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Title: ZIMMERMAN TRIAL MYTH BUSTERS
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Published: Jul 9, 2013
Author: clashdaily.com
Post Date: 2013-07-09 18:21:32 by CZ82
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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL MYTH BUSTERS: A MUST READ By Clash Daily / 9 July 2013 / 20 Comments AM MYTH #1 – It is against the law for a neighborhood watch member to be armed while on duty. ***FALSE*** ANSWER: There are no statutes or administrative code that governs neighborhood watch. The only Florida statutes that mention neighborhood watch specifically are: 1. §843.16(2)(b) [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/0843.16 ] which governs radio equipment use. 2. §30.06 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/30.06 ] which provides authorization for the County Sheriff to form neighborhood watch programs within their jurisdiction. 3. §166.0485 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/166.0485 ] which provides authorization for municipalities to form neighborhood watch programs within their jurisdiction. 4. §843.20 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/843.20 ] which provides for relief if members of a neighborhood watch program are victims of harassment or other criminal acts against them for performing their duties. Nowhere in the above statutes listed in 1-4 does it mention anything about weapons or firearms and the prohibition of carrying for the purpose of lawful self-defense. 5. §790.06(15) [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.06 ] which governs the statewide preemption of the regulation of concealed weapons and firearms. This is called the class W license or more commonly referred to as the concealed carry license. 6. §790.33 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.33 ] which governs the statewide preemption on the regulation of firearms and ammunition. 7. §790.06(12)(a) [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.06 ] which governs the EXCLUSIONS to concealed carry. 8. §790.25 [ http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/790.25] which governs the EXCEPTIONS to the open carry and conceal carry ban (except concealment on or about your person without a class W license). Again, nowhere in these statutes that I’ve listed in 5-8 mentions that concealed carry during the duty of a neighborhood crime watch volunteer is prohibited. Furthermore, these statutes specifically state that a neither the county, municipality nor any political subdivision of the state OTHER THAN the state legislature can FURTHER regulate concealed carry, possession and use of firearms! Therefore, as the state’s witness for the Sanford PD (SPD) volunteer coordinator stated on the stand, and I paraphrase, “…When that topic [armed] comes up, which it does a lot, we do not even answer that question because it is not within our area of jurisdiction. We do preach not to confront the subjects or enter a suspicious scene. They [neighborhood watch volunteers] are our eyes and ears. … .” MYTH #2 – When a non-emergency call taker, 911 operator or dispatch gives an instruction over the phone, you MUST follow that order. ***FALSE*** ANSWER: Having been a 911 Operator for a sheriff’s office here in Florida, this statement is completely false! The state’s witness 911 Operator even said on the stand, and I paraphrase, “…We always say that. … .” There is absolutely no statute or administrative code that stipulates that if an operator says something to you on the phone, you don’t follow it exactly or at all, then you will face criminal proceedings for not carrying out the order or instructions. The only time you have a potential criminal liability is if you do not follow and order or instruction if IN THE PRESENCE OF a law enforcement officer (LEO) directs you to assist him or comply with an order and you countermand said directive. Also, if you are following someone while on the phone with the police, you violate traffic laws and you are witnessed by the police in doing so, you will most likely get a ticket or worse depending upon the severity of the traffic infraction. These are just two examples as there are many more possibly scenarios. The distinction needs to be made that the criminal liability would occur when IN THE PRESENCE of a LEO and not based upon any instructions a police operator would give over the phone. Now the exact phrase in question was: Operator: “Are you following him?” Zimmerman: “Yes.” Operator: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.” Zimmerman: “OK.” And immediately following that exchange, Zimmerman actually had already lost sight of Treyvon Martin and was starting the exchange of information with the operator about where to meet the responding LEO’s. At this time, Zimmerman was behind the two rows of townhomes at the now infamous ‘T’. This is substantiated by both Zimmerman’s interview by SPD and his video reenactment; both of which were proffered by the state. MYTH #3 – Following someone is against the law. ***HALF TRUE*** ANSWER: While performing the duties of neighborhood crime watch, licensed private security, licensed private investigator, licensed private repossession or a concerned citizen that notices an out of ordinary event, following is NOT illegal. As a matter of fact, law enforcement encourages this by the consistent phrase of “We need the community to be our eyes and ears,” or, “Call Crime Stoppers with a tip.” Now this has an 1984-esque ring to it, but it underlies a critical component to, and specifically to this case, the main duties of the neighborhood crime watch program which is to