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Title: FERRET MIKE POSTING QUEER PROPAGANDA AGAIN: The 'Queen James' Gay Bible Now Sold on Amazon
Source: gay.net/news
URL Source: http://www.gay.net/news/2012/12/13/ ... ames-gay-bible-now-sold-amazon
Published: Dec 15, 2012
Author: By: Jase Peeples
Post Date: 2012-12-15 23:59:16 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 38583
Comments: 71

According to many scholars, the passages found in Genesis and Leviticus that condemn homosexuality were not always a part of the King James Bible. Instead, they were added at a later time.

Thankfully, a new interpretation of the sacred text dubbed The “Queen James Bible” is now available on Amazon – sans those anti-gay additions – in an attempt to usher in an era of tolerant Christianity.

Yay, we say unto thee, this fabulous Bible is described thus:

The King James Bible is the most popular Bible of all time, and arguably the most important English language document of all time. The brainchild and namesake of King James I, who wanted an English language Bible that all could own and read, it has been in print for over 400 years and has brought more people to Christ than any other Bible translation. Commonly known to biographers but often surprising to most Christians, King James I was a well-known bisexual. Though he did marry a woman, his many gay relationships were so well-known that amongst some of his friends and court, he was known as “Queen James.” It is in his great debt and honor that we name The Queen James Bible so.

After hearing this fabulous news were only left with two questions:

1.) Does this mean we can now officially open prayer with “Hey ghurl” instead of “Are you there God?”

2.) How many of you will be sending a copy to relatives for Christmas? (1 image)

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Obviously those fools don't believe there is a God, else they wouldn't try so hard to piss Him off.

Abcdefg  posted on  2012-12-16   0:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret Mike (#0) (Edited)

King James I was a well-known bisexual

Well Adam & Eve were straight, unless there was a whole lot of immaculate conception going on.

They should have put a pic of Willie-Mitt on the cover to boost sales.



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-16   0:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Abcdefg (#1)

King James Version: Romans Chapter 1

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-16   7:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Abcdefg (#1)

Obviously those fools don't believe there is a God, else they wouldn't try so hard to piss Him off

Obviously if there is a God,He doesn't give a damn,or he would have never allowed it to happen.

Don't you people have enough to worry about without worrying about someone else's sex life?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-16   8:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

Obviously if there is a God,He doesn't give a damn,or he would have never allowed it to happen.

Don't you people have enough to worry about without worrying about someone else's sex life?

Yep. The Bible says that nothing happens except by God's design. Leave it to the fundies to determine that God is doing bad stuff to us poor old mortals again.

And this current crop of fundies seem more like gossipy old women, who get their jollies off by putting their noses under everyone elses's sheets.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   10:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#3)

King James Version: Romans Chapter 1

The King James Version was written as the English Monarchy Preservation Act OR How to Keep the Peons in Line with Faith in Magic and Sorcery or You Go to Hell Act.

Whereby it was determined that the only one more holy than the King of England was Jesus.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   11:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mininggold, sneakypete (#5)

I think God gave us free will and the ability make mistakes.

Abcdefg  posted on  2012-12-16   11:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Abcdefg (#7)

I think God gave us free will and the ability make mistakes.

For which, according to the Bible, you will get punished.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   11:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: hondo68 (#2)

Well Adam & Eve were straight, unless there was a whole lot of immaculate conception going on

Too bad their children practiced incest.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   11:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mininggold (#9)

Adam was the first man God made, not the ONLY man God made. Nor was Eve the only woman God made. The bible is about a lot of things, but not everything.

Abcdefg  posted on  2012-12-16   12:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Abcdefg (#10)

Adam was the first man God made, not the ONLY man God made. Nor was Eve the only woman God made. The bible is about a lot of things, but not everything.

So what were the names of the others? Somehow one would think that the founding generation of all human kind should be important enough to be mentioned by name.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   12:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#11) (Edited)

So what were the names of the others?

That's a silly question. The bible doesn't name every person who existed throughout history.

Abcdefg  posted on  2012-12-16   12:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Abcdefg (#7)

I think God gave us free will and the ability make mistakes.

