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Title: Obama's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins'
Source: spiegel
URL Source: http://www.spiegel.de/international ... nst-us-embassies-a-855835.html
Published: Sep 14, 2012
Author: smith
Post Date: 2012-09-14 09:29:54 by calcon
Keywords: None
Views: 9320
Comments: 40

After days of protests over an anti-Islam film, American diplomatic missions in the Middle East and North Africa were braced for further violence after Friday prayers. The US put its overseas missions on high alert.

Germany has closed its embassies in a number of Muslim-majority countries in fear of attacks. "We are observing how the security situation develops with great attentiveness and we have increased security precautions at a number of foreign missions," a spokesman for the German Foreign Office told SPIEGEL ONLINE. Embassies in North Africa, Afghanistan and Pakistan are believed to be among those affected.

The spokesman said that the missions would only close on Friday, though. Other German institutions such as aid organizations have also been urged to increase security precautions, he said.

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said he was "deeply concerned" about the attacks on US embassies. He called on the countries in question to protect foreign missions. "Diplomats have to be able to do their work without fear," he said.

Westerwelle said he could understand the outrage that many Muslims felt about the anti-Islam film. "But this outrage cannot justify violence."

The German army in Afghanistan is also increasing its security precautions. "We are assuming that we will also feel the effects of this whole business," one German soldier told SPIEGEL ONLINE in a telephone interview. "When the people here see the film, they are sure to protest."

Violent Clashes

The US ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were killed on Tuesday when protesters attacked the US consulate in Benghazi. American officials are investigating the possibility that militant Islamist groups such as al-Qaida may have exploited the Benghazi protests to attack the consulate.

There have been violent protests in Cairo and Yemen since then. On Friday, Egyptian police clashed with protesters after security forces blocked the route to the US Embassy.

The protests were sparked by an anti-Islamic film posted online that features an unflattering depiction of the Prophet Muhammad. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denounced the video on Thursday. "The United States government had absolutely nothing to do with this video," she said. "We absolutely reject its content and message."

The video and the associated protests have also become an issue in the US election campaign. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney used the protests and what he called an apology by the US government as an opportunity to attack Obama.

At a campaign event on Thursday, Obama took a hard line on the attacks. "To all those who would do us harm: No act of terror will go unpunished," he said. "No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America."

Meanwhile, Pope Benedict XVI began a three-day visit to Lebanon on Friday. His visit is the focus of much international attention, given the heightened tensions in the region.

On Friday, German commentators analyze the violence and its implications for US foreign policy.

The center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:

"The murder of an ambassador in Libya and the attacks on US diplomatic missions in other Arab countries is sure to strengthen the skepticism that more than a few Americans feel toward Muslims and the political changes brought by the Arab revolutions. The deeply held American belief that all you have to do is liberate people from serfdom and dictatorship, and then democracy and a market economy will develop more or less on their own, burned to ash in the trial by fire of Iraq. A fact that academics and historically informed diplomats have always known can now be observed throughout the Arab world: Deeply ingrained cultural attitudes do not change simply because one political regime replaces another. In the long process of building a democratic society, it is not possible to simply skip stages."

The left-leaning Berliner Zeitung writes:

"The attacks on US embassies and consulates in the Arab world can not be justified in any way. If it turns out that al-Qaida is behind the attacks, as some US officials suspect, then they are acts of terrorism committed under the guise of religion. If they turn out to be uncoordinated actions by angry believers, then they are an expression of a frightening ignorance. A crazy individual US citizen has uploaded a movie onto the Internet which denigrates the Prophet Muhammad. The US government can not be held responsible for that. But that clearly does not help US President Barack Obama very much. He has to bear the political consequences of the recent events by himself."

"Four years ago, Obama pledged to seek reconciliation with the Muslim world. Now, it is doubtful whether he has succeeded. The US and its European allies now have to ask themselves how much support they still enjoy in the countries of the Arab Spring."

The center-left daily Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

"Since the Arab Spring broke out, there have been many difficult moments in the relationships between America and the Arab nations. But few have been as delicate as this one. America hardly has influence in the region any longer, and now sees itself confronted with anti-American sentiment in places where it no longer controls the dictators. Meanwhile, forces that simultaneously exploit and spurn America are gaining influence."

