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Title: Republicans Join Democrats to Destroy Second Amendment
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URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/republicans ... s-to-destroy-second-amendment/
Published: Dec 26, 2012
Author: Kurt Nimmo
Post Date: 2012-12-26 13:06:02 by Hondo68
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In addition to surrendering to the Democrat instinct to tax Americans into oblivion, Republicans in Congress are prepared to go along with knee-jerk legislation rolling back the Second Amendment in the coming year. “Put guns on the table. Also, put video games on the table. Put mental health on the table,” Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia said last week as the Republican leadership signaled it is ready to chip away at the right to own firearms. Kingston said Republicans are likely to move on more anti-gun legislation after a “grief stage” in response to the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting. “In the coming days and weeks, we will engage in a meaningful conversation and thoughtful debate about how to change laws and culture that allow violence to grow,” said formerly pro-Second Amendment Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. “And every idea should be on the table as we discuss how best to do just that.” Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and Chuck Grassley of Iowa are ready to trade off the Second Amendment in order to make a political deal with Democrats. “You’ve got to take all these things into consideration,” Grassley said. Grassley also believes the federal government should legislate on societal issues. He said Congress needs to discuss a culture that “tends to be less civil now than it has been for a long period of time.” Arguing that Republicans must abandon libertarian principles in order “to remain relevant in a country whose views are changing,” the Associated Press cites a Washington Post/ABC News poll published last week in the wake of the Connecticut shooting that shows 54 percent of Americans surveyed want restrictions placed on the Second Amendment. For statist Republicans, relevance is all the rage. Following the shooting in Connecticut, former Republican congressman from Florida, Joe Scarborough, easily betrayed the Constitution. “I knew that day that the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant to the future that I want, that I demand, for my children,” he said. “The party is at a point where it wants to have those discussions in public, where people feel comfortable differing from what is perceived as the party orthodoxy,” said Republican consultant Dan Hazelwood, revealing the sad fact that Republican fealty to the Second Amendment and thus the Constitution at large is waning. Retiring Republican Ron Paul responded to this sudden political sea change on the part of his colleagues. “Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control. This is understandable, but misguided,” Paul said after the massacre. “The impulse to have government ‘do something’ to protect us in the wake of national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned. Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented. But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don’t obey laws. The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence. If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters would be dissuaded or stopped. While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings. I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.” Ron Paul criticized reaction to the shooting by the NRA. Following the shooting, NRA boss Wayne LaPierre said the state should respond by placing more armed cops and guards in public education schools. Paul rightly saw this as an excuse to expand an already bloated police state: Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches? We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders. This is the world of government provided “security,” a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse. School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America. Republicans in Congress will vote with Democrats to further erode the Second Amendment. The establishment is now exploiting the Sandy Hook shooting to accomplish its long-term objective of disarming the American people. No state can strip its citizens of their natural rights if they are armed and if a large number of them understand the principles behind the Constitution and the real reason for the Second Amendment.
Poster Comment: Add in the rest of the liberal congress-critters who endorsed John "Trigger Lock" McCain, and Willard "Semiauto Ban" Romney, and some form of so called gun control seems likely to get passed.
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#101. To: sneakypete (#100)
It's not hard to look smart when you constantly surround yourself with morons. That reminds me of the old saying "It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"...
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
But... I didn't call you a cigarette, I called you a pole climber. What's wrong? I thought those little pet names were all the rage with you and the rest of the hair pullers? I thought you liked that?
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
Not really, weeps, but if you get off calling me them, knock yourself out.
Wow. You are seriously dense. Let me spell this out for you. That little pet name that you call me???... I don't like it. It's childish and quite frankly, petty and stupid. It reminds me of some idiot on another forum that calls himself yukon. I can't have a serious conversation with people who act like that idiot. I'll make you a deal. You stop and I'll stop.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
I'll make you a deal. You stop and I'll stop. But it's so much easier for me to type, and I'm lazy. :-) But sure, ok, I'll stop. BTW, you heard that the aforementioned poster was booted from el Pee?