And the fundies seem determined to take that away,although in the case of homosexuality the only people who have any choice are the bi-sexuals.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-16   12:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Abcdefg (#12) (Edited)

I didn't ask for that, I asked for names of the founding generation. Leaving it at just two implies incest in their children.

Certainly God would not be in favor of that and could easily avoid it by sending down a few more names to the human scribes who were busy writing down the info received from God.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   12:52:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mininggold (#14)

Check which thread you're responding to.

Abcdefg  posted on  2012-12-16   12:59:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Abcdefg (#15)

Check which thread you're responding to.

I just love that edit feature!

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   13:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Abcdefg (#15)

I used to get mocked and ridiculed by one of my fundy aunts for asking these and other impertinent questions about the Bible.

She died a few months ago and it's sort of funny as she seems to talk to me in my dreams now. It seems heaven is not the RIP reward for a Christian life well lived that she was led to believe, and she has a few lessons she has to work on over there too.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   13:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Abcdefg, Ferret Mike (#1) (Edited)

Obviously those fools don't believe there is a God, else they wouldn't try so hard to piss Him off.

For those who claim they don't believe in HIM, or HIS written word, they do spend an awful lot of time talking and thinking about HIM, and they have every reason for HIM to be on thier minds, for they know they cannot get away with blaming the suffering of the world on HIM when He gave them all a Free Will, man has the power and knowledge to end suffering and misery, but he chose wealth, power and greed instead, and has only himself to blame. JMHO!

Revelation 22:18-19: "For I testify unto everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

(“You can't always control who walks into your life but, you can control which window you throw them out of.”)

Murron  posted on  2012-12-16   13:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: mininggold (#14)

Leaving it at just two implies incest in their children.

Of course their was. It wasn't til later that that was forbidden. Probably to let people have a more diverse gene pool. The first generations had more diverse genes. Over time that wasn't the case.

Even you monkey fuckers don't believe that humans have evolved from different species.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-16   16:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)

16: And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17: And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

We can see here that there were other people in other lands, not mentioned previously in the bible.

Abcdefg  posted on  2012-12-16   16:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Abcdefg (#20)

We can see here that there were other people in other lands, not mentioned previously in the bible.

Chapter 5

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: Note

Click to learn about ADAM, the first man What was Adam, the first man, really like?

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and HE BEGAT SONS AND DAUGHTERS:

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-16   16:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#19)

God's plan ... sexual reproduction --- procreate !

fa**et mike --- replicate --- deviate !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-12-16   16:37:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#19)

It seems like Faggy Mike has turned into a hit and run poster. He posts this crap and then runs away and hides.

Afraid to look at the replies, I guess. Come out from under the bed Mikey!



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-16   16:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Abcedfg (#21)

That may be chronologically after what you quoted. But that doesn't mean it happened before.

Notice that the book starts off with "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man,". That means it is at the start. It is just going back and making things more clear.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-16   16:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone, Abcdefg (#21)

Chapter 5

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: Note

Click to learn about ADAM, the first man What was Adam, the first man, really like?

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and HE BEGAT SONS AND DAUGHTERS:

Also! Adam lived to be 930, the bible does not say how long Eve lived, but it had to of been a few hundred yrs also in order to populate this earth with their children.

Anyone who can live so long can produce many tribes of children, children who go their separate ways when grown. These children outlived todays people by hundreds years, barring accidents, murders and desease, and bore many children during their lifespans.

What many can't seem to take is that this would mean the children committed 'incest', but this was in the beginning to populate the earth, what may be loathsome and a crime to us today, was not in Adams time.

Since the Bible describes all human beings as sinners, except Jesus, and we are all related (“And He has made all nations of men of one blood to dwell on all the face of the earth” Acts 17:26), the gospel makes sense only on the basis that all humans alive and all who have ever lived are descendants of the first man Adam. If this were not so, then the gospel could not be explained or defended.

There were other people in other lands, but they were all decendents of Adam and Eve who had left home and created their own tribes. Adam and Eve had many other children before, and after them.

JMHO!

(“You can't always control who walks into your life but, you can control which window you throw them out of.”)

