[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

"Trump Shows Demography Isn’t Destiny"

"Democrats Get a Wake-Up Call about How Unpopular Their Agenda Really Is"

Live Election Map with ticker shows every winner.

Megyn Kelly Joins Trump at His Final PA Rally of 2024 and Explains Why She's Supporting Him

South Carolina Lawmaker at Trump Rally Highlights Story of 3-Year-Old Maddie Hines, Killed by Illegal Alien

GOP Demands Biden, Harris Launch Probe into Twice-Deported Illegal Alien Accused of Killing Grayson Davis

Previously-Deported Illegal Charged With Killing Arkansas Children’s Hospital Nurse in Horror DUI Crash

New Data on Migrant Crime Rates Raises Eyebrows, Alarms

Thousands of 'potentially fraudulent voter registration applications' Uncovered, Stopped in Pennsylvania

Michigan Will Count Ballot of Chinese National Charged with Voting Illegally

"It Did Occur" - Kentucky County Clerk Confirms Voting Booth 'Glitch'' Shifted Trump Votes To Kamala

Legendary Astronaut Buzz Aldrin 'wholeheartedly' Endorses Donald Trump

Liberal Icon Naomi Wolf Endorses Trump: 'He's Being More Inclusive'

(Washed Up Has Been) Singer Joni Mitchell Screams 'F*** Trump' at Hollywood Bowl

"Analysis: The Final State of the Presidential Race"

He’ll, You Pieces of Garbage

The Future of Warfare -- No more martyrdom!

"Kamala’s Inane Talking Points"

"The Harris Campaign Is Testament to the Toxicity of Woke Politics"

Easy Drywall Patch

Israel Preparing NEW Iran Strike? Iran Vows “Unimaginable” Response | Watchman Newscast

In Logansport, Indiana, Kids are Being Pushed Out of Schools After Migrants Swelled County’s Population by 30%: "Everybody else is falling behind"

Exclusive — Bernie Moreno: We Spend $110,000 Per Illegal Migrant Per Year, More than Twice What ‘the Average American Makes’

Florida County: 41 of 45 People Arrested for Looting after Hurricanes Helene and Milton are Noncitizens

Presidential race: Is a Split Ticket the only Answer?

hurricanes and heat waves are Worse

'Backbone of Iran's missile industry' destroyed by IAF strikes on Islamic Republic

Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

IDF raids Hezbollah Radwan Forces underground bases, discovers massive cache of weapons

Gallant: ‘After we strike in Iran,’ the world will understand all of our training

The Atlantic Hit Piece On Trump Is A Psy-Op To Justify Post-Election Violence If Harris Loses

Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas, PIJ terrorists

Judge Aileen Cannon, who tossed Trump's classified docs case, on list of proposed candidates for attorney general

Iran's Assassination Program in Europe: Europe Goes Back to Sleep

Susan Olsen says Brady Bunch revival was cancelled because she’s MAGA.

Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report

Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence.

Tenn. AG reveals ICE released thousands of ‘murderers and rapists’ from detention centers into US streets

Kamala Harris Touts Mass Amnesty Offering Fast-Tracked Citizenship to Nearly Every Illegal Alien in U.S.

Migration Crisis Fueled Rise in Tuberculosis Cases Study Finds

"They’re Going to Try to Kill Trump Again"

"Dems' Attempts at Power Grab Losing Their Grip"

"Restoring a ‘Great Moderation’ in Fiscal Policy"

"As attacks intensify, Trump becomes more popular"

Posting Articles Now Working Here

Another Test

Testing

Kamala Harris, reparations, and guaranteed income

Did Mudboy Slim finally kill this place?

"Why Young Americans Are Not Taught about Evil"


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Opinions/Editorials
See other Opinions/Editorials Articles

Title: Which Babies Should Get the Death Sentence?
Source: Townhall
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp ... _should_get_the_death_sentence
Published: Aug 22, 2012
Author: Terry Jeffrey
Post Date: 2012-08-22 06:43:53 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 15459
Comments: 38

Americans witnessed a remarkable drama this week when some of our most exalted politicians frantically scrambled to reassure voters that they, too, believed that the United States ought to permit the deliberate killing of at least some innocent human beings.

They apparently did so to persuade the public they are caring, compassionate and -- above all -- reasonable people.

The drama started when Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee in the U.S. Senate race in Missouri, expressed his view that no innocent human being ought to be deliberately killed.

However, that was not the only thing Akin expressed.

"What about in the case of rape. Should it (abortion) be legal or not?" Charles Jaco of KTVI in St. Louis asked Akin in an interview broadcast over the weekend.

"Well, you know, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, well, how do you slice this particularly tough ethical question," said Akin. "It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. You know, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."

Akin's answer had two distinct parts. In the first, he made a claim about the physiological likelihood of a rape victim conceiving a child as the result of the criminal act committed against her. In the second, he made a policy statement about whether aborting such a child ought to be permitted.