I call for the legalization of drugs, gay marriage, a women's right to choose. Plus I want less militarism by the US, starting with ending all the senseless wars and closing Gitmo. Yup, I'm for the curtailing of freedoms, alright. Sure thing, Arch.
Well good, as you lost long ago.
Yeah, because I don't like the idea of psychos running around with guns. The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,asshole What's the matter? You don't like a black man sitting next to you on the short bus? Yeah, segregation was such a grand idea. Hey, let's just bring back slavery and public lynchings of blacks! Affirmative Action,asshole I already mentioned to do that while it was well-intentioned, Affirmative Action is probably a misguided policy. You conveniently forgot that too, eh? Quotas,asshole No bid minority contracts,asshole I don't recall even discussing either of these issues with you, numbnuts.
Yu-Tard is no longer on LP. Goldi gave him the permanent boot this time.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Where's the fun in that? You guys are nothing but a coupla quitters!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
With the exception of your ignorance kneejerk response to Gitmo,if you believe all that WHY do you vote left? Except for closing Gitmo those are all libertarian positions,and one thing no sane person has ever done that wasn't knowingly lying or enormously ignorant was call the left "liberal" in ANY sense of the word.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Another lie. You seem to have no problem with psychos running around with guns. You just object to sane citizens running around with them. Maybe I'm wrong,though. When was the last time you called for the police and bodyguards to be disarmed? The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,asshole What's the matter? You don't like a black man sitting next to you on the short bus? Proof you really ARE more stupid than I thought you were. Never had a actual thought in your entire life,have you? Yeah, segregation was such a grand idea. A MUCH better idea that FORCED integration at gunpoint. A FREE people are allowed to make up their own minds about who the socialize with,who they hire and fire,and who they can sell or rent their property to. Then again,you think people only need all the freedom that government gives them. I already mentioned to do that while it was well-intentioned, Affirmative Action is probably a misguided policy. You conveniently forgot that too, eh? No,I couldn't forget it because I have never seen you make the claim. Even then the qualifier "probably" negates the rest of what you wrote. Hey, let's just bring back slavery and public lynchings of blacks! I'm sure that would make you happy. BTW,while we are on this subject,how about give us all a listing of how many whites and how many blacks were lynched ALL OVER THE COUNTRY,NOT JUST THE SOUTH between 1865 and 1965,and WHY they were lynched? Let's have some statistics,Buckwheat! Quotas,asshole No bid minority contracts,asshole (me) I don't recall even discussing either of these issues with you, numbnuts. Ok,so discuss them now.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Wow. What did he do, post gay porn again?
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
If I hadn't gone and looked for myself, I'd have thought that you both were lying. Good, finally someone who deserved to get the boot, got it. I bet he's still crying. Oh shit, I hope he doesn't come here.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
He finally succeeded in pissing off Goldi with his constant name calling and attacking other posters. She gave him multiple timeouts and warnings, but he'd just come back and continue. She finally got fed up and dumped his sorry ass.
What's kneejerk about it? Anyone can see what an egregious violation of human rights it is. Any libertarian would be diametrically opposed to it. Why do I vote left? You mean Green Party? Are you claiming the Green Party wants to keep Gitmo open? The Green Party espouses most of the viewpoints I do. More than any other candidate did in this past election.
Now look who's lying. When did I ever say that? Show me the post. Go ahead, make my day! Maybe I'm wrong,though. When was the last time you called for the police and bodyguards to be disarmed? You are wrong, never. And if I supported a police state, why would I want the police disarmed? Dumbass. A MUCH better idea that FORCED integration at gunpoint. A FREE people are allowed to make up their own minds about who the socialize with,who they hire and fire,and who they can sell or rent their property to. What about forced segregation at gunpoint, which was effectively going on in the south before the Civil Rights Act? What part of Jim Crow confuses you? Hey, let's just bring back slavery and public lynchings of blacks! I'm sure that would make you happy. No, I think it would make YOU happy. I'm not even for capital punishment. BTW,while we are on this subject,how about give us all a listing of how many whites and how many blacks were lynched ALL OVER THE COUNTRY,NOT JUST THE SOUTH between 1865 and 1965,and WHY they were lynched? Let's have some statistics,Buckwheat! Go look them up yourself, spanky. I don't recall even discussing either of these issues with you, numbnuts. Ok,so discuss them now. No thanks, not interested. Waste of time.