"Middle Eastern policy is a thankless task for America. But for precisely this reason -- and despite the election campaign -- it would be unwise to pour oil into the fire. The fact that President Obama has deployed destroyers and marines to Libya, and may soon send out drones, isn't a good sign, though. … Should Washington fall into defense mode, as it has in Yemen against al-Qaida, where the anti-terrorism fight is the top priority and there have been civilian victims, then the tables could turn quickly. People in the Arab world want to be more than just a security risk."

The conservative Die Welt writes:

"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."

"Obama was naive to believe that one only needed to adopt a new tone and show more respect in order to dispel deep-seated reservations about the free world. In practice, the policies of the Obama administration in the region were not as naive as they may have seemed at times, and the Americans have always been much more involved in the Middle East than the passive Europeans. But Washington has provided the image of a distracted superpower in the process of decline to the societies there. This image of weakness is being exploited by Salafists and al-Qaida, who are active in North Africa from Somalia to Mali."

"One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."

The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:

"The conservative US media have already -- excessively -- labeled the anti-US protests in Egypt, Libya and Yemen as a 'wildfire' and interpreted them as a result of Obama's 'weakness.'"

"It's lucky for Obama that his opponent Romney is acting in such a hapless manner. Instead of condemning the attacks in a statesman-like fashion and assuring the president of his support, Romney criticized the government's alleged 'apology' to the demonstrators. That was not just nonsense, but partisan maneuvering at a moment when patriotism would have been appropriate. With his attack, Romney has scored an own goal."

The financial daily Handelsblatt writes:

"Three years after Obama's speech in Cairo, which was supposed to initiate a new beginning in the Middle East, the United States now has even less support in the region than before. That's not a failure of this president. Instead, it is the consequences of an American foreign policy that for decades favored power over democracy, and a hard line over human rights -- and which will suffer from a credibility problem for a long time for precisely those reasons."

"Mitt Romney has, however, failed to recognize the very core of the American dilemma. He attacked Obama with twisted facts shortly after the announcement of the death of the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens. He claimed that the US government had sympathized with the attackers in Benghazi. But not only was that factually wrong, it also demonstrated an alarmingly high level of foreign policy incompetence to his own party. None of this would matter, except that Romney wants Obama's job -- and might even get it on Nov. 6."

The mass-circulation daily Bild writes:

"Naked hatred is raging against a country that many people in the world regard as a symbol of freedom. When US flags burn, embassies are vandalized, and diplomats are murdered, it is an attack on the West, and not just America!"

"We rooted for the demonstrators at Tahrir Square, and many of us have longed to see democracy in the Arab nations. But democracy includes honoring the lives of fellow humans."

"The turmoil in Libya, Cairo, and Bangladesh is a return to the Middle Ages, when people were beheaded and stoned to death. No pathetic anti-Islam film can justify hate-filled murder."

"The West must be tough on terrorism. And it must show that it can differentiate between rabble-rousers and peaceful Muslims."

With reporting by Hasnain Kazim.

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#1. To: calcon (#0)

Calling it "Obama's Middle East Policy" is misleading. Obama is following the same plan that Bush was following, which is the same plan that Robamney has dedicated himself to. For example, adviser's to Obama include 5th columnist and Israeli-firsters Frederick Kagan, a brother of fellow 5th columnist and American traitor Robert Kagan. Then there are the traitors Marc Grossman, Richardl Perle, Douglas Feith, and Dennis Ross. All of these people are or were working as foreign policy "advisers" to the Obama administration.

A better title would be "Neoconservative Middle East Policy in Ruins"

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:00:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Fibr Dog (#1)

Calling it "Obama's Middle East Policy" is misleading. Obama is following the same plan that Bush was following,

lol. Not true at all. Obama pushed Mubarak not Bush. Obama embraced his muslim roots and reached out to the Muslim Bortherhood, not Bush.

Yes Bush pretty much sucked but you can't blame this one on him. At least not directly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)

Yes Bush pretty much sucked but you can't blame this one on him. At least not directly.

I'm not blaming Bush. This problem goes beyond Bush. I'm blaming the neoconservative cabal that has a foreign policy stranglehold on BOTH party's.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Fibr Dog (#3)

I'm starting to see it this way. The Muslims are kooks who worship a pedophile. They are evil and want everyone to be like them. They are growing. Maybe it is time to wack them real good. The world would be better off with a lot fewer Muslims. They are a problem and will continue to be a problem until they are dealt with decisively.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

I'm starting to see it this way. The Muslims are kooks who worship a pedophile. They are evil and want everyone to be like them. They are growing. Maybe it is time to wack them real good. The world would be better off with a lot fewer Muslims. They are a problem and will continue to be a problem until they are dealt with decisively.

