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Title: 14th Amendment Citizenship
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Published: Jul 24, 2013
Author: Senators Trumbull, Howard and Williams -
Post Date: 2013-07-24 11:23:20 by We The People
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Views: 15841
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14th Amendment Citizenship

"[T]he provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Not my words. Those are the words of Senator Trumbull, one of two Senators that drafted the 14th.

Here's some further explanations by Senators Trumbull and Howard:

"The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

Senator Howard

"Trumbull continues, "Can you sue a Navajo Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we wouldn't make treaties with them...It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens; and there can be no objection to the proposition that such persons should be citizens."

Senator Trumbull

Mr. HOWARD: "I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word "jurisdiction," as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now."

Then there's the on-record statement of Senator Williams:

"In one sense, all persons born within the geographical limits of the United States are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States in every sense. Take the child of an ambassador. In one sense, that child born in the United States is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, because if that child commits the crime of murder, or commits any other crime against the laws of the country, to a certain extent he is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but not in every respect; and so with these Indians. All persons living within a judicial district may be said, in one sense, to be subject to the jurisdiction of the court in that district, but they are not in every sense subject to the jurisdiction of the court until they are brought, by proper process, within the reach of the power of the court. I understand the words here, 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,' to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."

Then "natural born citizen" is clarified by Representative John Bingham, often considered the "father" of the 14th:

"[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen"

Then of course, we have the oath of citizenship:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen..."


Poster Comment:

Obama does not qualify to be President of the United States of America. Period.

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#1. To: We The People (#0)

Obama does not qualify to be President of the United States of America. Period.

So, what is the number(s) of the code that specifically states the qualifications for president, their definitions, and what law was broken?

mininggold  posted on  2013-07-24   12:41:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: mininggold (#1)

So, what is the number(s) of the code that specifically states the qualifications for president, their definitions, and what law was broken?

LOL!

The "number of the code" is Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution that states "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

We The People  posted on  2013-07-24   18:15:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: We The People, mininggold (#2)

U.S. Constitution, Article I, §8:

The Congress shall have Power…To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations

U.S. Constitution and Vattel’s Law of Nations: The Answer has been there All the Time!

That's Vattel's Law of Nations which defines Natural Born Citizen, that the Constitution refers to.

Obama, Mitt, and McCain are all ineligible to be president of the US. UK/Kenya, Mexico, and Panama... they're good to go. Fortunately Mitt's Mexican born father George never renounced his allegiance to Mexico, and neither did Mitt.

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#12. To: hondo68 (#3)

That's Vattel's Law of Nations which defines Natural Born Citizen, that the Constitution refers to.

I know that you're correct. I've made the same argument several times over. What I can't figure out is why others don't realize it.

We The People  posted on  2013-07-25 18:55:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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