is an example of Tea party Republicans.
JMHO I believe your point, as stated, is valid. However, recent events are taking a toll on Obama's approval rating with independents. With the website expected to be unusable for at least another month, this hit is likely to continue for a while. in Politics Monday, November 04, 2013 The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove (see trends). Eighty-three percent (83%) of Democrats approve of the job the president is doing. Eighty-four percent (84%) of Republicans and 62% of unaffiliated voters disapprove. The latest figures include 25% of all likely voters who Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president and 42% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17. [snip]
Political analysts keep making Christine O’Donnell’s U.S. Senate race the centerpiece of the Party’s struggle. So we are forced to revisit it. Attacks claiming ‘baggage’ began in December 2009, long before the September 10, 2010, primary. But the more GOP royalty told voters they mustn’t vote for Christine, the more enthusiastically voters lined up to kick Mike Castle out. The very act of telling Republican voters whom they ‘must’ nominate convinces them to volunteer and vote for the other guy.
#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#3. To: nolu chan (#2)
The Dem disaster of Obamacare is just beginning. When the website gets up, it will only get worse. They can not fix it, test it, and have it near 100% stable and reliable in a month.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)
Elites thundered mightily before the primaries, loudly warning the voters don’t you dare nominate so-and-so. Republican voters heard – and completely rejected – that message.
#5. To: nolu chan (#2)
I don't think O'Donnell was an effective candidate
#6. To: CZ82 (#4)
And some people still think we have to start a Third Party because taking over the current Republican Party is impossible.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#5)
The dumbest thing she did was make an ad saying she is not a witch. Dumb imo.
#8. To: CZ82 (#3)
And when more people figure out the company who made the website is just basically a money laundering front for the Dems (via "The First Hag") it will get even worse.
#9. To: A K A Stone, CZ82 (#6)
Are you going to help take it over by starting to vote? Like for Ted Cruz or Rand Paul. Or sooner in 2014?
"Her work as secretary of state, with the exception of this issue of Benghazi – which isn't going away – I think has been outstanding. I think she would be viewed by anyone, Republican or Democrat, as a very formidable candidate for 2016."
#10. To: A K A Stone (#0)
How GOP Insiders Will Fail in Civil War.....
#11. To: Jameson (#10)
Will the gopers spend the next 11 months whining and bitching about the tea- baggers acting like conspiracy loving whack-jobs, or the country-club 1 percenters not hating the 99% enough.....
#12. To: A K A Stone (#6)
#13. To: Jameson, AKA Stone (#10)
#14. To: CZ82 (#12)
#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)
#16. To: CZ82 (#15)
You have to replace the establishment hierarchy starting at the county level and letting them work their way up to the state and national party levels.
#17. To: CZ82, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#4)
And some people still think we have to start a Third Party because taking over the current Republican Party is impossible.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote Third Party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#18. To: A K A Stone, hondo68 (#16)
(Edited)
#19. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Will the gopers spend the next 11 months whining and bitching about the tea- baggers acting like conspiracy loving whack-jobs, or the country-club 1 percenters not hating the 99% enough.....
#20. To: Jameson (#19)
1. The tea-baggers are conspiracy loving whack jobs....
#21. To: CZ82 (#18)
If you don't replace these people
#22. To: Jameson, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#19)
Please explain where I am wrong.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote Third Party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
If you don't replace these people
#24. To: hondo68, Jameson (#22)
You've overlooked the fact that the Democrat wing is the same, except that they love killing black babies in the ghetto more.
#25. To: A K A Stone (#20)
That is a bit of a generalization. You offer no specdifics.
#26. To: hondo68 (#22)
You've overlooked the fact the the Democrat wing is the same,
#27. To: A K A Stone (#0)
GOP insiders have now declared war on the tea party.
#28. To: Jameson, A K A Stone (#25)
#29. To: Jameson, A K A Stone, CZ82, hondo68 (#10)
Civil war.......
#30. To: nolu chan (#29)
More people will be motivated to turn out to vote against something,than for something. Republicans can win if independents turn out to vote against Obamacare.
#31. To: nolu chan (#29)
#32. To: Jameson (#30)
But with the exception of voting "against" something or someone......
Without the Independents....the GOP lose Nationwide.
#33. To: Jameson (#31)
Is this the best the republicans have?
#34. To: Jameson (#30)
what do the republicans offer a voter whose approval of either party in congress is below the Mendoza line.....
#35. To: Jameson (#30)
Without the Independents....the GOP lose Nationwide.
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