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Title: Biblical scholar ... claims Jesus was invented --- by Romans
Source: dailycaller.com
URL Source: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/09/b ... -jesus-was-invented-by-romans/
Published: Oct 9, 2013
Author: Chuck Ross
Post Date: 2013-10-09 22:21:13 by BorisY
Keywords: crock pot of ages - loons, crock pot of ages - loons, crock pot of ages - loons
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Comments: 2

Biblical scholar claims Jesus was invented by Romans

10/09/2013

Chuck Ross

Reporter, Daily Caller News Foundation

An American Biblical scholar is set to argue that Jesus Christ was invented by the Romans.

Joseph Atwill said he will present his findings in London later this month. The purpose of the presentation — titled “Covert Messiah” — is that “alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods,” said Atwill.

Famed atheist Richard Dawkins circulated the press release for Atwill’s gig on Twitter but said that he did not necessarily endorse Atwill’s findings.

Dawkins argued that it doesn’t matter whether or not Jesus existed. “Gospels clearly mostly false (virgin birth, miracles etc). The possibility that Jesus didn’t exist at all is of only marginal extra interest,” tweeted the prickly atheist icon.

Atwill maintains that governments — including the Romans — create those “false” histories and gods “to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people.”

“When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare,” said Atwill, whose talk is sub-headlined, “Is Christianity the Genesis of Modern Psychological Warfare?”

“That’s when the ‘peaceful’ Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to ‘give onto Caesar’ and pay their taxes to Rome,” said Atwill, who claims that his book “Caeser’s Messiah” was the best-selling work of religious history in 2007.

Atwill says that the story of Jesus mirrors the military campaigns of Roman Emperor Titus Flavius. “The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar,” said Atwill.

Atwill’s theory is a departure from those of other agnostics. Many Biblical scholars who do not believe in the divinity of Jesus nevertheless accept he existed.

Bart Ehrman, a popular Biblical scholar at the University of North Carolina whose most recent book “Did Jesus Exist?” tackles many “mythicist” theories, calls Atwill’s theory crazier than most.”

“I don’t deal with [Atwill] simply because he’s not a big deal even among the conspiracy-theory mythicists themselves,” Ehrman told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Ehrman, an agnostic who has written books arguing that parts of the New Testament are forgeries, still maintains that Jesus existed. Mythicists, he argues, merely seek to tear down Christianity.

“And what better way to malign the religious views of the vast majority of religious persons in the Western world, which remains, despite everything, overwhelmingly Christian, than to claim that the historical founder of their religion was in fact the figment of his followers’ imagination?” wrote Ehrman in a Huffington Post column.

This seems to be Atwill’s intention. “Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history,” said Atwill.

“To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/09/biblical-scholar-claims-jesus-was-invented-by-romans/#ixzz2hHF90zxj


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#1. To: BorisY (#0)

Richard Dawkins

Retarded moron. Hell worm.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-10-10   6:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BorisY, A K A Stone (#0)

Here are my various posts at LP on the subject:

#8. To: byeltsin, Vicomte13, GarySpFc (#0) Maybe these atheist and agnostics need to have a convention and get their stories straight. For years they claimed there was scant evidence in Roman history/records about the existence of Jesus. Now they are saying Rome made up a bogus account. The atheist/agnostic stories are all over the map. I guess they dismiss the hard evidence Sir William Ramsay dug up about a century ago which confirms most of Luke's historical references.

I don't remember the source of the quote but will give it a shot...How can we explain thousands of people, then leading to millions willing to die for a bogus Psyop message? If Atwils thesis claims people followed a psyop to their deaths, then he is an idiot. Maybe he would but not even Iraqis were fooled enough to die for information alone.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-09 23:14:16 ET Reply Trace

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #9. To: Vicomte13 (#1) Did you hear there is a theology prof. at Notre Dame claiming in her book that Christians were never persecuted because they were good citizens? Another idiot book. If she knew her history she would know the reason Christians were persecuted and fed to wild animals was because they refused to worship the emperor.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-09 23:18:22 ET Reply Trace

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #7. To: cranky (#0) Yeah, right. All of Jesus' apostles except Saint John willingly allowed themselves to be tortured to death rather than admit that their Master was a fictional character. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Next: Newly-found evidence proves that Socrates was really a twelve-year-old girl named Agnes!

