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Title: Why The Polls Understate Romney Vote
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URL Source: http://www.dickmorris.com/why-the-polls-under-state-romney-vote/
Published: Sep 22, 2012
Author: Dick Morris
Post Date: 2012-09-22 16:31:50 by jwpegler
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Views: 3330
Comments: 7

Republicans are getting depressed under an avalanche of polling suggesting that an Obama victory is in the offing. They, in fact, suggest no such thing! Here’s why:

1. All of the polling out there uses some variant of the 2008 election turnout as its model for weighting respondents and this overstates the Democratic vote by a huge margin.

In English, this means that when you do a poll you ask people if they are likely to vote. But any telephone survey always has too few blacks, Latinos, and young people and too many elderly in its sample. That’s because some don’t have landlines or are rarely at home or don’t speak English well enough to be interviewed or don’t have time to talk. Elderly are overstated because they tend to be home and to have time. So you need to increase the weight given to interviews with young people, blacks and Latinos and count those with seniors a bit less.

Normally, this task is not difficult. Over the years, the black, Latino, young, and elderly proportion of the electorate has been fairly constant from election to election, except for a gradual increase in the Hispanic vote. You just need to look back at the last election to weight your polling numbers for this one.

But 2008 was no ordinary election. Blacks, for example, usually cast only 11% of the vote, but, in 2008, they made up 14% of the vote. Latinos increased their share of the vote by 1.5% and college kids almost doubled their vote share.

Almost all pollsters are using the 2008 turnout models in weighting their samples. Rasmussen, more accurately, uses a mixture of 2008 and 2004 turnouts in determining his sample. That’s why his data usually is better for Romney.

But polling indicates a widespread lack of enthusiasm among Obama’s core demographic support due to high unemployment, disappointment with his policies and performance, and the lack of novelty in voting for a black candidate now that he has already served as president.

If you adjust virtually any of the published polls to reflect the 2004 vote, not the 2008 vote, they show the race either tied or Romney ahead, a view much closer to reality.

2. Almost all of the published polls show Obama getting less than 50% of the vote and less than 50% job approval. A majority of the voters either support Romney or are undecided in almost every poll.

But the fact is that the undecided vote always goes against the incumbent. In 1980 (the last time an incumbent Democrat was beaten), for example, the Gallup Poll of October 27th had Carter ahead by 45-39. Their survey on November 2nd showed Reagan catching up and leading by three points. In the actual voting, the Republican won by nine. The undecided vote broke sharply — and unanimously — for the challenger.

An undecided voter has really decided not to back the incumbent. He just won’t focus on the race until later in the game.

So, when the published poll shows Obama ahead by, say, 48-45, he’s really probably losing by 52-48!

Add these two factors together and the polls that are out there are all misleading. Any professional pollster (those consultants hired by candidates not by media outlets) would publish two findings for each poll — one using 2004 turnout modeling and the other using 2008 modeling. This would indicate just how dependent on an unusually high turnout of his base the Obama camp really is.

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

An undecided voter has really decided not to back the incumbent. He just won’t focus on the race until later in the game.

This is exactly right.

The Obama "historical" moment (being elected as the first non-white President) has come and gone.

Now we have to look at the historical norms.

History has shown us that NO PRESIDENT EVER, has been re-elected with a smaller percentage of the vote than he received in his first election to the Presidency. Obama is NOT going to win a larger percentage of the vote than he did in in 2008. No way.

My prediction: Obama won't even reach 50% of the vote this year, let alone 53%.

There is still a possibility that Obama could win re-election (and buck history) if Virgil Goode does really well in Virgina and Gary Johnson does really well in New Mexico and neighboring western states. I seriously doubt that this will happen, but it is possible.

In spite of the uniformity of broadcast network and big publication media bias towards Obama -- a level of bias that we have never seen before -- Romney is still in the game. This is very instructive as to what will actually happen in November, when 80% + of the undecided voters cast their votes against Obama.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom

jwpegler  posted on  2012-09-22   16:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: jwpegler (#0)

"Dick Morris"... {{{chuckle}}}

It is not easy reconstructing 'molded minds'...

Brian S  posted on  2012-09-22   18:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#2) (Edited)

"Dick Morris"... {{{chuckle}}}

No, my analysis is that Obama won't reach 50% of the vote, let alone the 52.9% he got in 2008.

Given the entire history of Presidential elections in the U.S., this means that Obama is very unlikely to be re-elected.

If Obama does manage to get re-elected, it won't because of him. He will get under 50% of the vote. He can only get re-elected if Virgil Goode and Gary Johnson do better than the Constitution Party and Libertarian Parties candidate have ever done.

We'll see how much damage Virgil Goode and Gary Johnson will do to Romney. I suspect not much.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom

jwpegler  posted on  2012-09-22   19:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#3) (Edited)

No, my analysis is that Obama won't reach 50% of the vote, let alone the 52.9% he got in 2008.

My analysis is he won't even get all of those who don't pay taxes, <47%!!

BTW, You will owe me a beer come November!! :)

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-09-23   8:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#3)

No, my analysis is that Obama won't reach 50% of the vote, let alone the 52.9% he got in 2008.

Given the entire history of Presidential elections in the U.S., this means that Obama is very unlikely to be re-elected.

ROTFL!!

meguro  posted on  2012-11-21   6:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: meguro (#5) (Edited)

No, my analysis is that Obama won't reach 50% of the vote, let alone the 52.9% he got in 2008. Given the entire history of Presidential elections in the U.S., this means that Obama is very unlikely to be re-elected.

ROTFL!!

Yep, Obama beat the odds and got re-elected with a smaller percentage of the vote than he got the first time, because of dimwitted fools like you.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom

jwpegler  posted on  2012-11-22   13:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#6)

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

ROTFLMAO indeed.

We won, you lost. I guess you'll be spending the next 4 years whining, sobbing, and stomping your feet like a child. Oh well.

meguro  posted on  2012-11-24   16:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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