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Title: ZIMMERMAN TRIAL MYTH BUSTERS
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Published: Jul 9, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-07-09 18:21:32 by CZ82
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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL MYTH BUSTERS: A MUST READ By Clash Daily / 9 July 2013 / 20 Comments AM MYTH #1 – It is against the law for a neighborhood watch member to be armed while on duty. ***FALSE*** ANSWER: There are no statutes or administrative code that governs neighborhood watch. The only Florida statutes that mention neighborhood watch specifically are: 1. §843.16(2)(b) [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/0843.16 ] which governs radio equipment use. 2. §30.06 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/30.06 ] which provides authorization for the County Sheriff to form neighborhood watch programs within their jurisdiction. 3. §166.0485 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/166.0485 ] which provides authorization for municipalities to form neighborhood watch programs within their jurisdiction. 4. §843.20 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/843.20 ] which provides for relief if members of a neighborhood watch program are victims of harassment or other criminal acts against them for performing their duties. Nowhere in the above statutes listed in 1-4 does it mention anything about weapons or firearms and the prohibition of carrying for the purpose of lawful self-defense. 5. §790.06(15) [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.06 ] which governs the statewide preemption of the regulation of concealed weapons and firearms. This is called the class W license or more commonly referred to as the concealed carry license. 6. §790.33 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.33 ] which governs the statewide preemption on the regulation of firearms and ammunition. 7. §790.06(12)(a) [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.06 ] which governs the EXCLUSIONS to concealed carry. 8. §790.25 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.25] which governs the EXCEPTIONS to the open carry and conceal carry ban (except concealment on or about your person without a class W license). Again, nowhere in these statutes that I’ve listed in 5-8 mentions that concealed carry during the duty of a neighborhood crime watch volunteer is prohibited. Furthermore, these statutes specifically state that a neither the county, municipality nor any political subdivision of the state OTHER THAN the state legislature can FURTHER regulate concealed carry, possession and use of firearms! Therefore, as the state’s witness for the Sanford PD (SPD) volunteer coordinator stated on the stand, and I paraphrase, “…When that topic [armed] comes up, which it does a lot, we do not even answer that question because it is not within our area of jurisdiction. We do preach not to confront the subjects or enter a suspicious scene. They [neighborhood watch volunteers] are our eyes and ears. … .” MYTH #2 – When a non-emergency call taker, 911 operator or dispatch gives an instruction over the phone, you MUST follow that order. ***FALSE*** ANSWER: Having been a 911 Operator for a sheriff’s office here in Florida, this statement is completely false! The state’s witness 911 Operator even said on the stand, and I paraphrase, “…We always say that. … .” There is absolutely no statute or administrative code that stipulates that if an operator says something to you on the phone, you don’t follow it exactly or at all, then you will face criminal proceedings for not carrying out the order or instructions. The only time you have a potential criminal liability is if you do not follow and order or instruction if IN THE PRESENCE OF a law enforcement officer (LEO) directs you to assist him or comply with an order and you countermand said directive. Also, if you are following someone while on the phone with the police, you violate traffic laws and you are witnessed by the police in doing so, you will most likely get a ticket or worse depending upon the severity of the traffic infraction. These are just two examples as there are many more possibly scenarios. The distinction needs to be made that the criminal liability would occur when IN THE PRESENCE of a LEO and not based upon any instructions a police operator would give over the phone. Now the exact phrase in question was: Operator: “Are you following him?” Zimmerman: “Yes.” Operator: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.” Zimmerman: “OK.” And immediately following that exchange, Zimmerman actually had already lost sight of Treyvon Martin and was starting the exchange of information with the operator about where to meet the responding LEO’s. At this time, Zimmerman was behind the two rows of townhomes at the now infamous ‘T’. This is substantiated by both Zimmerman’s interview by SPD and his video reenactment; both of which were proffered by the state. MYTH #3 – Following someone is against the law. ***HALF TRUE*** ANSWER: While performing the duties of neighborhood crime watch, licensed private security, licensed private investigator, licensed private repossession or a concerned citizen that notices an out of ordinary event, following is NOT illegal. As a matter of fact, law enforcement encourages this by