Let's see, we de-stablize their countries and because they don't respond in the way you think they should they are the problem?

None of would even be happening had the US not interfered. Everything that is happening is a direct consequence of our actions. This is a perfect example of the unintended consequences of our actions.

You don't want Americans being killed by Muslims then get out of their countries and let them go back to killing each other like they were doing before we got there.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fibr Dog (#5)

“such acts will continue to cause devout Muslims across the world to suspect and even loathe the West, especially the USA, for allowing their citizens to violate the sanctity of what they (Muslims) hold dear and holy. Hence, we (the Muslim Brotherhood) demand that all those involved in such crimes (free speech) be urgently brought to trial”. The Muslim Brotherhood, Cairo – September 12, 2012.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/eric-allen-bell/the-true-face-of-facebook/2/

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

same source as above

Anyway, recently my Facebook inbox was flooded with the usual threats from Muslims, telling me that I should be killed for “mocking the prophet” and lefties who refuse to tolerate my intolerance. Here are just 5 real examples, of messages I receive regularly, for daring to criticize the religion of peace:

1) “You are a racist pig who needs to be silenced. I hope someone ends your life slowly and painfully. Why don’t you go find a freeway overpass and throw yourself off of it, or borrow a gun and just blow your own fucking brains out so that we don’t have to listen to your uninformed, racist, bigoted, right wing, bull shit anymore.”

2) “Eric Allen Bell u will die death of a pig. And every man and women who talk bad about muslim prophet and ALLAH will die as same.”

3) “Why u people want to die so early?”

4) “Eric your backward counting has started now. inshaAllah you will not live more now. wait for your death and that dead will set an example for all the persons which had the same ideology like You.”

5) “I will kill u bastard.”

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Fibr Dog (#5)

They are the armies of satan. I could care less about their feelings anymore or if someone kills them all. Worthless trash.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#6)

So what else is new? They've always loathed the West. They are goat humping heretical death worshipers with an 11th century tribal culture/mindset.

Not a single Muslim country has the capability of hurting this country. If you don't want Americans dying then get them out of those countries and kick them out of this country.

You are not going to get the global jihad against Muslims you so desperately want.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fibr Dog (#9)

Not a single Muslim country has the capability of hurting this country. If you don't want Americans dying then get them out of those countries and kick them out of this country.

That would work for me.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fibr Dog (#9)

You are not going to get the global jihad against Muslims you so desperately want.

That isn't actually what I want. But I'm tired of hearing about the Muslims and their stupid demands. Screw them. If someone wants to wipe them out the good for them.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#7)

frontpagemag.com

Please. It's a Zionist rag created by a hard-core leftist whose authors are 5th columnists whose loyalties lie with Israel. It's agenda is to get the United States to conquer the Middle East for Israel.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)

If someone wants to wipe them out the good for them.

I don't care one way or another if they get wiped out as long as it's not our troops or our money that does it. We can't afford it and members of the United States military signed up to defend this country, not run around the world killing people because they won't bow to our will.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Fibr Dog (#12)

Please. It's a Zionist rag

Jesus was a zionist.

When you say Zionist.... you start to sound like Khadaffi or the Ayatollah Khomeini.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Blasphemous B.S. Jesus was Jewish. There are millions of Jews in the world that reject Zionism. Zionism is political in nature and is a form of nationalism based on Jewish supremacy.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Fibr Dog (#15)

Blasphemous B.S. Jesus was Jewish.

Zionists believe that Israel is the land of the Jews.

That is what Jesus and the Bible also teach.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fibr Dog (#13)

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   10:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Zionists believe that Israel is the land of the Jews.

That is what Jesus and the Bible also teach.

If that was true then God wouldn't have used the Romans to scatter the Jewish people to the four winds after they rejected Jesus. Just like he did in the Old Testament.

Since when has God allowed the Jewish people to ignore his will without being punished?

