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Title: Is there a God?
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Published: Feb 12, 2007
Author: master_of_disater
Post Date: 2007-02-12 23:35:38 by master_of_disaster
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I recently invited two posters to come here and debate with me if there is a God. Respond to this and I will try to give you better answers.
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#1. To: All (#0)
http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=ncaa&id=ncb read the evolution-creation thread.
Schoolin Since Birth
I wasn't arguing the existence of god, I have already said it is impossible to dissprove it, but that that is not a proof that it exists. Arguing the existence of god would be an exercise in futility either way. Personally I think arbitrary religious dogma is socially deconstructive which is why I hate many aspects of christianity and the other monotheistic religions. Creationism is an example of this.
Yes all of that is true, but simply shrugging it off as religious hogwash is as bad as putting down other faiths in my opinion
Schoolin Since Birth
the mod on this board AKAStone could probably explain this better but I'll try, did you check my other link?
Schoolin Since Birth
http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Bible's_accuracy_on_other_scientific_points_show s_overall_accuracy Here's another site by wilkopedia, most people seem to like that site.
Schoolin Since Birth
The reason I shrug it off so to speak, is because it goes against what, in my opinion, humans should model their behavior by. No one should intrinsicly accept things, they should question what is out there. Creationism directly antagonises this view. Also, I think it is perfectly reasonable to criticize aspects of religion we don't like in the same way it is perfectly reasonable to criticize aspects of society we don't like, i.e. racism, homophobia....
the link to wikipedia didn't work
Ok I understand your view on this subjets, but here's mine, I am an open Christian. I have my own doubts about the fact that everything in the Bible is true. I beleive in the core of the Bible if that makes any sense. I am open minded but in my opinion human beings always want a rationalization on something we simply can not fathom. I am open minded though and always willing to listen to the other side.
Schoolin Since Birth
I'll try to get it again.
Schoolin Since Birth
Bible's accuracy on other scientific points shows overall accuracy From EvoWiki Jump to: navigation, search Contents [hide] 1 Claim 2 Source 3 Responses 4 Fallacies contained in this claim 5 Related claims 6 Acknowledgments [edit] Claim The Bible's accuracy on various scientific and historical points shows its overall accuracy. [edit] Source Gitt, Werner, 1993. Did God Use Evolution?, p. 99 [edit] Responses The argument is worthless with the accompanying (and unspoken) presumption that if any part of a story is true, all other parts of the story must be true, as well. We know that this presumption is definitely not true in the case of Sherlock Holmes stories (the city of London exists, but Holmes himself never did), among a near-infinite number of counterexamples; therefore, why should this presumption ever be true of any story? The existence of the ancient city of Troy, mentioned in the Iliad and Odyssey, has been verified by archaelogical research. If the Bible's stipulated accuracy on some factual matters is indeed evidence of its overall accuracy, the Illiad's and Odyssey's verified accuracy as regards the city of Troy must, equally, be evidence of their overall accuracy. Therefore, if "it's accurate on some factual matters" is a valid reason to accept that Creationism is true, it's equally a valid reason to accept that the Olympian pantheon exists. In point of fact, the Bible gets many scientific points wrong -- sometimes grossly so. Leviticus says that hares have cloven hooves and chew cud. Other sections indicate that seeds die before sprouting, that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds, that grasshoppers are four-legged animals, and that the heart is the seat of awareness. None of these are true. add more responses [edit] Fallacies contained in this claim Knights and Knaves (Bible is either totally right or totally wrong) [edit] Related claims Bible says the earth is round Bible says the earth is unsupported Bible got water cycle right Records say civilization was man's original state Bible specifies good medical and hygienic practices The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it The Bible is inerrant The Bible is literal Bible claims inspiration Prophecies prove the accuracy of the Bible The Bible must be accurate because archaeology supports it Bible is unique in other ways Bible is harmonious throughout [edit] Acknowledgments Retrieved from "http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Bible% 27s_accuracy_on_other_scientific_points_shows_overall_accuracy" Category: Creationist claims sorry for the spam I just pasted what I found on wilkopedia.
Schoolin Since Birth
And creationism is that rationalization for people who do not truly understand evolution.
I can physically understand evolution,trust me I have read many books on the subject. I take astronomy,I cant physically explain to you why Creatonilism is true. I can however tell you that I feel evolution is true to a point . I just believe there had to be a higher power(God) to create the master plan of it all. I don't believe some random molecules collided and created the universe.There is so much we can't explain, there has to be a grand plan in my opinion.
Schoolin Since Birth
but yea im going to sleep, i'll come back later this week
nice debating with you, goodnight.
