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Title: The RNC shouldn’t honor Ron Paul at the convention
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URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic ... 15101/problem-paul-jamie-m-fly
Published: Aug 29, 2012
Author: Jamie M. Fly & Evan Moore
Post Date: 2012-08-29 10:05:09 by calcon
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With the cancellation of the first night of the Republican convention in Tampa, organizers scrambled to adjust the schedule and find space across the remaining three nights for events originally slated for Monday. Unfortunately, it appears that convention planners missed an opportunity to reverse the ridiculous and regrettable decision made by the Romney campaign to feature a video tribute to retiring congressman Ron Paul, who has not even endorsed Governor Romney. Paul did win as many as 175 delegates, and his acolytes are already trumpeting their supposed success in influencing the platform that will be unveiled in Tampa. Romney’s political advisers are of course more concerned with getting their candidate into the White House than with making waves with Paul and his often vocal supporters. Concessions have already been made to them on extraneous issues during the drafting of the platform. A speaking slot has been given to the congressman’s son, Senator Rand Paul, which he apparently plans to use to attack defense spending. But paying tribute to Representative Paul is a step too far. Instead of honoring Paul on the way out, the delegates in Tampa should be cheering his departure. He has left a legacy of extremism and falsehoods that need to be driven from the party, not embraced by it. Advertisement It’s important to remember how far outside the mainstream Paul and many of his supporters are. His libertarian views on domestic and economic policy are said to appeal to many, especially young conservatives. We’re told that we should just ignore his extreme views on foreign policy in the interest of harnessing this energy for the greater good of the conservative movement. But to do that is to ignore how central his foreign-policy views are to what he represents. This was on display as recently as August 1, when Congress overwhelmingly approved new sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran. In the House of Representatives, the vote was 421–6 in favor. Paul, four other Republicans, and Dennis Kucinich (D., Ohio) voted against the measure. In his floor remarks, the congressman echoed the worst rhetoric of the conspiracy-minded by saying that the bill was “beating the war drums once again” and that the United States was “over there poking our nose . . . in other people’s affairs, just looking for the chance to start another war.” Americans are free to take extreme positions on foreign as well as domestic policy. The problem with Paul and his ilk is that so much of their worldview is based on pure fiction. Characteristically, Paul’s remarks on the House floor regarding Iran’s nuclear program were exaggerated or simply wrong. When Paul remarked that “the IAEA and CIA said they are not on the verge of a nuclear weapon,” that “they are permitted to have their nuclear programs under the Non-Proliferation Treaty,” and that “we continue to be . . . obsessed with Iran and the idea that Iran is a threat to our national security,” he paints a picture of a peaceful and benevolent Islamic Republic that has never actually existed. Indeed, in November, the IAEA reported that it had “serious concerns regarding possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear programme” and that “Iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device.” The Nonproliferation Treaty does not afford Iran — or any other country — a right to uranium enrichment. Paul’s apologia for the ayatollahs is as absurd as it is dangerous. It is wholly irresponsible for anyone who aspires to national leadership. Paul has left a trail of similar factual errors and conspiracy-mongering on issues ranging from the defense budget to America’s position overseas, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and even the origins of the attacks of September 11, 2001 — all themes he repeated during a speech to his supporters at the University of South Florida on Sunday as he boasted that “we will get in the tent because we will become the tent eventually.” This is not the first time that conservatives have faced the problem of fringe elements’ attempting to manipulate the hearts and minds of the movement. In the 1960s, Paul’s equivalent was Robert Welch and the John Birch Society, eventually driven from the Republican party by the likes of William F. Buckley Jr. Paul to this day refuses to disassociate himself from the Birch Society and, like Welch and Pat Buchanan, he has a history of making questionable, racist and anti-Semitic comments (some of them later blamed on staff). Anyone who has ever criticized Paul online and had to deal with his legions of vitriolic and abusive followers has no doubt about what he has spawned. Republicans are right to criticize Democrats, including our current president, for their unwillingness to chastise those on the far left who hold anti-American views that are not reflective of our history or values. We should do the same when such impostors emerge within our own party.
