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Title: Could Virgil Goode Win Virginia for Barack Obama?
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ABC News
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012- ... on-third-party-candidates.html
Published: Sep 14, 2012
Author: By CHRIS GOOD
Post Date: 2012-09-14 10:52:26 by Brian S
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Views: 3029
Comments: 11
If Mitt Romney loses Virginia, Virgil Goode says it won't be his fault -- and, should the unlikely presidential bid by the state's former congressman siphon enough votes to hand the commonwealth to President Obama, Goode doesn't seem too worried about it anyway. "The assumption that they're all from Romney is incorrect," Goode said, maintaining that not all of the people who might vote for him will be erstwhile Romney supporters, effectively stealing from the vote total of the Republican Party's presidential candidate. "The guy that runs the service station right near my house said, 'Virgil, if you get on the ballot, I'm going to vote for you, and that'll take a vote away from Obama' -- and he voted for Obama last time. "A lot of disgruntled Democrats that don't like Obama -- old-line Democrats, some of them even conservative -- will never vote for a Republican ticket, but they will vote for me as an independent," he said. An immigration hard-liner and Obama birth-certificate skeptic, Goode has been out of Congress since 2009, but suddenly he's a busy man. Running for president as the Constitution Party's nominee, last week Goode qualified for the ballot in Virginia, despite a petition-fraud investigation by the Republican state attorney general. On Tuesday, Goode traveled from his home base in southern Virginia, which he represented in Congress for 12 years -- first as a Democrat, then as an independent, then as a Republican -- to New York City, where he was scheduled to film two national TV interviews. "I'm not sure," Goode said of the exact number of states where his name will appear on ballots. Goode has qualified in 25 to 30 states, he said, and may appear in 40. "Nebraska's up in the air, Alabama, we just turned in. Rhode Island we just turned in," he said. The main plank in Goode's campaign platform is less immigration, legal or illegal. "The key factor is we need to be focusing on the job issue in a way that's different from what Obama and Romney are doing," he said. "I'm the only candidate in the field, and the Constitution Party is the only party that truly recognizes that we need to preserve jobs for American citizens first. "I have called for a near moratorium on green-card admissions until unemployment is under 5 percent," he said. Goode was known in Congress as an immigration hard-liner, particularly, upon his exit, for a letter he sent criticizing Rep. Keith Ellison's use of the Quran during his ceremonial swearing-in to Congress. "The Muslim representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Quran," Goode wrote of the newly elected congressman in 2007. The letter earned him widespread condemnation, and it preceded his re-election loss in 2008. Goode stood by it then, and he stands by it now. "What irritated CAIR and the Muslim groups wasn't what I said about religion," Goode said. "I think having so much immigration is a negative for the United States. ... I'm sure the Muslim groups like diversity visas. So many come in -- it's just a lottery system, you can jump to the head of the line with diversity visas." Nor does he like what he's heard from Romney or Obama on immigration.
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#1. To: Brian S, *Constitution Party* (#0)
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No, but he can win the presidency for Joe Biden. The Constitution Party Goode electoral college delegates will do what no Republican or Democrat had the courage to do in '08, raise a formal challenge to British subject Obama's eligibility to be president of the US. God bless the Constitution Party! The really sweet part is, they can do the same for Mexican Mitt should he win enough electoral delegates to be declared ineligible. It's a win, win! Either Joe Biden or Paul Ryan will be the next president. BTW, the electoral college would have been the proper venue to deal with Al Gore's mental problems in 2000.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Virgil will be getting my vote. I'd love to see him as part of a 3-way presidential debate,but the ruling elites are going to find some way to keep him out in order to protect their product.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Which states do you honestly believe Virgil will win? What will give his electoral delegates standing to challenge either the big o or mitt? As I understand the process, after the election by the people, the electoral delegates meet in their own states and do their vote and send it on to the Senate. Then, on January 6, or thereabouts, there is a joint meeting of the house and the senate where the votes are counted. It is in this process that objections can be raised. If I am correct, and I believe I am, who does Virgil have in his corner of the arena, both a representative and a senator, who would raise objections on a state' vote? Further, afer this leg of the journey, is it possible he could get a majority of democrats and/or republicans to agree to not accept the electoral votes from that particular state? The only time that Virgil's 'electoral delegates' would have an opinion would be when they are casting a vote for him in their individual state capital. The electoral delegates never all meet (from all states and DC).