The first part of Akin's answer was worse than gratuitous. It made a claim he could not back up and did so in language that itself raised questions.

But what about the second part of Akin's statement -- that rapists ought to be punished but not children conceived through rape?

Is this a logical, morally defensible, even laudable and courageous position?

A good place to find the basic premises for conducting that analysis is on the website of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. It includes a statement explaining Romney's position on abortion.

"Mitt Romney is pro-life," says the first sentence of this statement. "Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view," it further says. "Because the good heart of America knows no boundaries, a commitment to protecting life should not stop at the water's edge. Taking innocent life is always wrong and always tragic, wherever it happens," it also says.

"Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us," it concludes. "As president, Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America's values of preserving life at home and abroad."

Now, I have not quoted here every word from Romney's campaign statement on abortion. But the term "rape" does not appear in it anywhere.

So, here is the syllogism a logical person might begin to construct from what Romney's campaign say about Romney's position on abortion: 1) "Life begins at conception," 2) "taking innocent life is always wrong and always tragic, wherever it happens," 3) "Americans have a moral duty to uphold the sanctity of life and protect the weakest, most vulnerable and most innocent among us," and 4) "Mitt will ensure that American laws reflect America's values of preserving life at home and abroad."

Therefore?

Given Romney's premises, what would be the logical position for Romney to take on whether American law should permit the taking of an innocent human life conceived through a rape?

"Gov. Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg told multiple news organizations on Monday.

This has been Romney's position ever since he declared himself pro-life. "I am pro-life," Romney wrote in a July 26, 2005, op-ed in the Boston Globe. "I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape and to save the life of the mother."

So, if abortion is not the "wrong choice" in cases of rape, what kind of choice is it?

Who exactly benefits when the government permits the deliberate killing of an innocent child conceived through rape?

"And in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year cannot be squared with the good heart of America," says the abortion statement on Romney's website.

Do those same consciences think permitting the deliberate killing of some innocent children can be squared with the good heart of America -- as long as it is only certain categories of children, such as those conceived through rape?

Rep. Todd Akin's substantive position that we should protect the right to life even of those conceived through rape -- who are themselves a second victim of that evil act -- is not only in keeping with the good heart of America, it is plain and simply right.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 18.

#7. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Rep. Todd Akin's substantive position that we should protect the right to life even of those conceived through rape.

Actually Akin (and many who claim to be pro-life) have the position that women should not be allowed to decide whether or not they are willing to make the sacrifice to carry to term, a rapists' spawn.

I believe it is each woman's human right to make this decision.

Jameson  posted on  2012-08-22   13:11:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jameson (#7)

Actually Akin (and many who claim to be pro-life) have the position that women should not be allowed to decide whether or not they are willing to make the sacrifice to carry to term, a rapists' spawn.

I believe it is each woman's human right to make this decision.

Hello Jameson. Is that the only instance that you approve of abortion?

Now lets be honest. If abortion is murder. Then if you carry that out to the logical conclusion wouldn't you have to conclude that an abortion in the case of rape is still a taking of innocent life. It would be punishing the kid for the fathers crime. That is what I believe. I know it is asking a lot for a woman to carry a baby that that is there because she is a victim of rape. But killing a baby is also not right. We live in a fallen world and that is some of the consequences of sin. If people obeyed Gods law there wouldn't be any abortions. Then there would be no need for the debate if someone should get an abortion because they were raped. So just because there is sin in the world. Doesn't mean that we have to accept murder as right.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-22   20:39:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Is that the only instance that you approve of abortion?

I don't approve of abortion.

However, I also don't think anyone should have the right to make a life or death decision regarding the victim of rape.

right or wrong.... it is the victim's choice, not yours - and not mine.

it's that simple.

Jameson  posted on  2012-08-22   22:50:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jameson (#12)

No woman should have to bear the young of someone who committed such a heinous act of violence against her. I support abortion in instances of incest and rape.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-08-23   0:59:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

. I support abortion in instances of incest and rape.

I knew you were for abortion. Just like I know you are going to vote for the one that looks like your son.

Liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-23   5:59:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)

"I knew you were for abortion. Just like I know you are going to vote for the one that looks like your son."

Actually, this has always been my position. You just never paid attention to the scores of times I offered it.

A woman is not breeding stock. She is a human being who has a right to have her mental health to be given consideration. If it would be torture and trauma to let a man do this to her, she should definitely have the right to end the pregnancy in the case of rape, or if the pregnancy endangers her life.

All you show here is you never hear anything unless it is what you want to hear. and you have no consideration for anyone but yourself.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-08-23   11:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

Actually, this has always been my position

Your calice disregard for the unborn. I know. It was kind of my point. Mrs Infanticide.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-23   20:10:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 18.

        There are no replies to Comment # 18.


End Trace Mode for Comment # 18.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com