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Title: Why aren’t Asians Republicans?
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American Enterprise Institute
URL Source: http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/11/wh ... comment-page-6/#comment-263555
Published: Apr 4, 2013
Author: Charles Murray
Post Date: 2013-04-04 21:51:52 by jwpegler
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Views: 19835
Comments: 40
Last week, I pointed out that there is no such thing as a natural social- conservative skew among Latino Americans. But that leaves open a rejoinder, expressed by several readers: The GOP doesn’t need to get all of the Latino vote, just its fair share. That’s true, and I should have made my point clearer. In the wake of the election, some social conservatives have tried a new version of the old Silent Majority argument, contending that Republicans can continue to make their candidates pass litmus tests on abortion and gay marriage and still win national elections if only it taps the natural social conservatism of Latinos. Exposing that illusion was the point of the numbers I presented. This time I will explicitly offer a broader argument and then give the numbers. My thesis is that the GOP is in trouble across the electoral board because it has become identified in the public mind with social conservatism. Large numbers of Independents and Democrats who are naturally attracted to arguments of fiscal discipline, less government interference in daily life, greater personal responsibility, and free enterprise refuse to vote for Republicans because they are so put off by the positions and rhetoric of social conservatives, whom they take to represent the spirit of the “real” GOP. I use Asian-Americans as an example of how powerfully this antipathy can alienate a naturally conservative voting bloc. Let it be clear: The causal link with social conservatism is asserted here, not proved. But the GOP had better take the hypothesis seriously. Let’s start with data from the Current Population Survey from 2003 on some key socioeconomic indicators for adults ages 30–49. (The CPS first started identifying Asians separately from other ethnic groups in 2003). Politically, a college education is a wash—in the General Social Survey, almost identical proportions of college graduates identify themselves as liberals and conservatives. But Asians are also richer, more often in conservative-skewed professions, equally married, and less often divorced than non-Latino whites—all indicators that normally identify disproportionately conservative voters. Now let’s turn to the political indicators provided by the General Social Survey. Asians are only half as likely to identify themselves as “conservative” or “very conservative” as whites, and less than half as likely to identify themselves as Republicans. Asians are not only a lot more liberal than whites; a higher percentage of Asians identify themselves as “liberal” or “extremely liberal” (22%) than do blacks (19%) or Latinos (17%). And depending on which poll you believe, somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of Asians voted for Barack Obama in the last presidential election. Something’s wrong with this picture. It’s not just that the income, occupations, and marital status of Asians should push them toward the right. Everyday observation of Asians around the world reveal them to be conspicuously entrepreneurial, industrious, family-oriented, and self-reliant. If you’re looking for a natural Republican constituency, Asians should define “natural.” Can the Republicans write them off as a special case in the same way that Jews have been a special case? That’s hard to do, because their stories are so different. Many of the Jews who immigrated to America had been socialists, trade-union activists, or otherwise committed to the Left in their native lands, and those family traditions have sometimes perpetuated themselves. The great majority of non-political Jewish immigrants came from places where they had been systematically persecuted for being Jews, and it is easy to see how Jews might have an enduring propensity to side with the underdog. In contrast, virtually no Asian Americans came here because they were fleeing persecution for being Asian. They sometimes fled political persecution by the Communists, especially from Vietnam, but that experience tends to produce conservative immigrants, not liberal ones. Usually, Asians came to the United States for the traditional reason: America was the land of opportunity where they could rise in the world. Asian immigrants overwhelmingly succeeded, another experience that tends to produce conservative immigrants. Beyond that, Asian minorities everywhere in the world, including America, tend to be underrepresented in politics—they’re more interested in getting ahead commercially or in non-political professions than in running for office or organizing advocacy groups. Lack of interest in politics ordinarily translates into a “just don’t bother us” attitude that trends conservative. Further, there are reasons for Asian Americans not to like Democrats. Asians who became successful because everyone in the family worked two or three jobs (a common strategy behind Asian success) are likely to be offended by the liberal “You didn’t build that” mentality. Unlike every other minority group, Asians owe nothing to the Democrats for affirmative action. On the contrary, Asians are penalized by affirmative action, especially in the universities, where discrimination against Asian applicants (relative to their superb academic qualifications) has been documented in the technical literature. And yet something has happened to define conservatism in the minds of Asians as deeply unattractive, despite all the reasons that should naturally lead them to vote for a party that is identified with liberty, opportunity to get ahead, and economic growth. I propose that the explanation is simple. Those are not the themes that define the Republican Party in the public mind. Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate. In the public mind, except among Republicans, that image is taken for reality.