I don't know. I usually ignored him unless he pinged me.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No,anyone who doesn't live on Big Rock Candy Mountain understand that people who declare themselves to be your enemy and who are intent on destroying you only have a right to die. Any libertarian would be diametrically opposed to it. Only the ones who are fools with no life experiences. Why do I vote left? You mean Green Party? Are you claiming the Green Party wants to keep Gitmo open? No,I mean the Green Party is composed of airhead leftists,and leftists are in love with police states. In a police state you have all the freedoms the state thinks you need. The Green Party espouses most of the viewpoints I do. Proof you are a leftist. More than any other candidate did in this past election. Is there anyone other than globalist international bankers that can't make that same claim? NONE of the candidates were worth the price of the rope it would cost to hang them.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
But...,but...,but,..., I thought you were a caped crusader when it comes to minorities?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
More like "rebel without a clue." :-P
Tell us, Gramps, what does the great libertarian Ron Paul have to say about Gitmo? Is he for or against keeping prisoners looked up there indefinitely without due process under the law? Let's hear it! Tell you what, since you're too stupid to figure it out yourself. http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Texas/Ron_Paul/Views/Guantanamo_Bay/ Only the ones who are fools with no life experiences. Like Ron Paul? No,I mean the Green Party is composed of airhead leftists,and leftists are in love with police states. In a police state you have all the freedoms the state thinks you need. The Green Party espouses most of the viewpoints I do. Proof you are a leftist. Leftist this, leftist that, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. So I'm a leftist. Not that you have slightest idea what that entails, but OK. A police state, that's just downright funny. You are ignorant, uneducated, and about as dumb as a fencepost, Arch. In fact, I apologize to fenceposts the world over for insulting their intelligence by comparing it to yours, you peabrain.
Wrong again, Arch. I just don't believe in putting them down like you.
Don't know,don't care. Tell you what, since you're too stupid to figure it out yourself. You really do think that people who aren't Dims or Semi-Dims are as stupid as you are,don't you? You just can't comprehend that we have minds of our own and are independent thinkers rather than Party People like you. Sad,really. Leftist this, leftist that, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. So I'm a leftist. It's good to see you admit it after being dragged kicking and screaming out into the daylight after the rock was overturned. Not that I really blame you.I would be ashamed to admit something like that,too. Not that you have slightest idea what that entails, but OK. A police state, that's just downright funny. You are ignorant, uneducated, and about as dumb as a fencepost, Arch. THAT one earned you your own irony AND humor pings. Yu-Tard is going to be soooo jealous! Even HE only earned one at a time.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ain't you just soooo "special"? Special Education,that is.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Since Ron Paul aways, steadfastly adhered to the Constitution, the question answers itself. The 4th and 15th Amendments both contain due-process clauses. There are a variety of aspects that these two clauses entail; I suggest you research this further, before continuing along this bone-headed line of thought. It makes you look grossly ignorant (which, being a leftist, you are, but that's another story). Like Ron Paul? He's got more real experience in life, than you'll ever have, bone- head. He's smarter, wiser and more educated than you'll ever be, as well. Again, more bone-headed comments from you simply make you look silly. Thanks for confirming that you are, indeed, an idiot. You know who the first "green party" was? The German National Socialist Party... aka the Nazis, a hard-left organization that put 21 million people in the ground before they were stopped. You're truly insane.