The Jews are God's chosen. They do not need the protection of the American government because they have the protection of the Almighty Himself.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   10:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)

You mistake me if you believe I'm pro-Muslim. I consider both Islam and Zionism (Christian and Jewish) heretical death cults that unwittingly do the bidding of Satan. Death, blood, pain, and misery are the sacraments they present as their offerings.

Notice I say Zionism, not Judaism. While the Jewish religion is a heresy and a dead religion, I do not hold it in the same regards as Zionism.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All (#19)

As for foreign aid, I think ALL foreign aid should stop in order to reduce the deficit.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Fibr Dog (#18)

If that was true then God wouldn't have used the Romans to scatter the Jewish people to the four winds after they rejected Jesus.

Yes true. But he also propheside their return to the land. Do you think the Jews have to be all christians before they return? Do they have to be perfect before they return? Or are they maybe going to return and it will happen over time?

The Book of Nehemiah 2

Nehemiah Sent to Jerusalem 1 And it came to pass in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerx'es the king, that wine was before him: and I took up the wine, and gave it unto the king. Now I had not been beforetime sad in his presence. 2 Wherefore the king said unto me, Why is thy countenance sad, seeing thou art not sick? this is nothing else but sorrow of heart. Then I was very sore afraid, 3 and said unto the king, Let the king live for ever: why should not my countenance be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers' sepulchres, lieth waste, and the gates thereof are consumed with fire 2 Kgs. 25.8-10 · 2 Chr. 36.19 · Jer. 52.12-14 ? 4 Then the king said unto me, For what dost thou make request? So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said unto the king, If it please the king, and if thy servant have found favor in thy sight, that thou wouldest send me unto Judah, unto the city of my fathers' sepulchres, that I may build it. 6 And the king said unto me, (the queen also sitting by him,) For how long shall thy journey be? and when wilt thou return? So it pleased the king to send me; and I set him a time. 7 Moreover I said unto the king, If it please the king, let letters be given me to the governors beyond the river, that they may convey me over till I come into Judah; 8 and a letter unto Asaph the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the palace which appertained to the house, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall enter into. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my God upon me. 9 ¶ Then I came to the governors beyond the river, and gave them the king's letters. Now the king had sent captains of the army and horsemen with me. 10 When Sanbal'lat the Hor'onite, and Tobi'ah the servant, the Ammonite, heard of it, it grieved them exceedingly that there was come a man to seek the welfare of the children of Israel.

Nehemiah Encourages the People to Rebuild the Walls 11 ¶ So I came to Jerusalem, and was there three days. 12 And I arose in the night, I and some few men with me; neither told I any man what my God had put in my heart to do at Jerusalem: neither was there any beast with me, save the beast that I rode upon. 13 And I went out by night by the gate of the valley, even before the dragon well, and to the dung port, and viewed the walls of Jerusalem, which were broken down, and the gates thereof were consumed with fire. 14 Then I went on to the gate of the fountain, and to the king's pool: but there was no place for the beast that was under me to pass. 15 Then went I up in the night by the brook, and viewed the wall, and turned back, and entered by the gate of the valley, and so returned. 16 And the rulers knew not whither I went, or what I did; neither had I as yet told it to the Jews, nor to the priests, nor to the nobles, nor to the rulers, nor to the rest that did the work. 17 ¶ Then said I unto them, Ye see the distress that we are in, how Jerusalem lieth waste, and the gates thereof are burned with fire: come, and let us build up the wall of Jerusalem, that we be no more a reproach. 18 Then I told them of the hand of my God which was good upon me; as also the king's words that he had spoken unto me. And they said, Let us rise up and build. So they strengthened their hands for this good work. 19 But when Sanbal'lat the Hor'onite, and Tobi'ah the servant, the Ammonite, and Geshem the Arabian, heard it, they laughed us to scorn, and despised us, and said, What is this thing that ye do? will ye rebel against the king? 20 Then answered I them, and said unto them, The God of heaven, he will prosper us; therefore we his servants will arise and build: but ye have no portion, nor right, nor memorial, in Jerusalem.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   11:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Fibr Dog (#20)

As for foreign aid, I think ALL foreign aid should stop in order to reduce the deficit.

I don't disagree with that at all. But it is just a drop in the bucket. Cut it all.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   11:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)

I do not believe that God would allow the Jewish people to create a country that treats Christians as second class citizens as today's Israeli state does. On the other hand, Jesus allowed Himself to be beaten, tortured, and crucified, so maybe He doesn't think that suffering in His name is a bad thing. I do not know the mind of God and have no way of knowing what He thinks.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Cut it all.