the consistent phrase of “We need the community to be our eyes and ears,” or, “Call Crime Stoppers with a tip.” Now this has an 1984-esque ring to it, but it underlies a critical component to, and specifically to this case, the main duties of the neighborhood crime watch program which is to observe and report. Here is the example that I alluded to in my opening remarks about “following”. Almost everyone is aware of the crime of stalking. All too often, supporters of Treyvon Martin state that George Zimmerman was “stalking” Treyvon Martin that night. Well, since this is a criminal proceeding, we do need to use the correct LEGAL terms in discussing the events that took place. Stalking is defined in §784.048 [http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/784.048 ] which states: (1) As used in this section: (a)“Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose. (b)“Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized protests. (c) “Credible threat” means a verbal or nonverbal threat, or a combination of the two, including threats delivered by electronic communication or implied by a pattern of conduct, which places the person who is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the person, and which is made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat to cause such harm. It is not necessary to prove that the person making the threat had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present incarceration of the person making the threat is not a bar to prosecution under this section. (2)A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Now to prove stalking in a court of law, the state must prove the following element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant “willfully, maliciously and REPEATEDLY followed, harassed or cyberstalked the victim.” [ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter8/p2c8s8.6.rtf ] Now, listening to the 911 Operator’s testimony, the SPD volunteer coordinator testimony and the 911 recording, all either exhibit or has been confirmed that George Zimmerman was professional in his conduct as a neighborhood crime watch volunteer during his tenure and his calm demeanor on the phone on the night of 2/26/12. That it would be extremely difficult to near impossible for the state to prove that Zimmerman was willful and maliciously harassing Treyvon Martin; especially since it was a SINGLE event. Therefore, when folks consistently use the term “stalking” in describing Zimmerman’s actions in this case, under Florida law, they would be 100% INCORRECT. MYTH #4 – The interchanging of terms: “Self-Defense”, “Stand Your Ground” and “Castle Doctrine”. ANSWER: These terms are NOT interchangeable. They are very specific terms based upon the specific scenarios. All of this is defined specifically in Chapter 776 of Florida Statutes. [ http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/Chapter776 ] “Stand Your Ground” (SYG): Self-defense is a component of SYG. Prior to 2005, if a self-defense scenario presented itself where deadly force was being used against a victim, the victim had a duty to retreat FIRST if that option was available before meeting with like kind deadly force in the protection of self or another. When SYG was instituted, it removed the duty to retreat and you could meet force with force; both less-than-lethal and deadly force. “Castle Doctrine”: This law provides for the presumption that someone attempting to gain entry to your OCCUPIED home (a type of dwelling) is going to cause great bodily harm or possible death. This states that the use of deadly force is AUTOMATICALLY authorized in the defense of your OCCUPIED home. This law was also extended to your private conveyance (car). “Self-Defense”: Is an act by a victim to reciprocate with necessary and proportional force in the defense of self, another or property. As it relates to property, you can only use force to protect property that which is yours or have been given authorization from the property owner to protect on their behalf. “Deadly Force”: The use of deadly force is authorized if the victim believes that he or she is in imminent fear of great bodily harm or possible death. Self-Defense, or the legal term of justified homicide, is proven according to these jury instructions: [ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter8/p2c7s7.7.rtf ] “The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon the defendant, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which the defendant was at the time of the killing. § 782.02, Fla. Stat” We will soon discuss the elements of the crimes 2nd Degree (Depraved) Murder and the automatic lesser charge of Manslaughter. The term “justified homicide” is defined in the jury instructions of Manslaughter which has already been cited above.
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#4. To: Brian S (#1)
The trial has been quite entertaining, and if the urban savages decide to riot they're gonna end up just like St. Skittles.
At issue is whether Zimmerman initially provoked the use of force against himself. If so found, the claim of self-defense may fail. At issue is when Zimmerman drew his weapon. The assertion that he unholstered his weapon while mounted by Trayvon Martin is questionable. FLORIDA Statute, Justifiable Use of Force, Title 47, Chap 776 by nolu chan
No convictions, but George Zimmerman's father was a judge.
