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Title: Anti-Gun Chicago Legislator Arrested at Airport- with Gun
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URL Source: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/anti ... ted-at-airport-with-gun_122012
Published: Dec 12, 2012
Author: JG Vibes
Post Date: 2012-12-12 17:05:48 by Capitalist Eric
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“Gun Control” is by far one of the most hypocritical of all government policies. When politicians and their misguided followers suggests that weapons need to be controlled, they are by no means talking about the weapons that are actually take millions of lives, the weapons that are wielded by the military and the police. Instead they focus on disarming the general population, which is an obvious attempt to gain more control over them. Most anti-gun politicians still carry guns themselves, or have people follow them around with guns to protect them, so they obviously know that there is value in being just as armed as someone who may hurt you. Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, so it should be no surprise that it is also leading the country in violent crime. The hypocrisy of these policies were made even more obvious last week, when an anti gun senator in Chicago was arrested for bringing a gun to an airport. ABC News reported that: “State Senator Donne Trotter vowed to stay in the race for Jesse Jackson Jr.’s vacated Congressional seat despite the federal charge against him…He was arrested Wednesday at O’Hare, where security discovered a gun in Trotter’s carry-on bag. Trotter, a Democrat who has served in the state legislature since 1988, spent Wednesday night in police lockup. Thursday, the judge set Trotter’s bond at $25,000.” The article goes on to say that while he did have a permit to carry, the gun wasn’t licensed in the state of Chicago. Obviously, permits or licences shouldn’t even be necessary to begin with, but Senator Donne Trotter doesn’t see things that way. Ironically, he is a co-sponsor of Governor Pat Quinn’s latest bill banning “assault weapons” and large capacity clips. The bill would specifically ban the AK-47, AR-15 and TEC-9 semi-automatic weapons. Right now, re-election is not looking so great for Senator Donne Trotter.
Poster Comment: LMAO!!! Socialist scum-bag hypocrites!!!
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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
Are there any other kind??
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
First of all,no matter how much they try to pretend it is,Chicago isn't a state. Secondly,HE isn't licensed to carry a concealed weapon. He has a license to carry because he get it through a security guard company that lied and said he was an employee. The license to carry is through the security agency,and I am GUESSING it is only supposed to apply for open/exposed carry while on the job. He used the "excuse" that he had just left work as a security guard when he went to the airport,and had forgotten the 25ACP (thas rite,de pimp spacial!) semi- auto was in his luggage. He is now in trouble for claiming he was an employee of a security agency in order to get the permit (fraud) ,carrying a concealed weapon in Chicago city limits,and not paying taxes on his security guard income despite claiming to have been working as a security guard. Not that this will really make any difference because in the long run he's already served all the time he is going to serve for this offense. If it had been thee or me,we would have gone to prison for at least one year. Has anybody EVER heard of a security guard or a bodyguard carrying a 25 ACP? EVER?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No why bother, they won't even go through a tin can will they? It was a long time ago I saw someone shooting one, it might have even been an aluminum beer can that it wouldn't penetrate. It seemed worthless to me.
Ok, now THAT was funny! I didn't catch that.... 8^P Good points... The smallest caliber I have in handguns is 9mm... I'd never even consider a friggin' .25. I mean, why bother??? LMAO. This guy is definitely not the brightest star in the sky... (((eyeball roll)))
If you're a really good shot and have a clear path to the critical "T" area then a .25 is sufficient (Navy Seals use a silenced .22 for some missions). But for most everybody else something in "at least" a .380 is more prudent... My primary carry weapon is a 9MM Makarov, a Czech CZ82.... My secondary carry weapon is a West German 9MM SigSauer P6..... Both are very accurate and very reliable, have "not ever" had an failure to eject, failure to feed or failure to fire.. And I can't even begin to remember how many rounds I've put thru them over the years....
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
Oh, I think you've got a smaller calibre gun than that you're trying to make up for.