Schoolin Since Birth
one more thing though, do you think it should be taught in schools?
I do, but I believe for people who don't want their kids to learn there should be an other choice. I just don't believe religion should be taken out of schools, im fair I think everyone who wants to have their kid learn religion in scholl should have that choice. Private schools are expensive, not every parent can afford them.
Schoolin Since Birth
yes - how can one look at the wonders of the world in which wew live in, the complexities and the breathtaking beauty and say there was no master plan in creating it, that we all came from some ooze? That's all I gots to say about that...
Well, all that and direct TV.
First off I would like to say welcome to the site. Second I would like to say that creationism is not a rationilazation for people who don't understant evilution. For example a man named Gary Parker a scientist with many degrees used to be an evilutionist. His first book came out about the same time that he realized evilution was a fraud. I will have more to say on the subject later.
Yes it is true...I am a thought criminal.
Are you kidding? Even the evolutionists don't understand evolution. That's why it remains a theory and is constantly being refined from a series of other theories. It's pure fucking speculation being peddled as fact.
Yet another reason for school choice via school vouchers.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Utter nonsense.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Psalm 19: 1-6
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Rom 10:18 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Yes it is true...I am a thought criminal.
"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth." Gen. 1:1
"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side." --Ulysses S. Grant
Yep...there is a higher being, imho...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I agree, parents who want their kids to learn about Jesus in school should have that option.
Schoolin Since Birth
Yep...the problem is that BigEd needs to mold these young skulls full of mush to worship the all-powerful Federal Leviathan. They lose control over their brain-washing capability if they give up the reins to the parents...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, There is no God for you, Slim.
Bucks too hard plays too rough, 2000 pounds of dangerous stuff, The way he looks he wants to tear me apart, But the way he throws me nearly stops my heart,-Buck and Roll.
Yeah, like you've got a say, co-op...LOL!!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, His God still owes time to the Texas Air National Guard.
So says, "The Journeyer"...LOL!!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, You don't beleive in hell. Which means you're calling God a liar.
Bucks too hard plays too rough, 2000 pounds of dangerous stuff, The way he looks he wants to tear me apart, But the way he throws me nearly stops my heart,-Buck and Roll.
Hell? Who said anything about Hell? Good Sunday morning to you...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, He believes in giving $2.00 hand jobs in the alley behind COSCO. Doesn't that count for something?
To hell with that. You told Stone that you didn't believe in hell/the devil.
Bucks too hard plays too rough, 2000 pounds of dangerous stuff, The way he looks he wants to tear me apart, But the way he throws me nearly stops my heart,-Buck and Roll.
I couldn't care less what you told Stone, co-op.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
#2. To: master_of_disaster (#0)
#3. To: spectoad (#2)
#4. To: All (#3)
#5. To: All (#3)
#6. To: master_of_disaster (#3)
#7. To: All (#6)
#8. To: spectoad (#6)
#9. To: spectoad (#7)
the link to wikipedia didn't work
#10. To: All (#9)
#11. To: master_of_disaster (#8)
#12. To: spectoad (#11)
And creationism is that rationalization for people who do not truly understand evolution.
#13. To: All (#11)
#14. To: spectoad (#13)
#15. To: master_of_disaster (#12)
#16. To: spectoad (#15)
#17. To: master_of_disaster (#0)
Is there a God?
#18. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#17)
#19. To: spectoad (#11)
And creationism is that rationalization for people who do not truly understand evolution.
#20. To: spectoad (#11)
..creationism is that rationalization for people who do not truly understand evolution.
#21. To: master_of_disaster (#16)
"Private schools are expensive, not every parent can afford them."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#22. To: spectoad (#11)
"...creationism is that rationalization for people who do not truly understand evolution."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#23. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#17)
(Edited)
Whatcha Lookin' At, Butthead
#24. To: Biff Tannen (#23)
Psalm 19: 1-6
#25. To: master_of_disaster (#0)
#26. To: master_of_disaster (#1)
"Is there a God?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#27. To: Mudboy Slim (#21)
Yet another reason for school choice via school vouchers.
#28. To: master_of_disaster (#27)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#29. To: Mudboy Slim (#28)
#30. To: continental op (#29)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#31. To: continental op (#29)
#32. To: Jhoffa_ (#31)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#33. To: Mudboy Slim (#30)
#34. To: continental op (#33)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#35. To: continental op (#33)
#36. To: Mudboy Slim, A K A Stone (#34)
Good Sunday morning to you
#37. To: continental op, A K A stone (#36)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
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