Murron  posted on  2012-12-16   17:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#4)

(deleted...) (deleted) I (deleted) (deleted)(deleted) dick breath.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-12-16   18:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68 (#23) (Edited)

It seems like Faggy Mike has turned into a hit and run poster. He posts this crap and then runs away and hides.

Afraid to look at the replies, I guess. Come out from under the bed Mikey!

Fuck off shithead. I have a seasonal job I am working 12 hour days five days a week for Harry And David working as a coach for telephone sales reps.

I've done it every year for decades, which is why I coach now. I don't have time to cater to this failed forum and haveother things actually worthwhile to do, unlike posting here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-12-16   18:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#19)

Of course their was. It wasn't til later that that was forbidden. Probably to let people have a more diverse gene pool. The first generations had more diverse genes. Over time that wasn't the case.

Are you sure? Since Eve was made from Adam's rib, according to current human DNA she would be a clone (hence a male) of Adam. Maybe God made the earlier generations able to asexually reproduce.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   20:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike, Hondo68 (#27)

Fuck off shithead. I have a seasonal job I am working 12 hour days five days a week for Harry And David working as a coach for telephone sales reps.

Hondo thinks everyone can spend 24/7 on this site posting spam like he does. He's probably got Badeye's record already beat.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-16   20:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mininggold (#29)

Hondo thinks everyone can spend 24/7 on this site posting spam like he does. He's probably got Badeye's record already beat.

He posted one thread yesterday were he recycled someone else's commnt as his own. I actually have tended to like Hodo dispite our obvious differences. But if he wants to start gay baiting me merely because he hates my position on this issue, I have no problems with butting heads with this guy who thinks baiting over discussion is the way to go.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-12-16   20:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mininggold (#6)

The King James Version was written as the English Monarchy Preservation Act OR How to Keep the Peons in Line with Faith in Magic and Sorcery or You Go to Hell Act.

That right there has always made me wonder why anybody would want to read that or any newer versions...

I would think they would want to read this version or something even older!!

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

CZ82  posted on  2012-12-16   22:17:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: CZ82 (#31)

Catholics use the Douay-Rheims Bible



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-16   22:53:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#30) (Edited)

gay baiting

You posted this gay baiting thread. Who put the verses into the Bible that they took out of this queenie one?

They claim that someone put them in "later", but don't say who. Aren't they in the Geneva Bible, as well as the Douay-Rheims Bible and the latin vulgate? If they were "added later" how come they've been around so long?

Is "F' you" a direct quote from queen james?



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-16   23:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68 (#33) (Edited)

You posted this gay baiting thread. Who put the verses into the Bible that they took out of this queenie one?

It's a free country so don't read it. No one knows for certain who authored half the books in the Bible, but Christians will continute to squabble about "who is right" until ....... It's a book with the perfect formula to keep preachers rolling in dough trying to spin it's hundreds of inconsistencies.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-17   1:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#34)

hundreds of inconsistencies.

Yet you are such a moron you can't name one. You really are stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-17   6:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: hondo68 (#32)

Catholics use the Douay-Rheims Bible

Thank you...

Doesn't it contain "books and passages" that are missing from other Bibles, like the Hebrew version??

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

CZ82  posted on  2012-12-17   8:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#36)

Doesn't it contain "books and passages" that are missing from other Bibles, like the Hebrew version??

Yeah, but the "Our Father" that protestants use has an extra verse at the end. It's in the Catholic bible, but we just don't use it when saying that prayer.

I had an Aunt that was prot, and she seemed to consider it her duty to read to us kids from the KJV. She liked to freak us out by adding that extra verse.

"For thine is the kingdom, and the power and the glory......."



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-17   9:28:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: hondo68 (#37)

Yeah, but the "Our Father" that protestants use has an extra verse at the end. It's in the Catholic bible, but we just don't use it when saying that prayer.

I didn't know you guys didn't use the last verse, well looks like I learned something today...

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

CZ82  posted on  2012-12-17   10:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Abcdefg, A K A Stone (#20)

16: And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17: And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

We can see here that there were other people in other lands, not mentioned previously in the bible.

NOT true,ABC. We all know from da Holie Bible that dey wuz only 4 people on the brand new planet back then,and we all know da Holie Bible doesn't lie to us because it is the exact word of Gawd,just as they fell out of his mouth.