. The 22 rimfire round is a LOT more effective than the 25 ACP will ever be. I remember one case of an attempted robbery when I lived out in Denver where a man was shot 3 times in the back of the head with a 25 ACP,and thought he had just be hit with a fist,and turned around and beat the snot out of the guy that had just shot him,and was sitting on his chest holding him down when the police showed up to arrest the guy. He complained about his head hurting to the EMT that showed up,and that's when he discovered he had been shot. AND....,the Navy SEALS didn't invent anything. The 22 rimfire has been the number 1 choice for assassinations for 100 years before the SEALS were ever created. In fact the SEALS in VN preferred a silenced 9 MM S&W autoloader (Model 39,I think) in VN,and silenced 22 rimfire Colt Woodsmen and Hi-Standards were preferred by the Army. My primary carry weapon is a 9MM Makarov, a Czech CZ82... I have a 10 shot 9mm Kel-Tec I sometimes carry when I go to the city because the jacketed 9mm penetrates car bodies and windshields so well,but my preferred carry piece is a 3 inch 44 Special revolver. My second favorite is one of my 45 ACP autoloaders with handloads that beat unmodified 1911's into junk. The little Kel-Tec comes in handy in really hot weather when anything heavier would drag my shorts down,though. After all,if I REALLY thought I would need a gun when I left the house I would either stay home or be carrying one of my shotguns. The only 22 I have left now is a 9-shot Taurus with a 1-1/2 inch barrel that makes it pretty hard to shoot accurately. I had a 1936 S&W "Kit Gun" (later called a combat masterpiece) with target sights,grips,and trigger,and a 6 inch barrel,but gave it away to the son of a friend. Too rare and valuable to beat up carrying around while working in the yard,so I hadn't even shot the damn thing in about 15 years,so I gave it to a young man who had never owned a handgun,and who I knew would appreciate it for what it is and take care of it. BTW,I also have a 9X18 Makarov,and think they are GREAT little autoloaders. I THINK mine is Hungarian,though. Not that it really makes much difference. I quit carrying in after buying the Kel-Tec because the Kel-Tec is just as reliable and is smaller and weighs less.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Never have shot a .25 but had heard from others that it was a pretty wimpy round... And now that you can get .22 rounds in heavier grainage than a .25 in makes it even more effective... I picked up some 60 grain .22 rounds just to try them out... They look funny, brass looks like a .22 short and the lead is larger than the brass... I have a Ruger 22/45 that I use to teach the women how to shoot and they cycle in it just fine even though they are subsonic rounds... “We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
Yea the CZ is an old fashioned all steel autoloader and is quite a bit heavier than the newer polymer guns... I haven't given a Kel-Tec a spin but will try one out the next time I go to the gun shop... They have an indoor range where you can rent anything you want for a 1/2 hour as long as you use any "brass" bought in their store...
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
I have no idea why anybody would want them. They will have less velocity than a 22 short,and maybe even less penetration. On top of that,they may even recoil more. Stick with the 22LR. Anybody who can't handle that recoil doesn't have enough strength to get out of bed or dress themselves,never mind defend themselves. BTW,NEVER shoot 22 shorts or 22 rifle ammunition in a gun you plan on shooting 22 Long Rifle rounds in. The shorter case will end up causing a burr in the chamber (cylinder in revolvers) that will cause the brass to jam in the cylinder or the chamber. I've had to bore out and place inserts in the chambers of older 22 rifles that people shot shorts in to save a dime a box on ammunition after the fired case ended up jammed in the chamber and the bolt pulled the rim off the case. The same would be true of constantly firing 38 Special rounds in 357 Magnum weapons. If you want to shoot cheaper,just reload 357 cases to 38 Special velocities.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I have a Sig Sauer P220 in .45 ACP and I must say it's my favorite but it's just a bit too big for me to carry comfortably concealed... But it's kept on the nightstand beside the bed because it has really bright nightsights on it.. Me personally I don't really care for 1911s because they just don't fit my hand very well and because they take way longer than my Sigs and CZ to strip and clean... And even though I don't care for 1911s I do use a lubricant designed by Wilson Combat for 1911s because it stays put better than any other lubricant I've used... http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Ultima-Lube-II-Universal-4-oz- Bottle/productinfo/578-4/
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
Probably because they are like any other round that comes in different grainages... The heavier grainage rounds usually have more energy downrange than lighter rounds!! And since they're subsonic they're also quieter in a silenced weapon...
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
Kahr makes some nice CCW pistols in either all stainless steel or with polymer frames. They're usually a bit slimmer than others, because they use single stack mags. The MK9/MK40 are good pocket warmers. It's easy to forget that you're even carrying them. Those particular models are the 3" short barrel, short two finger grip versions, in SS. The 9mm version is 6 +1. The .40 holds one less. First rule is have a gun, and these are very easy to slip into a pocket. They cost more than a Kel-Tec. Made in the USA!
