LF: CBS News: 26 Dead, Including 18 Children, In Elementary School Shooting (WH Carney talks gun ban)

Title: CBS News: 26 Dead, Including 18 Children, In Elementary School Shooting (WH Carney talks gun ban)
Source: CBS Connecticut
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Published: Dec 14, 2012
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CBS News’ John Miller reports there is preliminary information that the gunman was the father of one of the students. Miller additionally reports the gunman is 20 years old and is from New Jersey.

CBS News is confirming that a second body has been found in the New Jersey home of the shooter.

A law enforcement official in Washington said the attacker was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school and that one of the guns was a .223-caliber rifle. The official also said that New Jersey State Police were searching a location in that state in connection with the shootings. That official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation. It is not known whether the shooter took his own life or was killed.

“The shooter is deceased inside the building,” State Police Lt. Paul Vance said during a press conference, adding that the scene is secure.

CBS News reports that a potential second shooter is in custody and that SWAT is now investigating the home of the suspect.

A witness tells WFSB-TV that a second man was taken out of the woods in handcuffs wearing a black jacket and camouflage pants and telling parents on the scene, “I did not do it.”

Fox Connecticut reports that the shooting began in the kindergarten classroom.

“It’s just a bad situation,” Newtown Assistant Fire Chief Kevin Stoyak told CBS 2.

NPR is reporting that Connecticut is reaching out to other states to help with autopsies because they don’t have enough medical examiners.

Two students and a teacher were also injured in the shooting and they were taken to Dansbury Hospital, spokeswoman Diane Burke told CBS News York.

Parents flooded to Sandy Hook Elementary School, about 60 miles northeast of New York City, looking for their children in the wake of the shooting. Students were told to close their eyes by police as they were led from the building.

“It was a very orderly evacuation given the circumstances,” Connecticut Post reporter Brian Koonz told CBS New York.

One mother tells CBS 2 reporter Lou Young that it’s like a “war zone” in Newtown. Her child told Young he was about to deliver the attendance sheet to the principal’s office when bullets started going by his head and that a teacher pulled him into a classroom.

Another mother described to Young the devastation parents felt when they found out their children didn’t survive the shooting.

“All these parents were waiting for their children to come out. There were 20 parents that were just told that their children were dead,” she told Young.

Police responded to the school shooting at 9:41 a.m. WFSB-TV reporter Len Besthoff calls it a “chaotic scene.”

Stephen Delgiadice said his 8-year-old daughter heard two big bangs and teachers told her to get in a corner. His daughter was fine.

“It’s alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America,” he said.

Mergim Bajraliu, 17, heard the gunshots echo from his home and raced to check on his 9-year-old sister at the school. He said his sister, who was fine, heard a scream come over the intercom at one point. He said teachers were shaking and crying as they came out of the building.

“Everyone was just traumatized,” he said.

Richard Wilford’s 7-year-old son, Richie, is in the second grade at the school. His son told him that he heard a noise that “sounded like what he described as cans falling.”

The boy told him a teacher went out to check on the noise, came back in, locked the door and had the kids huddle up in the corner until police arrived.

“There’s no words,” Wilford said. “It’s sheer terror, a sense of imminent danger, to get to your child and be there to protect him.”

The school superintendent’s office says the district has locked down schools as a preventive measure to ensure the safety of students and staff. Schools in neighboring towns also were locked down as a precaution.

The White House said Barack Obama was notified of the shooting and his spokesman Jay Carney said the president had “enormous sympathy for families that are affected.”

Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy says he’s spoken with federal officials who have offered to provide help to the state and the Newtown community in the aftermath of a deadly grade school shooting.

Malloy arrived in Newtown on Friday afternoon, hours after a shooting that left the gunman dead and at least one teacher wounded.

The governor’s office said several state agencies, including emergency management, public health and the Department of Children and Families, will be coordinating the state’s response.

In addition, Malloy says State Police are coordinating law enforcement work with federal and local authorities.

This shooting rivals the massacres at Virginia Tech in 2007 where 32 people were killed and at Columbine High School in 1999 where 13 were gunned down.

The worst mass school murder in American history took place on May 18,1927 in Bath Township, Mich., when a former school board member set off three bombs that killed 45 people.

Carney at the White House says it's not the time to talk about a gun ban, but is unable to control himself, so talks about it anyway. Live Updates VIDIO: http://betaplayer.radio.com/player/1080-wtic-newstalk (1 image)

Every few months we read about students getting in trouble for bringing guns to school.

