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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Weird Stuff/Unexplained See other Weird Stuff/Unexplained Articles Title: Why is Halliburton Building Detention Camps? (Discuss) Source: me URL Source: http://me.com Published: Feb 14, 2007 Author: me Post Date: 2007-02-14 19:53:11 by continental op Keywords: None Views: 11444 Comments: 28 Explanation #1. Halliburton is building detention camps to hold all us anti-government crazies, one day. Explanation #2. Halliburton is building detention camps to house illegal aliens who are rounded up to be deported. Well, re-education camps are a thing of the past, imo. And no illegal aliens are going to get deported, obviously. So, what is the purpose of these camps? Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 9. #2. To: continental op (#0) Explanation #1. Halliburton is building detention camps I have read this several times on other forums but where is the documentation? Where are the witnesses? Or Where are the camps being built. I will say this, the county I live in recently finished a huge new detention compound that is flat scary to look at just driving by. The old detention center was a country club compared with this new beast. cwrwinger  posted on  2007-02-14   21:29:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: cwrwinger (#2) Where are the camps being built. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_concentration_camps continental op  posted on  2007-02-14   21:36:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: continental op (#3) "Feds Schedule $385 Million Concentration Camp To Be Built By Halliburton Subsidiary.........." $385 million for one camp? And no one knows where it's at? cwrwinger  posted on  2007-02-14   21:40:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: cwrwinger (#4) Münchner Neueste Nachrichten, Tuesday, March 21, 1933 A Concentration Camp for Political Prisoners in the Dachau Area In a statement to the press, Himmler, Munich's Chief of Police announced: On Wednesday the first concentration camp will be opened near Dachau. It has a capacity of 5000 people. Here, all communist and-so far as is necessary- Reichsbanner and Marxist officials, who endanger the security of the state, will be assembled. In the long run, if government administration is not to be very burdened, it is not possible to allow individual communist officials to remain in court custody. On the other hand, it is also not possible to allow these officials their freedom again. Each time we have attempted this, the result was that they again tried to agitate and organize. We have taken these measures without concern for each pedantic objection encountered, in the conviction that we act to calm the concerns of the nation's people, and in accordance with their aims. Himmler gave assurance that in each individual case, preventive custody will not be maintained longer than necessary. It is obvious, however, that the astonishingly large quantity of material evidence seized will take a long time to be examined. This police will only be delayed, if they are continually asked when this or that person in preventive custody will be released. The incorrectness of rumors frequently spread regarding the treatment of prisoners is shown by the fact that for those prisoners who requested it, for example, Dr. Gerlich and Frhr. v. Aretin, counseling by priests is supported and approved without hesitation. continental op  posted on  2007-02-14   21:58:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: continental op (#6) Dachau is a town in southern Germany, http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGki37zNNFqiQAZE5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2Z3I5MWtr BGNvbG8D dwRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGODYxXzkw/SIG=11ni2bda5/EXP=1171594875/**http %3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau That seems a little far from here. cwrwinger  posted on  2007-02-14   22:03:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: cwrwinger (#7) Must I explain everything to you? continental op  posted on  2007-02-14   22:05:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: All (#8) Feds Schedule $385 Million Concentration Camp To Be Built By Halliburton Subsidiary By CLANCY SIGAL I am not one of the "Hitler is here!" crowd. From personal experience of federal-and-local harassment, threats of jail, being run off the road by J. Edgar's hotrodders, blacklisting from jobs and a long look at my FBI file, where I'm listed as a lefthanded, lisping incendiary leader of a mysterious Red 'Cell With No Name' alias the 'Omega cell' (I'm not kidding), I have felt the heavy hand of the ignoramus on my shoulder. Even unto emigration to Britain where, at one time, I enjoyed the attention of Scotland Yard, Special Branch, MI5, U.S. army counter-intelligence, CIA, and U.S. naval intelligence--all at the same time, stumbling over each other as in an Inspector Clouseau movie. So you get hardened. Shrug it off. Resist paranoia. Fill your wallet with the telephone numbers of lawyers. And wait for something to happen when nothing actually does, at least to you. Then your eye falls on a barely-noticed article in a local Southern California newspaper. You call the reporter, and he guides you to his reputable source. And the stomach-tickling fears start all over again, especially when--coincidentally--a Germanophile friend researching in the archives digs up the following from a Munich newspaper dated 1933. First, the American news item: The federal government has awarded a $385 million contract for the construction of 'temporary detention facilities' inside the United States as part of the Immigration Service's Detention and Removal Program. The contract was given to Kellogg, Root & Brown, a subsidiary of Halliburton. The camps would