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Title: Anti-Gun Chicago Legislator Arrested at Airport- with Gun
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URL Source: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/anti ... ted-at-airport-with-gun_122012
Published: Dec 12, 2012
Author: JG Vibes
Post Date: 2012-12-12 17:05:48 by Capitalist Eric
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Views: 14682
Comments: 30
“Gun Control” is by far one of the most hypocritical of all government policies. When politicians and their misguided followers suggests that weapons need to be controlled, they are by no means talking about the weapons that are actually take millions of lives, the weapons that are wielded by the military and the police. Instead they focus on disarming the general population, which is an obvious attempt to gain more control over them. Most anti-gun politicians still carry guns themselves, or have people follow them around with guns to protect them, so they obviously know that there is value in being just as armed as someone who may hurt you. Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, so it should be no surprise that it is also leading the country in violent crime. The hypocrisy of these policies were made even more obvious last week, when an anti gun senator in Chicago was arrested for bringing a gun to an airport. ABC News reported that: “State Senator Donne Trotter vowed to stay in the race for Jesse Jackson Jr.’s vacated Congressional seat despite the federal charge against him…He was arrested Wednesday at O’Hare, where security discovered a gun in Trotter’s carry-on bag. Trotter, a Democrat who has served in the state legislature since 1988, spent Wednesday night in police lockup. Thursday, the judge set Trotter’s bond at $25,000.” The article goes on to say that while he did have a permit to carry, the gun wasn’t licensed in the state of Chicago. Obviously, permits or licences shouldn’t even be necessary to begin with, but Senator Donne Trotter doesn’t see things that way. Ironically, he is a co-sponsor of Governor Pat Quinn’s latest bill banning “assault weapons” and large capacity clips. The bill would specifically ban the AK-47, AR-15 and TEC-9 semi-automatic weapons. Right now, re-election is not looking so great for Senator Donne Trotter.
Poster Comment: LMAO!!! Socialist scum-bag hypocrites!!!
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#2. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
First of all,no matter how much they try to pretend it is,Chicago isn't a state. Secondly,HE isn't licensed to carry a concealed weapon. He has a license to carry because he get it through a security guard company that lied and said he was an employee. The license to carry is through the security agency,and I am GUESSING it is only supposed to apply for open/exposed carry while on the job. He used the "excuse" that he had just left work as a security guard when he went to the airport,and had forgotten the 25ACP (thas rite,de pimp spacial!) semi- auto was in his luggage. He is now in trouble for claiming he was an employee of a security agency in order to get the permit (fraud) ,carrying a concealed weapon in Chicago city limits,and not paying taxes on his security guard income despite claiming to have been working as a security guard. Not that this will really make any difference because in the long run he's already served all the time he is going to serve for this offense. If it had been thee or me,we would have gone to prison for at least one year. Has anybody EVER heard of a security guard or a bodyguard carrying a 25 ACP? EVER?
Ok, now THAT was funny! I didn't catch that.... 8^P Good points... The smallest caliber I have in handguns is 9mm... I'd never even consider a friggin' .25. I mean, why bother??? LMAO. This guy is definitely not the brightest star in the sky... (((eyeball roll)))
If you're a really good shot and have a clear path to the critical "T" area then a .25 is sufficient (Navy Seals use a silenced .22 for some missions). But for most everybody else something in "at least" a .380 is more prudent... My primary carry weapon is a 9MM Makarov, a Czech CZ82.... My secondary carry weapon is a West German 9MM SigSauer P6..... Both are very accurate and very reliable, have "not ever" had an failure to eject, failure to feed or failure to fire.. And I can't even begin to remember how many rounds I've put thru them over the years....
The 22 rimfire round is a LOT more effective than the 25 ACP will ever be. I remember one case of an attempted robbery when I lived out in Denver where a man was shot 3 times in the back of the head with a 25 ACP,and thought he had just be hit with a fist,and turned around and beat the snot out of the guy that had just shot him,and was sitting on his chest holding him down when the police showed up to arrest the guy. He complained about his head hurting to the EMT that showed up,and that's when he discovered he had been shot. AND....,the Navy SEALS didn't invent anything. The 22 rimfire has been the number 1 choice for assassinations for 100 years before the SEALS were ever created. In fact the SEALS in VN preferred a silenced 9 MM S&W autoloader (Model 39,I think) in VN,and silenced 22 rimfire Colt Woodsmen and Hi-Standards were preferred by the Army. My primary carry weapon is a 9MM Makarov, a Czech CZ82... I have a 10 shot 9mm Kel-Tec I sometimes carry when I go to the city because the jacketed 9mm penetrates car bodies and windshields so well,but my preferred carry piece is a 3 inch 44 Special revolver. My second favorite is one of my 45 ACP autoloaders with handloads that beat unmodified 1911's into junk. The little Kel-Tec comes in handy in really hot weather when anything heavier would drag my shorts down,though. After all,if I REALLY thought I would need a gun when I left the house I would either stay home or be carrying one of my shotguns. The only 22 I have left now is a 9-shot Taurus with a 1-1/2 inch barrel that makes it pretty hard to shoot accurately. I had a 1936 S&W "Kit Gun" (later called a combat masterpiece) with target sights,grips,and trigger,and a 6 inch barrel,but gave it away to the son of a friend. Too rare and valuable to beat up carrying around while working in the yard,so I hadn't even shot the damn thing in about 15 years,so I gave it to a young man who had never owned a handgun,and who I knew would appreciate it for what it is and take care of it. BTW,I also have a 9X18 Makarov,and think they are GREAT little autoloaders. I THINK mine is Hungarian,though. Not that it really makes much difference. I quit carrying in after buying the Kel-Tec because the Kel-Tec is just as reliable and is smaller and weighs less.
