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Title: Romney / Ryan: Why do I Feel so Dirty?
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URL Source: http://jwpegler.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... an-why-do-i-feel-so-dirty.html
Published: Aug 13, 2012
Author: jwpegler
Post Date: 2012-08-13 17:59:34 by jwpegler
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Views: 36179
Comments: 88
Over the weekend, Mitt Romney announced that he selected Paul Ryan as his Vice Presidential running mate. Just about every commentator on the left and right, has hailed this as a bold move. The left believes Romney made a tragic mistake selecting someone so "radical". The right believes that Romney made the right decision selecting someone so dedicated to "fiscal responsibility". Both sides are wrong. Ryan's so-called visionary / radical budget plan won't balance the budget until 2040. We had a balanced budget in 2000, yet the left thinks it's "radical" and the right thinks it's "bold" to wait 28 years to get America's fiscal house in order. More importantly, during the Bush administration, Ryan was just another big spending politician. Paul Ryan voted for Medicare Part D (the first new entitlement program since LBJ), No Child Left Behind (the largest federal intrusion into the classroom in history), Bush's two Middle East Wars, and TARP to bail out the Wall Street con artists. To top it off, he helped torpedo Simpson-Bowles, which would have lowered the top personal tax rate to 23% and the top corporate tax rate to 25%. Of course, Obama / Biden are much worse, with their failed "stimulus", ObamaCare, annual deficits of more than a trillion dollars forever, shutting down energy production in the U.S., crazy left-wing social engineering, and more big government crap being shoved down our throats than ever before. I've voted in 8 Presidential elections. I voted for the GOP nominee 4 times and I've voted for third party / independent candidates 4 times. Unfortunately, Obama / Biden are so bad that we really don't have a choice this year. I will be holding my nose while I cast my vote for the lessor of two evils once again. But I just feel really dirty doing so.
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#1. To: jwpegler (#0)
Most likely your state is going Obama anyway, might as well vote for someone decent.
Washington is almost certainly going to elect a Republican governor (Rob McKenna) this year, for the first time in 32 years. Rob is a good guy and I am wholeheartedly supporting him. Washington is very fiscally conservative and very socially tolerant. Reagan won Washington in 1980 and 1984. Neither Romney or Ryan are known as extreme social conservatives. Given the lousy economy, it's still improbable, but not impossible to think that a strong national GOP tide could sweep Washington this year. So, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Romney / Ryan. There is no other choice.
SURE there is. You're just too much of a coward to admit that. And THAT is why you feel "dirty."
If it is all the same anyway and wont make any difference. Then why not vote Romney if for no other reason then to hurt Obamas ego. And to send the message that there are one term presidents. Obama can't be influenced by public opinion. Romney can be pushed. His finger is in the wind. If pressure is kept up. Romney can be pushed in your direction. If people who think like you are numerous enough.
Hmm. Interesting take. The simple answer for me, though, is really simple: voting for "the lesser of two evils" gives tacit *approval* of evil. To that, I REFUSE. And so should ALL men with moral courage.
I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause. Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage". You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
You contradict yourself. In my case, I am fighting for my cause. I will NOT, however, fight or in any way support those that are in opposition to my cause- which is exactly what you preach. You've no idea what moral courage is, as your contradiction in the first sentence aptly demonstrates. You're merely another sheeple, following along with the latest iteration of group-think. "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD??? SHOW me such men (and women), and than you'll have a point. Until then....? Well, keep chewing your cud.
So your "moral courage" is sitting on your hands while others at the local, state and national level are working to get those men and women in office who DO have the qualities you're bloviating about. Sorry, not buying your argument in the least. You are just another apathetic citizen who talks all moral outrage and then does nothing.
#38. To: SJN (#32)
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A quote from Claire Wolfe best applies, here: And because of increasingly draconian penalties and electronic tracking mechanisms, our "lawbreaking" places us and our families in greater jeopardy every day. The question is: What are we going to do about it? Write a nice, polite letter to your congressperson? Hey, if you think that'll help, I've got a bridge you might be interested in buying. (And it isn't your "bridge to the future," either.) Vote "better people" into office? Oh yeah, that's what we thought we were doing in 1994. Work to fight one bad bill or another? Okay. What will you do about the 10 or 20 or 100 equally horrible bills that will be passed behind your back while you were fighting that little battle? And let's say you defeat a nightmare bill this year. What are you going to do when they sneak it back in, at the very last minute, in some "omnibus legislation" next year? And what about the horrors you don't even learn about until two or three years after they become law? Should you try fighting these laws in the courts? Where do you find the resources? Where do you find a judge who doesn't have a vested interest in bigger, more powerful government? And again, for every one case decided in favor of freedom, what do you do about the 10, 20 or 100 in which the courts decide against the Bill of Rights? Perhaps you'd consider trying to stop the onrush of these horrors with a constitutional amendment--maybe one that bans "omnibus" bills, requires that every law meet a constitutional test or requires all congresspeople to sign statements that they've read and understood every aspect of every bill on which they vote. Good luck! Good luck, first, on getting such an amendment passed. Then good luck getting our Constitution-scorning "leaders" to obey it. It is true that liberty requires eternal vigilance, and part of that vigilance has been, traditionally, keeping a watchful eye on laws and on lawbreaking lawmakers. But given the current pace of law spewing and unconstitutional regulation-writing, you could watch, plead and struggle "within the system" 24 hours a day for your entire life and end up