What happened was that Cain went to a new land (wasn't it ALL new back then?) and as he was wandering around lost and lonesome,a monkey jumped out of a tree and said "Hi,Sailor! New in town?"

And since the only other female that had ever made him this offer was his mother,we all know what happened next.

Thus it is possible we are a product of both divine intervention from both God and from Cain's POV,a monkey jumping out of a tree. A combination of Creationism AND evolution.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   11:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#39)

Is it just monkeys you fuck or other animals too?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-17   11:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: hondo68 (#23)

It seems like Faggy Mike has turned into a hit and run poster. He posts this crap and then runs away and hides.

BullBush x 2.

Posting here may be your whole life,but that's not true of everyone else. He clearly stated he has a extra job right now and doesn't have the time to come here every day.

Secondly,WHY would he "run away and hide"? Are you going to press a button on your keyboard and kick his ass? Or maybe you think your biting wit intimidates him? If you had any clue at all about his posting activity over the years,you would know that he doesn't back down from anybody and that he is one of the most honest posters on the internet. Damn near everything about him is public knowledge because he put it out there himself. He hides from nothing.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   11:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#35) (Edited)

Most of Genesis is inconsistent, dummy. The fable of Noah is totally unreal and meant only for the mentally ill to understand.

Revelations is just a magical foil to keep the Christian ignorati hoping for an end to whatever miseries they caused for themselves in this world, while sending their pitiful tithes to their living shamans who promise glory in the afterlife if they jump through a few hoops.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-17   11:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Murron (#25)

this would mean the children committed 'incest', but this was in the beginning to populate the earth, what may be loathsome and a crime to us today,

Not if you are a Muslim or a Arab. Even the Royal Families "keep it in the family" as a part of their tradition. Cousins sign contracts to marry off their children to other cousins long before the children even reach puberty.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   11:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mininggold (#29)

Hondo thinks everyone can spend 24/7 on this site posting spam like he does. He's probably got Badeye's record already beat.

Not a chance. Some records will stand forever.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   11:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#39)

What happened was that Cain went to a new land (wasn't it ALL new back then?) and as he was wandering around lost and lonesome,a monkey jumped out of a tree and said "Hi,Sailor! New in town?"

You crack me up, petey.

I thought the line was, "Hi, Sailor! Going my way?"

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-12-17   11:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

But if he wants to start gay baiting me merely because he hates my position on this issue,

The site owner does this to me for the same reason. He's even called me a homosexual and seems to get wood when talking about how God is going to punish me for thinking homosexuals are people with rights,just like everybody else.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   12:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: sneakypete, Hondo68 (#44)

Not a chance. Some records will stand forever.

I used to like Hondo but he seems rather demented lately.

I think he used to work for the oil companies. Hopefull not out in the fields. Those guys die of all kinds of nasty cancers.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-17   12:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#42)

Most of Genesis is inconsistent, dummy. The fable of Noah is totally unreal and meant only for the mentally ill to understand.

Specifics bitch.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-12-17   12:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#40)

Is it just monkeys you fuck or other animals too?

Why do you ask? Are you afraid of competition?

Has it ever occurred to you that if you ever get a sex life of your own that you might spend less time worrying about the sex lives of others?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   12:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Fred Mertz (#45)

I thought the line was, "Hi, Sailor! Going my way?"

Maybe that was a left coast thing?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   12:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mininggold (#47)

I used to like Hondo but he seems rather demented lately.

I still like him. We all have good days and bad days,and maybe he's just hit a stretch of bad days in a row?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   12:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mininggold (#47)

Those guys die of all kinds of nasty cancers.

Hondope went through the wringer with some sort of colon cancer and is lucky to be wiff us. I'm not so sure if we're lucky to be wiff him;^)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-12-17   12:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike, Hondo68, A K A Stone (#30) (Edited)

But if he wants to start gay baiting me merely because he hates my position on this issue, I have no problems with butting heads with this guy who thinks baiting over discussion is the way to go.