What we Once Knew… Thoughts on the Kindergarten Massacre Posted on December 14, 2012 by billrandles Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. (Jeremiah 17:7-10)

Why is it that an entire chapter of the Bible is dedicated to the story of Cain, the first recorded will worshipper and murderer? From the very beginning God wanted us to be aware of the consequences of the fall of man. We who were made “in the Image of God” are now fallen, our natures are corrupted, we now “know good and evil” but from the vantage point of evil.

Imagine Adam and Eve’s horror at what their sin had wrought, as they beheld the lifeless body of their son Abel, and listened to the self-serving rationalizations of Cain. They had brought this about. This new, insecure, deadly world of strife and murder they now lived in, came about as a direct result of their sin, and they well knew it.

I have had occasion to ponder similar thoughts in view of the horrifying assault on a kindergarten in Connecticut which claimed the lives of 28 people, most of them under six years old! What is this violent, godless, strange new world that we have wrought in America and the west over the past 60 years?

America has always had guns, but we have not always been this wantonly violent. The media opinion shapers and politicians are already scrambling to use this murder as an occasion to enact heavier regulation of gun control, and to treat innocent civilian gun owners as if they were all murderers in the making. Their knee jerk response is aways more Government control, because to the godless, Government is god!

But they would never dream of connecting the murderers with the widespread acceptance of abortion, (which cheapens all life), and with the Nihilistic cultural shift which accompanied the sexual and atheistic revolutions of the fifties and sixties. Once a culture buys into the idea of disposable life, in the womb, as an expression of personal autonomy, why be surprised by other forms of murder?

We as a society once knew better. Perhaps we shouldn’t have been hostile to the nativity scenes, or to the display of the Ten commandments and to public expressions of the fear of the Judeo Christian God which once graced our American life!

Could the steady dismantlement of anti pornography laws and statutes, or the public and political assault on the stability of marriage have anything to do with our new plague of wanton violence? Would the deliberate confusing of the God assigned sexual roles, in kindergarten and elementary schools have led to our plague of homicidal madness?

Or could it have something to do with our school’s recent dependence upon drugs, legal or illegal? Hundreds of thousands of our school children have since their youth, been put on Ritalin or other behaviour modifying drugs, (as of they were machines, or animals!). And we wonder that we have a drug problem?

The public schools have created this mess, ironically since the early sixties ( around the time God and prayer were expelled from our once enviably successful school systems). They liberated our schools from the stifling constraints of any acknowledgment of our Judeo Christian heritage. We no longer begin the day with a prayer.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.( 2 Timothy 3:1-5)

We used to know that man was fallen, and that no one is very far from murder, adultery, or any other defection from righteousness. We once knew that we desperately needed God, and that checks and balances on human nature were needful, that man should not be encouraged to “live unto himself”, or to be totally autonomous in his self-expression and development.

But we have jettisoned all of that, to create this “brave new world” of sexual confusion, drug induced behaviour modification, fixation on loyalty to self above all else, total freedom without restraint… and this nihilism is especially is preached in our public schools!

The hostility to any kind of discrimination taught in our schools and academies has something also to do with this madness. There really is good and evil. Evil Exists. Not all cultures, civilisations or “lifestyle choices” are equally valid. It is madness to really try to believe otherwise.

Ironically this unrepressed, drugged, pierced and tattooed generation we have produced, is led to believe they are freer than any generation that ever preceded them! They have been liberated from respect for life, the sanctity of marriage and sex, reverence, loyalty to any but self, and of course from true religion.

Theirs is the freedom of the astronaut who was floating in space, but bothered by the fact that he was still tethered from the lifeline that attached him to the space capsule. He wasn’t totally free yet was he? So he cut the line…in the name of total freedom, and found out too late that all he had freed himself from, was oxygen, and the opportunity to get back into the ship.

What we once knew, and I hope that even in the face of horrors such as this, we can yet recover, is that man os fallen, he is lost and needs God, his Word, His Law and His Salvation. It is not too late to repent!

http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/what-we-once-knew-thoughts-on-the- kindergarten-massacre/

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

What I want to know is what Hollywood movie or made in CA violent video games was this murderer watching/playing before he decided to take his mother's guns and go out killing.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

Fred as you probably know better than I would...I was told by my parents generation that people like this souless nut were kept off the streets back in the 'day'.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

The solution? A well armed staff. One possible issue... about 1/2 of the public school teachers these days are heathen homos on drugs.

Home schooling is the best bet. Public schools & the teachers union are a dismal failure, abolish the DOE.

As soon as the new crop of congress persons are flown over by Israel to kiss the wall, they will win the Golden Yamaka award and become 'chosen ones'. And all will be right in the world (for Israel). Amen

We're down to Operation Phoenix, World Wide. Which signaled the End of Vietnam, and NOW the End of the War of 9/11.