observe and report. Here is the example that I alluded to in my opening remarks about “following”. Almost everyone is aware of the crime of stalking. All too often, supporters of Treyvon Martin state that George Zimmerman was “stalking” Treyvon Martin that night. Well, since this is a criminal proceeding, we do need to use the correct LEGAL terms in discussing the events that took place. Stalking is defined in §784.048 [http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/784.048 ] which states: (1) As used in this section: (a)“Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose. (b)“Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized protests. (c) “Credible threat” means a verbal or nonverbal threat, or a combination of the two, including threats delivered by electronic communication or implied by a pattern of conduct, which places the person who is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the person, and which is made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat to cause such harm. It is not necessary to prove that the person making the threat had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present incarceration of the person making the threat is not a bar to prosecution under this section. (2)A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Now to prove stalking in a court of law, the state must prove the following element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant “willfully, maliciously and REPEATEDLY followed, harassed or cyberstalked the victim.” [ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter8/p2c8s8.6.rtf ] Now, listening to the 911 Operator’s testimony, the SPD volunteer coordinator testimony and the 911 recording, all either exhibit or has been confirmed that George Zimmerman was professional in his conduct as a neighborhood crime watch volunteer during his tenure and his calm demeanor on the phone on the night of 2/26/12. That it would be extremely difficult to near impossible for the state to prove that Zimmerman was willful and maliciously harassing Treyvon Martin; especially since it was a SINGLE event. Therefore, when folks consistently use the term “stalking” in describing Zimmerman’s actions in this case, under Florida law, they would be 100% INCORRECT. MYTH #4 – The interchanging of terms: “Self-Defense”, “Stand Your Ground” and “Castle Doctrine”. ANSWER: These terms are NOT interchangeable. They are very specific terms based upon the specific scenarios. All of this is defined specifically in Chapter 776 of Florida Statutes. [ http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2012/Chapter776 ] “Stand Your Ground” (SYG): Self-defense is a component of SYG. Prior to 2005, if a self-defense scenario presented itself where deadly force was being used against a victim, the victim had a duty to retreat FIRST if that option was available before meeting with like kind deadly force in the protection of self or another. When SYG was instituted, it removed the duty to retreat and you could meet force with force; both less-than-lethal and deadly force. “Castle Doctrine”: This law provides for the presumption that someone attempting to gain entry to your OCCUPIED home (a type of dwelling) is going to cause great bodily harm or possible death. This states that the use of deadly force is AUTOMATICALLY authorized in the defense of your OCCUPIED home. This law was also extended to your private conveyance (car). “Self-Defense”: Is an act by a victim to reciprocate with necessary and proportional force in the defense of self, another or property. As it relates to property, you can only use force to protect property that which is yours or have been given authorization from the property owner to protect on their behalf. “Deadly Force”: The use of deadly force is authorized if the victim believes that he or she is in imminent fear of great bodily harm or possible death. Self-Defense, or the legal term of justified homicide, is proven according to these jury instructions: [ http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/chapters/chapter8/p2c7s7.7.rtf ] “The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon the defendant, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which the defendant was at the time of the killing. § 782.02, Fla. Stat” We will soon discuss the elements of the crimes 2nd Degree (Depraved) Murder and the automatic lesser charge of Manslaughter. The term “justified homicide” is defined in the jury instructions of Manslaughter which has already been cited above.
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#3. To: CZ82 (#0)
is it possible that Mr. Martin was "resisting an attempt" by Mr. zimmerman, who was armed with a deadly weapon, and who was following him? “Stand Your Ground” (SYG): Self-defense is a component of SYG. Prior to 2005, if a self-defense scenario presented itself where deadly force was being used against a victim, the victim had a duty to retreat FIRST if that option was available before meeting with like kind deadly force in the protection of self or another. When SYG was instituted, it removed the duty to retreat and you could meet force with force; both less-than-lethal and deadly force. Perhaps Mr. Martin was Standing HIS ground..... If zimmerman had simply gone home... no one would have died. If zimmerman had simply gone home... no one would have died.
If zimmerman had simply gone home... no one would have died. If Martin had simply stayed home... no one would have died. If Martin had not attacked Zimmerman....no one would have died. As it was,nobody important died anyhow. Who knows how many lives Zimmerman saved by shooting this wannabe thug this early in his criminal career?