He thinks gays don't have the same rights as heteros. Maybe he would be in favor of gays paying less taxes since he believes they are entitled to only be covered by certain parts of the constitution, not all of it.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-17   12:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Fred Mertz, Hondo68 (#52) (Edited)

Hondope went through the wringer with some sort of colon cancer and is lucky to be wiff us. I'm not so sure if we're lucky to be wiff him;^)

He might need a scan of the brain. Those cancers are also high on the list for our good little folks working in the oil fields.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-17   12:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold, Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#53)

He thinks gays don't have the same rights as heteros

Gay is an emotional state, you mean homosexuals.

Everyone has the same God given rights, or natural rights if you prefer. There's no enumerated power in the US Constitution to grant marriage licenses to anyone. It's none of the US governments business if a man and a woman get married, or if a few homos live together and pretend to be married. If some queer Mormon governor in Massachusetts wants to give out homo "marriage licenses" that's their problem, I don't live there and he'll never be president. Their plan to keep from going extinct seems to be recruitment, and import some illegal alien invaders.

What bugs me is that the "gay" mafia is trying to rewrite the dictionary.

Gay = Happy

Marriage = A man and a woman united in the bonds of holy matrimony.

Some angry fags living together is not so gay, and it's not a marriage. Ripping a few pages out of the Bible and calling it Queen James, doesn't change anything for the vast majority of Americans. Their theological justification for doing so seems to be nonexistent. It's a free county, they can just print stuff up, but who'll buy them? Just a handful of Mitt voters, the Lindsey Graham type neocons & the progressive tea baggers.



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-17   13:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone, mininggold (#48)

"Most of Genesis is inconsistent, dummy. The fable of Noah is totally unreal and meant only for the mentally ill to understand".

"Specifics bitch".

The Apostle Peter's Prophecy

Peter spent three years traveling in the company of Jesus Christ Himself. Then Peter was a witness to Jesus' death and the bodily resurrection. Peter and the other disciples also received extraordinary ability and authority with the gift of God's Holy Spirit. Thus the books of the New Testament that bear his name not only come from his pen, but have the authority of God.

In 2 Peter 3:5-6, the apostle Peter prophesied that there would be scoffers who would come in the last days choosing to be ignorant of the fact that God created the heaven and the earth, and that God later destroyed everything on the surface of the earth by a global watery cataclysm.

Peter stated in 2 Peter 3:3, "knowing this first." This denotes Peter placed first priority on this prophecy, which is about those who would reject the account of creation and the global Flood in Genesis 1- 11 as real history.

What is quite remarkable is the explanation Peter gives as to why these scoff and reject the physical evidence that He created the heavens and the earth and sent a global mountain-covering flood. 2 Peter 3:4 tells that these scoffers' philosophy will be that "all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." This is an apt description of the philosophy of uniformitarianism, popularized by Charles Lyell in the 1830s, that "the present is the key to the past." Thus we can extrapolate geological processes shaping the earth today back in time to explain how earth’s rock features were formed.

It was on the basis of this philosophy that billions of years of slow and gradual geological processes became the foundation for modern geology. This provided the timescale necessary for the theory of organic evolution to explain the development of all life on the earth, instead of accepting that God had created it all.

Peter wrote an accurate description of these scoffers more than 1,700 years ago. Peter believed that the opening chapters of Genesis were real history and he predicted what we see today--the rejection of special creation by God and the rejection of the global Flood.

Genesis: Real, Reliable, Historical

Why Take Genesis Seriously?

The first eleven chapters of the Bible have been relegated by many to the category of myths, not real history. These are said to contain spiritual truth, but they cannot be taken seriously as records of real people and events. Many sincere Christians who believe the Bible do not know what their pastors believe about the historicity of Genesis. Is it safe to assume that these believe in the following truths?

1.God created everything in six 24-hour days.

2.Adam and Eve were real people.

3.God cursed a perfect world as a judgment for sin.

4.Noah constructed an Ark by which two of every kind of air-breathing, land- dwelling animal were saved along with Noah's family from a global flood.

5.The confusion of languages at the Tower of Babel produced the language groups that are found around the world today.