be used in the event of an "emergency", said Jamie Zuieback, an Immigration service official. The following article appeared in a Munich newspaper in 1933 to mark the "grand opening" of Dachau, Germany's first concentration camp. This month marks the 73d anniversary: Münchner Neueste Nachrichten, Tuesday, March 21, 1933 A Concentration Camp for Political Prisoners in the Dachau Area In a statement to the press, Himmler, Munich's Chief of Police announced: On Wednesday the first concentration camp will be opened near Dachau. It has a capacity of 5000 people. Here, all communist and-so far as is necessary- Reichsbanner and Marxist officials, who endanger the security of the state, will be assembled. In the long run, if government administration is not to be very burdened, it is not possible to allow individual communist officials to remain in court custody. On the other hand, it is also not possible to allow these officials their freedom again. Each time we have attempted this, the result was that they again tried to agitate and organize. We have taken these measures without concern for each pedantic objection encountered, in the conviction that we act to calm the concerns of the nation's people, and in accordance with their aims. Himmler gave assurance that in each individual case, preventive custody will not be maintained longer than necessary. It is obvious, however, that the astonishingly large quantity of material evidence seized will take a long time to be examined. This police will only be delayed, if they are continually asked when this or that person in preventive custody will be released. The incorrectness of rumors frequently spread regarding the treatment of prisoners is shown by the fact that for those prisoners who requested it, for example, Dr. Gerlich and Frhr. v. Aretin, counseling by priests is supported and approved without hesitation. Note: Himmler's reference to the 'Reichsbanner' is to a Social Democratic group, formed to oppose Hitler's 1923 attempted putsch, that evolved into a fairly ordinary get-together society. The 'Dr Gerlich' mentioned at the end (who was permitted to see a priest) was a devout Christian anti-Nazi shot by the Gestapo at Dachau in 1934, his body burned. His widow refused his ashes. Clancy Sigal's memoir of his mother, A Woman of Uncertain Character (The Amorous and Radical Adventures of My Mother Jennie (Who Always Wanted to be a Respectable Jewish Mom) by Her Bastard Son will be published by Carroll & Graf, $25, this coming Mother's' Day, May 14. His Zone Of The Interior is finally being published in the UK, by Pomona at £9.99. In May Sigal can be reached at Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers Sign In to E-Mail This Printer-Friendly Reprints Save Article By RACHEL L. SWARNS Published: February 4, 2006 WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 52; The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq. KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year. The contract with the Corps of Engineers runs one year, with four optional one- year extensions. Officials of the corps said that they had solicited bids and that KBR was the lone responder. A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Jamie Zuieback, said KBR would build the centers only in an emergency like the one when thousands of Cubans floated on rafts to the United States. She emphasized that the centers might never be built if such an emergency did not arise. "It's the type of contract that could be used in some kind of mass migration," Ms. Zuieback said. A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people. "When there's a large influx of people into the United States, how are we going to feed, house and protect them?" Mr. Church asked. "That's why these kinds of contracts are there." Mr. Church said that KBR did not end up creating immigration centers under its previous contract, but that it did build temporary shelters for Hurricane Katrina evacuees. Federal auditors rebuked the company for unsubstantiated billing in its Iraq reconstruction contracts, and it has been criticized because of accusations that Halliburton, led by Dick Cheney before he became vice president, was aided by connections in obtaining contracts. Halliburton executives denied that they charged excessively for the work in Iraq. Mr. Church said concerns about the Iraq contracts did not affect the awarding of the new contract. Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California, who has monitored the company, called the contract worrisome. "With Halliburton's ever expanding track record of overcharging, it's hard to believe that the administration has decided to entrust Halliburton with even more taxpayer dollars," Mr. Waxman said. "With each new contract, the need for real oversight grows." In recent months, the Homeland Security Department has promised to increase bed space in its detention centers to hold thousands of illegal immigrants awaiting deportation. In the first quarter of the 2006 fiscal year, nearly 60 percent of the illegal immigrants apprehended from countries other than Mexico were released on their own recognizance. Domestic security officials have promised to end the releases by increasing the number of detention beds. Last week, domestic security officials announced that they would expand detaining and swiftly deporting illegal immigrants to include those seized near the Canadian border. Advocates for immigrants said they feared that the new contract was another indication that the government planned to expand the detention of illegal immigrants, including those seeking asylum. "It's pretty obvious that the intent of the government is to detain more and more people and to expedite their removal," said Cheryl Little, executive director of the Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center in Miami. Ms. Zuieback