There won't be any Constitution Party electoral college delegates. None, nada, zip, ZERO. Virgil Goode could take enough popular votes away from Romney to hand Obama all of the electoral college delegates in Virginia and therefore the election. But I seriously doubt it. Almost everyone who thinks Obama has done a horrible job will hold their nose and vote for Romney. The incompetent, anti-American, leftist, communist, black liberationist is going down in flames. Just watch.
As far as I can remember from the 2000 debacle, any electoral college delegate can raise an objection to a candidates eligibility, vote fraud, etc., and the matter must ultimately be voted on. They're not just there to sight-see in DC. It's their job to resolve presidential election issues. They'd most likely be outvoted by the corrupt D&R party hacks, but about half of them would be against the other half, so that outcome is by no means certain. Throw in the fact that there might be some rogue Ron Paul supporters scrapping for a fight, and it could get real interesting if they have to take more than one vote.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
The electoral delegates do not get to go to DC.........they vote at the state capitol of their individual state. Once they have voted and their governor or secretary of state, or both, sign off on it and send it to DC where it is held until the 6th of Janauary (the first day the congress meets. I think they, the senators and the representatives get sworn in first. Then they hold a joint session where the ballots are opened. It is at this point in time that objections can be raised-- but only by a senator AND a representative. There is a process they go thru if there is an objection (they put the joint session on hold while they deliberate); then when resolved continue onwards til all the ballots are counted and the winner of 271 or more votes is declared the winner. BTW, there is a process in place should no one get the 271 votes. NO WHERE do the delegates get involved EXCEPT at the state level........snd at that, there are rules that must be adhered to.
Are you sure of that,Dee? Back when I was a precinct captain they were looking for delegates to go to the Republican convention to cast ballots. I volunteered,and while nobody actually had a stroke at the thought,there were some shocked looks. Needless to say I didn't get to go.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Let me tell you how this works. 1.) Each party picks their own Presidential electors. 2.) Whoever wins the popular vote in a state gets to send their electors to their state capital in December to vote for the President. 3.) Electors can vote for whomever they want -- they are not bound by the state's popular vote. However, electors are long time party loyalists, so they almost always vote for their party's candidate. Virgil Goode is NOT going to win Virginia. So, his electors don't get to go anywhere and vote on anything at anytime. PERIOD. Pardon me for saying so, but you have a lot of misconceptions about how the political process works in America. I suspect that if you actually understood how the process worked, you'd wake up, stop putting your hopes on false scenarios, and come to the realization that the only way to get rid of Obama is to vote for Romney. Voting for Virgil Goode won't get rid of Obama. Challenging Obama's birth certificate in the courts won't get rid of Obama. Writing in Ron Paul's name on the ballot won't get rid of Obama. At this point, the only way to get rid of Obama is to vote for Romney. That's the bottom line.
The republican, nor democrat, conventions are not involved with the electoral college vote. They vote at their individual state capitols and send the vote record to the Senate where it is kept sealed until Congress holds a joint session in early January, wherein they are opened, one at a time, and the votes tallied by members selected for that purpose. I believe they do it out in the open. During this time is when the requir3d senator and representative file a written letter of protest againist the vote. And they stop everything until they resolve that issue; and then they proceed. I will go look for any additonal light I ocan shed on this.
Here's a good link to an excellent dissertation about the Electoral College and the process. http://www.fec.gov/pdf/eleccoll.pdfere's
Win Virginia for Barack Obama
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: hondo68 (#1)
The Constitution Party Goode electoral college delegates will do what no Republican or Democrat had the courage to do in '08, raise a formal challenge to British subject Obama's eligibility to be president of the US. God bless the Constitution Party!
#4. To: hondo68 (#1)
The Constitution Party Goode electoral college delegates
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#5. To: rowdee (#3)
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"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#6. To: rowdee, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#3)
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"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#7. To: hondo68 (#6)
#8. To: rowdee (#7)
The electoral delegates do not get to go to DC.........they vote at the state capitol of their individual state.
#9. To: hondo68 (#6)
(Edited)
any electoral college delegate can raise an objection to a candidates eligibility, vote fraud, etc., and the matter must ultimately be voted on. They're not just there to sight-see in DC. It's their job to resolve presidential election issues.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#10. To: sneakypete (#8)
#11. To: sneakypete, hondo68, All (#10)
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