"The new DIA agents will also take a specialisation course directed by the Commander of Special Operations. Apart from training recruits to eliminate the enemy, he also teaches "non-conventional warfare" to be conducted by exterior forces who are specially trained for this purpose; "counter-insurrection", to help allied governments to repress rebellion; and "psychological operations" intended to influence public opinion so that the population comes to support US military action.

Once their training is complete, these new DIA agents, about 1,600 at first, will be assigned by the Pentagon to missions all over the world. "

" But a Marine official here raised questions about whether the children were “innocent.” Before calling for the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System mission in mid-October, Marines observed the children digging a hole in a dirt road in Nawa district, the official said, and the Taliban may have recruited the children to carry out the mission.

Shockingly, the article quotes a senior officer saying that the military isn’t just out to bomb “military age males,” anymore, but kids, too:

“It kind of opens our aperture,” said Army Lt. Col. Marion “Ced” Carrington, whose unit, 1st Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, was assisting the Afghan police. “In addition to looking for military-age males, it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”

Yep. As a teacher, I was in to teaching SWAT tactics, but was told that bush43'w No Child Left Behind and making sure that Everyone passed his Constant Testing took Precedent....

But a Marine official here raised questions about whether the children were “innocent.” Before calling for the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System mission in mid-October, Marines observed the children digging a hole in a dirt road in Nawa district, the official said, and the Taliban may have recruited the children to carry out the mission.

Shockingly, the article quotes a senior officer saying that the military isn’t just out to bomb “military age males,” anymore, but kids, too:

I was going to get you some, but the Glock was over budget. Now sit down, you're making me nervous.....;}

Shockingly, the article quotes a senior officer saying that the military isn’t just out to bomb “military age males,” anymore, but kids, too:

There's a very good reason that Spartas ever and only appear briefly in Civilization histories.

Shockingly, the article quotes a senior officer saying that the military isn’t just out to bomb “military age males,” anymore, but kids, too:

I like violent video games. I like Halo, Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty. It is fun shooting things. The solution is not banning video games or guns. It is a moral issue.

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

And a mental issue with some... If they would make it easier to get mental help instead of harder then a lot of things like this wouldn't happen... Allowing Leftards to get mental help easier would make the coutry a much better place!!!

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

The gun nut wing of the US contingent of gunowners refuse to police their own making it hard on those who are responsible owners. I've seen them mock and and make fun of the 'crazies with guns' but try to get those guns out of their hands?... no way. It's becoming the brotherhood of loonies and their enablers.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

If you've been around guns and their owners, you know of at least one loose cannon who has a whole arsenal. So what are you doing about it?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

Go shooting with them... load up the arsenal and let's roll! Typical tea bagger progressive... anyone who doesn't meet your standards of perfection, you want to tazer, pepper spray, dope them up, certify them as insane, take their guns, and waterboard them in Gitmo. Of course you want someone else to do the gun confiscation for you, because it's too dangerous.

You sound like either a loose cannon or an enabler. Good luck with that, as responsible gun owners spit on you.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

Even though you're a regular viewer of Jerry Springer, Dr. Phil, and Judge Judy, you still don't get to decide who can have arms, or what type.

I do watch Judge Judy on occasion. I understand why you don't like her though... she's pretty uppity and probably rubs an old misogynist like you the wrong way..

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

Some people I know only have 1 or 2 weapons and they are for self defense against the crazies and use at the range to hone their skills... I know others that have weapons for every occasion, self protection, hunting, trap shooting, plinking... I do know "of" a few that buy weapons, clean them up, fix anything that might be wrong with them and turn around and sell them for a modest profit (that's called a hobby)... But as far as knowing someone that has turned their entire basement into a gun safe and have a million or so rounds..... NO!!!

The one thing about all of those people I know is they see shooting as a recreational sport and a way to supplement the pantry periodically. The other thing about them is that they are all employed, self employed or retired, (not parasites) and they all love to have fun in the great outdoors .... So as far as knowing someone that is a loose cannon I would have to say no...

But it doesn't take someone owning an arsenal to be a loose cannon... How many instances in history have there been where the perp only owned one weapon or had stolen that weapon from family or friends??? (way more that those where the perp owned an arsenal)... For instance just the other day the kid in Connecticut stole his Mom's weapons... Did John Wilkes Booth own an arsenal?? Did Sirhan Sirhan own an arsenal?? Did John Hinckly own an arsenal?? Did Lee Harvey Oswald own an arsenal?? None of them did!!! Weapons don't kill people it's the person "holding" the weapon that kills people, always has been always will be... (I suppose Oswald was a poor example cause we know he didn't do it)..