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It's all over but the crying. You can always blame Ron Paul.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
The Foreign Policy Initiative (FPI) is a conservative, non-profit, tax-exempt organization... FPI’s Board of Directors consists of Eric Edelman, Robert Kagan, William Kristol, and Dan Senor. It's the same tiny group of Jewish neo-cons who continue to bash Ron Paul because he wants to eliminate U.S. government handouts to every country, including Israel. That's the bottom line. The GOP needs to stop listening to these neo-con, war mongering, assholes.
I was actually set to once again hold my nose and vote for Romney/Ryan. After yesterday the GOP can kiss my ass. I'm voting for Gary Johnson. To hell with the two party fraud, I've had enough of these back stabbing sob's to last a life time. They told grass roots Conservatives to take a hike yesterday, so since they have I'm obliging them and doing so.
Crazy people don't know the difference between possibility - probability ! One is fantasy - evolution - anarchy - paranoia ... the other is design - reality - cause - effect - science --- civilization - mental health - sanity ! Imposing your beliefs - designs on others via govt design - force - even anarchy ... you're a neocom --- is social engineering - fascism ! Ron Paul Supporters ... We 'Have More In Common Than Not' --- With Occupy http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/27/Ron-Paul-Supporters-We-Have- More-In-Common-Than-Not-With-Occupy
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
I also just now called my County Clerk and have requested a voter registration card to be sent to me so that I can change from GOP to Independent. (Not that I'd ever actually vote for a Democrat, but the GOP has told me I'm not needed in their party. I don't like to stay where I'm not wanted).
I like Gary Johnson. The bottom line for me is that Obama has to go. The guy was inspired by communists and he sat in a black liberation church for 20 years listening to the preacher bash whitey and damn America. I can't let my anger at the idiot GOP distract from the fact that Obama is not a normal Democrat. He's a malicious radical who is purposefully trying to shove his perverted view of social justice down our throats. Had Hitlery been elected in 2008, I'd probably be voting for Johnson this year as well. I can't do it with Obama in office. No way. He has to be removed at all costs.
I actually do understand where you are coming from. But at this point for me I still see the choice as being one Fascist for another. And the GOP effectively told we grass roots Conservatives and Tea Party types that we are not needed nor wanted in their "big tent". I will oblige them by leaving.
And I think this pretty much means that a 3rd Party will be formed one way or the other, now whether that will be a good thing or bad thing remains to be seen!!
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
Well, there are several "third parties" now... Libertarian, Constitution, Green, etc. In California the Constitution Party was hijacked by the SPLC, ADL, and Alan Keyes to become the evil AIP (American Independent Party). It seems unlikely that Goode will even be a "registered write-in" in Cali. That takes something like 101,000 signatures. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Constitution-Party-of-California/171941389500617
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
There are a whole bunch of third parties - Constitution, Libertarian, 2 Green parties, multiple communist / socialist / Maoist / Trotsyite parties, etc.. They are all electoral failures. Even a billionaire like Perot couldn't form a successful party. He tried, but the Reform Party soon degenerated into chaos and then broke apart into various splinter groups. America's electoral college and single member Congressional districts are not conducive to more than two parties. If you want to change things, you have to do it from within one of the two parties. It won't be easy, but we made tremendous progress in 2010. We need to sustain that momentum.
Thanks for posting this. It illustrates the problem. Let's say that a whole bunch of people are hacked off at the GOP. Half of them won't vote for Gary Johnson, because he supports abortion and wants to legalize drugs, while the other half won't vote for Goode, because he wants to implement his view (a dispensationalist view) of "biblical law" in the U.S. Both of their appeals are too narrow to attract people who even agree with them most of the time. If the Constitution party would shut up about "biblical law" and the Libertarian party would shut up about recreational drugs, you could merge the parties. The combined party might be important enough to force the GOP to change, in the same way the Socialist Party forced the Democrats to change 100 years ago. But it will never happen because it would require people in these parties to "compromise on their principles".