If Martin had not attacked Zimmerman I see you're biased..... and probably a bigot too. It was zimmerman who followed martin, that is simply a fact. It was zimmerman who was armed and zimmerman who engaged martin - facts. If you think an American youth, gunned down in his prime is no one important..... you are a big part of what is wrong in our nation. I pity you.
#29. To: Jameson (#28)
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Pity yourself ! Hoodies in the mist ! George Orwell didn't know ... 1984 was going to be an ebonic --- tobacco road zooacracy ! Who could've of predicted that ! To Enza Ferreri The behavior written of in this book by David Horowitz is based on a single parent sub-culture raised on anti-white animosity and envy. Triggered by their racist hatred and a righteous indignation instilled and encouraged by a Leftist Hollywood and Public School Victimist Propaganda. Empowered by Liberals and their Entitlement Mentality. Often Ignored and Protected by the National News Media, Political Correctness and a corrupt DOJ. Forgiven by an endless list of Affirmative Excuses and Lowered Expectations. Glorified and sanitized beyond recognition by a fawning mass media on TV sitcoms, on the Movie screen, in Commercials, and Rap. This New Violent State is the chaotic new social dis-order, void of personal safety, common decency, and civilized behavior that the Liberal multi-cultists have forced upon us, and until America wakes up out of its blind obedience to Political Correctness and recognizes this behavior for what it is, ‘Black Racism, Anti-White Hatred’, and admit that it is a serious problem, violent crimes like those listed in Horowitz’s book will only get worse....much worse. Ignoring, down-playing or excusing black racism and anti-white hatred only empowers it and encourages it to grow. These Liberal/Leftists have created a hypocritical racist society where certain minorities are allowed to be as openly hateful and racist against the white majority as they want to be (in South Africa they are allowing just the opposite). The Obama DOJ is committed to protecting that racist hypocrisy. Whites who don’t like it, and who refuse to pretend not to notice, are expected to sit down and shut up. Those who don’t, are called “racists” and will be “investigated”. ‘1984’ isn’t fiction anymore...it is now. This has happened because for the last 50 years the Left along with Politically Correct Politicians has given a certain demographics ‘Officially Certified Victim’ status, complete with unconditional immunity from responsibility for their actions, no matter how detrimental to themselves, to others, to us, our neighborhoods, our cities, or the country as a whole. Their agenda is based on an unspoken rule of the Left and their mass media, in which ‘Officially Certified Victims’ must not be shown to have victims of their own. To do so would erode their Victim status in the eyes of the general majority population (where most of the money comes from to fund their many self- interest, race based entitlement programs). It would lesson the collective ‘white guilt’ they have used to get whites to accept being openly discriminated against in Affirmative Action, racial quotas, and race based set- a-sides. A Black Victim-hood and White Guilt-complex, black and white Liberal Democrats and their MSM, have worked hard to establish, control, exploit, and profit from for the last 50 years. As explained in this quote from Prof. William J. Bennetta of the Text Book League: “Sanitization is an indispensable part of this endeavor, because certified Victims must always be depicted as innocent, righteous paragons of humanity. The sanitization process consists largely of hiding or denying any facts which show that the Victims had victims of their own, whom they slaughtered, displaced, subjugated, enslaved or exploited.” They got us where they want us, and they don’t want to lose it. They know that they have to do everything in their power to maintain the media induced shroud of silence that has kept the majority demographics ignorant of the ever increasing abuse at their hands. Because God help them ... when the masses --- wake up. So expect this book to be ignored the MSM. 17 posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 4:13:35 PM by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3041396/posts#17
You're right. I have no time for mindless fools. Eat shit and die.
Jump starting ... evolution - Marxism in America --- is a bad idea !
Are those the only talking points your masters give you, or do you just like to blame all of "your own" shortcomings on others??? Or is it you expect the whole world to give you a free pass because you are too stupid to learn anything, like how to be a "responsible person" maybe??? (You Leftards never cease to amaze me, especially the young ones, no wonder you're trapped in Mommy's basement in perpetuity)!!!
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest“The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon the defendant, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which the defendant was at the time of the killing. § 782.02, Fla. Stat”
#7. To: Jameson (#3)
If zimmerman had simply gone home... no one would have died.
#28. To: sneakypete (#7)
As it was,nobody important died anyhow.
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#31. To: Jameson (#28)
I see you're biased..... and probably a bigot too.
#32. To: Jameson (#28)
you are a big part of what is wrong in our nation.
#33. To: Jameson (#28)
I see you're biased..... and probably a bigot too.
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