I always run them dry. I only lube them up good for storage. The same is true of all my guns. Lube attracts trash and gums them up.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Probably because they are like any other round that comes in different grainages.. I'm guessing the heavier bullet and the powder loss from the shorter case means there IS no downrange. They are most likely in the 25 ACP class now.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
From the looks of it it falls in the middle of ammo that I could find a full set of specs for it's performance..... Manufacturer: Aguila 1B222112 Item: AMM-057 UPC: 640420001364 .22 Long Rifle. Aguila Sniper Subsonic, 60 Grain Lead Round Nose Bullet, 500 Round Brick. 60 grain solid lead bullet. Muzzle velocity - 950 fps. Velocity at 100 yards - 802 fps. Muzzle energy - 120 ft/lbs. Energy at 100 yards - 86 ft/lbs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer: CCI 0031 Item: AMM-075 UPC: 076683000316 100 Round box, .22 Long Rifle, CCI, 36 grain Copper Plated Hollow Point. •Clean-burning propellants keep actions cleaner. •Sure-fire CCI priming. Muzzle velocity: 1260 fps. Velocity at 50 yards: 1112 fps. Velocity at 100 yards: 1003 fps. Muzzle energy: 127 ft/lbs. Energy at 50 yards: 99 ft/lbs. Energy at 100 yards: 80 ft/lbs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer: Blazer Ammunition 10021 Item: AMM-0410 UPC: 076683100214 525 Round Bulk Pack, .22 Long Rifle, CCI Blazer, 40 grain Round Nose Lead. Our Blazer 22 Long Rifle ammo is loaded with a 40 grain bullet that’s great for sports from small game hunting to casual plinking. Muzzle velocity: 1235 fps Velocity at 100 yards: 1026 fps Muzzle energy: 135 ft/lbs Energy at 100 yards: 93 ft/lbs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And last but not least some 25ACP ammunition...... you could almost catch this stuff in your hand as it went by you....LOL... Manufacturer: Winchester Q4203 Item: 6-0306530 UPC: 020892201941 Muzzle Velocity: 760 fps Muzzle Energy: 64 ft/lbs 50 Yard Velocity: 707 fps 50 Yard Energy: 56 ft/lbs
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
Item: AMM-057 UPC: 640420001364 .22 Long Rifle. Aguila Sniper Subsonic, 60 Grain Lead Round Nose Bullet, 500 Round Brick. 60 grain solid lead bullet. Muzzle velocity - 950 fps. Velocity at 100 yards - 802 fps. Muzzle energy - 120 ft/lbs. Energy at 100 yards - 86 ft/lbs. That seems suspicious to me. A basic law of physics is that it takes more energy to move a heavier load,and with a shorter case there is even less energy to move a even heavier load. With 22 cases already being so small before they were shortened for the heavier bullet their powder choices are really limited. Maybe one day I will buy some of it and dig out my chronograph out of storage and see what I can find out.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
True, and if I was still in West Texas or back in the "Sandbox" I probably would keep all my weapons dry... But since I live where the humidity is a bit higher and I use them every few weeks at the range and then clean them right away I go ahead and use some... (For some reason the one Sig wants to rust right at the front sight)???? The main reason though is some weapons have places they like to wear... My Sig .45 has a 1" long place on the slide rails where it's shiny.... The Sig 9MM has a place on the inside top of the slide where the chamber rides that has a circular pattern... And the CZ has a spot on the inside of the slide right beside the slide release button.... So these are the places I concentrate any lub I use on, so for the most part I do keep the weapons pretty dry... I've noticed that since I started using this lube that the wear areas haven't seemed to have gotten any bigger... It is a little thicker (so it stays put), it has a funny smell (kinda like BenGay) and it feels like "liquid Teflon" when you rub it in between your fingers... And it takes 4-5 washings of your hands to get rid of the "slick" feeling...
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
Maybe one day I will buy some of it and dig out my chronograph out of storage and see what I can find out. I've never really disected a .22 LR bullet before to see how much powder is in it.... Will have to do that tonight when I get home to a regular 22 round and one of the Aguilas... Let me know, I would be interested to see what you come up with... A friend of mine uses them thru a suppressed Walther P22 and he's hell on the squirrels in his back yard... LOL....
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
Do NOT try this with a press-mounted bullet puller. Use a kinetic puller. Rim fires are dangerous to try to unload because the primer is in the base of the case. A friend of mine uses them thru a suppressed Walther P22 and he's hell on the squirrels in his back yard... LOL... I can see why they would be effective on squirrels,and see why the heavier bullet and decreased velocity would be advantageous in a city setting where reducing the range would be a good thing. BTW,PLEASE note that I am an admitted fan of the "moderate velocity and big,heavy bullets" line of thought. My favorite carry piece is a 44 Special with either 200gr jacketed hollowpoints,or 240 grain swaged wadcutters. There are limits though,and that's where the 22 rim fire and the 25 ACP rounds come in. Velocity is more important than weight on the bottom end of the scale because when you decrease velocity and increase the weight of the bullet you reduce the ability of the round to penetrate.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Yep. Obviously the damage that a round can do depends on a lot of variables. However, the kinetic energy a round has- and how effectively it transfers that energy to the target- are the real questions. KE=1/2mV2. The kinetic energy is the lbs-ft number. Thus, it can easily be determined that a .22LR has ~204 lbs-ft with a 30-grain round-nose and a velocity of ~1750FPS, and a .25ACP with a 50-grain FMJ has only 65 lbs-ft with a velocity of 760 FPS. The .22LR therefore becomes a far better weapon, provided it can transfer all of its energy. Mass and velocity can be interchanged, but velocity gives you a squared result compared to mass. Again, agreed. My personal favorite is the full-size 1911 with 230-gr JHP. Interestingly enough, there's a decent summary at wiki, here.