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#1. To: jwpegler (#0)
Forget the GOP, do you agree with the message of social conservatives or not? At last as I have observed, they aren't advocating murdering anyone, and welcome everyone, but may not support their beliefs.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Asians predominately live in coastal states, especially in the west. I'll bet the Asians in Texas or the mid-west vote more conservative than their counterparts in California.
Which message? Anti-science stupidity? The drug war foolishness? The belief that homosexuality is a "choice", rather than a genetic defect? No, I don't agree with these at all.
Because they see through the bullshit offered by repugs better? Who is to say?
I work in the computer business with a lot of Asians. I do business in Asia (I was just in China last week.) 35% of the population of the city I live in is Asian. My wife is Asian. My youngest of three daughters and my soon to be born son are half Asian. I have a pretty good perspective on this. Unlike other minorities, Asians owe no allegiance to the Democrats for anything. The Democrat's politics of grievance actually hurt Asians. Most Asians generally agree with the GOP on economics -- at least the ones that I talk to do. The PROBLEM is that the GOP has now become equated with no-nothing, anti- science, creationist, morons. We see it on this board. An Asian with a graduate degree in computer science or an engineering discipline is not going to vote for a party that is identified with people who think that the earth is 6,000 years old. It's not going to happen. That in a nutshell is the GOP's problem with Asians. This is important because Asians are now the fastest growing segment of the U.S. population (but from a smaller base than Latinos). People like Bush Jr. and Rick Santorum have damaged the GOP brand with their anti-intellectual nonsense. People like Rand Paul, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, etc. can fix it. The GOP MUST be about the free market, economic growth (which is dependent upon our scientific and technological know how), and the federal government leaving us alone in our personal matters. That's the true majority in this country. We just have to get around the anti-science kooks. Yes, that's easier said than done, but we can do it. We have to do it, otherwise the country will be lost to the economic no-nothings of the idiot left.
I actually agree with you here. Thank you for a good and interesting post in response to that wee bit of cheese I put in that post in a deliberately frivolous manner.
Most people in the GOP are not anti-science morons. But, the anti-science morons have become among the loudest voices in the GOP. This is the problem. Of course, the left-of-center media loves to amplify those voices. The GOP shouldn't be surprised about this. I remember when I was kid, there was an assertion that for a black to succeed in society, he / she had to be a lot better than the white competitor, because the black guy / gal never got the benefit of the doubt. He / she had to be ideal to get the job. The GOP is now at the point where they also have to be a lot better than the Democrats to win, because people are skeptical of them. They will never do it with people screaming anti-science no- nothingism, like, they do on this board.
You are an anti science moron. I already kicked your ass on the subject. If you want another ass whoppin go back and answer all the questions that I stumped you on.
I agree with you on this point to. My favorite commentator Rachel Maddow has made mincemeat out of Republicans by doing this. Naturally I obviously enjoy every minute of that and is one of the things that makes that show a must see affair for me every night. :-)
In your dreams, Spanky. He made a complete fool out of you on that thread.
What came first Mike the dick or the pussy? You can't make a baby with both of them you anti science freak. Put up or shut up bitch. Jwpegler made up something about people reproducing asexually. What a load of crap. That isn't science. It is trying to rationalize your lack of faith in God.
No. We were talking about the age of the universe and you changed the subject to penises and vagina's (biology). But, when your buddy liberator chimed in with this awful book, I demonstrated HERE that the author of his book just didn't understand elementary school facts about the universe. Of course, he didn't respond.
Same subject. It is a psuedo science circle jerk. Circular reasoning.
