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Title: Which Babies Should Get the Death Sentence?
Source: Townhall
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp ... _should_get_the_death_sentence
Published: Aug 22, 2012
Author: Terry Jeffrey
Post Date: 2012-08-22 06:43:53 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 15307
Comments: 38

Americans witnessed a remarkable drama this week when some of our most exalted politicians frantically scrambled to reassure voters that they, too, believed that the United States ought to permit the deliberate killing of at least some innocent human beings.

They apparently did so to persuade the public they are caring, compassionate and -- above all -- reasonable people.

The drama started when Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee in the U.S. Senate race in Missouri, expressed his view that no innocent human being ought to be deliberately killed.

However, that was not the only thing Akin expressed.

"What about in the case of rape. Should it (abortion) be legal or not?" Charles Jaco of KTVI in St. Louis asked Akin in an interview broadcast over the weekend.

"Well, you know, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, well, how do you slice this particularly tough ethical question," said Akin. "It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. You know, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."

Akin's answer had two distinct parts. In the first, he made a claim about the physiological likelihood of a rape victim conceiving a child as the result of the criminal act committed against her. In the second, he made a policy statement about whether aborting such a child ought to be permitted.

The first part of Akin's answer was worse than gratuitous. It made a claim he could not back up and did so in language that itself raised questions.

But what about the second part of Akin's statement -- that rapists ought to be punished but not children conceived through rape?

Is this a logical, morally defensible, even laudable and courageous position?

A good place to find the basic premises for conducting that analysis is on the website of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. It includes a statement explaining Romney's position on abortion.

"Mitt Romney is pro-life," says the first sentence of this statement. "Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view," it further says. "Because the good heart of America knows no boundaries, a commitment to protecting life should not stop at the water's edge. Taking innocent life is always wrong and always tragic, wherever it happens," it also says.

"Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us," it concludes. "As president, Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America's values of preserving life at home and abroad."

Now, I have not quoted here every word from Romney's campaign statement on abortion. But the term "rape" does not appear in it anywhere.

So, here is the syllogism a logical person might begin to construct from what Romney's campaign say about Romney's position on abortion: 1) "Life begins at conception," 2) "taking innocent life is always wrong and always tragic, wherever it happens," 3) "Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us," and 4) "Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America's values of preserving life at home and abroad."

Therefore?

Given Romney's premises, what would be the logical position for Romney to take on whether American law should permit the taking of an innocent human life conceived through a rape?

"Gov. Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg told multiple news organizations on Monday.

This has been Romney's position ever since he declared himself pro-life. "I am pro-life," Romney wrote in a July 26, 2005, op-ed in the Boston Globe. "I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape and to save the life of the mother."

So, if abortion is not the "wrong choice" in cases of rape, what kind of choice is it?

Who exactly benefits when the government permits the deliberate killing of an innocent child conceived through rape?

"And in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year cannot be squared with the good heart of America," says the abortion statement on Romney's website.

Do those same consciences think permitting the deliberate killing of some innocent children can be squared with the good heart of America -- as long as it is only certain categories of children, such as those conceived through rape?

Rep. Todd Akin's substantive position that we should protect the right to life even of those conceived through rape -- who are themselves a second victim of that evil act -- is not only in keeping with the good heart of America, it is plain and simply right.

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#7. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Rep. Todd Akin's substantive position that we should protect the right to life even of those conceived through rape.

Actually Akin (and many who claim to be pro-life) have the position that women should not be allowed to decide whether or not they are willing to make the sacrifice to carry to term, a rapists' spawn.

I believe it is each woman's human right to make this decision.

Jameson  posted on  2012-08-22   13:11:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jameson (#7)

Actually Akin (and many who claim to be pro-life) have the position that women should not be allowed to decide whether or not they are willing to make the sacrifice to carry to term, a rapists' spawn.

I believe it is each woman's human right to make this decision.

Hello Jameson. Is that the only instance that you approve of abortion?

Now lets be honest. If abortion is murder. Then if you carry that out to the logical conclusion wouldn't you have to conclude that an abortion in the case of rape is still a taking of innocent life. It would be punishing the kid for the fathers crime. That is what I believe. I know it is asking a lot for a woman to carry a baby that that is there because she is a victim of rape. But killing a baby is also not right. We live in a fallen world and that is some of the consequences of sin. If people obeyed Gods law there wouldn't be any abortions. Then there would be no need for the debate if someone should get an abortion because they were raped. So just because there is sin in the world. Doesn't mean that we have to accept murder as right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-22   20:39:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Is that the only instance that you approve of abortion?

I don't approve of abortion.

However, I also don't think anyone should have the right to make a life or death decision regarding the victim of rape.

right or wrong.... it is the victim's choice, not yours - and not mine.

it's that simple.

Jameson  posted on  2012-08-22   22:50:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jameson (#12)

No woman should have to bear the young of someone who committed such a heinous act of violence against her. I support abortion in instances of incest and rape.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-08-23   0:59:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

I support abortion in instances of incest and rape.

I support the woman's right to decide.

100% and I'll never support anyone who does not.

Jameson  posted on  2012-08-23   20:33:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jameson (#19)

I support the woman's right to decide.

100% and I'll never support anyone who does not.

I think if a woman gets an abortion. She and the abortionist should be shot in the head.

Either that or set up a fake abortion clinic. When the slut comes to kill her baby. Lock her up until she delivers. Then execute the slut for attempted murder.

You lack morals.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-23   20:37:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)

You lack morals.

What hypocrisy!!!

You push your morality, but when it comes to walking the talk, you fold up like a cheap suit.

WRT abortion, ultimately it comes down to the decision of the woman. You cannot force a woman to carry a baby to full term, no matter *what* you think. You can possibly influence, cajole, beg, whatever, but the practical fact is that *your* wishes will never be the only consideration, no matter what you think.

So you can take your righteous attitude, and shove it all up your fat ass.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-23   21:11:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#22)

You support murderers. Noted.

You're part of the problem with America.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-23   21:18:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#23)

You support murderers. Noted.

Really? Where did I SAY that?

Your righteous indignation and false piety don't square with your own actions, stone... You talk the talk, you can't walk it.

You're just another lunatic holy-roller, who hides his shame and internal emptiness by shouting even louder at others about how they are not what you demand.

And let's face it- nobody really gives a shit what you think, especially WRT religion. It's not your business, and you're 'judgement' has all the value of a fart in a high wind.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-24   13:34:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Capitalist Eric (#30)

Really? Where did I SAY that?

WRT abortion, ultimately it comes down to the decision of the woman. You cannot force a woman to carry a baby to full term, no matter *what* you think.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-24   17:48:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Thank you for admitting your mistake.

Now quit trying to put words in my mouth, you moronic hypocrite

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-24   22:43:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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