If this is your plan for saving the USA, you are living in la la land! What happened yesterday is just a foretaste of what is to come--rules. Not only are rules made by the two existing parties, the federal government, of which one or the other control, or of which are in collusion with each other, also make rules that effectively keep them in power, although Perot showed that the 3rd parties can challenge, though the cost financially are very high and the time needed can be lengthy. The rules are all made so that the 'elites' are kept in power over we peons. Do you honestly believe there will ever be another time that the populace will approve of the presidential candidate, ie., Ronald Reagan? The elites will move heaven and hell to prevent such as that.
Oh yes, another bunch of arse-kissers spewing their bullcrap.
Why don't you tell us your plan.
I mean a "viable one" that will actually challenge the other 2... I think they just pissed off a whole lot of their supporters and signed their own death warrant.. Perot didn't have the charisma to pull that one off, he was basically a nobody to the country in general.. I know what you're saying about doing it within one of the two parties and I agree, but I think that just went by the wayside yesterday...
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
Perot had the chops, he got 19% of the vote in 1992. In 2000, Pat Buchanan got control of Perot's Reform Party, their ballot status, and matching funds. The party broke apart and Buchanan barely registered at the polls. Back in the 70s there were three big conservative, direct mail, fundraisers - Richard Viguere, Howard Phillips, and Terry Dolan. They were largely responsible for funding the modern conservative movement. In 1976, Viguere tried to form a party on the ashes of Wallace's racist American Independent Party. It failed. In 1990s Phillips formed the U.S. Taxpayer's Party, which became the Constitution Party. It hasn't succeeded either. Viguere and Phillips were huge, important operatives in the modern conservative movement, with the ability to raise a ton of money. Like Perot and Buchanan, they couldn't pull it off either. Of course, Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party Presidential candidate in 1988. He got 0.4% of the vote. Very credible conservatives have tried the third party route many times in the last 40 years. It hasn't worked.
First off, I've quit digging in the same old hole. No more expecting different results. I've participated in the process by actually running for office on the state level; which mirrors how it goes at the federal level. Holding their feet to the fire? LOL.......how funny can one get! Play by the rules? Yes.....and you have just seen happens with that idea. Why don't all the people who proclaim they are 1) holding their nose and voting for X just in order to get someone out of there, 2) work within the party to make the changes needed, or 3) other compromisers of principle get of their duffs and vote for someone who has remained truer to their principles and their party platform than all the ones who have brought on the disaster this country is in? Novel idea, I'm sure. I'm not lending my name or my vote to the destructive parties. I'm tired of the lesser of two evils. I'm tired of holding feet to fires that never even smell a bit smokey lt alone singe the crap stuck to politicians feet. I'm tired of lie after lie after lie. I'm tired of shifting here, or shifting there just to please people just so you get the job.
You're firing on all cylinders. Well said.
It would have been easier to just say that you don't have any idea how to put the country back on track. You are just pissing and moaning like every one else. I thought so.
Bullshit. You'd rather die than think, as your incessant GOP ring-kissing demonstrates. IDIOT.
Plese continue to vote as you do. There may come a day when you, too, realize whoever you voted for really isn't the least bit concerned about the nation and her peons. All this country needs is another northeasterner or a Texican to make it all 'better'......LOLOLOLOL! Yeah.......right! NOT. Exactly how many times have you known of a president on the right side of the aisle (no need to discuss the left because it would never cross their minds) having had their feet held to the fire--and it made a difference? Oh hell, even if it didn't make a difference? Furthermore, beyond the initial days of the Contract With America group of congresscritters, how many congressmen and right- wing presidents have given a damn about spending? About cutting government? Now we hear the rumblings of getting a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget........and the need for a line item veto. Bullshit (excuse my french but this really pisses me off)........all they need is a little spine and some integrity and willpower to take care of that. They are such cowards and spineless bastasrds (again, excuse my french) that they made a deal regarding the debt limit and cutting, and they're all busy trying to find ways to ignore this or cut deals to undo it. So exactly where is all this holding feet to the fire business to come from? Mad Dog, I ping you to this because I've broken a standard I discussed with you. You may now call me what you proclaimed a while back.