Agreed.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Fibr Dog (#23)

I do not believe that God would allow the Jewish people to create a country that treats Christians as second class citizens as today's Israeli state does.

Good point I must confess.

Do you know why I put the book of Neamiah up there?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   11:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#25)

Do you know why I put the book of Neamiah up there?

If I had to guess I would say it is because God used the Persian empire to help Nehemiah rebuild the walls of Jerusalem and you think that God is today using the United States in the same way.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Fibr Dog (#26)

Your knowledge of it is better then mine.

But were the Jews "in covenant" when that happened?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   11:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Fibr Dog (#1)

“Audacity of Hope”, page 261, Barack Hussein Obama writes:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

out damned spot posted on 2012-09-14

your neocom bush bogeyman is getting old - faded !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-09-14   11:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)

But were the Jews "in covenant" when that happened?

The covenant doesn't go away just because they are being punished. Does your love for your children go away when they misbehave and/or piss you off? Of course not. However, that does not stop you from punishing them.

There is a difference though. In that time, Nehemiah, with the help of the High Priest, ensured that The Jewish people were living in accordance with God's laws. He even came back later on to ensure they were and when he found they weren't he forced them again.

Today they are unable to live in accordance with God's laws because they have no temple. Or, to be more precise, they choose not to use the temple and therefore have no way to atone for their sins.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: BorisY (#28)

your neocom bush bogeyman is getting old - faded !

The point of my post was not to cast blame upon Bush but to point out that the same people who advised Bush are and have been advising Obama as well as Robamney.

Do try to keep up.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Fibr Dog (#29)

Doesnt' the Bible say they will rebuild the temple before his return?

Wouldn't that imply that they will have to be unforgiven sinners when they return to the land. As the temple wouldn't be built before they returned.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   11:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fibr Dog (#29)

The covenant doesn't go away just because they are being punished.

What I meant was were they fulfilling their part of the covenant?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   11:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)

What I meant was were they fulfilling their part of the covenant?

I am unsure. The whole history of the Jewish people is one of sinning and repenting (as it is for us all LOL). I am unsure of what their status was at that time. I have to assume that enough of them were repentant that He chose to send Nehemiah. But that is pure speculation on my part.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Doesnt' the Bible say they will rebuild the temple before his return?

Wouldn't that imply that they will have to be unforgiven sinners when they return to the land. As the temple wouldn't be built before they returned.

Good point.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   11:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Fibr Dog (#30)

Your political spectrum is a burned out bulb lava lump lamp !

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2012-09-14   11:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: BorisY (#28)

“Audacity of Hope”, page 261, Barack Hussein Obama writes:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

out damned spot posted on 2012-09-14

your neocom bush bogeyman is getting old - faded !

No, what get's old is you Republicrats trying to paint Robama as a peace-loving Muslim sympathizer. The guy has expanded the WOT into Pakistan and Yemen, killing thousands, destabilized almost the entire Middle East, and has 5th columnist neocons as his foreign policy advisers.

You and your ilk are as bad as the Democan partisans were when Bush was president. If Clinton had been able to get away with growing the size of government the way Bush did, he would be worshiped as a God by the Democans. In the same way, had Bush done what Robama has done you would be calling him the greatest president since Washington.

A pox on both of your party's

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   12:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: BorisY (#35)

Your political spectrum is a burned out bulb lava lump lamp !

Whether or not that is true does not negate the fact of who is and has been advising Robama on foreign policy.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   12:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Fibr Dog (#36)

No, what get's old is you Republicrats trying to paint Robama as a peace-loving Muslim sympathizer. The guy has expanded the WOT into Pakistan and Yemen, killing thousands, destabilized almost the entire Middle East, and has 5th columnist neocons as his foreign policy advisers.

I consider him pro muslim.

Not that he is the antichrist. But doesn't the antichrst pretend to be the Jews friend then stab them in the back?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-09-14   12:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)

I consider him pro muslim.

I consider him to be just another bought and paid for politician whose religion is cynicism, money, and power.

Fibr Dog  posted on  2012-09-14   12:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: calcon (#0)

Obama's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins'

USSA's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins'

FIFY

mcgowanjm  posted on  2012-09-15   8:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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