Never have shot a .25 but had heard from others that it was a pretty wimpy round... And now that you can get .22 rounds in heavier grainage than a .25 in makes it even more effective... I picked up some 60 grain .22 rounds just to try them out... They look funny, brass looks like a .22 short and the lead is larger than the brass... I have a Ruger 22/45 that I use to teach the women how to shoot and they cycle in it just fine even though they are subsonic rounds...
I have no idea why anybody would want them. They will have less velocity than a 22 short,and maybe even less penetration. On top of that,they may even recoil more. Stick with the 22LR. Anybody who can't handle that recoil doesn't have enough strength to get out of bed or dress themselves,never mind defend themselves. BTW,NEVER shoot 22 shorts or 22 rifle ammunition in a gun you plan on shooting 22 Long Rifle rounds in. The shorter case will end up causing a burr in the chamber (cylinder in revolvers) that will cause the brass to jam in the cylinder or the chamber. I've had to bore out and place inserts in the chambers of older 22 rifles that people shot shorts in to save a dime a box on ammunition after the fired case ended up jammed in the chamber and the bolt pulled the rim off the case. The same would be true of constantly firing 38 Special rounds in 357 Magnum weapons. If you want to shoot cheaper,just reload 357 cases to 38 Special velocities.
Probably because they are like any other round that comes in different grainages... The heavier grainage rounds usually have more energy downrange than lighter rounds!! And since they're subsonic they're also quieter in a silenced weapon...
Probably because they are like any other round that comes in different grainages.. I'm guessing the heavier bullet and the powder loss from the shorter case means there IS no downrange. They are most likely in the 25 ACP class now.
From the looks of it it falls in the middle of ammo that I could find a full set of specs for it's performance..... Manufacturer: Aguila 1B222112 Item: AMM-057 UPC: 640420001364 .22 Long Rifle. Aguila Sniper Subsonic, 60 Grain Lead Round Nose Bullet, 500 Round Brick. 60 grain solid lead bullet. Muzzle velocity - 950 fps. Velocity at 100 yards - 802 fps. Muzzle energy - 120 ft/lbs. Energy at 100 yards - 86 ft/lbs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer: CCI 0031 Item: AMM-075 UPC: 076683000316 100 Round box, .22 Long Rifle, CCI, 36 grain Copper Plated Hollow Point. •Clean-burning propellants keep actions cleaner. •Sure-fire CCI priming. Muzzle velocity: 1260 fps. Velocity at 50 yards: 1112 fps. Velocity at 100 yards: 1003 fps. Muzzle energy: 127 ft/lbs. Energy at 50 yards: 99 ft/lbs. Energy at 100 yards: 80 ft/lbs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manufacturer: Blazer Ammunition 10021 Item: AMM-0410 UPC: 076683100214 525 Round Bulk Pack, .22 Long Rifle, CCI Blazer, 40 grain Round Nose Lead. Our Blazer 22 Long Rifle ammo is loaded with a 40 grain bullet that’s great for sports from small game hunting to casual plinking. Muzzle velocity: 1235 fps Velocity at 100 yards: 1026 fps Muzzle energy: 135 ft/lbs Energy at 100 yards: 93 ft/lbs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And last but not least some 25ACP ammunition...... you could almost catch this stuff in your hand as it went by you....LOL... Manufacturer: Winchester Q4203 Item: 6-0306530 UPC: 020892201941 Muzzle Velocity: 760 fps Muzzle Energy: 64 ft/lbs 50 Yard Velocity: 707 fps 50 Yard Energy: 56 ft/lbs
Item: AMM-057 UPC: 640420001364 .22 Long Rifle. Aguila Sniper Subsonic, 60 Grain Lead Round Nose Bullet, 500 Round Brick. 60 grain solid lead bullet. Muzzle velocity - 950 fps. Velocity at 100 yards - 802 fps. Muzzle energy - 120 ft/lbs. Energy at 100 yards - 86 ft/lbs. That seems suspicious to me. A basic law of physics is that it takes more energy to move a heavier load,and with a shorter case there is even less energy to move a even heavier load. With 22 cases already being so small before they were shortened for the heavier bullet their powder choices are really limited. Maybe one day I will buy some of it and dig out my chronograph out of storage and see what I can find out.