B-chan posted on 2013-10-09 22:51:20 ET Reply Trace

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #8. To: B-chan (#7) LOL I said something similar on the other thread with the same book release title. People don't willingly feed themselves to wild animals for a bogus psyop campaign. I think Christians hit a nerve lately with all the salvos against evolution. This is a weak sorry response. I don't know who they are fooling. We Christians KNOW God is Truth.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-09 23:32:25 ET Reply Trace

#12. To: RISU (#1) No keep O'Reilly's book. He actually did some credible research. I wonder if this clown realizes that if Rome actually did create a peaceful counter messiah that it blew up in their faces and failed. Judea was not pacified with the perceived "hoax" and it required a major war to obliterate the Jewish zealots. Plus their amazing psyop campaign ended up moving from the Jews to the diaspora and "infected" the Roman Gentile world eventually crushing the Roman empire. So I hope his book addresses how this fake master plan was a complete failure and had the opposite effect.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-10 0:11:07 ET Reply Trace

#14. To: Don (#4) Yes that is correct. I wonder how this clown looks himself in the mirror and calls himself a "Biblical scholar."

His premise is Rome created a hoax messiah to pacify Judea. I wonder if he discusses in his book how this grand strategy failed. Judea turned into a nightmare of war and genocide ending with the destruction of Jerusalem. Then the hoax message spread throughout the Roman empire and eventually led to its demise. This hoax was so convincing people died to defend it instead of denying it. Good luck selling this book.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-10 0:26:47 ET Reply Trace

#20. To: misterwhite (#18)

So we're expected to believe the entire story of Jesus Christ was fabricated, not the confessions. The promo for this book reads like a bad Templar fiction book.

There was a poster a few years back who claimed Pope Leo X made a statement that the "church" made up the story of Jesus and scriptures to control the people of Europe. This "author" is probably using the claim of Leo.

As I stated above...If Rome truly made up Jesus by an amalgam of 'stories' circulating Judea to pacify the Jews, then it failed. Judea was not "pacified" until Rome utterly destroyed the zealots in a major campaign of slashing, burning and genocide. So if that is his premise, then he will have to admit it failed for Rome.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-10 12:54:24 ET Reply Trace

#21. To: Don (#4)

The enemies of Christ won't stop until The Lord sends them into The Lake of Fire.

I will split this up in two posts. First your above comment. Agree. Paul had something to say about this in Romans Chapter 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-10 12:58:40 ET Reply Trace

#22. To: Don, GarySpFc (#4)

The enemies of Christ won't stop until The Lord sends them into The Lake of Fire.

Now the second part:

Christians have over the years presented the myth of evolution. When asked using their own scientific method, the evolutionist has to admit we cannot observe macro-evolution and admit they have a "faith" or "belief" in their theory.

So knowing they can't 'win' the argument with their own theories, they have to attack anything deemed as Christian evidence for the existence of God, specifically that there is not evidence Jesus existed. Well we do have historical accounts other than the Bible that points to a historical Jesus. Well we know they (atheists/agnostics/skeptics) already infected academia with the hand wave that the Bible is a book of fables so they won't even consider the Bible as a historical record even though as the years go on the mounting physical evidence goes against their fairy tale hand wave. So they gave up on that angle because first, the evidence was mounting against them, and second because we keep pointing out their "faith" evolution is the real fairy tale requiring blind faith (leap in the dark).

So now they have to attack the "secular" documents that exist pointing to a real earth walking Jesus Christ. So over the years they have with little evidence said Josephus' accounts were tampered with. Well Christians said well fine you have no evidence they were altered and the majority of scholars dont' think they were...But even if we "give" them that, there is this one historical FACT they can't get around...The Christian Church has been around since the time of Christ and continues to flourish. And this Christian Church has this Bible which not one of them has evidence is false. So they are left with their very last gasp...

They now have to figure out a way for the this whole Christian thing and Jesus following as a huge conspiracy theory promoted by the Roman government. Gone are the days of their "honest" assessment of "yeah Jesus was historical, but the miracles etc are fable" to now "He never existed! He was a concept driven by Rome to pacify the Jews."

So these deniers, atheists, agnostics etc., failed miserably attacking the tangible historical evidence of Jesus Christ and His Church. They know they failed. Therefore, they have to attack the "intangible", the message itself. That is what this book is trying to do.

I ask again, if Rome fashioned this Psyop campaign in Judea, the author must explain how it failed. Judea was NOT pacified, instead it got worse there, so the Psyop plan was a failure. Plus as any good Psyoper will tell you...it is bad form, bad policy to "kill" martyr your key psyop figure. Creating martyrs is VERY bad for pacification. Just ask USCENTCOM, MNF-I and MNC-I that. And OBTW, this wonderful pysop campaign eventually infected the entire empire and led to its demise.

redleghunter posted on 2013-10-10 13:27:01 ET Reply Trace

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2013-10-10   14:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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