infinitely less free than when you began. Why throw your life away on a futile effort? Face it. If "working within the system" could halt tyranny, the tyrants would outlaw it. Why do you think they encourage you to vote, to write letters, to talk to them in public forums? It's to divert your energies. To keep you tame. "The system" as it presently exists is nothing but a rat maze. You run around thinking you're getting somewhere. Your masters occasionally reward you with a little pellet that encourages you to believe you're accomplishing something. And in the meantime, you are as much their property and their pawn as if you were a slave. In the effort of fighting them on their terms and with their authorized and approved tools, you have given your life's energy to them as surely as if you were toiling in their cotton fields, under the lash of their overseer. The only way we're going to get off this road to Hell is if we jump off. If we, personally, as individuals, refuse to cooperate with evil. How we do that is up to each of us. I can't decide for you, nor you for me. (Unlike congresspeople, who think they can decide for everybody.) But this totalitarian runaway truck is never going to stop unless we stop it, in any way we can. Stopping it might include any number of things: tax resistance; public civil disobedience; wide-scale, silent non-cooperation; highly noisy non-cooperation; boycotts; secession efforts; monkey wrenching; computer hacking; dirty tricks against government agents; public shunning of employees of abusive government agencies; alternative, self-sufficient communities that provide their own medical care and utilities. There are thousands of avenues to take, and this is something most of still need to give more thought to before we can build an effective resistance. We will each choose the courses that are right for our own circumstances, personalities and beliefs. Whatever we do, though, we must remember that we are all, already, outlaws. Not one of us can be certain of getting through a single day without violating some law or regulation we've never even heard of. We are all guilty in the eyes of today's "law." If someone in power chooses to target us, we can all, already, be prosecuted for something. And I'm sure you know that your claims of "good intentions" won't protect you, as the similar claims of politicians protect them. Politicians are above the law. YOU are under it. Crushed under it. When you look at it that way, we have little left to lose by breakings laws creatively and purposefully. Yes, some of us will suffer horrible consequences for our lawbreaking. It is very risky to actively resist unbridled power. It is especially risky to go public with resistance (unless hundreds of thousands publicly join us), and it becomes riskier the closer we get to tyranny. For that reason, among many others, I would never recommend any particular course of action to anyone--and I hope you'll think twice before taking "advice" from anybody about things that could jeopardize your life or well-being. But if we don't resist in the best ways we know how--and if a good number of us don't resist loudly and publicly--all of us will suffer the much worse consequences of living under total oppression. And whatever courses of action we choose, we must remember that this legislative "revolution" against We the People will not be stopped by politeness. It will not be stopped by requests. It will not be stopped by "working within a system" governed by those who regard us as nothing but cattle. It will not be stopped by pleading for justice from those who will resort to any degree of trickery or violence to rule us. It will not be stopped unless we are willing to risk our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honors to stop it. I think of the words of Winston Churchill: "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." You still believe in the integrity of the system, even when all evidence shows that the system is utterly broken. Even when confronted with the fact that o'Bungler and mcRomneyStain are both bought-and-paid-for by the same people, despite the fact that they both lie 84% of the time (as documented on another thread at this forum), you still believe there is a difference. You actively choose orthodoxy over truth. So sorry, but you mistake your blind faith as fact, and objective, demonstrable fact as an "argument" than you can simply dismiss. You choose orthodoxy over truth. My current actions- noncooperation with the police-state, and boycotting the Kabuki theater we laughably refer to as "elections"- carry more weight, than stupidly following the same tired script, over and over, while nothing really changes. I follow the truth. You adhere to orthodoxy, and ignore the truth. "The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." - Morpheus, "The Matrix" I feel sorry for you... I really do. Despite all your proclamations, you absolutely refuse to think... You will eventually find that official orthodoxy has nothing to do with truth. And when you do learn the truth, the price you pay will be... severe. Pity. BTW, you said: What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD??? SHOW me such men (and women), and than you'll have a point. Since you think you're so sharp, why don't you ANSWER me???
What fight is THAT? With WHO? Who are the ENEMIES? Who are the PATRIOTS? Where are the "candidates" that aren't merely deemed "electable," but have HONOR and INTEGRITY, and stand by their WORD???
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#3. To: hondo68 (#1)
Most likely your state is going Obama anyway, might as well vote for someone decent.
#5. To: jwpegler (#3)
There is no other choice.
#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#5)
#29. To: A K A Stone (#23)
f it is all the same anyway and wont make any difference. Then why not vote Romney if for no other reason then to hurt Obamas ego. And to send the message that there are one term presidents.
#30. To: Capitalist Eric (#29)
To that, I REFUSE. And so should ALL men with moral courage.
#31. To: SJN (#30)
I disagree, all men with moral courage should be in the arena fighting for their cause.
Sitting out with your so called "moral courage" is anathema to "moral courage".
-Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
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#32. To: Capitalist Eric (#31)
Replies to Comment # 32. We are no longer law-abiding citizens. We have lost our law-abiding status. There are simply too many laws to abide.
Sorry, not buying your argument in the least.
You are just another apathetic citizen who talks all moral outrage and then does nothing.
You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
#39. To: SJN (#32)
You're just putting the onerous on others to do the dirty work it takes, which is to engage in the fight.
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