Good for you! Look into Virgil Goode, if you haven't already.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
YES! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 3 times and I'm coming for your hide!
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
Awwwwww, poor little piggy, just can't get anyone to agree with you, huh?
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
That's what all those hard working delegates, tea party and grass roots conservatives were doing and look where it got them. I'm so with you. I cannot take it anymore. The GOP has my contempt every bit as much as the Democrats now. I've called my County Clerk to arrange my permanent divorce from the bastards.
I don't think you understand the ramifications of those rule changes yesterday. Good luck on that now!
Open border baby killer.
Is that what really happened. Or did they just make sure that the people that the voters vote for gets the nomination. Not some bullshit manuevers where someone who didn't get the majority of votes becomes the nominee.
Or did they just make sure that the people that the voters vote for gets the nomination. Get down on your knees, and kiss that ring. Feh.
I understand that you know everything that is wrong. What is your plan to fix it??? What is your solution? Pissing and moaning is NOT a solution.
You got that from Yukon. You are good but buddies.
I was right there with your sentiment in 2004 with Bush. I hated the bastard. In fact, I hated the GOP even more than the Democrats. So I voted for Ralph Nader (of all people) to protest the Iraq war. I still hate the Bush family. They destroyed the Republican Party that Goldwater and Reagan tried to build. When I see people fawning over Jeb Bush, it makes me very concerned. Obama showed me that things can get worse. I like you. I respect you. But, I'm not convinced that you really understand the danger that Obama's anti-American psyche places on American. Barack Obama's entire program is designed to punish the current generation of whites for the sins of America's past. I keep repeating this... his childhood mentor was a communist; he sought out communists in college to befriend; as an adult, he sat in a black liberation church for 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright bash whitey and damn America. I've voted in 8 presidential elections. I voted for the GOP candidate 4 times (one time was a huge mistake). I also voted for independent and third party Presidential candidates 4 times. God dammit. Wake up. We have never seen anything like Obama. This is not Bill Clinton, John Kerry, or Michael Dukakis. For god sakes, this is not even George McGovern. Obama is a malicious interloper, hell bent on punishing us for his grievances of Americans the past. America could cease being America if he is re-elected. Obama is not just a typical power hungry politician. Obama has an a agenda of revenge (which he calls "social justice"). If he gets four more years, there is no more America. Over the past 3 years, 10 BIG American companies have re-incorporated overseas. Smart people are already abandoning America. If Obama is reelected, there is no more America. There is only revenge (social justice).
You want some ideas? l. Eliminate the Dept of Education immediately. 2. Eliminate funding of the Red Cross, Planned Parenthood, AARP, and other NGOs. 3. Reduce defense spending by 10% immediately; and then 7.5% per year over the next 4 years. 4. Have a federal hiring freeze effective immediately. 5. Put a 10% pay reduction in pay in effect for all federal employees, whether elected, hired, or selected--and those making over $100,000 a 15% reduction. 6. Immediately stop using any federal funds for pension plans of anyone in government. 7. Immediatley recind the Obamacare bullcrap. 8.Require every piece of legislation deal with only one topic--no more cramming everything but the kitchen sink into a catch all bill that has 'critical' funding stuck in mongst all the bullcrtrap. 9. Eliminate 50% of the federal work force over 5 years. 10. An immediate top to bottom review of all laws, rules and regulations by those in industries affected by them with the goal being to eliminate all that can possibly be eliminated, perhaps a 50% goal is resonable, or more.. 11. Require ALL federal workers, elected, or appointed or hired to read and then be tested on the content of the Constitution-- annually. 12.Put restrictions on travel expenditures to stop the crap of legislators taking all the junkets they do. Likewise for the president and his minions. 13. When government employees, elected or selected or just hired, do wrong, they are to be prosecuted to the most extrent allowed by law. 14.Disallow a dime of federal monies to be spent for conventions or campaigns of any party. 15. All legislation must be written in layman language--understandable by the average high school graduate. 16. Absolutely refuse to increase the debt eiling!!! Close government down for a week-- everyone ets their vacation whether they want it or not--and not on our dime. There......where's your list? For the record, I don't believe for a minute that they will do anything anywhere close to any one of these.