Mission accomplished, they both seem to have the same amount of powder in them... Since you have a difference in size of the brass wouldn't you have to use a different burn rate powder to reduce the pressure somewhat to keep from rupturing the smaller brass?? And wouldn't that also affect how fast the projectile would travel??
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
It has to be slower burning powder to work with the reduced case volume and heavy bullet? I'm guessing that if that's so, they work best in long barrels, like a rifle. A pistol would probably have a lot of muzzle flash from unburned powder, and the bullet would never really get much velocity. IMO
Yes,and maybe. Generally speaking,you would need a longer barrel and a slower burning powder to make effective use of a heavier bullet,but you also need a case large enough to hold enough of the slower powder. I just don't see how a 22 short case (which is what I am assuming they are using if it will chamber in a standard 22 chamber with minimum freebore)can hold enough of the slower powder to be effective. In cases where the powder is slow burning,you need more barrel length to allow the pressure curve to peak before the bullet exits the muzzle. This is why shotguns used to have such long barrels. They needed those long barrels to allow the pressure to peak before the shot left the bore. In other words,it COULD work in rifles IF there is a slow-burning powder with a fine enough grain to work with the 22 short case. I'd like to be able to tell you more,but I have no idea what powder is used in 22 rim fire ammunition,or even how much of it. This means you have to consider everything I have written about this particular case to be more theory than fact. I used to really love playing around with ballistics 20 years or so ago.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I'm guessing that if that's so, they work best in long barrels, like a rifle. I agree. BTW,recoil doesn't really bother me. The first centerfire rifle I ever shot was a 375 Weatherby Magnum,and I was only around 12. Muzzle flash is whole nother thing,though.I HATE muzzle flash. Makes me flinch.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
This means you have to consider everything I have written about this particular case to be more theory than fact. Don't worry about it you did good!! I enjoyed reading what you wrote.. I have a friend that reloads all the time, maybe I can get him to put his 2 cents worth... That's if he's not out on some hunting trip out West or down South.. All I know is that they seem to work adequately in both rifles and pistols, so hey lifes good... :)
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
I've not fired a whole lot of them from my pistol so don't know what to say... But my buddy with the suppressed Walther uses them all the time now on his "squirrel infestation" so will have to ask him if it's any dirtier or not... Cause I would think that stuff would collect in his suppressor... It's funny to watch him hunt those squirrels... He takes one of those pads you use for under a sleeping bag, places it on the ground and lays on it on his back looking up into the tree.. He just lays there not moving until one of those "little mosters" (as he calls them) pops his head out and then "POW" no more rodent... (It's much better entertainment than watching reality TV... LOL....)
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
When you fire with a suppressor,you MUST use ammunition slower than 1,000 fps to keep from burning out the suppressor (silencer in my days). This means his Walther is set up to either cycle the slide and feed the next round under less pressure,or it operates as a single shot. These sub-velocity "squib loads" won't cycle the action in either a blowback or a gas gun unless said gun has been modified to fire squib loads. Which means full-powered loads will cycle so fast and hard they will beat the gun up. Which is ONE reason I much preferred the old M3 45ACP "grease gun" of WW-2 and Korean War fame for special missions in VN. I could fire full-powered GI ball ammo and not have to worry about any noise louder than the bolt chambering a new round,and when it got there it was still a full-powered 45ACP round instead of a sub-velocity 9mm round like everybody else was firing in their Swedish K and Sten guns. The other reason was that it WAS a 45ACP instead of a 9mm,of course. As for being dirtier,I don't know what to say about that. IIRC,the silencer I was using was a one-piece unit that just screwed onto the end of the "grease gun-looking" housing in place of the regular barrel. When/if it started getting louder (as a dirty one would),I could just turn it in to the arms room and get a new one to replace it. I'm guessing the people who load those sub-velocity special rounds avoid excess dirt by loading a faster powder with oatmeal or some other buffer to fill out the case. Faster powder burns cleaner than slow powder.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Nice, plus he's ready to bag one of BigSis's spy drones if they come within range.
