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Title: Romney / Ryan: Why do I Feel so Dirty?
Source: Dissenting Opinons
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... an-why-do-i-feel-so-dirty.html
Published: Aug 13, 2012
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2012-08-13 17:59:34 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 36173
Comments: 88

Over the weekend, Mitt Romney announced that he selected Paul Ryan as his Vice Presidential running mate.

Just about every commentator on the left and right, has hailed this as a bold move.

The left believes Romney made a tragic mistake selecting someone so "radical". The right believes that Romney made the right decision selecting someone so dedicated to "fiscal responsibility".

Both sides are wrong.

Ryan's so-called visionary / radical budget plan won't balance the budget until 2040. We had a balanced budget in 2000, yet the left thinks it's "radical" and the right thinks it's "bold" to wait 28 years to get America's fiscal house in order.

More importantly, during the Bush administration, Ryan was just another big spending politician.

Paul Ryan voted for Medicare Part D (the first new entitlement program since LBJ), No Child Left Behind (the largest federal intrusion into the classroom in history), Bush's two Middle East Wars, and TARP to bail out the Wall Street con artists. To top it off, he helped torpedo Simpson-Bowles, which would have lowered the top personal tax rate to 23% and the top corporate tax rate to 25%.

Of course, Obama / Biden are much worse, with their failed "stimulus", ObamaCare, annual deficits of more than a trillion dollars forever, shutting down energy production in the U.S., crazy left-wing social engineering, and more big government crap being shoved down our throats than ever before.

I've voted in 8 Presidential elections. I voted for the GOP nominee 4 times and I've voted for third party / independent candidates 4 times.

Unfortunately, Obama / Biden are so bad that we really don't have a choice this year. I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again.

But I just feel really dirty doing so.

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#6. To: jwpegler (#0)

I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again.

I will not.

Until enough of us walk away, nothing will change.

We The People  posted on  2012-08-13   19:19:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: We The People (#6) (Edited)

Until enough of us walk away, nothing will change.

More than half of adults regularly don't vote. In some elections, 75% of adults don't vote.

VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything???

How does that work? Please tell us.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-13   20:11:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: jwpegler (#14)

VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything???

How does that work? Please tell us.

I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (say GOP for instance) do you think the GOP would get the hint and start recruiting better candidates??? Or would they just go off and slash their wrists?? :-)...

CZ82  posted on  2012-08-13   21:03:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: CZ82 (#18)

I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (

No offense, but that's a hypothetical question that has no basis in the real world.

As long as there is voting, some people will vote.

As long as some people vote, NOT voting won't send any message because the system will keep pointing to the people who do vote as a confirmation of the system.

It's the difference between the real world and theory.

I live in the real world, where voting is seen as the ultimate expression of popular sovereignty.

So, not voting doesn't mean anything -- it doesn't send any message and it will not change anything.

I want to change something.

Right now, I want to change the President. The ONLY way we can change the President is by voting for Romney.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-16   18:09:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: jwpegler (#48)

As long as some people vote, NOT voting won't send any message because the system will keep pointing to the people who do vote as a confirmation of the system.

Don't you think they keep close tabs on who actually comes out and votes.. I hear all the time about how one side or the other is having reduced voter turnout... Now if nobody voted GOP (lets say) and only half of the normal voters showed up don't you think that would send a message.. That only a few wants a handout but the rest want something better than what the GOP is offering... Now I realize you would have to do this selectively with the worst candidates and not whole hog but it "should" send a message... If it doesn't then I would have to say they are pretty phucking dense...

CZ82  posted on  2012-08-16   20:12:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: CZ82 (#54)

Have you never heard of "apathy"? Thousands don't vote all across the nation. Has it made a difference?

SJN  posted on  2012-08-17   0:12:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: SJN (#56)

Have you never heard of "apathy"? Thousands don't vote all across the nation. Has it made a difference?

Try millions....

Has it made a difference because of the ones who "DO" go and vote religiously??? Sure doesn't look like it to me, we're one or two presidents away from the spinning abyss of the toilet.. And it's because the ones who do vote have never sent them a message like "get better candidates"..... They just keep showing up in the same numbers and keep voting for the same bunch of never will be's and retreads... So what do you think the establishment thinks because of this?? THAT WE "WANT" MORE MODERATES AND RINOs!! which is just exactly the opposite of the truth....

That's the message the voters have sent and the establishment has heard it loud and clear, enjoy the abyss when it comes.... And you better have a good sized stash of Febreeze and vinyl gloves handy!! Because if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd and tastes like a turd it probably is a turd... But they can go ahead and try to pick it up by the clean end and say it's something else, like usual!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-08-17   6:14:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: CZ82 (#57)

Has it made a difference because of the ones who "DO" go and vote religiously??? Sure doesn't look like it to me, we're one or two presidents away from the spinning abyss of the toilet.. And it's because the ones who do vote have never sent them a message like "get better candidates"...

That makes no sense at all. There is no "they" who is going to pick some magical good candidate if we don't vote.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-17   6:47:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#58)

That makes no sense at all. There is no "they" who is going to pick some magical good candidate if we don't vote.

So what you're saying is that you voters "DON'T" think you can send a message to the establishment, do you??

Then why go vote?? Especially if you know it's for some POS??

What message is that sending other than "Here, come and get me I'm all bent over with my pants around my ankles"!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-08-17   7:04:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: CZ82 (#59)

So what you're saying is that you voters "DON'T" think you can send a message to the establishment, do you??

The message you want has been being sent repeatedly for the last 40 plus years. It is the reason we are where we are. Because good people didn't vote.

The establishemtn is never going to pick a good candidate.

The good candidate will come from the grass roots.

We had one pretty good candidate on the ballot this time. Ron Paul.

Did you vote for him? Or do you think he is not good enough?

Romney vs Obama is a no brainer.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-17   7:08:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#60)

The establishemtn is never going to pick a good candidate.

The good candidate will come from the grass roots.

Now how do you plan on getting a grass roots candidate nominated much less elected if the establishment has their delegates in place at the state level!!!

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