said the KBR contract was not intended for that. "It's not part of any day-to-day enforcement," she said. She added that she could not provide additional information about the company's statement that the contract was also meant to support the rapid development of new programs. Halliburton executives, who announced the contract last week, said they were pleased. "We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract," an executive vice president, Bruce Stanski, said in a statement, "because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency management support continental op  posted on  2007-02-14   22:10:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 9. #10. To: continental op (#9) A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people. Here's a real life example of a USA gov't "detention camp": 80 ACRES OF HELL From: rick.b. I was very pleasantly surprised (and terribly saddened and angered) by The History Channel documentary, "Camp Douglas, Illinois: 80 ACRES OF HELL". It is an excellently documented account of the atrocities committed at Camp Douglas during the War. As the documentary states, "Almost everyone has heard of Andersonville, the prison camp in Georgia, but few have heard of Camp Douglas, which made Andersonville look like a country club". One of the Yankee commandants dubbed it "An extermination camp". The Yankee prisoners captured at Fort Sumter were treated with courtesy and respect and released. The problems at Camp Douglas began when Abraham Lincoln refused to recognize captured Confederate soldiers as Prisoners of War but classified them as "Traitors". They were deliberately starved (in Chicago, where food was plentiful) as punishment, hung by their thumbs, frozen in the sub-zero temperature when ample clothing was available but not issued, and SHOT. When Morgan's Calvary was captured a black soldier was immediately shot and killed, fulfilling the yankee policy that "Any black in Confederate uniform on Yankee soil was to be killed". I won't go on and on, but as all scholars well know Lincoln "micromanaged" the war, and as the documentary (with written accounts of the time) so amply points out, everything done at Camp Douglas was ordered or approved by Secretary of War Stanton and President Lincoln. As we all know, "The victor writes history" but finally we have the opportunity to expose the facts to those who are open-minded enough to look and listen. At Andersonville, the guards ate the same food as the Yankee prisoners and suffered the same sanitary conditions, etc. and many guards died. The Confederacy did not have ample food or clothing for its' own soldiers (and civilians), especially after Sherman destroyed the south. At Camp Douglas, food and clothing were abundant but deliberately withheld from the prisoners to "punish" them for being Confederates. Col. Sweet, the last commandant of Camp Douglas, with Lincoln's permission, declared Martial Law and subjugated the entire city of Chicago, arresting many civilians who had criticized the conditions at Camp Douglas. After the war Col. Sweet was promoted to Brig. General. This program can be purchased from The History Channel (or it's owner, the Arts & Entertainment network. Everyone should see it and every SCV and MOS&B camp should have a copy. -- EXSURGEMUS! Rick B. *********************** cwrwinger  posted on  2007-02-14 22:22:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: continental op (#9) Here's another USA gov't "detention center" for Americans: Elmira P.O.W. Camp Revisited Last Update: 4/15/2005 10:52:30 AM Posted By: Lauren Sivan The photos of abuse at Abu Ghraib shocked America. Prison torture was out of the closet. But as long as there has been war, there have been prisoners of war and crimes committed against them. One of the deadliest places was the Elmira Prison camp during the Civil War. (actually, The War of Northern (yankee) Aggression) Michael Horigan is a former history teacher at Horseheads High School. He wrote a book, "Elmira, Death Camp of the North." "The idea that Americans don't do these kinds of things like the Abu Ghraib [torture]is an aberration," says Horigan. He says during the civil war, more prisoners died in Elmira's POW camp than anywhere else in the north. "Although there was no torture, there were decisions made that resulted in the deaths of 2,950 prisoners," says Horigan. He says prison officials *intentionally* cut food rations to match those of Confederate camps, with less resources. Men slept in tents because barracks weren't built in time for the winter months. He says these deliberate decisions killed men and earned the camp the name: "Helmira" "It was an unfortunate part of history in Chemung County. Very unfortunate, says Chemung County Historian Archie Kieffer. Kiefer's great grandfather was a guard at the camp. He says the death rate at Elmira wasn't a result of deliberate action, but a consequence of war. "The civil war was a brutal brutal war. Of all the wars we fought, the civil war was the worst," says Kieffer. Initially the camp was an army training center. In 1864, the army got orders to turn it into a prison camp. "They said they could handle 12-14 hundred prisoners and the unfortunate thing was, they sent them 12,000," says Kieffer. Today, Fosters pond is still where it was when the camp was in operation. It was the main source of water for prisoners. But with so many prisoners, it quickly became contaminated with garbage and waste and despite the lack of food and shelter, historians say it's that filthy water supply that killed so many prisoners. "Many of them died a horrible death, they died of pneumonia, dysentery," says Horigan.