You mis-understood what I'm asking. I'm not asking for your ideas on what should be cut. What I am really asking is for your plan on how to get an electoral majority in place to make it happen. Pissing and moaning about Ron Paul not getting the GOP nomination is not going to do ANYTHING to improve the situation. It's only going to help re-elect Obama and hasten our demise.
Kook. LOL.
So, you would like the VAs to be under staffed?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
There you go, now you are finally hitting the deep pockets. I say disallow presidential, tax payer funded primaries altogether and have the parties provide candidates selected by their own conventions.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I don't plan to advocate the overthrow of the government, or the assassination of all the congresscowards, if that is what you are after. But frankly, that is about what it is going to take. Thanks to the two-headed single party monster (and that is what it is) has set laws in place, and using each party and the states committees have made it virtually impossible for a third party to form, or I should say participate in the election process to any degree. Its really too bad they tried to take Perot out (and they did) because he had the money to go it on his own...he would have won while the two 'mainstream' idiots tried to knife each other. People were listening to him and he was catching on with people--he wasn't one of the 'good ol boys'...and while rich, he was more like us. That he got back in and took, what, some 18 to 20% +/- of the vote tells a whole lot. I will never be convinced that he wasn't made an offer he couldn't refuse--some folks will not give up their family for power. You may disagree all you want...but the fact remains that we were just witnesses to how the rules are made by the elites--to quash any attempt by the little peons to make 'changes within' the party. They do NOT like changes that they don't initiate. I watched a congressional hearing which played out perfectly how the game is played as it regards the Ds, the Rs, and the rest of us. Not only are there the federal compliance regulations, but there are 50 states, DC and a number of protectorates, or whatever they're called, with their own set of rules. The legal costs for newcomer parties are astronomical. And then what it takes in manpower, expenses, etc., of getting enough signatures (actually a whole lot more than what the rules say because eeryone one of the signatures will be challenged) to qualify. Meet that hoop and then you're excluded from the ruling parties debates, so mainstream America never gets to hear of you and your ideas. And the voters don't have a lot of time to go investigating-- between work, kids, school events, church events, club events, downtime with the family, etc. Sorry. But, as much as we'd like to think everyone loves politics and the process, very few do, and even less understand it. That said, you next see how the media treats candidates---if you weren't the 'chosen' one from either side, you either don't exist, or there are deliberate attempts to paint you as a weirdo, screwball, whacko, halfwit, wifebeater, or sex pervert. Advertising.....sure--after all the legal fees are taken care of? How much times does advertising cost on tv or radio, let alone print in major city newspapers--if they even have them anymore? Sure people can make yard signs--looks like a 2-bit operation and that is how voters would perceive it, and not want to go there. As I said, quit digging in the same old hole--you won't live long enough to effect a change within such a monstrous enemy of the peoople. Instead of trying to convince me or others of the need to hold our noses because the world will end tomorrow.......why not rally the troops to be done with that horsehockey and go a new direction. If the nation dies tomorrow, it won't happen because a lot of people didn't vote for a certain guy over trying to make a real change to the political system for the better. As long as you keep voting the same way, they have the ability to do whatever they want, and we can go to hell.
Are they adequately staffed at present? I've not heard that to be the case. This, however, is another area where I want to see the fedgov honor its committments. And I've advocated for this for a long time now. Under Clinton, when the shutdown came, the head of the VA (Brown??) lamented for the 'staff' rather than the vets themselves....pissed me off royally. But I've been at this since before then. I was told when my husband died I would receive a flag and a pension. I got the pension for a year and told them I didn't need it anymore as the home office business I started and the ranch took off. Within a year they were demanding I return the pension because I had assets! I was essentially called a "VA welare queen"! Only problem is, there were never any places or any times when I was asked about assets! Never. Thank heaven I kept copies of all the papers I filled out for them. I did get a major league apology for their stupidity. However to this day I have not received a flag. I used to have a little flag that I flew all the time; as it started aging I took it down and I refuse to fly one again--unless this country makes a sharp u-turn and heads back to our founding principles.
