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Title: A Mt. Carmel Moment (Affordable Care Act)
Source: Huckabee
URL Source: http://www.mikehuckabee.com/2013/9/my-show-opening-monologue
Published: Sep 29, 2013
Author: Mike Huckabee
Post Date: 2013-09-29 01:04:45 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 6803
Comments: 16

Sep 28 2013

My Show Opening Monologue

Mike Huckabee

Brace yourself because I think there’s one aspect of Obamacare where the President is absolutely right: (SOT) The Republicans need to stop fighting among themselves about who dislikes Obamacare the most. Every single Republican in both the House and Senate voted against it. Every one. Not one Republican is on the hook for Obamacare. The Democrats own it--totally and completely. And if the Republicans in the House and Senate feel as I do that it really is a job-killing, economy-busting disaster that will increase costs, raise taxes, limit medical choices, and leave people in the lurches, then I want to suggest a way to fight it more effectively. All the Republicans in both the House and Senate voted to defund and or delay Obamacare, but they didn’t have the votes. So, my advice is simple: Give the Democrats Obamacare under these conditions: No delays for anyone. Not big business, not small business, not labor unions, not states, not members of Congress or their staffs. And no exemptions. None. Not one group gets an exemption from Obamacare. Especially not Congress or their staff. Make the Democrats eat their own cooking. If they think it’s good for our plates, then they need to put it on their plates too and take the first bite. Republicans can’t really defund Obamacare because the votes just aren’t there. So draft a bill that funds it, but which allows no exceptions for delays and no exemptions for anyone to avoid it. And add this provision based on the President’s proposal: write in the bill a sunset clause. The bill automatically expires and has to be reauthorized on January 15, 2015. If it’s as good as President Obama and Democrats say it is, they public will love it so much they will insist that it be reauthorized. If it’s as disastrous as Republicans, the general public, and I think it will be, then Republicans will win enough elections next year to gain control of the Senate with a likely super majority and add enough numbers in the House to override a Presidential veto. I sometimes see things through Biblical lessons so here’s the lesson. This is a Mt. Carmel moment. Remember that great moment from the book of I Kings, Chapter 18, when the prophet Elijah challenged 450 prophets of Baal to meet him on Mt. Carmel? Elijah didn’t try to delay or defund those false prophets. He told them they could take their best shot to call fire from heaven, and he would as well. There were 450 of them; just one of him. They tried for hours to call for fire to fall and they had no fire. Elijah, being a good sport, didn’t mind being outnumbered 450-1. He even ordered the wood around the altar to be drenched with water so any fire would have a hard time consuming his offering. He so believed he was following the right God that he put everything on the line—in public for the world to see. No middle of the night backroom deals—all out in the open. And when Elijah called, the fire fell and the sacrifice and the altar were consumed. My plan for the Republicans: Give the Democrats what they want for one year. Make it clear to the American public that it belongs to the Democrats. If it works like President Obama, Harry Reid, Hillary and Nancy Pelosi claim, then America will be better off and I will take to any platform or stage to apologize and acknowledge they were right and we were wrong. But if the people of America are as disgusted with it as I predict they will be, then Obamacare will end January 15, 2015 and Republicans will control both the House and Senate and be poised to elect a Republican President in 2016. Having convictions is one thing. Risking everything for them is political courage. We need that kind of confident courage in the Congress today. That’s how we stop Obamacare.

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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)

So, my advice is simple: Give the Democrats Obamacare under these conditions: No delays for anyone.

Screw the huckster. The congress is under no obligation to fund Obamahate. Tell Harry Reid to fuck off.

Mike is Disingenuous when he says every Republican voted to defund Obamahate. If they voted to defund it and they have convictions. They will not budge.

Oh yes. Did I tell you that Obama is fly bait.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-09-29   9:51:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

nder the stated conditions,

Give the Democrats Obamacare under these conditions: No delays for anyone. Not big business, not small business, not labor unions, not states, not members of Congress or their staffs. And no exemptions. None. Not one group gets an exemption from Obamacare. Especially not Congress or their staff. Make the Democrats eat their own cooking.

Do you believe Obama would accept the funding?

Do you doubt the whole thing would collapse? Failed implementation would be bad for the country but good for the GOP as a party. Prevented implementation may prove beneficial to the Democratic party.

Delay should be interesting as people should find out what is in the offered policies on Tuesday. Cheaper policies may offer very high deductibles and very small networks of medical providers. If healthy young people do not sign up, the whole thing falls on its face.

nolu chan  posted on  2013-09-29   11:23:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nolu chan (#2)

If healthy young people do not sign up, the whole thing falls on its face.

Well young people aren't going to buy it. They can't afford it. Hardly anyone can afford it.

Here is my idea.

Outlaw insurance it is sort of like a ponzi scheme.

Then the hospitals would have to charge what people can afford.

I know it is not a perfect solution or maybe not at all. I don't have the answer. Maybe some people just die and some live. They way it has always been. Instead of building a utopian bullshit dream.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-09-29   11:47:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Here is my idea.

Outlaw insurance it is sort of like a ponzi scheme.

Then the hospitals would have to charge what people can afford.

The people have a limited amount of dollars to spend on health care. The current system pits the insurance companies and the health care providers in a fight to get a bigger share of the pie. The insurance company makes more by paying less. The provider makes more by providing every service the insurance will pay for. If the patient were paying for it (the old days), the doctor would do less, with the doctor and patient balancing needs and affordability. The patient price control has been removed. It was quite different fifty or sixty years ago when insurance was not nearly universal.

As for a government system, if there is to be one, the only one that makes economic sense is the single-payer system such as the UK National Health Insurance that eliminates the for-profit health insurance companies.

nolu chan  posted on  2013-09-29   13:41:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#13)

my advice is simple: Give the Democrats Obamacare under these conditions: No delays for anyone. Not big business, not small business, not labor unions, not states, not members of Congress or their staffs. And no exemptions. None. Not one group gets an exemption from Obamacare. Especially not Congress or their staff. Make the Democrats eat their own cooking. If they think it’s good for our plates, then they need to put it on their plates too and take the first bite.

Yeah.....

The ACA was signed into law in 2010.....

plenty of time to have made some adjustments.

Instead the right wingers have repeatedly (40 times?) wasted their time and our money trying to repeal the law.

Now they've painted themselves into a corner that might quite possibly destroy their party.

Jameson  posted on  2013-09-29   13:49:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jameson (#14)

Now they've painted themselves into a corner that might quite possibly destroy their party.

Time was not the factor that has prevented adjustments. Political polarization has ensured that adjustments will not happen except for the unilateral adjustment by the Executive, which many see as a mere usurpation of the power of the Legislature, the function of the Executive being to execute the laws as written, not to execute only preferred portions while exempting others.

Whether the GOP has painted itself into a corner is yet to be determined. Somebody will give in and I believe it will most likely be the House republicans. Even so, it will not destroy the Republican party if the ACA blows up. When the IRS commences collecting the Individual Mandate tax (f/k/a penalty) from healthy young people who do not volunteer to participate, it will cost a large number of votes from a group that has largely supported the Democrats in recent years. People coverted to part-time jobs or had their hours reduced to less than 30 will also be angry. And there will be at least hundreds of thousands who have had their employer health benefits terminated.

The only possible the House way can shut down the government is by not passing a funding bill at all. Once they pass a funding bill, as they have done, the only ones who can shut the government down are the Senate by voting it down, or the President by vetoing it. It is undeniable that enacting the House bill into law cannot result in a government shut down. A vote against the House bill or a veto may result in a government shut down by refusing to accept the funding offered therein.

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