If zimmerman had simply gone home... no one would have died. If Martin had simply stayed home... no one would have died. If Martin had not attacked Zimmerman....no one would have died. As it was,nobody important died anyhow. Who knows how many lives Zimmerman saved by shooting this wannabe thug this early in his criminal career?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No,they won't. Just like the last riots in Ca,they will riot and burn houses and businesses in their own community,and brutalize any white they happen to catch in "the hood",but they will stay the hell OUT of white neighborhoods and do no robbing,raping,burning,or murders there. Most may be stupid,but even they aren't THAT stupid. They just don't have the stones to attack whites unless they outnumber them by at least 5 to 1 and the whites are both unarmed and unaware they are being attacked.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Horse Hillary! You are legally justified to draw your weapon anytime you think you may be in danger. You just can't legally point or shoot it at anybody unless you are under attack.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I love how it really is about racism. So are there signs designating certain neighborhoods as "white only" in your state?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
It really is. That's what causes them to riot,rob,rape,and murder. They just flat hate whitey and blame ALL their problems on "de white mans". You can't even deny I'm wrong. Name the last time they went into white neighborhoods to burn houses and attack white people.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You can't even deny I'm wrong. Name the last time they went into white neighborhoods to burn houses and attack white people. And they are the ultimate conservatives because they learned from history. Sort of like how most Jews still don't really trust Christians.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Marxist stereotyping is all you have,isn't it?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
That's the only talking points her masters give her...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
It all depends on where he had his gun holstered... If it was in a shoulder holster, ankle holster or a small of the back holster it would be almost next to impossible for him to draw his weapon with Martin sitting on his chest... If it was on his hip he shouldn't have had too much of a problem... Without an eye witness I don't think you could assume he drew it any other time than when George said he drew it, unless his holster was located in one of the 3 "next to impossible" positions I mentioned above...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
I guess my question is what was the top two incidents related to, it doesn't say... Where the cops over exuberent about something irrelevent (and he didn't take their crap) or did he do something to deserve being arrested??? The bottom ones are pretty irrelavant since they were minor traffic violations...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
I was supposedly on Zimmerman's hip. It is difficult to get to a hip holster when someone is mounted on the "belly button area," as alleged by testimony.
The defense has attempted to essentially portray Zimmerman as fat person with no athletic ability who was physically incapable of learning the basics of fighting after nearly a year of MMA training at Kokopelli's Gym. I didn't forsee admissibility of the prior arrests but the defense may have opened the door to rebuttal testimony tending to show Zimmerman as capable of fighting. The defense rested and the prosecution stated an intent to call Arthur Fleisher (ph) tomorrow. The defense objected. The judge has withheld ruling until tomorrow. The cited Fleisher (ph) was identified as one of the officers involved in the 2005 case. The proffer indicated that the undercover cops dragged a friend of Zimmerman out of a bar and Zimmerman went outside and intervened. Allegedly the cop will testify that he identified himself as a cop and Zimmerman attacked him. The cop was identified as an agent of the Florida Bureau of Alcohol, Beverage and Tobacco.
I listened to some NYC Jewish bimbo NBC "legal advisor" talk about this on "The Toady Show" the other day. Being from NYC she of course knows all there is to know about weapons and how to carry them,and she informed Metrosexual Matt and whatever token fem he had working with him that "Zimmerman said he had the gun holstered on his hip and that means he was lying about Martin being on top of him and reaching for the gun because the gun was behind him and Martin could neither see nor reach it,so Zimmerman IS guilty of murder." To quote Don Henley,"the Bubble-headed bleach blonde" is so freaking ignorant she thinks a holster on the right hip is behind your back. And of course Metrosexual Matt and the fem token both nodded wisely and agreed with her because they both know everything there is to know about everything.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Not really. Not if you are motivated,and if you're not motivated by somebody straddling your chest and beating your head into the sidewalk,you will never be motivated.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
It would depend how where his knee was in relationship to the holster and where on the hip it was mounted... Most people don't wear it directly on the hip cause it's harder to carry concealed, (sticks out too far) it's easier to carry it farther back towards the kidneys riding high... Which would make him have to roll over slightly to gain access to it, and would take some time... Enough time for Martin to do the damge shown in the photos... He could also have carried it farther forward "Doc Holiday style" which would have made him try to reach under Martin (if he was "sitting" directly on his stomach) or would only have to reach behind Martins leg if Martin was up on his knees stradling George...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
That would explain the assault charges and why George acted that way... Most people do have a tendency to wade right in to help out a good friend, even if the guy identified himself as a cop... It's gotten to the point that if people don't see the uniform they just don't believe you're a cop, they figure "wanna be"...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
I don't see how you can stand to listen to those "mushroom dwellers" on TV??? It's bad enough reading what some of them have to say on here...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
The testimony indicated mounted MMA style, and today's witness specifically asserted mounted at the belly button area, not the chest area.
