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Title: Obama administration backs prayer at local government meetings
Source: LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw ... rayer-20130809,0,6470966.story
Published: Aug 9, 2013
Author: David G. Savage
Post Date: 2013-08-09 12:37:29 by Hondo68
Keywords: None
Views: 3708
Comments: 7

Greece, N.Y., prayer
Members of the Greece, N.Y., town council pray before a recent meeting. The prayers are the focus of a U.S. Supreme Court fight. (Heather Ainsworth / Bloomberg / July 22, 2013)

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration and congressional Republicans have found something to agree on: Town councils should be allowed to open their meetings with a Christian prayer.

Lawyers for the administration and two groups of lawmakers from the House and Senate, nearly all Republicans, separately made that argument in briefs to the Supreme Court this week. The high court should relax the constitutional limits on religious invocations at government meetings, they argued.

The case could lead to a major change in the law on religion that would go well beyond prayers at council meetings.

Last year, a federal appeals court ruled that the town of Greece, N.Y., near Rochester, had crossed the line and violated the 1st Amendment's ban on an "establishment of religion." For years, the town supervisor had invited a local minister to deliver an opening prayer at the council's monthly meeting. Members of the audience were encouraged to join in the prayers.

Two residents, one Jewish and one an atheist, had complained for several years that the prayers were offensive and inappropriate. Until they sued in 2008, only Christians had been invited to lead the prayers.

Looked at through the eyes of a "reasonable observer," the town's prayer policy "must be viewed as an endorsement of … a Christian viewpoint," the U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals said in ruling against the town.

The justices agreed in May to hear the town's appeal this fall.

The case has drawn attention because it could provide the court's conservative majority an opportunity to alter a legal rule that dates to the 1980s and a set of opinions by then-Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. Her decisions said government actions would violate the 1st Amendment if they appeared to "endorse" religion. That rule has been followed in cases saying that government agencies cannot display the Ten Commandments in their buildings or host Nativity scenes at Christmas.

But O'Connor's "endorsement" standard, which remains the law, can be difficult to interpret. Part of the difficulty is that what one person perceives as endorsement of religion might seem completely benign to someone else. The standard has often led to disputed rulings and widely differing decisions among lower courts.

In the current case, the Obama administration has told the court that Greece's practice should not be considered an endorsement. The town council's opening of its meetings with a Christian prayer "does not amount to an unconstitutional establishment of religion merely because most prayer-givers are Christian and many or most of their prayers contain sectarian references," wrote U.S. Solicitor Gen. Donald Verrilli Jr.

He noted that the House and Senate had official chaplains and that the court in 1983 upheld opening prayers in state legislatures. If local councils may have religious invocations, the law should not require them to "closely police the content of prayers," he said.

Eighty-five House members and 34 senators joined two friend-of-the-court briefs that also urged the court to make clear that prayers and religious invocations are constitutional. They had not expected the administration would weigh in as well.

The administration's filing was "a surprisingly conservative brief, and it came as a pleasant surprise," said Ken Klukowski, a lawyer for the Family Research Council, who filed the brief for the House members. "It's gratifying that even the Obama administration recognizes that courts are not qualified to censor prayers."

Administration lawyers may hope that by siding with the town, they can head off a more sweeping ruling. The court's conservatives have long wanted to scrap the endorsement standard. They would prefer a rule that schools and local governments may invoke religion and Christianity so long as no unwilling person is forced to join in.

Lawyers refer to this as the "coercion" standard, and Klukowski's brief urges the court to adopt it in the New York case.

Several of the justices have clearly been looking for a case that would test the issue. For weeks this spring they debated whether to take up an appeal from the Elmbrook, Wis., School District, which had been sued for holding its graduation ceremonies in an evangelical Christian church. The U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago had decided that practice was unconstitutional.

The appeal from Greece raised much the same issue, but in the context of a town council meeting rather than a public school. Putting the Wisconsin case on hold, the court agreed to decide the case from New York.

"This is a big deal of a case because of what it could mean. And it makes the administration's position doubly disappointing," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which represented the two women in the New York case. "A town council meeting is not like a church service, and it shouldn't be treated like it is."


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They want to make Obama worship mandatory!

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

No way can Obummer afford to cut the local Rev-Runds off at the knees that are his useful Lt's that get out the vote and tell the faithful to vote early and vote often.

If he were to cut into their money and powerbase (managing where the government handouts go and who gets paid how much) they would disappear so quickly you would wonder if they had ever been there. The Rev-Runds probably have more power in the Dim Party now than the union bosses. NOBODY is more faithful.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2013-08-09   14:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#0)

I wonder when this US attorney will get the ax. This is just the stupidest use of court time. Only a stoopid liberal would think that uttering a prayer = forcing religion on anybody or anything! Only stoopid liberals believe that shooting a black teenager = racism.

rowdee  posted on  2013-08-09   15:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#0)

The administration's filing was "a surprisingly conservative brief, and it came as a pleasant surprise," said Ken Klukowski, a lawyer for the Family Research Council, who filed the brief for the House members. "It's gratifying that even the Obama administration recognizes that courts are not qualified to censor prayers."

No. Obama feared the Supreme court making a correct ruling on the first amendment.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-08-09   20:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: rowdee (#2)

Only stoopid liberals believe that shooting a black teenager = racism.

Why do you think liberals are so stupid?

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-08-09   20:59:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#3) (Edited)

Obama feared the Supreme court making a correct ruling

He doesn't fear being wrong, he's used to it. IMO Hillary ordered him to cool it, or she'll release his file to wikileaks and Orly Taitz.

She's started her campaign for '16, and he's an embarrassment, even to a Clinton.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote Third Party


"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2013-08-09   21:10:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#4) (Edited)

If you have to ask, should I presume that you are one--hence, the question.

rowdee  posted on  2013-08-10   0:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: rowdee (#6)

I was just giving you a softball to hit out of the park.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-08-10   8:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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