> But do poor conditions add up to torture? "Well it certainly resulted in death," says Horigan. I suppose you could say that this was their way of torturing prisoners." Archie Kieffer disagrees. He says they did what they had to do at the time. "They had to take care of them, and they did the best they could. War isn't a pretty time." The prison camp is not the most prideful piece of Elmira history, but it's contribution to American History helped put the city on the map. cwrwinger  posted on  2007-02-14 22:30:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: continental op (#9) It all started with lincoln. lincoln was under the influence of Karl Marx. Detention camps are a Marxist solution to liberty. cwrwinger  posted on  2007-02-14 22:34:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: continental op (#9) Republikans know all about setting up detention camps for Americans: TESTIMONY OF A FEDERAL SOLDIER JOHN A. BATESON, 115th E. V. R. C., Second Battalion. * *SOUTHERN HISTORICAL SOCIETY PAPERS Vol. I. Richmond, Va., March, 1876. No.4. April - Pages 293 - 294 We have received a paper from Mr. John A. Bateson, of Pioche, Nevada, one of the Federal guard at Rock Island, which is a strong confirmation of the above statement of Mr. Wright. Mr. Bateson is vouched for by a district judge and a prominent lawyer of Pioche as a gentleman of "perfect truthfulness and reliability"; and he refers to a number of leading Republicans in the Northwest, with whom he has always been politically associated, "for an endorsement of his character as a staunch Republican and honorable man." His, therefore, is not "Rebel" testimony, but that of a Union soldier, and "a truly loyal Republican," whom Mr. Blaine cannot dismiss with the cry of "traitor." TESTIMONY OF A FEDERAL SOLDIER. PIOCHE, February 19, 1876. During a period of ten months I was a member of the garrison of the Rock Island Military Prison. There were confined there about ten thousand men. Those men were retained in a famishing condition by order of Edwin M. Stanton, Secretary of War. That order was approved by Abraham Lincoln. It was read before the inside garrison of the prison sometime in January, 1864. It was read at assembly for duty on the 2d, in front of the prison. It went into effect on the following day. It continued in force until the expiration of my term of service, and, I have understood, until the close of the war. When it was read, Colonel Shaffner, of the Eighth Veteran Reserves, was acting Provost Marshal of Prisoners. I think that it was Captain Robinson who read the order. It reduced the daily allowance of the captives to about ten ounces of bread and four ounces of meat per man. Some time in January a batch of prisoners arrived. They were captured at Knoxville. Sixty of them were consigned to barracks under my charge. They were received by me at about 3 in the afternoon. One of the prisoners inquired of me when they would draw rations. I told him not until the following day. He said that in that case some of his comrades must dies, as they had eaten nothing since their capture several days before - the exact period I cannot state. That evening at roll call one of the prisoners exhibited symptoms of delirium. He moved from the ranks, and seemed to grasp for something, which I understood to be a table loaded with delicacies. I returned him to the ranks, where he remained until roll-call was over, when I left. On the following morning he and two others were dead. The mortality report among the new Rebs was extraordinarily large. I think it amounted to about ten per cent. of the entire number. It created an interest among the company commandant, and was the subject of many expressions. From the rebel orderlies I learned that the symptoms in each case were the same. There was no complaint; no manifestation of illness. Some dropped while standing on the floor; others fell from a sitting posture. All swooned and died without a struggle. Some of the prisoners had money sent them. It was deposited with the Provost Marshal, and their orders on the sutler were at first honored, but supplies from this direction were soon prohibited; the sutler's wagon was excluded from the prison. Supplies from relatives of prisoners, consisting of clothes, food and stationery came for some. The parcels containing them were distributed from "Barrack Thirty." The boxes were examined, everything in the shape of subsistence was removed, and the box and its contents delivered to the prisoner; the food it contained was destroyed before the face of the tantalized captive. Small tufts of a weed, called parsley, grew under the sides of the prison. It was over the dead-line, where prisoners dare not go. At their earnest entreaty I have sometimes plucked and handed it to some of them. They told me it was a feast. Squads of prisoners under guard were sent to work in different parts of the Island. They sometimes purchased raw potatoes and onions for their comrades suffering with scurvy. They were searched at the prison gate, and those articles taken from them. I am ready to swear that in my opinion the Knoxville prisoners were starved to death. As to the torture endured by the scurvy patients, the shooting of prisoners by the guards on the parapets, the smashing of their skulls with revolvers by officers of the prison, such misfortunes are incident to prison life, and neither the Government nor the Republican party can be held responsible for them. The weather on January 1st was the most intensely cold I ever experienced; and from all parts of the prison came intelligence of prisoners frozen to death. One died in one of my companies. He was reported to me, and I placed my hand on the corpse; it was frozen. This is the first time I have mentioned it. I cannot say that he froze to death. JOHN A. BATESON, 115th E. V. R. C., Second Battalion. cwrwinger  posted on  2007-02-14 22:59:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 9. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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