It's mostly background noise while I eat breakfast and reply to emails in the mornings. Sometimes a word will attract my attention and cause me to pay attention to what they are saying. AND....,if you don't know their methods or what they are saying,how can you prepare yourself to expose them for what they are?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
There is a style now for foolishness? Not that it makes any real difference when it comes to Zimmerman being able to pull his pistol from a hip holster.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Zimmerman claimed it was on his hip on the side. The expert testimony indicated that it was possible to inflict all of the Zimmerman head wounds with a single blow. He could have been bopped in the nose and fell, striking the back of his head. There were no traumatic injuries to the back of his head. There were no stiches and no medical care beyond cleaning him up. Expert medical testimony was contrary to the claims of Zimmerman repeatedly having his had slammed on concrete. The few facial injuries are contrary to the claims of Zimmerman having received dozens of blows. The claim of Martin having his hand over Zimmermans mouth is the complete lack of blood found on Martin's hands. Zimmerman had a Kel Tec PF-9 handgun. The ballistics expert testified that it has a double action firing mechanism, an automatic hammer block safety, and no thumb safety. This is confirmed by the Kel Tec website. It is safe to carry with a round chambered and with a full clip. Kel Tec calls it one of the flattest 9mm ever made. If the charge of 2nd degree murder fails, as seems likely, there will be lesser included offenses available to the jury, precisely what to be argued tomorrow. The issue of self-defense, if held for Zimmerman, will win the entire case for him. If the claim of self-defense fails, he would be headed for jail for one of the charges.
If Martin had not attacked Zimmerman I see you're biased..... and probably a bigot too. It was zimmerman who followed martin, that is simply a fact. It was zimmerman who was armed and zimmerman who engaged martin - facts. If you think an American youth, gunned down in his prime is no one important..... you are a big part of what is wrong in our nation. I pity you.
Pity yourself ! Hoodies in the mist ! George Orwell didn't know ... 1984 was going to be an ebonic --- tobacco road zooacracy ! Who could've of predicted that ! To Enza Ferreri The behavior written of in this book by David Horowitz is based on a single parent sub-culture raised on anti-white animosity and envy. Triggered by their racist hatred and a righteous indignation instilled and encouraged by a Leftist Hollywood and Public School Victimist Propaganda. Empowered by Liberals and their Entitlement Mentality. Often Ignored and Protected by the National News Media, Political Correctness and a corrupt DOJ. Forgiven by an endless list of Affirmative Excuses and Lowered Expectations. Glorified and sanitized beyond recognition by a fawning mass media on TV sitcoms, on the Movie screen, in Commercials, and Rap. This New Violent State is the chaotic new social dis-order, void of personal safety, common decency, and civilized behavior that the Liberal multi-cultists have forced upon us, and until America wakes up out of its blind obedience to Political Correctness and recognizes this behavior for what it is, ‘Black Racism, Anti-White Hatred’, and admit that it is a serious problem, violent crimes like those listed in Horowitz’s book will only get worse....much worse. Ignoring, down-playing or excusing black racism and anti-white hatred only empowers it and encourages it to grow. These Liberal/Leftists have created a hypocritical racist society where certain minorities are allowed to be as openly hateful and racist against the white majority as they want to be (in South Africa they are allowing just the opposite). The Obama DOJ is committed to protecting that racist hypocrisy. Whites who don’t like it, and who refuse to pretend not to notice, are expected to sit down and shut up. Those who don’t, are called “racists” and will be “investigated”. ‘1984’ isn’t fiction anymore...it is now. This has happened because for the last 50 years the Left along with Politically Correct Politicians has given a certain demographics ‘Officially Certified Victim’ status, complete with unconditional immunity from responsibility for their actions, no matter how detrimental to themselves, to others, to us, our neighborhoods, our cities, or the country as a whole. Their agenda is based on an unspoken rule of the Left and their mass media, in which ‘Officially Certified Victims’ must not be shown to have victims of their own. To do so would erode their Victim status in the eyes of the general majority population (where most of the money comes from to fund their many self- interest, race based entitlement programs). It would lesson the collective ‘white guilt’ they have used to get whites to accept being openly discriminated against in Affirmative Action, racial quotas, and race based set- a-sides. A Black Victim-hood and White Guilt-complex, black and white Liberal Democrats and their MSM, have worked hard to establish, control, exploit, and profit from for the last 50 years. As explained in this quote from Prof. William J. Bennetta of the Text Book League: “Sanitization is an indispensable part of this endeavor, because certified Victims must always be depicted as innocent, righteous paragons of humanity. The sanitization process consists largely of hiding or denying any facts which show that the Victims had victims of their own, whom they slaughtered, displaced, subjugated, enslaved or exploited.” They got us where they want us, and they don’t want to lose it. They know that they have to do everything in their power to maintain the media induced shroud of silence that has kept the majority demographics ignorant of the ever increasing abuse at their hands. Because God help them ... when the masses --- wake up. So expect this book to be ignored the MSM. 17 posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 4:13:35 PM by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3041396/posts#17
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Zen commentary Boris, keep it up
You're right. I have no time for mindless fools. Eat shit and die.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Jump starting ... evolution - Marxism in America --- is a bad idea !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Are those the only talking points your masters give you, or do you just like to blame all of "your own" shortcomings on others??? Or is it you expect the whole world to give you a free pass because you are too stupid to learn anything, like how to be a "responsible person" maybe??? (You Leftards never cease to amaze me, especially the young ones, no wonder you're trapped in Mommy's basement in perpetuity)!!!