An alarming number of Christian leaders and teachers instead believe that God "created" through evolutionary processes over millions of years, that Adam and Eve descended from a hominid population, and that there has never been a global flood, suggesting that the account of Noah and the Ark is a story adapted from a Babylonian myth.

Mainstream Christian orthodoxy regarded the opening chapters of Genesis as just as real and reliable as the rest of the Bible until 150-200 years ago. So what has happened?

This downgrading of the early chapters of Genesis has coincided with the rise of uniformitarian philosophy as the cornerstone of modern geology and of evolution as the core of modern biology. Christians have been ignorant of the process that has gradually changed their whole approach to the Bible. Consequently, Christian churches throughout the world reject the early chapters of Genesis as history, resulting in all manner of compromise intended to force geological ages and organic evolution into the Scriptures. Many Christians have shelved this apparent conflict as being divisive, too difficult to resolve, or irrelevant to the Christian faith.

Genesis as Reliable History

Yet the conflict still rages. What makes it more intense is that in the ranks of those Christians who have not compromised the historicity of Genesis are many scientists with doctoral degrees from the modern education system.

The Creation Science Movement in Great Britain and the Creation Research Society, which now boasts a membership of over 600 individuals with graduate degrees in science, have sought to remain faithful to accepting Genesis as reliable history. The Institute for Creation Research employed scientists with Ph.D.s to work full-time in creationist research, writing, and teaching. Other creationist groups were subsequently formed so that today there are creationist organizations in all corners of the globe.

So why would thousands of highly-trained scientists not only believe Genesis to be reliable history, but base their scientific research on the details and implications of that history? It stems foremost from their Christian convictions.

The Bible never claims to be a textbook on history or science, but if God is who He claims to be, then He has all knowledge and power, and never makes mistakes. Therefore, if the Bible is the Word of God, then it must be truthful, even when it touches upon matters of history and science. Otherwise, this Creator God is a liar. The very character of God requires the first eleven chapters of Genesis to be a trustworthy record.

The subsequent pages of Genesis recount the early history of the nation of Israel, beginning with Abraham. Few conservative Christian scholars would deny the historicity of these later chapters in Genesis. Yet many regard the creation account as a form of ancient Hebrew poetry, even though the genre throughout the first eleven chapters of Genesis is no different to that used in the remainder of the book. The conflict occurs not with the language but with the supposed scientific facts that insist on a multi-billion-year-old earth and organic evolution. A choice has to be made between Scripture, which is authored by God, and modern science, authored by men.

Liberal Christian scholars insist that Genesis was written perhaps as late as the post-Babylonian exile. But such claims overlook that in the pre-Flood world, people built cities, had tools of brass and iron, and made musical instruments. In Genesis 5, the record of Adam ends with the expression "this is the book of the generations of Adam." There is no reason to suppose that Adam and his descendants were not able to write and keep records, remembering that on the sixth day of creation Adam named all the animals, thus demonstrating his intellectual capacity.

Moses, the traditionally recognized author of Genesis, simply had to compile the book of Genesis from the records kept by Adam and his descendants. Thus Genesis reads as eyewitness accounts.

If the Creator God of the Bible is who He says He is, then not only is He capable of accurately telling us about the early universe, the earth, and man, but He is capable of having the details truthfully recorded and transmitted through successive generations.

Jesus Regarded Genesis as Real History

If Jesus was (and is) both the Creator God and a perfect man, then His pronouncements are always and absolutely trustworthy. And Jesus referred directly to details in each of the first seven chapters of Genesis fifteen times. For example, Jesus referred to Genesis 1:26-27 when He said in Mark 10:6, "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." Man was created male and female "from the beginning of the creation," not after millions of years. In the very next verse, Jesus quotes directly from Genesis 2:24 when He said, "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; and they twain shall be one flesh." Five times Jesus refers to Noah and/or the destructive global Flood as real history. If He, as the Creator, was actually a witness to the events of Genesis 1-11, then we have no alternative but to regard these opening chapters of the Bible as reliable history.