science - evolution are the opposites ! The whole hoax - hi jack is constantly being exposed !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
They use the fossil record to pretend there is evolution. Then they use the bones to pretend the world is really old. Here is an example. A Quick Case of Circular Reasoning in Evolutionary Biology I’d like to demonstrate how human evolutionary theorists use false circular reasoning with regard to the geologic column. Here is an example from page 351 of Prentice Hall’s Biology: Exploring Life 2006 high school textbook. After addressing how radiometric dating can show the age of rocks without addressing any of its flaws (the set-up), it shows this diagram: 351 of Prentice Hall's Biology: Exploring Life 2006 The problem with using the geologic column and index fossils for dating is that the fossils are dated by the rock layers they are in and the rock layers are dated by the fossils that are in them. Notice the questions, this one in particular: If radiometric dating identifies the rock in layer C as 425 million years old, what can you infer about the age of the fossils in layer C? In layers B and D? Explain. The student answers, “Well, that’s easy! It’s 425 million years old.” Now, what do you think this student’s answer will be after being shown a fossil and asked how old the rock is in which the fossil was found? The date of the rock will be assumed because of the fossil that was found in it. The student then goes home to spread this news to his younger brothers and sisters when they drag out their dinosaur action-figure playset later that evening. This is misleading circular reasoning based upon the definition of what is called an Index Fossil which in turn is based upon Charles Lyell’s theory of uniformitarianism. Index Fossil - any animal or plant preserved in the rock record of the Earth that is characteristic of a particular span of geologic time or environment. A useful index fossil must be distinctive or easily recognizable, abundant, and have a wide geographic distribution and a short range through time. Index fossils are the basis for defining boundaries in the geologic time scale and for the correlation of strata. Pay careful attention to the conclusion of the definition: Index fossils are the basis for defining boundaries in the geologic time scale and for the correlation of strata. Do you see the problem? The problem with using the geologic column and index fossils for dating is that the fossils are dated by the rock layers they are in and the rock layers are dated by the fossils that are in them. This is a classic case of false circular reasoning. Uniformitarianism - a geological doctrine. It states that current geologic processes, occurring at the same rates observed today, in the same manner, account for all of Earth’s geological features. Thus, it assumes that geological processes are essentially unchanged today from those of the unobservable past, and that there have been no cataclysmic events in earth’s history. As present processes are thought to explain all past events, the Uniformitarian slogan is, “the present is the key to the past.” If uniformitarianism lays the foundation and leads to this kind of false circular reasoning, there must be an honest admission of question concerning the doctrine and it must be re-examined honestly by the doctrine’s proponents. I’m putting it mildly.
I never said that people reproduce asexually. I said that a lot of other species reproduce asexually. I ALSO said that some species of insects, amphibians, and reptiles can change between sexual and asexual reproduction based on the availability of suitable mates. When there is an abundance of mates, they reproduce sexually to diversify the gene pool. When there are a shortage of mates, they reproduce asexually (clone themselves) to survive as a species. This is a PROVEN, OBSERVABLE, FACT. That is what I said. What you read in your own mind is that I'm some sort of satanist who is hell bent on destroying the Bible. I believe in the Bible. But I don't believe that it's the inerrant word of God. I believe that it's the inspired word of God.
According to your variety of argument, people who are not fertile should be denied marriage. According to your line of reasoning that marriage is for making babies only, only those who can do so have a right to sexual relationships. Why don't you mandate as well that the lights must always be out, and a blanket with a strategically placed hole kept between sexual partners to make the act as unenjoyable and clinical as possible? After all, it's about baby making, not something evil and dirty like enjoying oneself while engaged in coletus, right?
You're the one ... that made science - sex --- into cave men butt fucking !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
The whole hoax - hi jack is constantly being exposed ! I still believe that you are mcgowanjm, on really serious drugs.
keep smoking em drugs ... your horse's ass oracle --- will keep enlightening you !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
No, biology and physics are completely different subjects.
How about a roll of duct tape for their mouths?
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
No, biology and physics are completely different subjects Yes they are different. Except they prop each other up with circular reasoning. I posted the information. I guess it is over your heaad. Or you are willingly ignorant.
No monkey fucker. Marriage is between a man and a woman end of discussion. I have no problem with people taking out two men that pretend to be married. The queers blood is on their own hands. You may like the culture of Sodom and Gomorrah but it is anti American. So take you and all your freak faggots and go jump off a bridge.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. I now understand why God said to kill the fags. He didsn't want them spreading their sick views which you have adopted. So you and all your faggot friends go get AIDS now you hear.
Mike you need to quit fucking monkeys.
Like I said go get AIDS and pass it to every queer.
Your irrational statements seem indicative of the Tea Bagger default position when faced with any disagreement. Another reason why you perverted, emotional twits will never be able to lead.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
He's trying to generate an emotional response quite impossible to get. I am satisfied with how badly he makes himself look with his childish diatribe. His immaturity and emotional lack of self control keeps his forum stunted, and him banned from most if not all the other forums he has tried to post on. He may not accept this, but I proved my point about him in this thread. I have nothing more to say to someone who can't debate or argue in good faith and sounds so bad he would embarrass most third graders.
You know..right after I read you post I saw a news report about a huge forest fire in China that got started by somebody burning joss paper money at the grave site of his ancestors as part of some kooky ritual. Asians have A LOT of strange beliefs and superstitions that transcend college education.
Asians are mostly godless. But you must really hate them to say they are all stupid.
Yep, every country has their uneducated, superstitious people from the backwoods. But they are not the ones who are immigrating to America and voting here. For the most part, the Asians who are moving here have advanced degrees in science and engineering.