Always, without fail, eh? OK, so then I guess sneakypete advocates violating the Constitution by supporting the gulag in Cuba, which BOTH I and Ron Paul oppose on Constitutional grounds, not to mention being an egregious human rights violation.. Thanks for the confirmation. Thanks for confirming that you are, indeed, an idiot. You know who the first "green party" was? The German National Socialist Party... aka the Nazis, a hard-left organization that put 21 million people in the ground before they were stopped. Oh, and that MUST mean that Green Party of 2012 is exactly the same, just like Germany today is just like Nazi Germany back then. LOL, great logic there.
He ducks, he dodges, he squirms, he slithers away.... well, it is the Year of the Snake after all! Funny how you like to pigeon hole me based on who I voted for, yet when I try to do it to you, you slither away. LOL! You just can't comprehend that we have minds of our own and are independent thinkers rather than Party People like you. Sad,really. And yet you think I don't, based on what? Because I don't agree with everything you do? You've heard me criticize Obama and Democrats, yet you persist. And so when I vote for a candidate from another party, you still call me a "Party People." I can only conclude that you are just too stupid to figure it out. Oh well, as we say here in Japan, shoganai, it can't be helped. It's good to see you admit it after being dragged kicking and screaming out into the daylight after the rock was overturned. Not that I really blame you.I would be ashamed to admit something like that,too. Yes, and Ron Paul must be a leftist too, since he agrees with so much I do, and I'm a leftist. Uh huh.
He ducks, he dodges, he squirms, he slithers away.... well, it is the Year of the Snake after all! No ducking,dodging,or squirming. I should have realized you wouldn't recognize the truth. After all,you voted for both Obummer AND the Green Party.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yeah, and that's it. Who I voted for. So tell me, what is the truth according to sneaky? Here's a little homework assignment for you. Compare where Ron Paul and the Green Party stand on various issues. Things like the wars, Gitmo, and legalizing marijuana. You might find they have some common ground. Is Ron Paul a leftist?
Kind of a broad question,ain't it? Try being a little more specific.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Try being a little more specific. The "truth" that I cannot recognize, according to you. And how about answering my question about Ron Paul. Is he a leftist?
Once again,too broad a question. Narrow the answer down to something smaller than War and Peace. And how about answering my question about Ron Paul. Is he a leftist? No,he's not.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
LOL. You're the one who brought it up to start with, claiming I can't recognize "the truth." Now you can't even tell me what you were talking about? No,he's not. Yet he agrees so much with leftists like the Green Party. Interesting.
He (Ron Paul) probably agrees with SOME of what the GP believes,and no,that doesn't make him a leftist or mean that he would vote for a GP candidate. Here is a little secret I hate to tell you because I don't want it getting out,but neither the Dims nor the Semi-Dims in the alleged Republican Party are right OR wrong about everything,and anybody who can't recognize that is too stupid to waste time debating with them.. I hope that didn't shatter your illusions too much.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
So how much does one have to agree with a leftist in order to actually be a leftist?
Like you,they have to only vote for leftist candidates. In addition,they have to even be confused enough to think the Republican Party isn't leftist. You admit to always voting left,therefore you are a leftist.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ron Paul is to the left of Rand Paul.
You and Meguro are to the left of Rand Paul and myself.
You and Meguro are to the left of Rand Paul and myself. You fell off the right end of the spectrum into a black hole.
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#102. To: meguro (#74)
I'm not a cigarette, weeps.
#103. To: We The People (#102)
What's wrong? I thought those little pet names were all the rage with you and the rest of the hair pullers? I thought you liked that?
#104. To: meguro (#103)
Not really, weeps, but if you get off calling me them, knock yourself out.
#105. To: We The People (#104)
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Let me spell this out for you. That little pet name that you call me???... I don't like it. It's childish and quite frankly, petty and stupid. It reminds me of some idiot on another forum that calls himself yukon. I can't have a serious conversation with people who act like that idiot.