Socialist scum-bag hypocrites!!!
#2. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
The article goes on to say that while he did have a permit to carry,the gun wasn't licensed in the state of Chicago.
#3. To: sneakypete, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#2)
EVER heard of a security guard or a bodyguard carrying a 25 ACP? EVER?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: sneakypete (#2)
First of all,no matter how much they try to pretend it is,Chicago isn't a state.
he went to the airport,and had forgotten the 25ACP (thas rite,de pimp spacial!) semi- auto was in his luggage. ... Has anybody EVER heard of a security guard or a bodyguard carrying a 25 ACP?
#5. To: sneakypete (#2)
(Edited)
the gun wasn’t licensed in the state of Chicago
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)
Good points... The smallest caliber I have in handguns is 9mm... I'd never even consider a friggin' .25. I mean, why bother???
#7. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)
The smallest caliber I have in handguns is 9mm
Say hi to your mom for me.
#8. To: CZ82 (#6)
(Edited)
If you're a really good shot and have a clear path to the critical "T" area then a .25 is sufficient (Navy Seals use a silenced .22 for some missions).
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
The 22 rimfire round is a LOT more effective than the 25 ACP will ever be.
#10. To: sneakypete (#8)
I quit carrying in after buying the Kel-Tec because the Kel-Tec is just as reliable and is smaller and weighs less.
#11. To: CZ82 (#9)
(Edited)
And now that you can get .22 rounds in heavier grainage than a .25 in makes it even more effective... I picked up some 60 grain .22 rounds just to try them out..
#12. To: sneakypete (#8)
My second favorite is one of my 45 ACP autoloaders with handloads that beat unmodified 1911's into junk.
#13. To: sneakypete (#11)
I have no idea why anybody would want them.
#14. To: CZ82 (#10)
(Edited)
I haven't given a Kel-Tec a spin but will try one out the next time I go to the gun shop..
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: CZ82 (#12)
And even though I don't care for 1911s I do use a lubricant designed by Wilson Combat for 1911s because it stays put better than any other lubricant I've used...
#16. To: CZ82 (#13)
I have no idea why anybody would want them.
#17. To: sneakypete (#16)
I'm guessing the heavier bullet and the powder loss from the shorter case means there IS no downrange. They are most likely in the 25 ACP class now.
#18. To: CZ82 (#17)
Manufacturer: Aguila 1B222112
#19. To: sneakypete (#15)
I always run them dry. I only lube them up good for storage. The same is true of all my guns. Lube attracts trash and gums them up.
#20. To: sneakypete (#18)
That seems suspicious to me. A basic law of physics is that it takes more energy to move a heavier load,and with a shorter case there is even less energy to move a even heavier load. With 22 cases already being so small before they were shortened for the heavier bullet their powder choices are really limited.
#21. To: CZ82 (#20)
I've never really disected a .22 LR bullet before to see how much powder is in it..
#22. To: sneakypete (#21)
Velocity is more important than weight on the bottom end of the scale because when you decrease velocity and increase the weight of the bullet you reduce the ability of the round to penetrate.
I am an admitted fan of the "moderate velocity and big,heavy bullets" line of thought. My favorite carry piece is a 44 Special with either 200gr jacketed hollowpoints,or 240 grain swaged wadcutters.
#23. To: sneakypete (#21)
I've never really disected a .22 LR bullet before to see how much powder is in it..
#24. To: CZ82 (#23)
they both seem to have the same amount of powder in them...
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#25. To: CZ82 (#23)
Since you have a difference in size of the brass wouldn't you have to use a different burn rate powder to reduce the pressure somewhat to keep from rupturing the smaller brass?? And wouldn't that also affect how fast the projectile would travel??
#26. To: hondo68 (#24)
It has to be slower burning powder to work with the reduced case volume and heavy bullet?
#27. To: sneakypete (#25)
I'd like to be able to tell you more,but I have no idea what powder is used in 22 rim fire ammunition,or even how much of it.
#28. To: hondo68, sneakypete (#24)
A pistol would probably have a lot of muzzle flash from unburned powder, and the bullet would never really get much velocity. IMO
#29. To: CZ82 (#28)
(Edited)
I've not fired a whole lot of them from my pistol so don't know what to say... But my buddy with the suppressed Walther uses them all the time now on his "squirrel infestation" so will have to ask him if it's any dirtier or not... Cause I would think that stuff would collect in his suppressor...
#30. To: CZ82 (#28)
lays on it on his back looking up
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
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