The Reliability of the Whole Bible Depends on Genesis as History

It is impossible to reject the historicity of the book of Genesis without repudiating the authority of the entire Bible. If Genesis is not true, then neither are the testimonies of those prophets and apostles who believed it was true. In the Old Testament, for example, Adam is mentioned in Deuteronomy, Job, and 1 Chronicles, while Noah is mentioned in 1 Chronicles, Isaiah, and Ezekiel. There are at least 100 quotations or direct references to Genesis 1-11 in the New Testament. Furthermore, every one of those eleven chapters is alluded to in the New Testament, and every one of the New Testament authors refers somewhere in his writings to Genesis 1-11.

In not one of these Old or New Testament references to Genesis is there the slightest evidence that the writers regarded the events as myths or allegories. The word genesis means "beginnings" or "origin," so Genesis 1-11 records for us God's provision of the only reliable account of the origin of the universe, the solar system, the earth, the atmosphere, and the oceans, of order and complexity, life, man, marriage, evil, language, government, culture, nations, and religion, not to mention rocks and fossils. Thus Genesis 1-11 is of such foundational importance to all history that without it there is no true understanding of ourselves or our world.

What we believe about our origin will inevitably determine our beliefs concerning our purpose and our destiny. Naturalistic concepts provide no hope of there being anything more than what we see around us. On the other hand, an origin at the hands of an all powerful, loving God guarantees a meaning to our existence, and a future. By not taking Genesis seriously, many Christians have in fact undermined the rest of the Bible they claim to believe and follow. They are also in danger of unwittingly accusing Jesus Christ of being a false witness, deceived, or a deceiver.

The Pivotal Importance of the Flood

The creation account in Genesis 1 is undoubtedly profound. However, the global Flood in Noah's day is of pivotal importance in understanding the present geology of the earth. Furthermore, more than any other branch of science, geology has been most affected by uniformitarianism. This philosophy and evolution have brought about rejection of Genesis 1-11, even by Christians. It is no wonder that the apostle Peter was led to single out those who reject the Genesis accounts. But God has also left in the rocks, fossils, and living world evidence that unmistakably testifies to the trustworthiness of the Genesis record.

Therefore, Earth's Catastrophic Past will focus on the global Flood as described in Genesis, and the scientific evidence that has convinced many that Genesis must be taken as history. The evidence we can observe today should be consistent with what we read in Genesis, because if it is God's Word, even details of science and history must be correct.

This book first re-examines the biblical record. Then it deals with the non- geological arguments that are often used to discount Genesis. The next task is to build the framework for a scriptural geology. The Flood description implies catastrophism and utter devastation, and therefore we would expect the field data to be in harmony. The radioactive dating methods, geological processes, coal beds, oil, mineral deposits, and more can be seen only as perceived problems, not real ones.

By the end of this study, readers will have their faith restored in Genesis as real, literal history, and be convinced that the scientific evidence, correctly discerned and applied, is indeed consistent with God’s record of our origins and history found in Genesis 1-11.

SOURCE: Institution for Creation Research

(“You can't always control who walks into your life but, you can control which window you throw them out of.”)

Murron  posted on  2012-12-17   13:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#54)

working in the oil fields

I've never worked for any oil company, or in any oil fields. Another progressive fantasy blown all to hell.

However I was spraying palaypa's with Mexican diesel fuel, which I've speculated might have caused my Colin cancer. It was a homemade rig with a 5gal propane tank, a small portable air compressor, and a weed sprayer wand. I had to pay the regular price at the Pemex station, no elitist 1%er discount. :(



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-17   14:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: hondo68 (#33)

"You posted this gay baiting thread."

I wouldn't of without the bait retitled thread Stone posted.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-12-17   15:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: hondo68 (#55)

He thinks gays don't have the same rights as heteros

Gay is an emotional state, you mean homosexuals.

Everyone has the same God given rights, or natural rights if you prefer. There's no enumerated power in the US Constitution to grant marriage licenses to anyone. It's none of the US governments business if a man and a woman get married, or if a few homos live together and pretend to be married. If some queer Mormon governor in Massachusetts wants to give out homo "marriage licenses" that's their problem, I don't live there and he'll never be president. Their plan to keep from going extinct seems to be recruitment, and import some illegal alien invaders.

What bugs me is that the "gay" mafia is trying to rewrite the dictionary.

Gay = Happy

When you are right,you are right.

