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Title: Romney / Ryan: Why do I Feel so Dirty?
Source: Dissenting Opinons
URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... an-why-do-i-feel-so-dirty.html
Published: Aug 13, 2012
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2012-08-13 17:59:34 by jwpegler
Keywords: None
Views: 36210
Comments: 88

Over the weekend, Mitt Romney announced that he selected Paul Ryan as his Vice Presidential running mate.

Just about every commentator on the left and right, has hailed this as a bold move.

The left believes Romney made a tragic mistake selecting someone so "radical". The right believes that Romney made the right decision selecting someone so dedicated to "fiscal responsibility".

Both sides are wrong.

Ryan's so-called visionary / radical budget plan won't balance the budget until 2040. We had a balanced budget in 2000, yet the left thinks it's "radical" and the right thinks it's "bold" to wait 28 years to get America's fiscal house in order.

More importantly, during the Bush administration, Ryan was just another big spending politician.

Paul Ryan voted for Medicare Part D (the first new entitlement program since LBJ), No Child Left Behind (the largest federal intrusion into the classroom in history), Bush's two Middle East Wars, and TARP to bail out the Wall Street con artists. To top it off, he helped torpedo Simpson-Bowles, which would have lowered the top personal tax rate to 23% and the top corporate tax rate to 25%.

Of course, Obama / Biden are much worse, with their failed "stimulus", ObamaCare, annual deficits of more than a trillion dollars forever, shutting down energy production in the U.S., crazy left-wing social engineering, and more big government crap being shoved down our throats than ever before.

I've voted in 8 Presidential elections. I voted for the GOP nominee 4 times and I've voted for third party / independent candidates 4 times.

Unfortunately, Obama / Biden are so bad that we really don't have a choice this year. I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again.

But I just feel really dirty doing so.

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#1. To: jwpegler (#0)

Most likely your state is going Obama anyway, might as well vote for someone decent.

Hondo68  posted on  2012-08-13   18:01:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#1)

Most likely your state is going Obama anyway, might as well vote for someone decent.

Washington is almost certainly going to elect a Republican governor (Rob McKenna) this year, for the first time in 32 years. Rob is a good guy and I am wholeheartedly supporting him.

Washington is very fiscally conservative and very socially tolerant.

Reagan won Washington in 1980 and 1984.

Neither Romney or Ryan are known as extreme social conservatives.

Given the lousy economy, it's still improbable, but not impossible to think that a strong national GOP tide could sweep Washington this year.

So, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Romney / Ryan. There is no other choice.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-13   18:57:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler (#3)

There is no other choice.

SURE there is.

You're just too much of a coward to admit that.

And THAT is why you feel "dirty."

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-13   19:14:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#5)

If it is all the same anyway and wont make any difference. Then why not vote Romney if for no other reason then to hurt Obamas ego. And to send the message that there are one term presidents.

Obama can't be influenced by public opinion.

Romney can be pushed. His finger is in the wind. If pressure is kept up. Romney can be pushed in your direction. If people who think like you are numerous enough.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-08-13   23:47:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#23)

f it is all the same anyway and wont make any difference. Then why not vote Romney if for no other reason then to hurt Obamas ego. And to send the message that there are one term presidents.

Hmm. Interesting take.

The simple answer for me, though, is really simple: voting for "the lesser of two evils" gives tacit *approval* of evil.

To that, I REFUSE. And so should ALL men with moral courage.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-14   10:09:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)

To that, I REFUSE. And so should ALL men with moral courage.

I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause. Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage". You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.

SJN  posted on  2012-08-14   10:50:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: SJN (#30)

I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause. Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage". You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.

100% correct.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" -- Edmund Burke

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-16   18:13:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: jwpegler (#49)

SJN: I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause. Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage". You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.

jw: 100% correct.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" -- Edmund Burke

What crap.

Claire Wolfe stated it best:

The only way we're going to get off this road to Hell is if we jump off. If we, personally, as individuals, refuse to cooperate with evil. How we do that is up to each of us. I can't decide for you, nor you for me. (Unlike congresspeople, who think they can decide for everybody.)

But this totalitarian runaway truck is never going to stop unless we stop it, in any way we can. Stopping it might include any number of things: tax resistance; public civil disobedience; wide-scale, silent non-cooperation; highly noisy non-cooperation; boycotts; secession efforts; monkey wrenching; computer hacking; dirty tricks against government agents; public shunning of employees of abusive government agencies; alternative, self-sufficient communities that provide their own medical care and utilities.

Your belief that by refusing to cooperate with the rigged game is doing "nothing." Your beliefs are demonstrably false, as I have shown time and again.

Only when a man lacks moral courage, when he has surrendered his freedom and his integrity, will he allow himself to participate the illusion of freedom, rather than freedom itself. He'll mouth the appropriate platitudes, and thereafter attack those who have not yielded to their fears, cursing and condemning them, because they remind him of what he once was, and is no more... -CAPITALIST ERIC

Keep mouthing those empty platitudes, to justify your lack of courage...

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-16   18:47:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Capitalist Eric, CZ82, SJN, All (#50)

Here is a hypothetical for you:

Let's suppose that most people who pay taxes stop voting.

What would be the result?

Only government employees and other recipients of government handouts will vote.

I saw this when I grew up in Michigan. It's called a school tax levy in August, when most people are on vacation, but school teachers have nothing better to do than vote.

As long as government employees and welfare recipients show up to vote, NOT voting will have a NEGATIVE IMPACT.

You are living in a DREAM WORLD if you think that government bureaucrats are going to stop voting,

jwpegler  posted on  2012-08-16   19:09:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#53. To: jwpegler (#52)

Here is a hypothetical for you:

Pass.

I'm not interested in "hypothetical" situations.

I'm interested in reality and TRUTH, wherever they lay.

Talk about data. Talk about FACT.

Leave the "hypothetical" situations for undergrad communists who don't have anything between their ears...

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-08-16 19:58:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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