False...and fwiw their technical education does nothing obviate their cultural superstitions, traditions, and beliefs. You have some serious myopia regarding the Asian population.
No, true. LMAO! What a dope.
What a dope. Lol..I live in northern California, driving distance from three of the largest Chinese population centers in the United States. I know for a fact the Chinese people I see and interact with on a daily basis do not hold advanced degrees in science and engineering, most of them barely speak English. In fact, there are many more Chinese business people in the United States than engineers and scientists. Here is a source link Chinese immigration to the United States
I didn't say that a majority of Chinese people in the U.S. hold college degrees. A lot of Chinese people have been here a long time (going back generations). I said that a majority of current Asian immigrants hold college degrees. This is TRUE: You're full of shit, that's NOT what you said, and that's NOT what the link you referred to says either.
A very general question....... perhaps answered by a great man who is Asian..... "Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." Dalai Lama
For the most part, you're a fucking liar.
My thesis is that the GOP is in trouble across the electoral board because it has become identified in the public mind with social conservatism.
#2. To: jwpegler (#0)
#3. To: no gnu taxes (#1)
do you agree with the message of social conservatives or not?
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#4. To: jwpegler (#0)
"Why aren’t Asians Republicans?"
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
(Edited)
Because they see through the bullshit offered by repugs better?
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#6. To: jwpegler (#5)
"The PROBLEM is that the GOP has now become equated with no-nothing, anti- science, creationist, morons. We see it on this board."
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#6)
(Edited)
I actually agree with you here. Thank you for a good and interesting post in response to that wee bit of cheese I put in that post in a deliberately frivolous manner.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#8. To: jwpegler (#7)
But, the anti-science morons have become among the loudest voices in the GOP. This is the problem.
#9. To: jwpegler (#7)
"Of course, the left-of-center media loves to amplify those voices. The GOP shouldn't be surprised about this."
#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)
"I already kicked your ass on the subject."
#11. To: Ferret Mike, Jwpegler (#10)
#12. To: A K A Stone (#8)
I already kicked your ass on the subject.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#13. To: jwpegler (#12)
No. We were talking about the age of the universe and you changed the subject to penises and vagina's (biology).
#14. To: jwpegler (#7)
#15. To: jwpegler (#12)
#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)
Jwpegler made up something about people reproducing asexually.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#17. To: A K A Stone (#11)
"Put up or shut up bitch."
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
#19. To: BorisY (#14)
science - evolution are the opposites !
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#20. To: jwpegler (#19)
#21. To: A K A Stone (#13)
Same subject.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#22. To: jwpegler (#5)
We just have to get around the anti-science kooks. Yes, that's easier said than done, but we can do it. We have to do it, otherwise the country will be lost to the economic no-nothings of the idiot left.
#23. To: jwpegler (#21)
Same subject.
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
According to your variety of argument, people who are not fertile should be denied marriage.
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
According to your line of reasoning that marriage is for making babies only, only those who can do so have a right to sexual relationships.
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
Why don't you mandate as well that the lights must always be out, and a blanket with a strategically placed hole kept between sexual partners to make the act as unenjoyable and clinical as possible?
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
After all, it's about baby making, not something evil and dirty like enjoying oneself while engaged in coletus, right?
#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Like I said go get AIDS and pass it to every queer.
#29. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#28)
#30. To: jwpegler (#5)
An Asian with a graduate degree in computer science or an engineering discipline is not going to vote for a party that is identified with people who think that the earth is 6,000 years old. It's not going to happen. That in a nutshell is the GOP's problem with Asians.
#31. To: jwpegler (#5)
An Asian with a graduate degree in computer science or an engineering discipline is not going to vote for a party that is identified with people who think that the earth is 6,000 years old. It's not going to happen. That in a nutshell is the GOP's problem with Asians.
#32. To: Thunderbird (#30)
at the grave site of his ancestors as part of some kooky ritual.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#33. To: jwpegler (#32)
For the most part, the Asians who are moving here have advanced degrees in science and engineering.
#34. To: Thunderbird (#33)
False
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#35. To: jwpegler (#34)
No, true. LMAO!
#36. To: Thunderbird (#35)
I know for a fact the Chinese people I see and interact with on a daily basis do not hold advanced degrees in science and engineering, most of them barely speak English.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#37. To: jwpegler (#36)
I said that a majority of current Asian immigrants hold college degrees.
#38. To: Thunderbird (#37)
You're full of shit, that's NOT what you said, and that's NOT what the link you referred to says either.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#39. To: jwpegler (#0)
Why aren’t Asians Republicans?
#40. To: jwpegler (#32)
For the most part, the Asians who are moving here have advanced degrees in science and engineering.
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