If only you had stopped there.....

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   17:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: hondo68 (#57)

However I was spraying palaypa's with Mexican diesel fuel, which I've speculated might have caused my Colin cancer.

Diesel fuel is some nasty stuff,regardless of where it came from.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2012-12-17   17:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: hondo68 (#57)

I had to pay the regular price at the Pemex station, no elitist 1%er discount. :(

Those Pemex stations along the Mayan Riviera are rip-offs; or at least they used to be.

I have a gravel driveway and someone suggested diesel fuel for killing the growing weeds. Will diesel eat up my 2 gallon plastic sprayer? Will diesel give me colon cancer or is that a uniquely Mexican diesel thing? Thanks in advance for your sage advice.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-12-18   12:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Murron (#56) (Edited)

Jesus Regarded Genesis as Real History

So .....did Jesus mention which version from which Bible that he would most most likely prefer 1500 years after he died?

Did he ever even mention that his life and early Jewish mythology would be compiled in a written version?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-18   12:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Fred Mertz (#61)

have a gravel driveway and someone suggested diesel fuel for killing the growing weeds. Will diesel eat up my 2 gallon plastic sprayer? Will diesel give me colon cancer or is that a uniquely Mexican diesel thing? Thanks in advance for your sage advice.

Spraying oneself with oil or gasoline, and turning one's property into a superfund site is NEVER a good thing. Get a good propane flamer if you want instant results.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-18   12:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: hondo68 (#57)

However I was spraying palaypa's with Mexican diesel fuel,

What's a palaypa?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-18   12:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Fred Mertz (#61)

Will diesel eat up my 2 gallon plastic sprayer? Will diesel give me colon cancer

a gravel driveway

Nah, it should be OK. I was spraying the stuff at the roof so I got drenched of course.

The real health hazard in your situation is Obama's EPA. They'll lynch ya! Your driveway will be declared a navigable waterway, so they can use the interstate commerce clause.

You'd better edit that out, unless you're on the res and have special minority privilege to "destroy the planet". Some pigs are more equal than others.

Speaking of snitches, did Stone ban Brian S? I kinda miss his communist propaganda.



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-18   12:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mininggold (#63)

Get a good propane flamer if you want instant results.

I'll keep that in mind come spring. Thanks!

I know what a palapa is but not sure how to spell it. I'll see if I can find a pic to better illustrate than explain - they come in all sizes. I've been told its design is hundreds if not thousands of years old....I've seen them all over the Yucatan peninsula and not sure where else they are popular and functional.

p.s. I did spell it correctly!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-12-18   13:00:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#64)

What's a palaypa?

A building with a Bamboo and Fan Palm roof. I think Gilligan and the Skipper had one.

Bugs love em, but hate diesel fuel.



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-18   13:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: hondo68 (#65) (Edited)

The real health hazard in your situation is Obama's EPA. They'll lynch ya! Your driveway will be declared a navigable waterway, so they can use the interstate commerce clause.

You must really mean Nixon's EPA, since he created it.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-18   13:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: hondo68 (#67)

A building with a Bamboo and Fan Palm roof. I think Gilligan and the Skipper had one.

Bugs love em, but hate diesel fuel.

Too bad, as a few scorpions would only add a little more authenticity. to the experience

But it must create a real nice atmosphere under there, with the diesel fumes and all.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-12-18   13:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: hondo68 (#65)

Speaking of snitches, did Stone ban Brian S? I kinda miss his communist propaganda.

Not sure. Brian S is posting at Robin's Nest as they call TPForum.

Somehow Stone ticked Brian S off WRT the school shooting. Brian took it entirely too personally which is easy to do if you have the teebee on and they program your mind. IMO, of course.

He asked me on TPF to relay a note to Stoned, a note which was kind of nasty. I sent it. Stone went into one of his raving lunatic moods and sent me 3 PMs in return. Brian thought he'd cancelled his PM to me but I got it and relayed it - oh well, now I'm the bad guy.

Stay tuned...

Fred Mertz  posted on  2012-12-18   13:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Fred Mertz (#70)

a note which was kind of nasty

Those go in the editorial section. Git er done!



"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2012-12-18   13:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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