What I would like to know is why there isn't a drive to ban cars, airplanes or knives??? They kill more people every year than guns do in this country!!!! (And I do know the answer but just want to see if you do)!!

And why are their people in the current political government trying to designate a certain part of the population as domestic terrorists??? And it just so happens to be those who are knowledgeable about guns and know how to safely use and store them, not loose cannons... (And I do know the answer but just want to see if you do)!!

And why doesn't the government want to see those who are loose cannons or who have mental issues get the Mental treatment they need??? Why do they make it as hard as possible for a relative or friend to help those who have issues?? (And I do know the answer but just want to see if you do)!!

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

Fundamental Change has to take place, with All Parties Involved Locked in their positions.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

I consider denying access or treatment for Mental Health issues to be government meddling, offering/assisting access to it I don't...

For instance there used to be an individual on the other side of the family that suffered from mental issues... She wasn't dangerous to herself or others but nevertheless was receiving treatment... Anyway the family was pretty much excluded from assisting the doctors in her treatment... The family was told that "LAWS" precluded him/her from speaking with the family about what the patient was saying or doing... And if the doctor didn't physically observe those actions then treatments that might help wouldn't be allowed to be administered... Needless to say that person suffered for years because she wasn't getting the right treatments, because "LAWS" (I.E. the government) prevented it.... Sheer lunacy but what do you really expect from bureaucrats!!

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

Each state has it's own rules for admittance although they have to abide by Fed guidelines for minimum care and treatment standards. Generally most have followed California in passing legislation which says other than acute holds, a person not an active danger to himself or others and not a felon and under an active court order can refuse treatment.In California the deciding legislation was called the Lanterman, Petris Short Act

This was initially in response to numerous lawsuits by patients and others that couldn't be ignore by the various state legislators. Mental hospitals in general were really a mess at the time, but setting many free hardly solved the problem. Some especially the Developmentally Disordered(DD's) were able to go into group homes with the worst cases remaining at State hospitals.

Lanterman–Petris–Short Act From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

The Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act (Cal. Welf & Inst. Code, sec. 5000 et seq.) concerns the involuntary civil commitment to a mental health institution in the State of California. The act set the precedent for modern mental health commitment procedures in the United States. It was co-authored by California State Assemblyman Frank Lanterman (R) and California State Senators Nicholas C. Petris (D) and Alan Short (D), and signed into law in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan. The Act went into full effect on July 1, 1972. It cited seven articles of intent:

To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;

To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;

To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;

To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;

To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.

The Act in effect ended all hospital commitments by the judiciary system, except in the case of criminal sentencing, e.g., convicted sexual offenders, and those who were "gravely disabled", defined as unable to obtain food, clothing, or housing [Conservatorship of Susan T., 8 Cal. 4th 1005 (1994)]. It did not, however, impede the right of voluntary commitments. It expanded the evaluative power of psychiatrists and created provisions and criteria for holds. snip

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

Aahhh yes the verbage that ensures the patient doesn't get proper treatment "UNLESS" they ask for such treatment and also locks the family out of the process.. It also enables the patient to refuse any and all treatment/medications if they want to, "UNLESS" the Courts have ordered them to be given treatment involuntarily... And now you know why some people are allowed to roam the streets when they shouldn't be allowed to, and then things like Sandy Hook happens....

And then on top of that they want to blame the weapons for the incident, not the perp or the system that "ensures" there are scads of perps roaming the streets!!

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”

Every fetus should be provided with a Bushmaster by the State to do with as they see fit.

They are assumed to be citizens with full constitutional rights until they break some law or there is reason for some intervention. But yes, the non felons who stay out of legal trouble can definitely fall through the cracks.

I had a friend who at one time I considered more like a sister who spent thirty years in and out of the mental health system. She was said to be just as crazy the day before she died in her fifties in a medical hospital as when she had her first symptoms in her early twenties. And her family who had always been very involved with her until the last years didn't learn about her death until almost a year later. She had requested to have them not be contacted in the event of her death.

It was always suspected that she poisoned her mother although not fatally during one of her visits with them.

When she was stable she would often go back home for which her parents always kept her room ready, but then she would go off her meds, become too unruly and leave again. She repeated this cycle many times. Generally she would end up in some group home after being picked up by the cops and spending time in some local locked mental health ward or facility or rescued by her parents. Be placed on a temporary hold, get better, go home, stop taking meds, get crazy and run around the country hitch hiking, get picked up for some type of behavior control issue, cops and system again, go to a group home or facility for treatment, go home, run off.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

The biggest problem with mental issues is getting the individual to realize and admit they have a problem. Once that happens you can usually keep them on their meds and they can lead a normal life... But a lot of times that never happens and they just see the meds as something evil in their lives so stop taking them....

“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”