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Title: I want to have a discussion with mininggold
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Published: Oct 21, 2012
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2012-10-21 01:59:06 by A K A Stone
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Views: 16926
Comments: 39

Ok lets have a discussion. What is it that you don't like about us conservatives?

Why is it bad for taxes to be low for the people? Doesn't that give us more freedom?

Your side is for abortion being legal. Can't you understand why our side finds the act reprehensible? Are you not capable of that? Are we bad because we are against killing babies in the womb? Why is that bad?

We think people should able to own firearms. Not because we want to commit crimes or hurt people. But because we recognize that a free people must always be on guard against tyranny. You see we love our families and we want them to succeed for generations to come. So one of the things that is important is for our people to be able to own weapons in case some day the government tries to do something really bad. Some people would say we are already there or close.

Your side gets upset when someone with money speaks. Shouldn't we all be able to speak and say what we want to? You and your side say but it is a corporation. No it is a person and they have a right to speak.

Then there is the welfare state. You can't see that it is destroying us in many many ways. First off it makes people lazy. They won't work because they don't want to lose their food stamps or their welfare. Real middle income people have to pay taxes to support those people. You think that is right? Shouldn't compassion come from the heart and not the threat from government? We spend over a trillion dollars on welfare now? How can that be good? That is a trillion stolen dollars from the people who worked for it. Aren't we entitled to the fruits of our labor?

Creation. How can anyone not see that the world was created? It is self evident.

The list goes on and on.

What do you think?

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Ok lets have a discussion. What is it that you don't like about us conservatives?

Don't know whether LoonyMing has any meaningful thought processes about such questions, but I'll take a stab at some of your underlying assumptions.

For example, you describe yourself as a "conservative." The system you adhere to now, isn't conservative, but more accurately described as corporatist. The "Bud-lite" version of fascism, in other words. You in no way stand for individual rights, for freedom of expression, or (most importantly) the right to be left alone. You love the war-machine, and you show your fealty to the police-state.

You will debate minor details all day, to differentiate o'Bungler from mcRomneystain... but the truth is, they're both corrupt, both liars, both bought-and-paid-for by the same banksters. And you perpetuate the idea that one is somehow better than the other... when there is NO DIFFERENCE.

Why is it bad for taxes to be low for the people? Doesn't that give us more freedom?

False choice. You're very big on false choices, aren't you?

Let's reframe the question in proper context... A more appropriate question would be, "Why must we tolerate the government stealing our money by threat of force?"

How exactly, are they any different than the mafia, demanding "protection money?" Oh, and don't give me any bullshit about the 16th Amendment (never actually ratified by the states), or the Federal Reserve Act, which was never legally passed. Sheep and fools believe the con that these two despicable pieces of legislation represent.

Your side is for abortion being legal. Can't you understand why our side finds the act reprehensible? Are you not capable of that? Are we bad because we are against killing babies in the womb? Why is that bad?

I find your sudden interest in discussing (in a reasonable manner) such a subject to be both amusing and disengenuous... Amusing because you're not really interested in understanding, merely in convincing others of the righteousness of your views. Yet, many times, you've made comments stating that you want someone (who believes in the right to have an abortion) should be killed, merely for having that belief.

Do you not recognize the reprehensible nature of your own hypocrisy? Because it is as clear as can be, from my viewpoint.

We think people should able to own firearms...

Your points on this subject, I agree with.

Then there is the welfare state.

...made possible by the illegal Federal Reserve act, and The Law That Never Was. And the welfare state is the natural result of such frauds.

Without the means for the government to tax and "redistribute" (rob Peter to pay Paul, after taking a "cut" of the booty), the welfare state is simply not possible. When the current government can no longer function in this mode (which will happen during the on-going financial collapse), the welfare state will be finished, as it already is in Greece.

Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done- not by consent, but by compulsion- when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing- when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors- when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you- when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self- sacrifice- you may know that your society is doomed...

When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and loser their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask "who is destroying the world?" You are. -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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Creation. How can anyone not see that the world was created? It is self evident.

You claim to have unique knowledge and understanding of how the world was created? By having blind faith in the bible, same as Muslims who blindly believe in the Koran, et al...?

You have no unique knowledge, only faith. And while that appears to be sufficient for you, it is not sufficient for me. You see, for me to be convinced, I need information that is

a. Observable,
b. Repeatable, and
c. Measurable.

If you wish to discuss matters of how something was made, or some aspect of physics or engineering, than you need to have observable, measurable and repeatable data.

If you don't have that, you have nothing but merely opinion, which no more (or less) weight than the opinion of LoonyMing, calcon, Mad Dog or any other poster on this forum.

What do you think?

What makes you think you think?

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