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#2. To: calcon, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#1)
Gone and soon forgetten
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: calcon (#0)
— Jamie M. Fly is executive director of, and Evan Moore a policy analyst for, the Foreign Policy Initiative.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#4. To: jwpegler (#3)
#5. To: calcon (#0)
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The problem with Paul and his ilk is that so much of their worldview is based on pure fiction.
#6. To: All (#4)
#7. To: SJN (#4)
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"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#8. To: jwpegler (#7)
#9. To: SJN (#8)
And the GOP effectively told we grass roots Conservatives and Tea Party types that we are not needed nor wanted in their "big tent". I will oblige them by leaving.
#10. To: CZ82, SJN (#9)
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this pretty much means that a 3rd Party will be formed one way or the other
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: CZ82 (#9)
And I think this pretty much means that a 3rd Party will be formed one way or the other...
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#12. To: hondo68 (#10)
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"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#13. To: jwpegler (#11)
If you want to change things, you have to do it from within one of the two parties. It won't be easy, but we made tremendous progress in 2010. We need to sustain that momentum.
#14. To: calcon (#0)
#15. To: rowdee (#13)
If this is your plan for saving the USA, you are living in la la land!
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#16. To: jwpegler, hondo68 (#11)
There are a whole bunch of third parties
#17. To: CZ82 (#16)
Perot didn't have the charisma to pull that one off, he was basically a nobody to the country in general..
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#18. To: jwpegler (#15)
#19. To: rowdee (#18)
"I am relying on my personal experience with Morons, which have been universally positive." -jwpegler
#20. To: rowdee (#18)
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#21. To: jwpegler (#20)
I thought so.
"I am relying on my personal experience with Morons, which have been universally positive." -jwpegler
#22. To: jwpegler, Mad Dog (#20)
#23. To: SJN (#4)
I was actually set to once again hold my nose and vote for Romney/Ryan. After yesterday the GOP can kiss my ass.
#24. To: rowdee (#18)
I'm not lending my name or my vote to the destructive parties. I'm tired of the lesser of two evils. I'm tired of holding feet to fires that never even smell a bit smokey lt alone singe the crap stuck to politicians feet. I'm tired of lie after lie after lie. I'm tired of shifting here, or shifting there just to please people just so you get the job.
#25. To: jwpegler (#20)
You are just pissing and moaning like every one else.
#26. To: rowdee (#18)
2) work within the party to make the changes needed,
#27. To: jwpegler (#11)
If you want to change things, you have to do it from within one of the two parties. It won't be easy, but we made tremendous progress in 2010. We need to sustain that momentum.
#28. To: SJN (#4)
I'm voting for Gary Johnson.
#29. To: SJN (#4)
I was actually set to once again hold my nose and vote for Romney/Ryan. After yesterday the GOP can kiss my ass. I'm voting for Gary Johnson. To hell with the two party fraud, I've had enough of these back stabbing sob's to last a life time. They told grass roots Conservatives to take a hike yesterday, so since they have I'm obliging them and doing so.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)
Is that what really happened.
"I am relying on my personal experience with Morons, which have been universally positive." -jwpegler
#31. To: rowdee (#22)
Plese continue to vote as you do.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#32. To: We The People (#25)
piggy
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#33. To: SJN (#26)
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I'm so with you. I cannot take it anymore. The GOP has my contempt every bit as much as the Democrats now.
"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#34. To: jwpegler (#31)
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#35. To: rowdee (#34)
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"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom
#36. To: jwpegler (#35)
...and hasten our demise.
"I am relying on my personal experience with Morons, which have been universally positive." -jwpegler
#37. To: rowdee (#34)
4. Have a federal hiring freeze effective immediately.
#38. To: rowdee (#34)
14.Disallow a dime of federal monies to be spent for conventions or campaigns of any party.
#39. To: jwpegler (#35)
#40. To: mininggold (#37)
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