#106. To: sneakypete (#98)
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Another lie.I have defined it several times right here on this thread. Leftism calls for the dominance of the government over the people and the curtailing of individual freedoms. A government where the only real "right" the individuals have are to go along with government dictates or go to prison.
#107. To: sneakypete (#97)
And I'd done playing your little game.
#108. To: sneakypete (#97)
Gun Control,asshole
#109. To: We The People (#104)
It reminds me of some idiot on another forum that calls himself yukon.
#110. To: meguro, We The People (#105)
I'll make you a deal. You stop and I'll stop.
#111. To: meguro (#106)
I call for the legalization of drugs, gay marriage, a women's right to choose. Plus I want less militarism by the US, starting with ending all the senseless wars and closing Gitmo.
#112. To: meguro (#108)
Yeah, because I don't like the idea of psychos running around with guns.
#113. To: meguro (#105)
BTW, you heard that the aforementioned poster was booted from el Pee?
#114. To: sneakypete, meguro (#109)
Yu-Tard is no longer on LP. Goldi gave him the permanent boot this time.
#115. To: We The People, sneakypete (#113)
Wow. What did he do, post gay porn again?
#116. To: sneakypete (#111)
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With the exception of your ignorance kneejerk response to Gitmo,if you believe all that WHY do you vote left?
#117. To: sneakypete (#112)
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Another lie. You seem to have no problem with psychos running around with guns. You just object to sane citizens running around with them.
#118. To: We The People (#113)
Wow. What did he do, post gay porn again?
#119. To: meguro (#116)
Anyone can see what an egregious violation of human rights it is.
#120. To: meguro (#117)
No thanks, not interested. Waste of time.
#121. To: sneakypete (#120)
#122. To: sneakypete (#119)
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No,anyone who doesn't live on Big Rock Candy Mountain understand that people who declare themselves to be your enemy and who are intent on destroying you only have a right to die.
#123. To: sneakypete (#120)
But...,but...,but,..., I thought you were a caped crusader when it comes to minorities?
#124. To: meguro, *Irony*, *Humor* (#122)
Tell us, Gramps, what does the great libertarian Ron Paul have to say about Gitmo?
#125. To: meguro (#123)
I just don't believe in putting them down like you.
#126. To: meguro (#122)
Tell us, Gramps, what does the great libertarian Ron Paul have to say about Gitmo? Is he for or against keeping prisoners looked up there indefinitely without due process under the law? Let's hear it!
...fools with no life experiences.
The Green Party espouses most of the viewpoints I do.
#127. To: Capitalist Eric (#126)
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Since Ron Paul aways, steadfastly adhered to the Constitution, the question answers itself. The 4th and 15th Amendments both contain due-process clauses. There are a variety of aspects that these two clauses entail; I suggest you research this further, before continuing along this bone- headed line of thought. It makes you look grossly ignorant (which, being a leftist, you are, but that's another story).
#128. To: sneakypete (#124)
Don't know,don't care.
#129. To: meguro (#128)
Don't know,don't care.
#130. To: sneakypete (#129)
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I should have realized you wouldn't recognize the truth. After all,you voted for both Obummer AND the Green Party.
#131. To: meguro (#130)
So tell me, what is the truth according to sneaky?
#132. To: sneakypete (#131)
Kind of a broad question,ain't it?
#133. To: meguro (#132)
The "truth" that I cannot recognize, according to you.
#134. To: sneakypete (#133)
Once again,too broad a question. Narrow the answer down to something smaller than War and Peace.
#135. To: meguro (#134)
Yet he agrees so much with leftists like the Green Party. Interesting.
#136. To: sneakypete (#135)
He (Ron Paul) probably agrees with SOME of what the GP believes,and no,that doesn't make him a leftist or mean that he would vote for a GP candidate.
#137. To: meguro (#136)
So how much does one have to agree with a leftist in order to actually be a leftist?
#138. To: sneakypete (#137)
#139. To: sneakypete (#137)
#140. To: A K A Stone (#139)
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