Maybe one day I will buy some of it and dig out my chronograph out of storage and see what I can find out. I've never really disected a .22 LR bullet before to see how much powder is in it.... Will have to do that tonight when I get home to a regular 22 round and one of the Aguilas... Let me know, I would be interested to see what you come up with... A friend of mine uses them thru a suppressed Walther P22 and he's hell on the squirrels in his back yard... LOL....
Do NOT try this with a press-mounted bullet puller. Use a kinetic puller. Rim fires are dangerous to try to unload because the primer is in the base of the case. A friend of mine uses them thru a suppressed Walther P22 and he's hell on the squirrels in his back yard... LOL... I can see why they would be effective on squirrels,and see why the heavier bullet and decreased velocity would be advantageous in a city setting where reducing the range would be a good thing. BTW,PLEASE note that I am an admitted fan of the "moderate velocity and big,heavy bullets" line of thought. My favorite carry piece is a 44 Special with either 200gr jacketed hollowpoints,or 240 grain swaged wadcutters. There are limits though,and that's where the 22 rim fire and the 25 ACP rounds come in. Velocity is more important than weight on the bottom end of the scale because when you decrease velocity and increase the weight of the bullet you reduce the ability of the round to penetrate.
Mission accomplished, they both seem to have the same amount of powder in them... Since you have a difference in size of the brass wouldn't you have to use a different burn rate powder to reduce the pressure somewhat to keep from rupturing the smaller brass?? And wouldn't that also affect how fast the projectile would travel??
It has to be slower burning powder to work with the reduced case volume and heavy bullet? I'm guessing that if that's so, they work best in long barrels, like a rifle. A pistol would probably have a lot of muzzle flash from unburned powder, and the bullet would never really get much velocity. IMO
#26. To: hondo68 (#24)
I'm guessing that if that's so, they work best in long barrels, like a rifle. I agree. BTW,recoil doesn't really bother me. The first centerfire rifle I ever shot was a 375 Weatherby Magnum,and I was only around 12. Muzzle flash is whole nother thing,though.I HATE muzzle flash. Makes me flinch.
I've not fired a whole lot of them from my pistol so don't know what to say... But my buddy with the suppressed Walther uses them all the time now on his "squirrel infestation" so will have to ask him if it's any dirtier or not... Cause I would think that stuff would collect in his suppressor... It's funny to watch him hunt those squirrels... He takes one of those pads you use for under a sleeping bag, places it on the ground and lays on it on his back looking up into the tree.. He just lays there not moving until one of those "little mosters" (as he calls them) pops his head out and then "POW" no more rodent... (It's much better entertainment than watching reality TV... LOL....)
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe article goes on to say that while he did have a permit to carry,the gun wasn't licensed in the state of Chicago.
#4. To: sneakypete (#2)
First of all,no matter how much they try to pretend it is,Chicago isn't a state.
he went to the airport,and had forgotten the 25ACP (thas rite,de pimp spacial!) semi- auto was in his luggage. ... Has anybody EVER heard of a security guard or a bodyguard carrying a 25 ACP?
#6. To: Capitalist Eric (#4)
Good points... The smallest caliber I have in handguns is 9mm... I'd never even consider a friggin' .25. I mean, why bother???
#8. To: CZ82 (#6)
(Edited)
If you're a really good shot and have a clear path to the critical "T" area then a .25 is sufficient (Navy Seals use a silenced .22 for some missions).
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
The 22 rimfire round is a LOT more effective than the 25 ACP will ever be.
#11. To: CZ82 (#9)
(Edited)
And now that you can get .22 rounds in heavier grainage than a .25 in makes it even more effective... I picked up some 60 grain .22 rounds just to try them out..
#13. To: sneakypete (#11)
I have no idea why anybody would want them.
#16. To: CZ82 (#13)
I have no idea why anybody would want them.
#17. To: sneakypete (#16)
I'm guessing the heavier bullet and the powder loss from the shorter case means there IS no downrange. They are most likely in the 25 ACP class now.
#18. To: CZ82 (#17)
Manufacturer: Aguila 1B222112
#20. To: sneakypete (#18)
That seems suspicious to me. A basic law of physics is that it takes more energy to move a heavier load,and with a shorter case there is even less energy to move a even heavier load. With 22 cases already being so small before they were shortened for the heavier bullet their powder choices are really limited.
#21. To: CZ82 (#20)
I've never really disected a .22 LR bullet before to see how much powder is in it..
#23. To: sneakypete (#21)
I've never really disected a .22 LR bullet before to see how much powder is in it..
#24. To: CZ82 (#23)
they both seem to have the same amount of powder in them...
Replies to Comment # 24. It has to be slower burning powder to work with the reduced case volume and heavy bullet?
#28. To: hondo68, sneakypete (#24)
A pistol would probably have a lot of muzzle flash from unburned powder, and the bullet would never really get much velocity. IMO
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