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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Tenn. AG reveals ICE released thousands of ‘murderers and rapists’ from detention centers into US streets Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bang / Guns See other Bang / Guns Articles Title: Gallup poll: 64 percent of Americans want school officials armed to protect children Source: NaturalNews URL Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/038430_s ... armed_defense_Gallup_poll.html Published: Dec 22, 2012 Author: J. D. Heyes Post Date: 2012-12-22 09:46:43 by Hondo68 Keywords: None Views: 36903 Comments: 63 (NaturalNews) The Obama administration and its gun-grabbing allies in Congress are planning to exploit the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn., in a renewed bid to take away guns and gun rights. But in the days following the massacre of 20 first graders and six adults, the Gallup polling firm found that, by overwhelming majorities, most citizens favor decidedly different solutions to prevent further senseless attacks on our nation's schools. According to the survey, the most popular option chosen by respondents is boosting police presence at schools; 53 percent of respondents said more police would be "very effective" at reducing acts of mass murder, while another 34 percent said it would be "somewhat effective." In addition to boosting protective measures, Americans also believe that increasing funding and access to mental health services would be an effective deterrent. The Sandy Hook shooter, Adam Lanza, was reportedly afflicted with mental issues; so was the Aurora, Colo., shooter, James Holmes. Fully half of respondents - 50 percent - said more mental health access and funding would be "very effective" at reducing future violence, with an additional 34 percent saying such measures would be "somewhat effective." Only 14 percent said they believed more funding would not be effective. Arm the educators Americans also believe that there is far too much violence depicted on television and in video games to which kids are exposed. 47 percent of respondents said reducing depictions of gun violence in movies, on television and in video games would go a long way towards reducing real-life violence; 31 percent said doing so would be "somewhat effective." What is especially noteworthy; however, is the number of Americans who believe that arming school personnel would be an effective deterrent; fully 64 percent believe allowing education professionals to be armed would be a "very effective" or "somewhat effective" step. It's this latter idea that is catching on in a number of public policy and law enforcement circles. Just days after the Sandy Hook shooting, St. Louis County Police Chief Tom Fitch stated plainly that educators and education professionals should be trained to carry weapons and armed while in school, to protect kids. "We can talk on the back end of the need for funding of mental illness programs and gun control, but as a law enforcement officer, I'm focused on that five-minute window that it takes for the cops to get there while people are getting killed," he said. "There is somebody out there right now trying to figure out how to do something worse than this guy did, and there is only one way to end a threat, and that's with lethal force." "We cannot continue to do things as we've always done it, that's why we need to have frank discussion in this country as to where we go from here," he added. At this point, denial has become our most dangerous enemy Knee-jerk reactionaries; however, quickly dismissed his suggestion and illogical, unworkable, foolish - you name it - but Fitch, a career law enforcement officer, remained undeterred, mostly because he has yet to hear a better idea. "How do you think we should respond to that?" he said during an interview on local radio station KMOX, regarding the lag time when shots are first fired to when police arrive. "Nobody has an answer. Nobody has said, 'well, I would do this.' They just say, 'I don't like what you said, it's unacceptable, it's irresponsible, you should be fired.' I've heard all of that. But, nobody has an answer for that critical time period." He's not alone. Other law enforcement and security experts have similar sentiments. In an excerpt from a compelling article posted online at PoliceOne.com, featuring a hard-hitting presentation on school security by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, the solution is laid bare: The challenge for law enforcement agencies and officers, then, is to overcome not only the attacks taking place in schools, but to first overcome the denial in the minds of mayors, city councils, school administrators, and parents. Grossman said that agencies and officers, although facing an uphill slog against the denial of the general public, must diligently work toward increasing understanding among the sheep that the wolves are coming for their children. Police officers must train and drill with teachers, not only so responding officers are intimately familiar with the facilities, but so that teachers know what they can do in the event of an attack. Sources: http://www.gallup.com http://www.stltoday.com http://news.stlpublicradio.org Poster Comment: Progressive denial is killing people. Many refuse to admit that guns are how you stop a murdering maniac. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 37. #1. To: hondo68 (#0) Gallup Poll: Romney Obama Election Too Close To Call ;} mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-12-22   10:23:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: All (#1) "The only thing that can protect a school from a bad guy with a lobby is a good guy with a lobby." mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-12-22   10:24:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: All (#2) He offered no "major contributions" to the question of what, if anything, should be done to regulate access to combat-styled fire arms, ammunition or high-capacity magazines used in so many mass shootings of late. Nothing. No changes. No additional safety regulations. Not even the minimal, very reasonable gun safety regulations that the vast majority of NRA rank and file members (if not their con-men leadership) are calling for by huge numbers. Instead, he said, we need to put armed guards in every school in America. Oh, it's also Barack Obama's fault as well, because, says LaPierre, he "zeroed out" money for emergency school security in the last budget. mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-12-22   10:24:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: mcgowanjm (#3) combat-styled fire arms, ammunition or high-capacity magazines Those are some of the very items covered by the 2nd Amendment, per the Supreme Court's US v Miller decision. That is, whatever a military militia would be expected to have. Abcdefg  posted on  2012-12-22   10:49:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Abcdefg (#5) Those are some of the very items covered by the 2nd Amendment, per the Supreme Court's US v Miller decision. That is, whatever a military militia would be expected to have. A military style militia is policed regularly by it's officers in order to exclude the crazies. mininggold  posted on  2012-12-22   12:54:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: mininggold (#6) A military style militia is policed regularly by it's officers in order to exclude the crazies. No,it's not. That's why it's called a "unorganized militia". They/we don't have to attend any damn meetings. Don't worry about it,though. You are so obviously looney that if you were ever called up they would send you back home again. sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-22   15:36:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: sneakypete (#14) No,it's not. That's why it's called a "unorganized militia". They/we don't have to attend any damn meetings. Don't worry about it,though. You are so obviously looney that if you were ever called up they would send you back home again. Are you going to volunteer to be an armed security guard at your local school? I think you're the type of guy LaPierre was referring to.. retired military and/or law enforcement. After all, you're pretty handy with a firearm, right? Would you have been able to stop the shooter in CT? meguro  posted on  2012-12-22   16:39:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: meguro (#17) Are you going to volunteer to be an armed security guard at your local school? I would if they would ask me,but that's not likely due to my age. I think you're the type of guy LaPierre was referring to.. retired military and/or law enforcement. After all, you're pretty handy with a firearm, right? Yup. Would you have been able to stop the shooter in CT? Yes,but unless I was close to the door he shot the window out of and then unlocked it to get in,chances are he would have killed a few of the children before I could have taken him out. Then again,if I had been the one to set up security at the school,the doors would be wired to alarms to let people know about an intruder,and there would have been someone armed in each end of each building near the doors. IF that were the case and he came in the door near me,he would have never gotten to a classroom. I would have been coming right at him going for a headshot,and he would have panicked. Don't forget,these people are cowards. That's why they use guns to go after defenseless children. sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-22   19:59:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: sneakypete (#18) I would if they would ask me,but that's not likely due to my age. Hopefully anyone with an Aspergers DX is automatically off the list. mininggold  posted on  2012-12-23   11:37:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: mininggold (#21) (Edited) Hopefully anyone with an Aspergers DX is automatically off the list. ROFLMAO! Yet I had a top secret crypto security clearance when I was in the army,and have walked into arms rooms and carried out crates of grenades and mines just by asking for them. Here you are exhibiting your own stupidity by claiming once again that I am stupid or mentally defective. If I were mentally defective,I would be a Dim or a neo-con,dummy. sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-23   12:32:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: sneakypete (#29) (Edited) ROFLMAO! Yet I had a top secret crypto security clearance when I was in the army,and have walked into arms rooms and carried out crates of grenades and mine just by asking for them. Here you are exhibiting your own stupidity by claiming once again that I am stupid or mentally defective. If I were mentally defective,I would be a Dim or a neo-con,dummy. Every vet has a grandiose war story, the sane ones realize it occurred in the past and will never be repeated. If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now. mininggold  posted on  2012-12-23   12:36:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: mininggold (#31) Every vet has a grandiose war story, THAT was a war story? Do you actually know ANYTHING? If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now. Would you want to test this proclamation by running around in a open field and letting me shoot at you? Or even mo' betta,pick up a weapon and come running at me to see if I could take you out with a head shot? Enquiring minds,an all dat. sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-23   12:53:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: sneakypete (#34) THAT was a war story? Do you actually know ANYTHING? If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now. Would you want to test this proclamation by running around in a open field and letting me shoot at you? Or even mo' betta,pick up a weapon and come running at me to see if I could take you out with a head shot? Enquiring minds,an all dat. You are going off into crazy land now, and it took very stress to get you to that point. Please stay away from our schools. mininggold  posted on  2012-12-23   12:56:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 37. #40. To: mininggold (#37) Please stay away from our schools. Why should he stay away from the schools? A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-23 13:10:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: mininggold (#37) You are going off into crazy land now, and it took very stress to get you to that point. It took very stress? Looks to me like I'm not the one visiting your home town,you are going back to be the prom queen. Please stay away from our schools. And the hits just keep coming! First off,I quit high school so I could learn something.Several years later I got both a HS and a 2 year college credit just by taking the tests. I could cut my IQ in half and still be smarter than you. I tried going back to college after that,but got kicked out after humiliating a professor in class after he got verbal with me. The man was a fool,like most who teach because they are unqualified to do anything else,and teaching history he knew nothing about. I called him on each of his false statements,and gave evidence as to why they were false. He was strongly against the VN war,and even said in class that it wasn't a "real war like WW-2 that I served in". I asked him in open class how much combat he saw in WW-2 while serving in the US Coast Guard in Portsmouth,Virginia,and how this qualified him to speak about "Real wars" when he had never been in one." At the time I was having to go to the VA hospital every Wednesday afternoon for physical therapy,and being totally lacking in balls he got even with me by changed the test day from Friday to Wednesday,and then gave me a zero each Wednesday and refused to allow me to take makeup tests so he could flunk me. After that he went to the Dean and said I was speaking to him in a threatening manner in class,flunking out of his class,not attending his classes,and should be dis enrolled. Then he wrote a formal letter of complaint to the VA showing all my F test results,and claiming I was ripping off the taxpayer by being paid my VA benefits while I was unable to attend classes every day like every other student,and that I had even been dis-enrolled because of my many absences. When I went to the Dean to protest,he sided with his fellow weasel. Which I guess he pretty much had to do because of the prof having tenure and being afraid of a law suit. I found out about the letter to the VA when I got a letter from them demanding I pay them back every dime they had given me under the GI bill for that quarter. I ended up losing my disability pay after the VA stopped it in order to recover the money they had given me under the GI Bill. The fact that I didn't kill that gutless weasel is proof enough that I am not the mental case a mental case like you claims that I am. So is the fact my ex is running around as free as a bird and not even limping. I even run into her occasionally at the grocery store,and we speak briefly to each other in a civilized tone of voice. What I am proving here is that you may even be too stupid to be a Dim. sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-23 13:24:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 37. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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