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Quite a few guns are made "safetyless" for the very simple reason you don't have to remember to "flick off" the safety in a sudden/stressful engagement... I can't think of a single revolver style weapon that has one (but there doesn't mean there isn't one out there somewhere) and some manufacturers of semi- automatics have been doing it for over 30 years so it's not really a new idea, just real handy to have in a pinch...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
In that top picture I wish they would have cleaned his head up a little to get a better view of abrasions and bruises... It looks like "maybe" he hit his head twice on the concrete...
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
It appears more consistent with hitting his head on any hard surface after falling backward. It should be noted that the severity of Zimmerman's injuries do not determine the issue of self-defense. Zimmerman need only a reasonable belief of a threat of imminent severe bodily injury or death. A reasonable belief may be sustained in the absence of any injury. The Report documents Zimmerman being on prescribed Adderall. A documented side effect (among many) is "aggression/hostility." Also temezepam, an "intermediate-acting 3-hydroxy hypnotic of the benzodiazepine class of psychoactive drugs." Also omeprazole or Prilosec, and librax.
Sneakypete: "You're right." Sad but true.
yeah, you bet. please expand on your assertion. I'd like to hear what you think is wrong in "our" nation.
Heh heh heh.... You're funny. Go back to watching hannity.
chimpanzees ... are dangerous --- a lot of upper body strength ! The chimpanzee, one of the four species of great apes in the animal kingdom, is an extremely powerful animal. An adult male is approximately five times stronger than a male human being. Despite their use in motion pictures and circuses and their humanlike appearance, they can be extremely dangerous whether they intend it or not, simply because of their great strength. Read more: http://www.ehow.com/about_6669640_chimpanzee- strength.html#ixzz2YnL72dtI ps ... If they are on pcps --- why you need hi caliber hollow pt bullets !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
No,what is sad is you are too stupid to realize that YOU are a bigot and a racist.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Well, since the verdict is in we shall see. I hope I'm not disappointed... Godspeed...Snowden!
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
I just hope the riots are more entertaining than the trial.
#5. To: CZ82 (#0)
776.41 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.
#6. To: CZ82 (#0)
#7. To: Jameson (#3)
If zimmerman had simply gone home... no one would have died.
#8. To: Thunderbird (#4)
if the urban savages decide to riot they're gonna end up just like St. Skittles.
#9. To: nolu chan (#5)
At issue is when Zimmerman drew his weapon.
#10. To: sneakypete (#8)
No,they won't. Just like the last riots in Ca,they will riot and burn houses and businesses in their own community,and brutalize any white they happen to catch in "the hood",but they will stay the hell OUT of white neighborhoods and do no robbing,raping,burning,or murders there. Most may be stupid,but even they aren't THAT stupid. They just don't have the stones to attack whites unless they outnumber them by at least 5 to 1 and the whites are both unarmed and unaware they are being attacked.
#11. To: mininggold (#10)
(Edited)
I love how it really is about racism.
#12. To: sneakypete (#11)
It really is. That's what causes them to riot,rob,rape,and murder. They just flat hate whitey and blame ALL their problems on "de white mans".
#13. To: mininggold (#12)
And they are the ultimate conservatives because they learned from history. Sort of like how most Jews still don't really trust Christians.
#14. To: sneakypete (#13)
Marxist stereotyping is all you have,isn't it?
#15. To: nolu chan (#5)
At issue is when Zimmerman drew his weapon. The assertion that he unholstered his weapon while mounted by Trayvon Martin is questionable.
