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Title: Romney / Ryan: Why do I Feel so Dirty?
Source: Dissenting Opinons
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... an-why-do-i-feel-so-dirty.html
Published: Aug 13, 2012
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2012-08-13 17:59:34 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 37853
Comments: 88

Over the weekend, Mitt Romney announced that he selected Paul Ryan as his Vice Presidential running mate.

Just about every commentator on the left and right, has hailed this as a bold move.

The left believes Romney made a tragic mistake selecting someone so "radical". The right believes that Romney made the right decision selecting someone so dedicated to "fiscal responsibility".

Both sides are wrong.

Ryan's so-called visionary / radical budget plan won't balance the budget until 2040. We had a balanced budget in 2000, yet the left thinks it's "radical" and the right thinks it's "bold" to wait 28 years to get America's fiscal house in order.

More importantly, during the Bush administration, Ryan was just another big spending politician.

Paul Ryan voted for Medicare Part D (the first new entitlement program since LBJ), No Child Left Behind (the largest federal intrusion into the classroom in history), Bush's two Middle East Wars, and TARP to bail out the Wall Street con artists. To top it off, he helped torpedo Simpson-Bowles, which would have lowered the top personal tax rate to 23% and the top corporate tax rate to 25%.

Of course, Obama / Biden are much worse, with their failed "stimulus", ObamaCare, annual deficits of more than a trillion dollars forever, shutting down energy production in the U.S., crazy left-wing social engineering, and more big government crap being shoved down our throats than ever before.

I've voted in 8 Presidential elections. I voted for the GOP nominee 4 times and I've voted for third party / independent candidates 4 times.

Unfortunately, Obama / Biden are so bad that we really don't have a choice this year. I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again.

But I just feel really dirty doing so.

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#6. To: jwpegler (#0)

I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again.

I will not.

Until enough of us walk away, nothing will change.

We The People  posted on  2012-08-13   19:19:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: We The People (#6) (Edited)

Until enough of us walk away, nothing will change.

More than half of adults regularly don't vote. In some elections, 75% of adults don't vote.

VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything???

How does that work? Please tell us.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-13   20:11:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: jwpegler (#14)

VERY serious question: When will NOT voting actually change anything???

How does that work? Please tell us.

I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (say GOP for instance) do you think the GOP would get the hint and start recruiting better candidates??? Or would they just go off and slash their wrists?? :-)...

CZ82  posted on  2012-08-13   21:03:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: CZ82 (#18)

I guess the question is if "nobody" showed up at the booths to vote (

No offense, but that's a hypothetical question that has no basis in the real world.

As long as there is voting, some people will vote.

As long as some people vote, NOT voting won't send any message because the system will keep pointing to the people who do vote as a confirmation of the system.

It's the difference between the real world and theory.

I live in the real world, where voting is seen as the ultimate expression of popular sovereignty.

So, not voting doesn't mean anything -- it doesn't send any message and it will not change anything.

I want to change something.

Right now, I want to change the President. The ONLY way we can change the President is by voting for Romney.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-16   18:09:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: jwpegler (#48)

As long as some people vote, NOT voting won't send any message because the system will keep pointing to the people who do vote as a confirmation of the system.

Don't you think they keep close tabs on who actually comes out and votes.. I hear all the time about how one side or the other is having reduced voter turnout... Now if nobody voted GOP (lets say) and only half of the normal voters showed up don't you think that would send a message.. That only a few wants a handout but the rest want something better than what the GOP is offering... Now I realize you would have to do this selectively with the worst candidates and not whole hog but it "should" send a message... If it doesn't then I would have to say they are pretty phucking dense...

CZ82  posted on  2012-08-16   20:12:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#56. To: CZ82 (#54)

Have you never heard of "apathy"? Thousands don't vote all across the nation. Has it made a difference?

SJN  posted on  2012-08-17 00:12:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: CZ82 (#54)

Now if nobody voted GOP (lets say) and only half of the normal voters showed up don't you think that would send a message

No it wouldn't.

Look at my earlier example of August elections in Michigan on school tax levies. The typical turnout would be 23% (less than half of normal November elections) and they always passed overwhelming.

The low turnouts and lopsided victories for more taxes never send any message. All it did is give us more taxes.

Half of Americans collect government checks today. Another Obama term and that will be up to 60% or more. At that point, we'll might as kiss America goodbye, because the people who collect money from the government vote.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-17 11:19:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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