#16. To: nolu chan (#6)
#17. To: CZ82 (#15)
If it was on his hip he shouldn't have had too much of a problem...
#18. To: CZ82 (#16)
I guess my question is what was the top two incidents related to, it doesn't say... Where the cops over exuberent about something irrelevent (and he didn't take their crap) or did he do something to deserve being arrested???
#19. To: CZ82 (#15)
It all depends on where he had his gun holstered... If it was in a shoulder holster, ankle holster or a small of the back holster it would be almost next to impossible for him to draw his weapon with Martin sitting on his chest.
#20. To: nolu chan (#17)
It is difficult to get to a hip holster when someone is mounted on the "belly button area," as alleged by testimony.
#21. To: nolu chan (#17)
I was supposedly on Zimmerman's hip. It is difficult to get to a hip holster when someone is mounted on the "belly button area," as alleged by testimony.
#22. To: nolu chan (#18)
The proffer indicated that the undercover cops dragged a friend of Zimmerman out of a bar and Zimmerman went outside and intervened. Allegedly the cop will testify that he identified himself as a cop and Zimmerman attacked him.
#23. To: sneakypete (#19)
I listened to some NYC Jewish bimbo NBC "legal advisor" talk about this on "The Toady Show" the other day.
#24. To: sneakypete (#20)
Not if you are motivated,and if you're not motivated by somebody straddling your chest....
#25. To: CZ82 (#23)
I don't see how you can stand to listen to those "mushroom dwellers" on TV???
#26. To: nolu chan (#24)
(Edited)
The testimony indicated mounted MMA style, and today's witness specifically asserted mounted at the belly button area, not the chest area.
#27. To: CZ82 (#21)
It would depend how where his knee was in relationship to the holster and where on the hip it was mounted... Most people don't wear it directly on the hip cause it's harder to carry concealed, (sticks out too far) it's easier to carry it farther back towards the kidneys riding high... Which would make him have to roll over slightly to gain access to it, and would take some time... Enough time for Martin to do the damge shown in the photos...
The PF-9 is a semi-automatic, locked breech pistol, chambered for the 9mm Luger cartridge. It has been developed from our highly successful P-11 and P-3AT pistols with maximum concealability in mind. The PF-9 has a single stack magazine holding 7 rounds. It is one of the lightest and flattest 9 mm ever made. Firing mechanism is Double-Action Only with an automatic hammer block safety. The PF-9 is available in blued, parkerized, and hard chrome finishes. Grips are in black, grey, and olive drab.
#28. To: sneakypete (#7)
As it was,nobody important died anyhow.
#29. To: Jameson (#28)
(Edited)
#30. To: BorisY (#29)
Hoodies in the mist !
#31. To: Jameson (#28)
I see you're biased..... and probably a bigot too.
#32. To: Jameson (#28)
you are a big part of what is wrong in our nation.
#33. To: Jameson (#28)
I see you're biased..... and probably a bigot too.
#34. To: nolu chan (#27)
The ballistics expert testified that it has a double action firing mechanism, an automatic hammer block safety, and no thumb safety. This is confirmed by the Kel Tec website. It is safe to carry with a round chambered and with a full clip.
#35. To: nolu chan (#27)
#36. To: CZ82 (#35)
In that top picture I wish they would have cleaned his head up a little to get a better view of abrasions and bruises... It looks like "maybe" he hit his head twice on the concrete...
1. Scalp Lacerations: No sutures needed given well-approximated skin margins. Continue to clean with soap and water daily. We discussed the red flag symptoms that would warrant imaging given the type of assault he sustained. Given the type of trauma, we discussed that it is imperative he be seen with his Psychologist for evaluation.
2. Broken Nose: We discussed that is is likely broken, but does not appear to have septal deviation. The swelling and black eyes are typical of this injury. I recommended that he be evaluated by ENT but he refused.
#37. To: sneakypete (#31)
I see you're biased..... and probably a bigot too.
#38. To: BorisY (#32)
you are a big part of what is wrong in our nation.
#39. To: CZ82 (#33)
(You Leftards never cease to amaze me, especially the young ones, no wonder you're trapped in Mommy's basement in perpetuity)!!!
#40. To: Jameson (#38)
(Edited)
prime
#41. To: nolu chan (#36)
#42. To: Jameson (#37)
Sad but true.
#43. To: Thunderbird (#4)
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